Michelle Young Murder 4-23 - 4/29

[annalyzer]

Let's continue our discussion without insults please.

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]Let's continue our discussion without insults please. [/*]

Yesterday's prediction of an indictment by day's end didn't come true. No real news on this case in quite some time. I still don't believe it's because the media are keeping quiet at the request of LE. In my experience, that's not how it works.

Originally posted by june1943 [*]

I don't believe it either. I think if LE ask NCWanted to remove something it was because it wasn't a fact. If LE told them it wasn't a fact then they couldn't in good conscience report it. IMO [/*]

Did NC Wanted remove or change something? They already play pretty loose with professional code of ethics. If they did, it was more likely because their lawyers told them to do so.

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

Yesterday's prediction of an indictment by day's end didn't come true. No real news on this case in quite some time. I still don't believe it's because the media are keeping quiet at the request of LE. In my experience, that's not how it works. [/*]

Various LE have asked the press not to publish specific infomation (like the cause of death, or the murder weapon used) that they are holding as an ace up their sleeve but have never requested the media to not report 'all they know'.

Ridiculous.

Originally posted by alter ego [*]
Various LE have asked the press not to publish specific infomation (like the cause of death, or the murder weapon used) that they are holding as an ace up their sleeve but have never requested the media to not report 'all they know'.

Ridiculous. [/*]

It also makes no sense whatsoever. Why even tell the media if the goal is to keep it secret from the public? The reality is, the media is under no obligation to honor such a request. The public's right to know trumps all of it.

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE [*]What ever give the JDI the idea the GJ was going to be hearing anything on Michelle Young`s death? From reading other boards you would have thought someone was handing them inside information. Imaginations were running wild. I was sure the news channels were going to have to interrupt election results for a car chase.
O/T but I hope everyone by now knows that Cynthia Sommors has been released and the DA has announced NO charges will be refiled. [/*]

Somebody has to be pretty gullible to really believe LE is giving secrets to the media and the media are only sharing those secrets with posters on message boards rather than the audience they are paid to keep informed.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]Let's continue our discussion without insults please. [/*]

Hi Hi C, Miss Mandy and June...

How long do you think before this officially does become a cold case?

I gave up long ago on any inside Board tips or predictions.

Nothing anyone said has come true.
Going for 18 months soon.



Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943 [*]

I don't believe it either. I think if LE ask NCWanted to remove something it was because it wasn't a fact. If LE told them it wasn't a fact then they couldn't in good conscience report it. IMO [/*]

Which is why I can't understand why someone posted that they know for a fact L E had the 911 tape enhanced by a professional.

I would hope anyone involved in solving this case is a professional in their field.

I hope the tape was played, replayed and sent out to experts .

Why wouldn't it be?

It is part of the case.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

Somebody has to be pretty gullible to really believe LE is giving secrets to the media and the media are only sharing those secrets with posters on message boards rather than the audience they are paid to keep informed. [/*]

Well, there have been some things reported wrong about the case, such as the embezzlment charges that were going to be brought against the child's aunt.

I know sometimes the media can ask for things off the record, but that would also be dangerous to the integrity of the case.

I am sure everyone covering the case wants the scoop when news , if ever there is any, breaks.

Not looking good though.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE [*]
Hi Kat,I hope it will not have to go in the files. I was hoping with SBI coming in maybe they would look at evidence that Sheriff Donnie`s boys wanted to ignore. It would prove very embarrassing for his department if evidence they knew was possibly exculpatory to Jason was never sent to lab. I watched from a far while the board went into melt down yesterday. Saw it coming. Maybe we can keep it open by ignoring those who only want to argue. HC [/*]

I don't know how long a case can go on exactly, before becoming cold.
I know the last report we had, the sheriff insisted it would not go cold.

I have no intentions of arguing with anyone, there is an old Message Board trick, just keep a supply of rubberbands on your desk and shoot them at the monitor. !!

Works every time!!



Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE [*]And that is a fact....Lots of things reported about this case,I sometimes wonder if it is deliberate to keep the real murderer out of sight. [/*]

Looks like in the beginning, the media was not afraid to print all the things that made Jason look bad or guilty.

But then there was never any confirmation or denial on those stories.

We were left to believe that because it was printed, it was true.
It does not work that way.

Blood spots in car, yes , no?

Hair in hand? Human, female, male, animal or doll.?

Murder weapon?
Something the killer(s) brought with them, or something found in the home that was picked up , that proves this was not planned or pre~med...




Kat

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]

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Murder weapon?
Something the killer(s) brought with them, or something found in the home that was picked up , that proves this was not planned or pre~med...




Kat [/*]

The fact that Michelle was struck repeatedly after a failed strangulation attempt would be proof of premeditation, I would think. Maybe Frank will weigh in.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by june1943 [*]

I don't think it was premeditated. I think who ever killed Michelle came to talk to her. They got into a fight and they choked her. Maybe after the choking Michelle told them they were gonna pay big time of that. Then rage set in and they beat and beat her. [/*]

Whoever did it was strong. It would take an awfully big force to knock someone's teeth out like that. And a lot of hate.

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]

Whoever did it was strong. It would take an awfully big force to knock someone's teeth out like that. And a lot of hate. [/*]

I don't believe swinging a weapon at a soft target requires a lot of strength. I also don't believe the animal responsible for this crime is capable of emotion other than hate.

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]

Whoever did it was strong. It would take an awfully big force to knock someone's teeth out like that. And a lot of hate. [/*]

I agree it was hate fueled - I just can't imagine how someone is strong enough to hit that hard but not strong enough to strangle.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

I don't believe swinging a weapon at a soft target requires a lot of strength. I also don't believe the animal responsible for this crime is capable of emotion other than hate. [/*]

Yeah you're probably right. Now that I think about it I know how much damage I can do to a piece of wood when trying to chop it with an axe.

Originally posted by june1943 [*]

I don't think it was premeditated. I think who ever killed Michelle came to talk to her. They got into a fight and they choked her. Maybe after the choking Michelle told them they were gonna pay big time of that. Then rage set in and they beat and beat her. [/*]

Premeditation can form in a matter of seconds.

I don't think Michelle said anything that sparked rage - I think the inability to strangle her sparked a deep seated hate that resulted in BFT.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943 [*]

I don't think it was premeditated. I think who ever killed Michelle came to talk to her. They got into a fight and they choked her. Maybe after the choking Michelle told them they were gonna pay big time of that. Then rage set in and they beat and beat her. [/*]

Hi June.

This is exactly my thoughts too.

And with the rage came panic.

Panic of being caught and going to jail.

The rage could have even come from blaming Michelle for having to kill her so she couldn't talk.

I really believe none of this was supposed to happen.

Kat

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE [*] Because anger has increased if Michelle was fighting back and the longer the fight the more Adrenalin released,then fright and more Adrenalin,every strike become more physical. IMO [/*]

I had considered an adrenaline rush, but that typically is a short burst that leaves the person aching and sore if they perform heavy physical activity - I didn't think it would sustain the energy required for the force seen in this murder.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego [*]Premeditation can form in a matter of seconds.

I don't think Michelle said anything that sparked rage - I think the inability to strangle her sparked a deep seated hate that resulted in BFT. [/*]

Hi Alter.

BFT means...................??

Kat

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]

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I really believe none of this was supposed to happen.

Kat [/*]

what do you believe was supposed to happen?

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]

Hi Alter.

BFT means...................??

Kat [/*]

hiya Kat

BFT = Blunt Force Trauma

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego [*]what do you believe was supposed to happen? [/*]

I always thought it was a fight that got way out of hand.

Resentment , jealousy from someone who knew her.

Or, someone who had been watching the home, thought they could break in , take a few things, get out , but got caught.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego [*]hiya Kat

BFT = Blunt Force Trauma [/*]

Thanx, Alter!!

Hi C, you made a great point.
A fantastic point, actually.

If L E thought this was like you say an open and shut case against Jason, you can see why the failure to do some things that they thought were unnecessary were not done.

Like the s/a exam.

They didn't feel like they needed to do anything extra except maybe get some fingerprints checked, so they could eliminate any prints they found that did not match.

When I read the house was a crime scene for almost 2 weeks, it makes you wonder what they were doing in there all that time.

Then at some later date, when the case against Jason failed to materialize as they thought, there was a big probem trying to go back and start over.

New investigators were brought in...we know that.

I have always said that something either at the crime scene cleared Jason completely or something was found that made it physically impossible for him to have been back in Raleigh that nite.

Something saved him from taking the blame.


Kat

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]

I always thought it was a fight that got way out of hand.

Resentment , jealousy from someone who knew her.

Or, someone who had been watching the home, thought they could break in , take a few things, get out , but got caught.

Kat [/*]

Was the upstairs ransacked or was that report on NG another one of her bloopers?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego [*]
Was the upstairs ransacked or was that report on NG another one of her bloopers? [/*]

The crime scene was described as having a struggle took place, and I remember reading about a messy closet, but I have no link to that.

If Michelle had money in her purse and they took it, how can anyone say she was not robbed?

Or if they kept money in the home?

Then, of course, the rings no one can answer for.

Kat

Originally posted by alter ego [*]
Was the upstairs ransacked or was that report on NG another one of her bloopers? [/*]

I heard it certainly looked ransacked to those who saw it after it was first released as a crime scene. Which made Meredith's comment that it~didn't look as it usually did~ an incredible understatement to those who saw it and also listened to the 911 call.

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]


Thanx, Alter!!

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Something saved him from taking the blame.


Kat [/*]

Anytime!

Or nothing conclusively included or excluded him.

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]

The crime scene was described as having a struggle took place, and I remember reading about a messy closet, but I have no link to that.

If Michelle had money in her purse and they took it, how can anyone say she was not robbed?

Or if they kept money in the home?

Then, of course, the rings no one can answer for.

Kat [/*]

I think the ransacking was done in an attempt to make the killing appear random. If the Youngs had previously phoned 911 after hearing noises there is probably a good chance they discussed it with others. That knowledge plus knowledge that Jason was going on a business trip created a perfect opportunity for the killer to commit the crime and implicate someone else. So far, that's exactly what has happened.

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

I heard it certainly looked ransacked to those who saw it after it was first released as a crime scene. Which made Meredith's comment that it~didn't look as it usually did~ an incredible understatement to those who saw it and also listened to the 911 call. [/*]

Especially when she first says there is blood everywhere.

Originally posted by alter ego [*]Especially when she first says there is blood everywhere. [/*]

Yet another contradiction. No child's bloody footprints were everywhere and I think the blood was totally confined to the bedroom. Mighty neat killer.

[jerzeegirl]

i dont believe he carried gas cans in his car because my theory is that this wasnt premeditated. But he could have stopped for gas and didnt save that specific receipt. No receipt, no proof. Just a theory.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by jerzeegirl [*]i dont believe he carried gas cans in his car because my theory is that this wasnt premeditated. But he could have stopped for gas and didnt save that specific receipt. No receipt, no proof. Just a theory. [/*]

If Jason is the killer and it wasn't premeditated he did a damn good job of avoiding detection for 18 months.

Originally posted by jerzeegirl [*]i dont believe he carried gas cans in his car because my theory is that this wasnt premeditated. But he could have stopped for gas and didnt save that specific receipt. No receipt, no proof. Just a theory. [/*]

Sounds possible but surely by now LE has had plenty of time to canvas gas stations along the route.

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]

If Jason is the killer and it wasn't premeditated he did a damn good job of avoiding detection for 18 months. [/*]

i agree, exactly the reason why im so on the fence about this. Could he have committed the perfect crime? Wouldnt be the first person to commit a crime and not get caught, as everyone knows, so many unsolved cases out there. But who knows, at this point anyone could have done this. I know where i was that night.......

Originally posted by jerzeegirl [*]

i agree, exactly the reason why im so on the fence about this. Could he have committed the perfect crime? Wouldnt be the first person to commit a crime and not get caught, as everyone knows, so many unsolved cases out there. But who knows, at this point anyone could have done this. I know where i was that night....... [/*]

Not just anyone could have done this crime, imo. There are two elements that the killer apparently knew and one of them was that Jason was out of town. The other was that Michelle owned expensive jewelry. That narrows the pool of potential killers considerably.

Either JY had the opportunity to commit the crime or he did not. After 17 months, if that puzzle piece can't be fit to Jason no matter how LE twists and turns it, they have to move on to another theory and I think they have.

[awareness]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

Not just anyone could have done this crime, imo. There are two elements that the killer apparently knew and one of them was that Jason was out of town. The other was that Michelle owned expensive jewelry. That narrows the pool of potential killers considerably.

Either JY had the opportunity to commit the crime or he did not. After 17 months, if that puzzle piece can't be fit to Jason no matter how LE twists and turns it, they have to move on to another theory and I think they have. [/*]

I still feel they are focusing on Jason, but that's JMO.

It'll be interesting to see where the future of this investigation goes, if anywhere. Some people within the last few weeks have said there's pending news, or grand jury investigation - but so far I haven't seen any links verifying that.

JMO/IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

Sounds possible but surely by now LE has had plenty of time to canvas gas stations along the route. [/*]

Hi Mandy.......
I would think or at least hope that every single possible gas station on his path or even off the beaten path was visited by
L E.......with a photo of Jason.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by awareness [*]

I still feel they are focusing on Jason, but that's JMO.

It'll be interesting to see where the future of this investigation goes, if anywhere. Some people within the last few weeks have said there's pending news, or grand jury investigation - but so far I haven't seen any links verifying that.

JMO/IMO [/*]

There is nothing going on at least until the GJ meets again in 2 weeks, unless for some reason they can bypass that process.

I think it is nothing but wishing thinking on some posters parts, that Jason will be arrested. Ever.

It scares me that some are out for his blood. with what we know now.

Show me his fingerprints on Michelle's neck, or someone who saw him back in Raleigh.

Better yet, show me a motive.

Kat

Originally posted by awareness [*]

I still feel they are focusing on Jason, but that's JMO.

It'll be interesting to see where the future of this investigation goes, if anywhere. Some people within the last few weeks have said there's pending news, or grand jury investigation - but so far I haven't seen any links verifying that.

JMO/IMO [/*]

They very well could be focused on Jason but at this point but if they are, I don't believe they are focused on Jason only. They can't be. There's been plenty of time to determine whether he had opportunity or not to be physically in Raleigh at the time of the murder.