Evidence List

[magpie1]

This is a pdf file - 88 pages - of evidence seized by LE from the YFZ ranch in El Dorado, Texas.

http://www.childbrides.org/ItemsSeizedAtYFZ.pdf

[Carol25]

Originally posted by magpie1 [*]This is a pdf file - 88 pages - of evidence seized by LE from the YFZ ranch in El Dorado, Texas.

http://www.childbrides.org/ItemsSeizedAtYFZ.pdf [/*]

Alot of things on there. One of the most interesting I thought was "Mail from houses in hiding". Hmmmmm....Sarah?

[walton]

Originally posted by Carol25 [*]
Alot of things on there. One of the most interesting I thought was "Mail from houses in hiding". Hmmmmm....Sarah? [/*]

Items found when Seth Jeffs was arrested.

http://denver.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/20...tive071406.htm

After obtaining a state search warrant later that day, deputies discovered approximately $142,000.00 of US currency, documents, and sealed envelopes in the vehicle. Many of the envelopes were addressed to "The Prophet," or "Warren Jeffs." Authorities also discovered several envelopes containing pre-paid credit cards and pre-paid cellular phone cards. Additionally, they found seven cellular phones inside the vehicle.

Items found when Warren was arrested. Remember he ran from the FBI for a long time.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...29-jeffs_x.htm

Items inside the vehicle included $54,000 in cash, gift cards totaling $10,000, the cellphones and wigs, four laptop computers, a GPS device, a police scanner, and numerous unopened envelopes that were thought to contain more cash, Lewis said.


About the houses in hiding....

Most of the church's members live in Hildale, Utah, and adjoining Colorado City, Ariz., but authorities have said they believe Jeffs had "safe houses" in four other states — including Nevada — and Canada.

http://www.childbrides.org/ItemsSeizedAtYFZ.pdf


pg 50 ADP 62 PEDIGREE DOCUMENTS

does this go with the thought that Jeffs was trying to create the pure/perfect race?

[walton]

Originally posted by dsmith [*]http://www.childbrides.org/ItemsSeizedAtYFZ.pdf


pg 50 ADP 62 PEDIGREE DOCUMENTS

does this go with the thought that Jeffs was trying to create the pure/perfect race? [/*]

Who knows. Warren is just plain weird and because of the amount of money he has and the amount of control that he still has over his flock it still makes him dangerous.

When his father died he married his fathers wives. Now that is a man that has issues!

I wonder how he took the news.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by walton [*]

Who knows. Warren is just plain weird and because of the amount of money he has and the amount of control that he still has over his flock it still makes him dangerous.

When his father died he married his fathers wives. Now that is a man that has issues!

I wonder how he took the news. [/*]

Not well, I would assume...

[giddyupalw]

Originally posted by walton [*]

Who knows. Warren is just plain weird and because of the amount of money he has and the amount of control that he still has over his flock it still makes him dangerous.

When his father died he married his fathers wives. Now that is a man that has issues!

I wonder how he took the news. [/*]

You are so right!! The guy does have many issues... I can't stand to look at him...

[ccnsd]

Originally posted by Carol25 [*]
Alot of things on there. One of the most interesting I thought was "Mail from houses in hiding". Hmmmmm....Sarah? [/*]

I wonder about all the "white linen" and bags of white clothing, with names on them. Do they all wear white during certain times or what? I seen one for an Uncle Fred & read on the texaspoligamy blog where someone was asking what happened to "Uncle Fred" after he was put out on a repentance mission.
http://texaspolygamy.blogspot.com/20...-anything.html

[Ladyhawk]

[quote]Originally posted by walton [*]

~~snip~~

When his father died he married his fathers wives. Now that is a man that has issues!

~~snip~~

When he married his father's wives he married his own mother!!!! How sick is that!?!

[Ladyhawk]

I can't quit looking at the evidence list...I'm seeing item AD3 which is cassette tapes transferred to separate evidence list - CPS evidence. Then further down, there is 1 - sealed box containing cassette tapes.

What could be on those tapes? What made LE transfer them to CPS evidence...something written on the outside case?

Originally posted by dsmith [*]
http://www.childbrides.org/ItemsSeizedAtYFZ.pdf

pg 50 ADP 62 PEDIGREE DOCUMENTS

does this go with the thought that Jeffs was trying to create the pure/perfect race?......... [/*]

I was surprised at how many LAPTOPS they had....

The members owning those laptops, could have been keeping up with business news and the headlines of the day...as well as anything else on the internet....including posting on the internet.

As far as health problems for inbreeding.... they aren't "concerned" about it enough to STOP what's causing it...
................jmo

[ccnsd]

Originally posted by Devotion [*]

I was surprised at how many LAPTOPS they had....

The members owning those laptops, could have been keeping up with business news and the headlines of the day...as well as anything else on the internet....including posting on the internet.

As far as health problems for inbreeding.... they aren't "concerned" about it enough to STOP what's causing it...
................jmo [/*]

No kidding.....I'm wondering what's on them.
Genelogy?
Records of bleeding the beast?


Tirante;
I was thinking "heavens gate cult" just seemed weird to me.

Originally posted by ccnsd [*]

No kidding.....I'm wondering what's on them.
Genelogy?
Records of bleeding the beast?


Tirante;
I was thinking "heavens gate cult" just seemed weird to me. [/*]

Oh, I imagine they'll find out what's on them, even if they have to remove the hard drives and manually check every single file.

[awareness]

[quote]Originally posted by Ladyhawk [*]

Originally posted by walton [*]

~~snip~~

When his father died he married his fathers wives. Now that is a man that has issues!

~~snip~~

When he married his father's wives he married his own mother!!!! How sick is that!?! [/*]

Im not so sure Warren married his own biological mother. Normally I don't think that's what FDLS do. I have heard of people marrying their former step parents though. I may be wrong though about Warren marrying his mother, I hope not though.

Interesting evidence list, thanks for sharing!

JMO/IMO

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by awareness [*]

Im not so sure Warren married his own biological mother. Normally I don't think that's what FDLS do. I have heard of people marrying their former step parents though. I may be wrong though about Warren marrying his mother, I hope not though.

Interesting evidence list, thanks for sharing!

JMO/IMO [/*]

Born:
Warren Steed Jeffs: December 3, 1955 in San Francisco, California. Warren Jeff's mother was the fourth wife of his father.

Polygamous Marriages:
Although the actual number of wives is unknown, it is estimated that Warren Steed Jeffs has between 40 and 70 wives.
It is believed that approximately 12 of these women were married to his father.



Rulon Jeffs was in his 90's when he died. I'm not sure how old that would make Warren Jeffs mother is she was the fourth wife of Rulon. Is she still alive?

I was just skimming through that list and saw something about a document on cyanide poisoning.

Also, there was a Sarah Jessop's photo album. The ladies on TV said there wasn't anybody named Sarah and that she is not alive. I figure that is a common name though.

[walton]

Originally posted by KatyDid [*]

Born:
Warren Steed Jeffs: December 3, 1955 in San Francisco, California. Warren Jeff's mother was the fourth wife of his father.

Polygamous Marriages:
Although the actual number of wives is unknown, it is estimated that Warren Steed Jeffs has between 40 and 70 wives.
It is believed that approximately 12 of these women were married to his father.



Rulon Jeffs was in his 90's when he died. I'm not sure how old that would make Warren Jeffs mother is she was the fourth wife of Rulon. Is she still alive? [/*]

No, Warren didn't marry his own mom. He married his fathers wives ( his stepmothers). One of them was "Naomi" which is the one that was with him when he was arrested in Nevada.
Naomi is also the one that went to see him at jail.

[LLaFren]

Originally posted by essiemadge [*]i am thinking of the old song, i am my own grandpa. ha ha

if jeffs married his fathers wifes who already had children from him, and then jeffs had children with them, and the same children married, are they there own grandpa????
someone smarter than me, please figure it out, [/*]

On one of these threads is the link to the song, one of the few times I've laughed following this story...

[walton]

Originally posted by magpie1 [*]This is a pdf file - 88 pages - of evidence seized by LE from the YFZ ranch in El Dorado, Texas.

http://www.childbrides.org/ItemsSeizedAtYFZ.pdf [/*]

I never saw one document that was listed as Death Certificate. Maybe that is what was in those envelopes.

[walton]

Originally posted by magpie1 [*]This is a pdf file - 88 pages - of evidence seized by LE from the YFZ ranch in El Dorado, Texas.

http://www.childbrides.org/ItemsSeizedAtYFZ.pdf [/*]

On page 4 of this file it has listed 18 receipts from Shannon Medical Center Lab for several different Sara Jessops

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by tirante [*]

They follow the teachings of Joseph Smith. Yes, members of the FLDS are Mormons. Members of the LDS are also Mormons. The context in which one uses the word is the key.

This link lists twelve "groups" of Mormonism:
http://www.religionfacts.com/mormoni...ominations.htm [/*]

They all use the Book of Mormon, so

Originally posted by KatyDid [*]

They all use the Book of Mormon, so [/*]

Granted... However, how many versions of the Bible are there? The one Jim Jones used to teach from wasn't the one *I* was taught from.

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by essiemadge [*]grammybear, from your posts now and in the past jeffs trial, i have come to admire you, like you, honor your commitment to your religion. wish that i could know you personally.
BUT, as much as i have tried to look on the mormon church people as a whole to be as honorable as you, i have not been able to.
the officials of your church and the state of utah seem to be afriad? ashamed? admiring? of these polygamists. i cannot bet beyond that. i know that personally you would do anything to help these children. but your church and your state still have blind eyes to their suffering. [/*]

I would add to that, how many of the Mormon faith are elected officials to the Senate and the House? I was shocked to read on a link provided that the legislature voted against a bill that would pay for an investigator to investigate abuse on the Utah FLDS compound. The worst part, the amount was only $200K. A very small amount to assure women and children within the state of Utah are not being abused because of a religious cult's beliefs.

Shocked I tell ya

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by Rainkiss [*]

Granted... However, how many versions of the Bible are there? The one Jim Jones used to teach from wasn't the one *I* was taught from. [/*]

I don't know, are there other interpretations of the Book of Mormon? I know there are language 'revisions' to the Bible, I do not know that about the Book of Mormon. The passages I have read quoted on the Internet by LDS appear to be in the same old English language the King James Bible is with the thou, ye, etc.

If FLDS was using a different version of the Book of Mormon, wouldn't LDS be making that fact known to further separate themselves from the FLDS?

Just wondering

Originally posted by essiemadge [*]grammybear, from your posts now and in the past jeffs trial, i have come to admire you, like you, honor your commitment to your religion. wish that i could know you personally.
BUT, as much as i have tried to look on the mormon church people as a whole to be as honorable as you, i have not been able to.
the officials of your church and the state of utah seem to be afriad? ashamed? admiring? of these polygamists. i cannot bet beyond that. i know that personally you would do anything to help these children. but your church and your state still have blind eyes to their suffering. [/*]

Actually, can't recall where I heard it, but I believe one of the things that was stated was that the main Mormon church was concerned that them getting involved would only make things worse. The FLDS view the Mormons as traitors to the original teachings of their faith. Could be that they've been badmouthed to the children worse than the rest of the world.

Originally posted by KatyDid [*]

I don't know, are there other interpretations of the Book of Mormon? I know there are language 'revisions' to the Bible, I do not know that about the Book of Mormon. The passages I have read quoted on the Internet by LDS appear to be in the same old English language the King James Bible is with the thou, ye, etc.

If FLDS was using a different version of the Book of Mormon, wouldn't LDS be making that fact known to further separate themselves from the FLDS?

Just wondering [/*]

Jinx. Ya posted while I was typing.

I doubt they'd discuss the different versions of the Book that might exist... They may have no idea what the FLDS is using... Or the FLDS could be using the same text, just interpreting it differently.

As for why Warren "married" his father's wives, see I Kings 1 and 2. Adonijah, one of King David's sons, tried to usurp the throne from his brother Solomon. Solomon was David's choice as his successor. After a failed coup attempt, Solomon spared Adonijah's life, but Adonijah decided to make one more stab at becoming king. He went to Bathsheba, Solomon's mother, and asked her to go to Solomon to request that King David's last concubine, a beautiful young woman named Abishag, be given to him as his wife.

When Bathsheba made this request to Solomon, he ordered that Adonijah be killed. Why? Because he knew that Adonijah's motive was to wrest the kingdom away from him. If you succeed in marrying the wife/wives/concubines of the former king (or prophet), you consolidate your claim for the position!

BTW, Warren didn't marry ALL of Rulon's wives. In her book Escape, Carolyn Jessop mentioned that her husband Merril married at least one of the "widows" - and this boosted his position, too!

In the FLDS, it also gives a man extra power if his DAUGHTER marries the prophet.

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by Rainkiss [*]

Jinx. Ya posted while I was typing.

I doubt they'd discuss the different versions of the Book that might exist... They may have no idea what the FLDS is using... Or the FLDS could be using the same text, just interpreting it differently. [/*]

I can definitely agree with you on interpreting the book differently. IMO, that is why there are so many Christian denominations.

[awareness]

Im not sure how old Warren's mother is or if she's still alive.

Several of Joseph Smith, Jr's plural wives became the plural wife of Brigham Young. So the tradition of re-marrying into the "prophets" family started from the get go IMO.

JMO/IMO

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by awareness [*]Im not sure how old Warren's mother is or if she's still alive.

Several of Joseph Smith, Jr's plural wives became the plural wife of Brigham Young. So the tradition of re-marrying into the "prophets" family started from the get go IMO.

JMO/IMO [/*]

She was the fourth wife of Rulon, Warren's father. Warren was born in 1955. That makes Warren 53 this year. When Rulon died in 2002, he had 19 wives living. All but 2 were 'married' to Warren. There is no mention of his biological mother. I'm not sure she is still alive.

[funkyflower]

Originally posted by essiemadge [*]i am thinking of the old song, i am my own grandpa. ha ha

if jeffs married his fathers wifes who already had children from him, and then jeffs had children with them, and the same children married, are they there own grandpa????
someone smarter than me, please figure it out, [/*]

Gramps+Wives=Warren and Siblings
Warren +Gramp's Wives=HalfSiblings/Children
HalfSiblings/Children+HalfSiblings/Children=Brothers/Sisters/Aunts&Uncle
Which would make Warren a Brother, Uncle and Grampa to those children??

O M G

I am apparently not that someone smarter lol

[walton]

I shouldn't have. But I laughed. Out loud.