Daily Thread 4/23, 24, & 25

[LLaFren]

So we can keep up with todays events.

[LLaFren]

Anybody else catch this?

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4694487&page=1

About halfway down the article:

Can the DNA gathered this week be used in a later criminal prosecution of, say, an adult accused of raping an underage girl?

Probably so. The issue would be whether DNA obtained in the child-protection process (a civil proceeding) could be used in a criminal proceeding, which implicates the constitutional protections against self-incrimination and an illegal search and seizure.


Giving DNA is not like giving testimony, so there is probably no issue of self-incrimination. Gathering DNA is like conducting a search, but it's being done under a court order issued after a hearing, so any argument that the search lacked probable cause and was illegal would be weak.

How many dads are going to disappear into the woodwork now?

[LLaFren]

Pretty good video:

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4677613

(I hope I did that right)

LL

[KatyDid]

http://wtop.com/index.php?nid=104&pi...1380892&page=2

Texas officials try to determine polygamist family ties
April 22, 2008 - 8:12am

The judge also asked the attorneys to look for a Mormon volunteer to help watch over twice-daily prayers after attorneys for the women who remain with young children at the coliseum complained they weren't given enough freedom to hold their usual prayer service. CPS has said it has no intention of infringing on their religious rights but wants to be sure the women aren't conspiring to tamper with witnesses in the custody case.

[lotty]

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/DS/Warren_...g_For_Zion.mp3

"Yearning For Zion" the song by Warren Jeffs.

I hope this link works for anyone wanting to listen to the song.
Make up your own minds.

IMO it really got on my nerves...not the words, sometimes I can't understand what the man is singing.

[tisamystery]

better start another thread. Wrong date. It'll get confusing.

[tisamystery]

Okay. 4/22 started. We'll come back here tomorrow.

[LLaFren]

sorry, days get ahead of themselves....

I have a time machine in my basement (I live in FL anybody interested in real estate here?)

[spageddy]

ok, it's today now.
(at least I think it is) I watched clips of the children being taken away on busses. They were all waving. Who were they waving to?I was under the impression that their parents were not there. I couldn't see the faces of the children but it looked like happy waving to me. I have no basis for saying this- just a gut feeling. Maybe wishful thinking. Did anyone else get the impression that the children may have been enjoying themselves? Maybe a bus ride is big fun for kids who have not seen much of the world outside of their ranch.Lets hope.

[txsage]

All I can think is "Culture Shock"!!! Bless them......peace and Hope for recovery. They will need intense therapy!

Could be they were waving to the people who've been taking care of them for the past several days. Glad to hear they look happy.

[cloe23]

Morning All!

I need to get caught up here on these links. Thanks to all who have posted information for all of us to read.
Cloe

[lotty]

Originally posted by cloe23 [*]Morning All!

I need to get caught up here on these links. Thanks to all who have posted information for all of us to read.
Cloe [/*]

Good Morning All!

[cloe23]

Originally posted by txsage [*]All I can think is "Culture Shock"!!! Bless them......peace and Hope for recovery. They will need intense therapy! [/*]

All I can think is rehab! The feeling you get when your down and out and are being told over and over by persons who care that things are going to be ok. Yes their happy and eager their finally getting the help that they deserve. Otherwise known to me as deprogramming.
Someone has mentioned pet's before, I think that is would be so sweet for these kids. Pets are so loyal.

[cloe23]

Originally posted by lotty [*]

Good Morning All! [/*]

Go Texas! Rock on........

Originally posted by cloe23 [*]

All I can think is rehab! The feeling you get when your down and out and are being told over and over by persons who care that things are going to be ok. Yes their happy and eager their finally getting the help that they deserve. Otherwise known to me as deprogramming.
Someone has mentioned pet's before, I think that is would be so sweet for these kids. Pets are so loyal. [/*]

I'd be VERY careful putting those kids with pets... They've never had pets, so they don't know how to act around them. I know my kitties are perfectly happy to sink a claw into you if you yank on their tails, and they don't care if you're playing or just don't know any better. And, if they've been taught that pets are wrong to have, evil, or who knows what, I hate to think what some of the older kids might do to those animals.

[lotty]

Originally posted by cloe23 [*]
<respectfully snipped>
Someone has mentioned pet's before, I think that is would be so sweet for these kids. Pets are so loyal. [/*]

I think pets could be very theraputic(sp?). They were allowed pets, until Warren Jeffs stepped in to the role of Prophet. I can't remember why he ordered them done away with. Maybe I'll hunt up the link.

Interesting bit of info...

FLDS Change in Leadership

Apparently Warren Jeffs is starting to lose his grip on the leadership of the FLDS.

[lotty]

http://www.rickross.com/reference/po...lygamy186.html

"Since there is no courtship, there is no dancing. And no out-of-town baseball games: The prophet does not cotton to contact with the outside world.

Now and then, residents are told to get rid of their cats and dogs - no explanation given.

The last serious attempt at outside intervention dates back to 1953, when governor Howard Pyle arrested two-dozen local men and placed about 200 children in foster homes."

[cloe23]

Originally posted by Rainkiss [*]

I'd be VERY careful putting those kids with pets... They've never had pets, so they don't know how to act around them. I know my kitties are perfectly happy to sink a claw into you if you yank on their tails, and they don't care if you're playing or just don't know any better. And, if they've been taught that pets are wrong to have, evil, or who knows what, I hate to think what some of the older kids might do to those animals. [/*]

Point taken.
OK how about a walk through the zoo?

[cloe23]

Originally posted by lotty [*]

I think pets could be very theraputic(sp?). They were allowed pets, until Warren Jeffs stepped in to the role of Prophet. I can't remember why he ordered them done away with. Maybe I'll hunt up the link. [/*]

LOL, Im so lazy when it comes to posting links, I need to work on that. Maybe......

[cloe23]

Originally posted by lotty [*]http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/DS/Warren_...g_For_Zion.mp3

"Yearning For Zion" the song by Warren Jeffs.

I hope this link works for anyone wanting to listen to the song.
Make up your own minds.

IMO it really got on my nerves...not the words, sometimes I can't understand what the man is singing. [/*]

I personally liked it. But I'm a total music geek, love piano music and such.
What I do questions is.........
Is Warren Jeffs the ******* that they are refering too? Or is that the comming of Christ?
Never one mention that I heard about Zion= Who is defined as The land of Isreal(Capital) or A mountian in Jersalem=Mont Zion.(Mountian in the City of David) I Think, per Wikipedia.

The song has many words like, Beautiful City, Redemption,
God, Christ and Lord.

None of this for me has been about their chosen right of religion, for me its about the teenagers having babies with the Elders.
And the babies not been allowed to cry, not a behaviour that is taught, it is a reflex at birth. IMO (At least for my two is was, LOL)
And not knowing who your momma is, sickens me.
This is about protecting over 400 children who someday I repeate often, we will need to assist us. (Thery are our future) The children.

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by Rainkiss [*]Interesting bit of info...

FLDS Change in Leadership

Apparently Warren Jeffs is starting to lose his grip on the leadership of the FLDS. [/*]

Wendell Nielsen's photo is going up alongside Jeffs' in homes. Our sources believe Nielsen is telling people he speaks for Jeffs, because it's through Jeffs that Nielsen gets his legitimacy. But he may also be telling others Jeffs has become sick in jail and can no longer lead.



Sick in jail!! Yeah right, what a pathetic piece of excrement Jeffs is. He is sick by his own doings, refusing to eat, etc.

[KatyDid]

Coming up on ttv, JFlo says she will have updates on the FLDS happenings in Texas. Says she will talk about the kids being moved yesterday.

[KatyDid]

Discussion of TRO regarding seperation of very young children from their mothers. Attorneys have been unsuccessful getting the judge to hear them about TRO.

Breast feeding issue is not going to be a factor in judge's decision. She says every day women in America have children and go back to work. These women won't get special consideration because of that.

Rodney Parker, attorney for polygamist sect speaking out against CPS. He is talking nonense, IMO. He should do a little more reading in the law books.

All children removed because there was proof of a pervasive pattern of abuse on the compund.

[lotty]

IMO/JMO I just had a thought...I would really like to know what their life expectancy for women is, infant mortality rates, teen pregnancy. Numbers, I bet can't be found... Also the concept of "Old Maid" is basically gone from our society ( I haven't heard the phrase in a long time.) I wonder what would be an "Old Maid" to them? As always IMO/JMO

[juliekan]

JFlo is an idiot, saying many religious groups have a long history of marrying young girls (that makes it OK? Legal?) TH "Frank" somebody talking about the judge being a man (WRONG).

[lotty]

<respectfully snipped>

Originally posted by KatyDid [*]

Rodney Parker, attorney for polygamist sect speaking out against CPS. He is talking nonense, IMO. He should do a little more reading in the law books.

All children removed because there was proof of a pervasive pattern of abuse on the compund. [/*]

Didn't Rod Parker quit Warren in the Brent Jeffs case, or Warren fired Parker? I can't remember, I think Rod Parker quit being Warren's attorney during that case. I wonder why he is back? IMO/JMO

[dmh]

I heard that some men have gone to another compound to avoid being tested. It just shows me they have something to hide. And if they did leave aren't they deserting their children?
Also some woman are collecting welfair. If they want to collect welfair, then they should abide by the law. jmo

[juliekan]

St. Louis Trib reports 4 more buses have arrived to move more children today.

[dmh]

oops! sorry for the spelling

[lotty]

Originally posted by dmh [*]I heard that some men have gone to another compound to avoid being tested. It just shows me they have something to hide. And if they did leave aren't they deserting their children?
Also some woman are collecting welfair. If they want to collect welfair, then they should abide by the law. jmo [/*]

IMO/JMO So does this mean someone there actually knows the law? Or right from wrong? Or did the "Prophet" send them away? IMO/JMO

[dmh]

Originally posted by lotty [*]

IMO/JMO So does this mean someone there actually knows the law? Or right from wrong? Or did the "Prophet" send them away? IMO/JMO [/*]

But they know the law when it comes to taking the tax payers money. JMO

[lotty]

Originally posted by dmh [*]

But they know the law when it comes to taking the tax payers money. JMO [/*]

Well ofcourse they do. Receiving is better than giving, or did I get that backwards. As always JMO/IMO

[lotty]

http://arizona.quickcityinfo.com/Colorado%20City/Census

Total population (Total): 4,064
Total population 18 years and over (Total): 1,601
Population under 20 years (Total): 2,606
Population 65 years and over (Total): 62
White alone population 65 years and over (Total): 59
Black or African American alone population 65 years and over (Total): 1
Some other race alone population 65 years and over (Total): 2
Hispanic or Latino population 65 years and over (Total): 4
As of 2000.

Thank you Census Bureau.
I'm still not finding what I'm looking for! JMO/IMO

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by lotty [*]http://arizona.quickcityinfo.com/Colorado%20City/Census

Total population (Total): 4,064
Total population 18 years and over (Total): 1,601
Population under 20 years (Total): 2,606
Population 65 years and over (Total): 62
White alone population 65 years and over (Total): 59
Black or African American alone population 65 years and over (Total): 1
Some other race alone population 65 years and over (Total): 2
Hispanic or Latino population 65 years and over (Total): 4
As of 2000.

Thank you Census Bureau.
I'm still not finding what I'm looking for! JMO/IMO [/*]

Very interesting figures. Wonder what the ratio of women to men is?

[lotty]

Originally posted by KatyDid [*]

Very interesting figures. Wonder what the ratio of women to men is? [/*]

I don't know, found another interesting one: 2006
http://www.azcommerce.com/doclib/COM...ado%20city.pdf

Sorry, I'm really only checking CC/Hildale, because they are incorporated communities. I don't think I can anything on the compounds (I'll try though.)

[spydernweb2006]

This should end the claims of illegal search on the FLDS Compound:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080423/...0EcUsIi7es0NUE

The Supreme Court just ruled it does not matter at all if what they went in for if they see/saw illegal activity. While I pray IF there is/was a Sarah they find her and help her it now legally has no bearing on the children being removed by CPS for abuse.

According to the noon news here in the DFW area there are bus loads of kids on their way here to be cared for until the DNA comes back and it can be determined who belongs to who and what legal items have to occur before the Parents can reclaim their kids. They are going to be kept for CPS by the Catholic Charities Shelters according to the news. CC has not confirmed. This was on WFAA, if anyone wants to look it up, it should be on their website.

Here is the video of the noon news regarding that:

http://www.wfaa.com/video/index.html?nvid=238490


JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

** edited to fix a spelling error

[cloe23]

Originally posted by KatyDid [*]Coming up on ttv, JFlo says she will have updates on the FLDS happenings in Texas. Says she will talk about the kids being moved yesterday.


Well I missed any updates. I did see J F's 'Last word' = 'Things that go bum p in the night'
totally OT imo

Just doing her job to try and spin a defense!

Not disrespect JF

[/*]

[Ladyhawk]

Originally posted by dmh [*]I heard that some men have gone to another compound to avoid being tested. It just shows me they have something to hide. And if they did leave aren't they deserting their children?
Also some woman are collecting welfair. If they want to collect welfair, then they should abide by the law. jmo [/*]

Those men don't care about these children, they'll just go to another compound, get more wives and make some more. JMO but I don't think they will put up much of a fight for the 400+. Those kids are of no use to them now and their very existence may be the downfall of some when the DNA comes back. I'm not so sure I would trust them with the kids....I'm not really confident the children wouldn't end up in some other location under a new name.