Sat evening, 4/12

daniel green · #1 04-12-2008, 08:16 PM

Was the thread locked for length or are we locked up for the night?

TIA

marinewife5 · #2 04-12-2008, 08:17 PM

I do not know.

hinman · #3 04-12-2008, 08:20 PM

Not sure but thanks for starting a new one.

baywench · #4 04-12-2008, 08:20 PM

Wow that's disorienting. I was right in the middle of an intelligent and well thought out post about the suicide comment being part of the packaging of Christina for public consumption when her reality defying claim she knew nothing is pushed. IMO

donna · #5 04-12-2008, 08:20 PM

I was answering a post, then nothing! I hope the board is not closed and CW will let us know if we did anything wrong!

MoonFlwr · #6 04-12-2008, 08:20 PM

It looks like a length issue, and not a 'closed for the night' issue.

I think!

marinewife5 · #7 04-12-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by hinman [*]Not sure but thanks for starting a new one. [/*]

156000 acres is more than 2 miles. jmo

donna · #8 04-12-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by baywench [*]Wow that's disorienting. I was right in the middle of an intelligent and well thought out post about the suicide comment being part of the packaging of Christina for public consumption when her reality defying claim she knew nothing is pushed. IMO [/*]

Please post it, bay! When I heard that said in the PC, my mouth fell open!

hinman · #9 04-12-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by marinewife5 [*]

156000 acres is more than 2 miles. jmo [/*]

So they did not move her all the way across base.

Any way I did like there answer to the MPO issue. They did not advice her to get a civilian restraining order and they do not notify civilian LE that being said let me add this if she had told them she felt threatened or was being threatened they would of taking additional steps and advised her to get a civilian RO.

daniel green · #10 04-12-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by baywench [*]Wow that's disorienting. I was right in the middle of an intelligent and well thought out post about the suicide comment being part of the packaging of Christina for public consumption when her reality defying claim she knew nothing is pushed. IMO [/*]

Hate it when that happens...

And yeah that suidice comment appeared like generic packaging.

daniel green · #11 04-12-2008, 08:28 PM

nelkirk
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Originally posted by daniel green [*]

ITA

A full 90% of all prisoners come back into our communities.

If only based on selfishness we should all want and demand rehabilitation, job training, drug/alcohol treatment, mental health care and education for our prisoners. [/*]
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II would SELF-PRESERVATION into that sentence

For a community to survive there is a constant need to treat and educate people as a deterrent to crime as well as preventing revolving door crimes committed when a criminal is released on parole and back into the community.
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Absolutely, Nelkirk.

Don't get me started on prevention. Except to say that for every 5 cents we spend on prevention, we could save a dollar on incarceration.

#12 04-12-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by hinman [*]I also found it interresting that Maria used her MPo to express her concern to command about attending formations and events with Laurean. [/*]

Seems it was always Maria who had to miss the formations and events (at least she's the only one mentioned to have in the letter) in order to not be around him, even though the order to stay away from her applied to him. He was ordered to stay 1000 feet from her, she had the option of being excused from his presence if he failed to be the one to stay away. Something about that just doesn't seem right. IMO

Neither one attended the Christmas party, though.

baywench · #13 04-12-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by donna [*]

Please post it, bay! When I heard that said in the PC, my mouth fell open! [/*]

The timing is so strange to me. She didn't send him money because she knew that was illegal is being served up IMO I think after the computer was confiscated they put the screws to her and in the next two weeks (with them monitoring) she was told not to agree to help him with money and all of a sudden, in a very short time he is contacting the sheriff and has less than a dollar in his pocket. Very quickly this story is becoming about her and it seems weird. I think she is being packaged as a victim for a reason IMO

hinman · #14 04-12-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by daniel green
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Absolutely, Nelkirk.

Don't get me started on prevention. Except to say that for every 5 cents we spend on prevention, we could save a dollar on incarceration. [/*]

Is that true? I was curious what the cost differential would be. I know it has got to cost a lot for all the rehabilitation you are talking about and I would have to consider the odds of rehab.

daniel green · #15 04-12-2008, 08:33 PM

So ML reported the alleged punch in the face and although she alleged bruising and swelling the marines could not find any.

And she reported the alleged keying of the car but could provide no information about that allegation and was told to report it to the Provost, but ML did not.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Just as I thought.

hinman · #16 04-12-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by Charlotte [*]

Seems it was always Maria who had to miss the formations and events (at least she's the only one mentioned to have in the letter) in order to not be around him, even though the order to stay away from her applied to him. He was ordered to stay 1000 feet from her, she had the option of being excused from his presence if he failed to be the one to stay away. Something about that just doesn't seem right. IMO

Neither one attended the Christmas party, though. [/*]

I have to say your thoughts did go through my mind.

hinman · #17 04-12-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by daniel green [*]So ML reported the alleged punch in the face and although she alleged bruising and swelling the marines could not find any.

And she reported the alleged keying of the car but could provide no information about that allegation and was told to report it to the Provost, but ML did not.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Just as I thought. [/*]

To be fair daniel we do not know when they examined her. It was 5 days after the incident that her UVA reported it and then we do not know when the NCIS examined her after that to see if she had bruises.

daniel green · #18 04-12-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by hinman [*]Is that true? I was curious what the cost differential would be. I know it has got to cost a lot for all the rehabilitation you are talking about and I would have to consider the odds of rehab. [/*]

Yep, it's true. Actually the treatment prisoner advocates and prison experts suggest wind up costing MUCH less that to keep somene incarcerated. Especially in the super-max prisons.

The cost of even intensive probation is less than a a quarter of incarcertaion.

http://www.doc.state.nc.us/DOP/cost/cost2001.htm

baywench · #19 04-12-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by hinman [*]To be fair daniel we do not know when they examined her. It was 5 days after the incident that her UVA reported it and then we do not know when the NCIS examined her after that to see if she had bruises. [/*]

Wouldn't it be enough proof if the advocate had seen bruises? (I don't know if she did or didn't) JMO

daniel green · #20 04-12-2008, 08:40 PM

Well, good, there goes another theory posed on this board out the window.

As per the marines, ML was not facing a discharge for medical reasons.

gaelicpeas · #21 04-12-2008, 08:42 PM

I can't participate in the discussion about the MC response to the Congressman because I can't read pdf files on my home computer. Will read Monday at lunch.

(didnt want anybody to think I didn't like the responses

)

daniel green · #22 04-12-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by baywench [*]

Wouldn't it be enough proof if the advocate had seen bruises? (I don't know if she did or didn't) JMO [/*]

Yep.

I don't know how someone gets punched in the face (particularly a woman who is punched in the face my a man) and there is no bruising or swelling, even a week afterwards.

daniel green · #23 04-12-2008, 08:46 PM

From the marine's response:

Positive pregnancy test on June 27, 07.

On Nov 5, ML told the Military prosecutor that she was certain that CL was not the father based on a recent OB-gyn visit and recalculation of conception date. ML told prosecutor there was no reason to get CL's DNA.

donna · #24 04-12-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by baywench [*]

The timing is so strange to me. She didn't send him money because she knew that was illegal is being served up IMO I think after the computer was confiscated they put the screws to her and in the next two weeks (with them monitoring) she was told not to agree to help him with money and all of a sudden, in a very short time he is contacting the sheriff and has less than a dollar in his pocket. Very quickly this story is becoming about her and it seems weird. I think she is being packaged as a victim for a reason IMO [/*]

ITA, bay!

baywench · #25 04-12-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by daniel green [*]

Yep.

I don't know how someone gets punched in the face (particularly a woman who is punched in the face my a man) and there is no bruising or swelling, even a week afterwards. [/*]

If you were already worried about being found credible why wouldn't you report it to the MP and why wouldn't you have someone take a picture for you? jmo

MoonFlwr · #26 04-12-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by daniel green [*]

Yep, it's true. Actually the treatment prisoner advocates and prison experts suggest wind up costing MUCH less that to keep somene incarcerated. Especially in the super-max prisons.

The cost of even intensive probation is less than a a quarter of incarcertaion.

http://www.doc.state.nc.us/DOP/cost/cost2001.htm [/*]

Wow! That was some interesting information! I did not know that!
I wonder how much rehab would be carried out during 'intensive probation'?

Thanks for the link, daniel green!

nelkirk · #27 04-12-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by daniel green [*]nelkirk
Member

Registered: Apr 2008
Location:
Posts: 8

quote:
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Originally posted by daniel green [*]

ITA

A full 90% of all prisoners come back into our communities.

If only based on selfishness we should all want and demand rehabilitation, job training, drug/alcohol treatment, mental health care and education for our prisoners. [/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

II would SELF-PRESERVATION into that sentence

For a community to survive there is a constant need to treat and educate people as a deterrent to crime as well as preventing revolving door crimes committed when a criminal is released on parole and back into the community.
==============================================

Absolutely, Nelkirk.

Don't get me started on prevention. Except to say that for every 5 cents we spend on prevention, we could save a dollar on incarceration. [/*]

ITA

daniel green · #28 04-12-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by MoonFlwr [*]

Wow! That was some interesting information! I did not know that!
I wonder how much rehab would be carried out during 'intensive probation'?

Thanks for the link, daniel green!

[/*]

A lot of rehab can be done in intensive probation because the probation can mandate any treatment, education, work, etc.

You are more than welcome.

SavannahStar · #29 04-12-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by baywench [*]

The timing is so strange to me. She didn't send him money because she knew that was illegal is being served up IMO I think after the computer was confiscated they put the screws to her and in the next two weeks (with them monitoring) she was told not to agree to help him with money and all of a sudden, in a very short time he is contacting the sheriff and has less than a dollar in his pocket. Very quickly this story is becoming about her and it seems weird. I think she is being packaged as a victim for a reason IMO [/*]

So you think it's a big conspiracy, bay?

daniel green · #30 04-12-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by baywench [*]

If you were already worried about being found credible why wouldn't you report it to the MP and why wouldn't you have someone take a picture for you? jmo [/*]

No kidding.

Same as with the alleged keying incident.

BTW, why oh why can't I just copy and paste from this pdf file like I aways do?????

The marines explain the difference between "stellar" and "solid."

I am gonna guess that ML's family are not gonna be happy with the response. The old "don't answer a question you don't already know the answer to."

nana2 · #31 04-12-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by daniel green [*]

No kidding.

Same as with the alleged keying incident.

BTW, why oh why can't I just copy and paste from this pdf file like I aways do?????

The marines explain the difference between "stellar" and "solid."

I am gonna guess that ML's family are not gonna be happy with the response. The old "don't answer a question you don't already know the answer to." [/*]

oooo I missed that one what # is it??

baywench · #32 04-12-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

So you think it's a big conspiracy, bay?

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Now now SS, I hate that word. I think Christina's in it up to her eyebrows and cut a deal with LE that (although it left a bad taste in their mouth) was their ticket to bringing him in (with all due respect to the maurauding Mexican LE) and now they have to package the goods and do some air-brushing before they put her on the stand. Listen to the Sheriff...he says it all if you listen closely. No, no conspiracy but maybe some reluctant bedfellows. JMO

daniel green · #33 04-12-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by nana2 [*] oooo I missed that one what # is it?? [/*]

Q28 on pg 9.

nana2 · #34 04-12-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by daniel green [*]

Q28 on pg 9. [/*]

thank you

off to read

aubrey04 · #35 04-12-2008, 09:04 PM

I've read through all of your posts and couldn't keep up. There are some interesting theories being thrown out, which I won't discount until Laurean goes to trial and we see the evidence.. but I am not 100% sure that Christina was not involved in some fashion, but that's for the cops to explore - not me. I am VERY interested to know how long the emails between Christina and Cesar had been going on. We shall see.

A few people were debating the merits of sentencing and punishment. I would like to add what Nancy Grace has said several times.

She says that the purpose of jail/prison sentences is "three pronged":

1. Punishment
2. Rehabilitation
3. Deterrent

It's supposed to be a combination of all three prongs.

JMO

daniel green · #36 04-12-2008, 09:06 PM

"There was no evidentiary or evidentiary reason to obtain CL's dna."

donna · #37 04-12-2008, 09:07 PM

Christina did not have money to send Cesar, IMO. I think there is much that Christina knew that she has not said, I also tend to think that her swooning little diaries were written by her to leave behind for LE to find when/if she ever went to join Cesar. Just all IMO, but mine nonetheless.

Cesar's location could have been found through the email he sent to Sheriff Brown.

nelkirk · #38 04-12-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Charlotte [*]

Seems it was always Maria who had to miss the formations and events (at least she's the only one mentioned to have in the letter) in order to not be around him, even though the order to stay away from her applied to him. He was ordered to stay 1000 feet from her, she had the option of being excused from his presence if he failed to be the one to stay away. Something about that just doesn't seem right. IMO

Neither one attended the Christmas party, though. [/*]

http://media.mgnetwork.com/nct/image...equestions.pdf
From page 3
A 5

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In addition, they were directed not to attend formations or unit events of any type (formal or informal) where one or the other expected to be present.

A7

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In addition, the MPO directed LCPL Lauterbach and CPL Laurean to not attend formations or unit events of any type, formal or informal, where one or the other was anticipated to be present.

This was directed to both CPL Laurean and LCPL Lauterbach not to attend if the other would be present. Neither one was to attend...

baywench · #39 04-12-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by daniel green [*]"There was no evidentiary or evidentiary reason to obtain CL's dna." [/*]

SavannahStar · #40 04-12-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by aubrey04 [*]I've read through all of your posts and couldn't keep up. There are some interesting theories being thrown out, which I won't discount until Laurean goes to trial and we see the evidence.. but I am not 100% sure that Christina was not involved in some fashion, but that's for the cops to explore - not me. I am VERY interested to know how long the emails between Christina and Cesar had been going on. We shall see.

A few people were debating the merits of sentencing and punishment. I would like to add what Nancy Grace has said several times.

She says that the purpose of jail/prison sentences is "three pronged":

1. Punishment
2. Rehabilitation
3. Deterrent

It's supposed to be a combination of all three prongs.

JMO [/*]

Hey if Nancy Grace said the sky is blue, sorry but I'd say, "no way, uh uh, it is not." (A little humor.....but true....for the evening.)