Thurs. 17 Apr 08 Daily Discussion

strick10 · #1 04-17-2008, 10:11 AM

Some early risers on this board. Let's see if anything new materializes today.

marinewife5 · #2 04-17-2008, 10:22 AM

Good Morning...just checking in before a busy day. I hope that the extradition process flows smoothly. I know it's too much to hope that it will be swift, so I will settle for smooth. jmo

martha · #3 04-17-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by marinewife5 [*]Good Morning...just checking in before a busy day. I hope that the extradition process flows smoothly. I know it's too much to hope that it will be swift, so I will settle for smooth. jmo [/*]

ITA with you marinewife5 just so it is done sooner or later we had all rather it would be sooner.lol I got to go to doc and take my hubby so i will be in and out all day but hope everyone will keep posting. have a very good day

marinewife5 · #4 04-17-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by martha [*] ITA with you marinewife5 just so it is done sooner or later we had all rather it would be sooner.lol I got to go to doc and take my hubby so i will be in and out all day but hope everyone will keep posting. have a very good day

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You have a good day too martha!

strick10 · #5 04-17-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by marinewife5 [*]Good Morning...just checking in before a busy day. I hope that the extradition process flows smoothly. I know it's too much to hope that it will be swift, so I will settle for smooth. jmo [/*]

Busy is good. Hope the extradition happens sooner than it has been said.

caejde · #6 04-17-2008, 11:15 AM

This whole week I've been dreaming about this case. But my most recent was he waived extradition. Don't know if it means anything...just a dream.

strick10 · #7 04-17-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]This whole week I've been dreaming about this case. But my most recent was he waived extradition. Don't know if it means anything...just a dream. [/*]

That's crazy. This case must really be on your mind. Take that dream back.....we want him to agree to extradition. Wonder if CAL has a lawyer in Mexico.

caejde · #8 04-17-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by strick10 [*]

That's crazy. This case must really be on your mind. Take that dream back.....we want him to agree to extradition. Wonder if CAL has a lawyer in Mexico. [/*]

If you think that dream was crazy...should hear the one I had earlier in the week....I can still remember details...it was that vivid. Usually I have been away from the case a few hours before going to bed...so it's weird that I've been dreaming about it. I think they said he did have a representive there in Mexico and his lawyer here-Wally Paramore-is in contact.

GentleBreeze · #9 04-17-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]This whole week I've been dreaming about this case. But my most recent was he waived extradition. Don't know if it means anything...just a dream. [/*]

I don't know if it means anything but Hudson seems to think CL is not going to fight extradition.

I am sure he is communicating with Mexico authorities who may be giving this information to him.

imoo

Janz · #10 04-17-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

If you think that dream was crazy...should hear the one I had earlier in the week....I can still remember details...it was that vivid. Usually I have been away from the case a few hours before going to bed...so it's weird that I've been dreaming about it. I think they said he did have a representive there in Mexico and his lawyer here-Wally Paramore-is in contact. [/*]

Morning everyone, just stopping in briefly to check. Will be in and out today. I don`t have dreams but am haunted by the entire sad, sad case! May we all have answers soon........Will he be brought back soon rather than later??? Have a great day everyone!!

#11 04-17-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

I don't know if it means anything but Hudson seems to think CL is not going to fight extradition.

I am sure he is communicating with Mexico authorities who may be giving this information to him.

imoo [/*]

I would sure rather be in a US jail than a Mexican jail awaiting trial!

nuttintodo · #12 04-17-2008, 11:58 AM

KKKKKKatie, I second that opinion!

No way would I want to ever be in a Mexican jail.

Marcia3 · #13 04-17-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]KKKKKKatie, I second that opinion!

No way would I want to ever be in a Mexican jail. [/*]

Me either. I wouldn't want to be in any jail, anywhere, but if I had to be in one, I wouldn't choose Mexico!

strick10 · #14 04-17-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

If you think that dream was crazy...should hear the one I had earlier in the week....I can still remember details...it was that vivid. Usually I have been away from the case a few hours before going to bed...so it's weird that I've been dreaming about it. I think they said he did have a representive there in Mexico and his lawyer here-Wally Paramore-is in contact. [/*]

Maybe you Jacksonville board folks should invite Wally to lunch just to chat....

Marcia3 · #15 04-17-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

If you think that dream was crazy...should hear the one I had earlier in the week....I can still remember details...it was that vivid. Usually I have been away from the case a few hours before going to bed...so it's weird that I've been dreaming about it. I think they said he did have a representive there in Mexico and his lawyer here-Wally Paramore-is in contact. [/*]

Man, dreams can be so strange and sometimes mine stay with me for days. Usually the dreams that bother me most are the ones that stick around in my head the longest. Go figure.

I'm still catching up from last night. BBL when I'm done

daniel green · #16 04-17-2008, 12:14 PM

SavannahStar posted:

Hi Donna, sorry to snip your very excellent and heartfelt post, but I only wanted to ask a question regarding the above, which you have said very often on here.

What IF....sometime in the future, during the trial or before or after, the DA or anyone else in authority comes out and states that Christina IS innocent of any wrong doing, that she had NO part in the murder OR the "cover-up".....and what IF there is solid evidence that this is true? That is made public?

Would you still say, despite all PROVEN evidence to the contrary, that you believe she was involved?

If so, that would shock me. I think most of us by now are pretty fairly wedded to our own theory(ies) whatever they may be, but have said they are subject to change IF something comes up to prove differently.

Currently, as you know, I am convinced Christina is entirely innocent. I could say as you do, "I will always believe....." but I would temper that with, "BUT......I could be wrong and will admit that if necessary when proof comes to light."

Just wondering!

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I was thinking about this last night as I was driving home, SS. And I think that if Mrs L is not arrested or charged I will agree that certainly LE knows more than we do and be satisfied with that.

There is always the nagging feeling of "what if they just don't have enough for probable cause?" And that would linger for me.

While my gut feeling is that Mrs L had a lot to do with the murder and coverup, if the police were to actually say that they find her innocent or made it public that they have facts to support that belief--well, that would be more than enough for me. I would agree with them.

I just don't believe that board posters, either here or at JDwhatever, have come up with anything that LE has not come up with.

It is clear to them that the window of opportunity for the murder and cover up is very small, I am sure they know when Mrs L got home, all of that.

nuttintodo · #17 04-17-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by strick10 [*]

Maybe you Jacksonville board folks should invite Wally to lunch just to chat....

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Hmmm I can think of a couple others I'd like to have lunch with us....

Someone is going to do what you and I discussed earlier TODAY.

daniel green · #18 04-17-2008, 12:30 PM

Good morning, GB.

I was reading your posts from last night and agreeing with them.

Most especially about how utterly weird it was that LE and the DA talked about Mrs L's feelings, her diary, etc? Why on earth talk about how she loves her husband despite his cheating?

However there is one thing you said with which I disagree:
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GB posted:

I just can't fathom any mother telling their own adopted child that they should give up the one thing that would make them feel whole again and have belonging and purpose.

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I would advice or encourage my adopted children to think about an adoption placement under similar circumstances.

#19 04-17-2008, 12:38 PM

I've been thinking the DA and LE came out with some information on Christina because they are seeing her bashed so much and know she doesn't deserve it. Maybe trying to help her cope without such bad publicity. I would think by now they see what they said didn't matter at all.

JMO

IvySterling · #20 04-17-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by daniel green [*]However there is one thing you said with which I disagree:
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GB posted:
I just can't fathom any mother telling their own adopted child that they should give up the one thing that would make them feel whole again and have belonging and purpose.
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I would advice or encourage my adopted children to think about an adoption placement under similar circumstances. [/*]

Ditto here!

nuttintodo · #21 04-17-2008, 12:54 PM

Well Lindell Kay has just dropped a bombshell over at Off the Cuff....

http://www.onslowcrime.encblogs.com

#22 04-17-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]Well Lindell Kay has just dropped a bombshell over at Off the Cuff....

http://www.onslowcrime.encblogs.com [/*]

CL seems much more worried about the rape charges than murder charges

Lyn_T · #23 04-17-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]Well Lindell Kay has just dropped a bombshell over at Off the Cuff....

http://www.onslowcrime.encblogs.com [/*]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GentleBreeze · #24 04-17-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by daniel green [*]Good morning, GB.

I was reading your posts from last night and agreeing with them.

Most especially about how utterly weird it was that LE and the DA talked about Mrs L's feelings, her diary, etc? Why on earth talk about how she loves her husband despite his cheating?

However there is one thing you said with which I disagree:
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GB posted:

I just can't fathom any mother telling their own adopted child that they should give up the one thing that would make them feel whole again and have belonging and purpose.

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I would advice or encourage my adopted children to think about an adoption placement under similar circumstances. [/*]

Good morning Daniel.

Even though I cannot fathom it, I certainly respect your opinion and take on it.

IMO a mother truly knows their child's inner feelings and would have been able to see that is not what Maria really wanted. From what we have learned Maria was very excited and looking forward to having Gabriel.

Maybe.... I would suggest adoption if I knew for certain in my heart this was really what my adopted child wanted but if I knew deep in my heart that keeping this child meant everything to her I could never suggest such a thing. What is even sadder imo it seems Maria wasn't able to express her own true feelings to her own mother for most of her life. But then maybe she did on the 14th in her conversation with her mother where she was to have been highly upset with her.

I do hope that Maria did have her say and imo she finally did voice her wants and desires to her mother about keeping her child imo.

imoo

crymeariver2006 · #25 04-17-2008, 01:01 PM

Lindell's latest is up:

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=82#comment-581

(While I hope his "reliable source" is reliable, I don't want to think he's buying in to the Code Red (or whatever it was called) carp that was being spun there earlier.

JMO

strick10 · #26 04-17-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by Squawk Box [*]I've been thinking the DA and LE came out with some information on Christina because they are seeing her bashed so much and know she doesn't deserve it. Maybe trying to help her cope without such bad publicity. I would think by now they see what they said didn't matter at all.

JMO [/*]

Shouldn't they remain fair but impartial in all cases. I found it to be un-professional. I don't understand why they are so concerned in changing the publics view on CSL. People are going to think what they are going to think until the LE says that she has been cleared on any and all involvement. Is it normal for the LE to be so concerned about a witness that they publicly release comments as they did at that presser? Just askin' don't know. IMO it just made the matter worse.

Kel65 · #27 04-17-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]Well Lindell Kay has just dropped a bombshell over at Off the Cuff....

http://www.onslowcrime.encblogs.com [/*]

I have to say this does not come as a shock to me. JMO

crymeariver2006 · #28 04-17-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by Kel65 [*]

I have to say this does not come as a shock to me. JMO [/*]

So, are we now talking rage over false accusations?

strick10 · #29 04-17-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]Well Lindell Kay has just dropped a bombshell over at Off the Cuff....

http://www.onslowcrime.encblogs.com [/*]

Mama Mia!!!!!!!!!

Kel65 · #30 04-17-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

So, are we now talking rage over false accusations?

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Maybe? JMO

caejde · #31 04-17-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

So, are we now talking rage over false accusations?

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Or he'd been thinking this was his child--because they did have consensual sex--and deep inside he was excited and then to find out it possibly wasn't his?

crymeariver2006 · #32 04-17-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Kel65 [*]

Maybe? JMO [/*]

I see someone just asked the same question I asked. Who is the "military wife and mother" reporting all this information?

Mary Lauterbach?

If so, this is a long held belief of hers that Cesar was Maria's superior officer.

strick10 · #33 04-17-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by KKKKKKatie [*]

CL seems much more worried about the rape charges than murder charges

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There's probably alot more involved not only in the rape allegations but the murder charges. Maybe, just maybe, he was telling the truth that he only buried Maria. I'm not going to buy this until I see otherwise though. We're going to have wait and see.

SavannahStar · #34 04-17-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Kel65 [*]

I have to say this does not come as a shock to me. JMO [/*]

Me either. I don't think it's a bombshell.

caejde · #35 04-17-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

I see someone just asked the same question I asked. Who is the "military wife and mother" reporting all this information?

Mary Lauterbach?

If so, this is a long held belief of hers that Cesar was Maria's superior officer. [/*]

Why would a military wife/mother be involved in the original incident report?? Wouldn't that be Maria giving info to a case agent

SavannahStar · #36 04-17-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by strick10 [*]

Shouldn't they remain fair but impartial in all cases. I found it to be un-professional. I don't understand why they are so concerned in changing the publics view on CSL. People are going to think what they are going to think until the LE says that she has been cleared on any and all involvement. Is it normal for the LE to be so concerned about a witness that they publicly release comments as they did at that presser? Just askin' don't know. IMO it just made the matter worse. [/*]

I think it only made the matter "worse" for those already convinced of her guilt, and made the matter "better" for those already convinced of her innocence. That make sense?

Mimi428 · #37 04-17-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]Well Lindell Kay has just dropped a bombshell over at Off the Cuff....

http://www.onslowcrime.encblogs.com [/*]

The mind boggles. I'm going to have to find that fainting couch & get in smelling salts for sure if it turns out that Cesar was not the father. I can hardly wrap my mind around the possibility that there is some other guy, somewhere, who was the father of that innocent baby.

The more that is revealed (or just hinted at), the more it appears that Maria was about as 'on your own, deal with everything by yourself' as a person could possibly be.

JMO

crymeariver2006 · #38 04-17-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

Why would a military wife/mother be involved in the original incident report?? Wouldn't that be Maria giving info to a case agent [/*]

Don't know. Unless he's talking about the SW that was called the "incident report" when it was reported that someone in the Laurean house looked at it online?

'Cause I'd bet a southern fried crow tv dinner that ALL of that information, from the "due any day" to the "superior officer" came from Mary Lauterbach.

Me thinks Lindell, although a great guy and provider of scoops, may be reading too much in to it. I mean, we're talking tin foil hat stuff.

JMO

strick10 · #39 04-17-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

I see someone just asked the same question I asked. Who is the "military wife and mother" reporting all this information?

Mary Lauterbach?

If so, this is a long held belief of hers that Cesar was Maria's superior officer. [/*]

Maybe the military wife and mother was the possible fathers wife....

caejde · #40 04-17-2008, 01:13 PM

So, the military is holding off testing any other possible fathers...but how would they know who that possible father is?? Like I said...for all we know it could be someone in SC, some civilian in Jacksonville, a Sailor...so if it's not Cesar...I dont see how they are going to know who the father is.