Thursday April 10, 2007 Lauterbach Daily

[CANDYKISSES]

Well, another day and no real news.

Lindell Kay is discussing Maria's car on "Off the Cuff" and maybe Captain Sutherland will weigh in at some point.

There are some interesting theories out there concerning the car barring some evidence of partner it had to present a problem IMO and needed to be in a location that fit the left town of her own accord scenario presuming that is what Cesar and any helper were working on. JMO tho.


MOVING JAN & MW5's posts over for continuing conversation....


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Originally posted by marinewife5 [*]

Really people? Nothing? Something new and no one has anything to say? [/*]
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Thanks, I hadn't seen that.

I hope some poor innocent person didn't get sucked into this crime trying to befriend Cl or CSL. The 1/7 date was about the time IIRC that CL was asked to come in to talk.

(On HIPAA, the privacy rule says a covered entity has to treat a designated "personal representative" the same as the covered individual with respect to uses of personal information with few exceptions (perceived harm, pyschotherpy, etc.) when the patient is still alive and is for health care purposes.

The "personal representative" can also act for a deceased person or the estate.)

I just signed several papers today for vascular surgery next week and went through these specific exemptions. (State law contrary to federal law is preempted.)

http://www.fepblue.org/wasite/wahip...-hipbluemar06-1

In some cases, a patient will have a personal representative. A personal representative is someone who is speaking for the patient or making medical and health care decisions for patient at a time when he/she cannot make these decisions for themselves. Simply put – a patient can give another person permission to speak for them. This is often through a legal document that the patient has signed. This permission can also be given to a family member or a friend by a court.

If a person has permission from a court or a legal document to act for the deceased person a hospital, doctor or health insurer must talk to the personal representative. If you are acting as a personal representative you have a legal right to the patient's confidential information. This means that the doctor must talk to you about your family member or friend and provide you with any reasonable information you need to do your work for the court or to pay medical bills and other similar work.


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[caejde]

Good morning. Scillak had just posted in yesterday's thread about the car being found at the Checkers. If I'm not mistaken, the parking lots for Checkers and the bus station are side by side.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by caejde [*]Good morning. Scillak had just posted in yesterday's thread about the car being found at the Checkers. If I'm not mistaken, the parking lots for Checkers and the bus station are side by side. [/*]

IIRC they are.

Here is the link to Lindell's blog discussing the car:

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=27

I think everybody was wondering where it was from 12/14 until 1/7. Thoughts?

Oh, he also has a piece about the ever-changing Myspace that belonged to Maria.

[donna]

Good morning, everyone! Thanks for the new thread CANDY!

I am very curious about where Maria's car was until someone parked it at the bus station!

WHERE is CAL? He is like a chameleon. Each pic of his looks different to me. I keep hoping to wake up to the news that he has been captured.

[caejde]

I have no idea where the car could have been. I do remember in the first round of questions that Sutherland said they knew the car wasn't there the whole time.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

IIRC they are.

Here is the link to Lindell's blog discussing the car:

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=27

I think everybody was wondering where it was from 12/14 until 1/7. Thoughts?

Oh, he also has a piece about the ever-changing Myspace that belonged to Maria. [/*]

Good Morning All!

The dates given from December 14th until January 7th when found is Captain Sutherland's speak isms, which we all know that sometimes LE speaks in cryptic words.

I don't think any of us believes the car was at the bus station area parking lot on the 14th. Maria was seen driving away and that makes sense because she used her vehicle to do her tasks that day and imo she was in her own vehicle when she went to Laurean's home. So just by excluding that one day CS is factually right in his dates of 12-14 to 1-7-08.

I do believe that her car was parked at Laurean's on the 14th. The thing we don't know at that particular time...was the garage in the same condition as it was a month later. I tend to believe it wasn't and could very well hold one vehicle, especially Maria's car which was not large but smaller.

He had no recourse but to remove her vehicle from the scene once he had the opportunity to do so. I believe that was the day that he was seen backing out of the driveway in the car. IMO, if he had rushed to park it somewhere else before CSL came home then he certainly would not have returned with it to his own home but taken it directly to the area parking lot where it was found. So, imo, I don't think the car was but in two different places...his home and then to the area parking lot where one of the workers at the fast food place said it had been there since the 15th. Now how he got back home is a mystery and one I hope we learn.

I think CS knows that Maria's car was not where it was found during the dates given and he knows that Maria drove it there on De. 14th and that is where it was on the 14th and for some period of time on the morning of the 15th possibly. Later it was taken from there to the parking lot area.

imoo

[donna]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

Good Morning All!

The dates given from December 14th until January 7th when found is Captain Sutherland's speak isms, which we all know that sometimes LE speaks in cryptic words.

I don't think any of us believes the car was at the bus station area parking lot on the 14th. Maria was seen driving away and that makes sense because she used her vehicle to do her tasks that day and imo she was in her own vehicle when she went to Laurean's home. So just by excluding that one day CS is factually right in his dates of 12-14 to 1-7-08.

I do believe that her car was parked at Laurean's on the 14th. The thing we don't know at that particular time...was the garage in the same condition as it was a month later. I tend to believe it wasn't and could very well hold one vehicle, especially Maria's car which was not large but smaller.

He had no recourse but to remove her vehicle from the scene once he had the opportunity to do so. I believe that was the day that he was seen backing out of the driveway in the car. IMO, if he had rushed to park it somewhere else before CSL came home then he certainly would not have returned with it to his own home but taken it directly to the area parking lot where it was found. So, imo, I don't think the car was but in two different places...his home and then to the area parking lot where one of the workers at the fast food place said it had been there since the 15th. Now how he got back home is a mystery and one I hope we learn.

I think CS knows that Maria's car was not where it was found during the dates given and he knows that Maria drove it there on De. 14th and that is where it was on the 14th and for some period of time on the morning of the 15th possibly. Later it was taken from there to the parking lot area.

imoo [/*]

Good morning, GB!
I do not think CAL moved Maria's car from his home on the 14th either! He would not have had time to do all he had to do, then move the car as well. I also believe that CSL knew darn well what Maria's car looked like. As another poster stated yesterday - we do not know what was in the Laureans garage on the 14th. Heck, if the dining room table and chairs were in the dining room instead of the gatage at that time, then IMO there would have been room for Maria's car!
MOO

[SavannahStar]

"They know a whole lot more than they will ever say before the trial."

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=27

Been sayin that all along.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

Good Morning All!

The dates given from December 14th until January 7th when found is Captain Sutherland's speak isms, which we all know that sometimes LE speaks in cryptic words.

I don't think any of us believes the car was at the bus station area parking lot on the 14th. Maria was seen driving away and that makes sense because she used her vehicle to do her tasks that day and imo she was in her own vehicle when she went to Laurean's home. So just by excluding that one day CS is factually right in his dates of 12-14 to 1-7-08.

I do believe that her car was parked at Laurean's on the 14th. The thing we don't know at that particular time...was the garage in the same condition as it was a month later. I tend to believe it wasn't and could very well hold one vehicle, especially Maria's car which was not large but smaller.

He had no recourse but to remove her vehicle from the scene once he had the opportunity to do so. I believe that was the day that he was seen backing out of the driveway in the car. IMO, if he had rushed to park it somewhere else before CSL came home then he certainly would not have returned with it to his own home but taken it directly to the area parking lot where it was found. So, imo, I don't think the car was but in two different places...his home and then to the area parking lot where one of the workers at the fast food place said it had been there since the 15th. Now how he got back home is a mystery and one I hope we learn.

I think CS knows that Maria's car was not where it was found during the dates given and he knows that Maria drove it there on De. 14th and that is where it was on the 14th and for some period of time on the morning of the 15th possibly. Later it was taken from there to the parking lot area.

imoo [/*]

Hmmm, I don't think he's saying that the car was at the bus station parking lot from 12/15 until 1/7 either. Apparently, Lindell doesn't think so either.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

"They know a whole lot more than they will ever say before the trial."

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=27

Been sayin that all along. [/*]

Good Morning SS!

I must need more Coke Classic this morning....lol....I am not getting why that is such a surprising thing. We all know in all cases that LE and DA no more than we do about any case and will not divulge what they have.

Like right now I do believe CS does know that Maria's car was at the Laurean home on the 14th and was possibly removed on the 15th and taken to the parking lot. I don't expect CS to divulge that information however even if true.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

Hmmm, I don't think he's saying that the car was at the bus station parking lot from 12/15 until 1/7 either. Apparently, Lindell doesn't think so either.

[/*]

I didn't get the impression. I will go read it again.

The dates given are from December 14th until 1-7-08 and it is obvious to me anyway it was not there for the entire time date that has been given. One or two days would still make the car not there from the 14th .........until found.

imoo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

I didn't get the impression. I will go read it again.

The dates given are from December 14th until 1-7-08 and it is obvious to me anyway it was not there for the entire time date that has been given. One or two days would still make the car not there from the 14th .........until found.

imoo

[/*]

I dunno, I get the impression that it's more than one or two days off.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

I dunno, I get the impression that it's more than one or two days off.

[/*]

LOL Who really knows.

I just think because LE first came out and said it had been parked there the entire time...they have now determined it wasn't and at the first it was somewhere else.....therefore making it not be there the entire time from Dec. 14th until found. JMO tho. lol

imoo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

LOL Who really knows.

I just think because LE first came out and said it had been parked there the entire time...

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imoo [/*]

Which just really begs the question of what else LE has put out there on this case that just ain't so.

[strick10]

Morning everyone.

The important thing now, though, is where was the car between Dec. 14 and Jan. 7?

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=27

Quoting Flavor Flavs word....... Woooooowwwww! IMO: There's someone else other than CAL and possibly CSL involved in the entire scope of the murder.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

Good Morning SS!

I must need more Coke Classic this morning....lol....I am not getting why that is such a surprising thing. We all know in all cases that LE and DA no more than we do about any case and will not divulge what they have.

*snipped*

[/*]

I guess I kinda smiled about it because I related it to how I feel LE knows much more about Christina and her timeline than they are saying, and that we know of......a bit in line with my posts about that subject yesterday.

Hope your day goes well, GB!

[nuttintodo]

Maria's car could have been in the Laurean's garage on the 14th, since we aren't aware of the state of their garage during the time Maria went missing and was murdered.

We only know what their garage looked like on 1/11/08 when the LE arrived.

We do have the neighbor's saying they saw Laurean driving Maria's car sometime during or after the 12/14 timeframe (paraphrasing of course). These neighbor's also recall that CSL's car was gone during part of this time too.

But any way you slice or dice it, Maria's car wasn't at the bus station the entire time. Whoever parked her car back at the bus station did that purposely---THIS PERSON wanted her car found. If the person or persons involved didn't want her car found, they could have simply parked it down some seldom travelled road and left it there.

I feel this was done to carry on the story that Maria had gone UA.

As to where her car was parked prior to 1/7/08, her car could have been parked any number of places....Walmart parking lot, an apartment complex, Lowe's parking lot, Home Depot, the list is endless.

Remember there was also the For Sale sign in her car too.

jmo

[scillak]

Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

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I feel this was done to carry on the story that Maria had gone UA.

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jmo [/*]

I agree. I know that when they said her car was found, I thought she had run-off and I was hoping they'd stop covering it actually so the poor girl wouldn't be humiliated (run-away bride syndrome).

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]Maria's car could have been in the Laurean's garage on the 14th, since we aren't aware of the state of their garage during the time Maria went missing and was murdered.

We only know what their garage looked like on 1/11/08 when the LE arrived.

We do have the neighbor's saying they saw Laurean driving Maria's car sometime during or after the 12/14 timeframe (paraphrasing of course). These neighbor's also recall that CSL's car was gone during part of this time too.

But any way you slice or dice it, Maria's car wasn't at the bus station the entire time. Whoever parked her car back at the bus station did that purposely---THIS PERSON wanted her car found. If the person or persons involved didn't want her car found, they could have simply parked it down some seldom travelled road and left it there.

I feel this was done to carry on the story that Maria had gone UA.

As to where her car was parked prior to 1/7/08, her car could have been parked any number of places....Walmart parking lot, an apartment complex, Lowe's parking lot, Home Depot, the list is endless.

Remember there was also the For Sale sign in her car too.

jmo [/*]

Hi, nuttin!

ITA with every word!

[scillak]

Nuttintodo mentioned the car "for sale" sign. Wouldn't we all love to know if it was Maria's writing. I'm guessing it's not. This is out there, but.....since Mr. Allander and that other man each mentioned that they thought the car belonged to someone they knew at first....I just think one of them might have noticed that sign in the back window. A stretch, I know.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]Maria's car could have been in the Laurean's garage on the 14th, since we aren't aware of the state of their garage during the time Maria went missing and was murdered.

We only know what their garage looked like on 1/11/08 when the LE arrived.

We do have the neighbor's saying they saw Laurean driving Maria's car sometime during or after the 12/14 timeframe (paraphrasing of course). These neighbor's also recall that CSL's car was gone during part of this time too.

But any way you slice or dice it, Maria's car wasn't at the bus station the entire time. Whoever parked her car back at the bus station did that purposely---THIS PERSON wanted her car found. If the person or persons involved didn't want her car found, they could have simply parked it down some seldom traveled road and left it there.

I feel this was done to carry on the story that Maria had gone UA.

As to where her car was parked prior to 1/7/08, her car could have been parked any number of places....Walmart parking lot, an apartment complex, Lowe's parking lot, Home Depot, the list is endless.

Remember there was also the For Sale sign in her car too.

jmo [/*]

Hi Nuttin!

Since Maria had the sign in her window.........couldn't OCSD have received calls from those that may have tried to call the number listed on the sign who may have been interested in the car? They would be able to tell them when they called and left a voice mail and where the vehicle was at the time they saw it, right?

I am not even interested in buying a vehicle but I do admit when I see one that has a "for sale" sign in it .......I do look at it and notice it.

I just don't know if it would be feasible for someone to be parking lot hopping.

I always felt where it was left was to make it appear that she had taken the bus. In fact some areas will let you leave your car there if you are leaving on a bus. Maybe the bus agent didn't think much about it and thought Maria didn't know exactly when she would be returning and may buy a one way ticket back to Jacksonville. I am sure when others are heading out on 10 day leaves that some of them leave their vehicles close around there so they can have it when they return.

imoo

[donna]

Way back, IIRC, there was something mentioned about fraud in relation to Maria's vehicle. Does anyone else remember that? Seems like it was listed on either the U. S. Marshall's site or AMW somewhere.



ETA: I am going to go look for it!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by donna [*]Way back, IIRC, there was something mentioned about fraud in relation to Maria's vehicle. Does anyone else remember that? Seems like it was listed on either the U. S. Marshall's site or AMW somewhere.

[/*]

I don't remember anything about that Donna. Sure not saying that wasn't mentioned..........I could have missed it.

Really, not too much as even been said about her vehicle that I can remember.

He wasn't charged with any offense concerning her vehicle.

imoo

[scillak]

I'm contradicting myself, but, I guess Maria could have written that sign in preparation for leaving, even if it wasn't in the window when the neighbor's noticed the car. She could have planned to tape it up at the last minute.

I'll tell you what, though. If she had been at all concerned about the MC looking for her, she would have been foolish to let her car sit out in the open with a for sale sign on it. Do ya'll thnk she would have been considering that if she were planning to run off?

[donna]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

I don't remember anything about that Donna. Sure not saying that wasn't mentioned..........I could have missed it.

Really, not too much as even been said about her vehicle that I can remember.

He wasn't charged with any offense concerning her vehicle.

imoo [/*]

Thanks, GB!
I am going to go look for it. Seems we had a discussion on this board about it one day.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by scillak [*]I'm contradicting myself, but, I guess Maria could have written that sign in preparation for leaving, even if it wasn't in the window when the neighbor's noticed the car. She could have planned to tape it up at the last minute.

I'll tell you what, though. If she had been at all concerned about the MC looking for her, she would have been foolish to let her car sit out in the open with a for sale sign on it. Do ya'll think she would have been considering that if she were planning to run off? [/*]

It is very hard to say.........we would have to place ourselves in Maria's mindset at the time all this was happening.

Personally, I think Maria wasn't thinking rationally or logically. She may have had the car up for sale for awhile even listing it on the bulletin board at the base imo.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by donna [*]

Thanks, GB!
I am going to go look for it. Seems we had a discussion on this board about it one day. [/*]

Great! Sometimes it is good to have a refresher course. lol

imoo

[scillak]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

It is very hard to say.........we would have to place ourselves in Maria's mindset at the time all this was happening.

Personally, I think Maria wasn't thinking rationally or logically. She may have had the car up for sale for awhile even listing it on the bulletin board at the base imo.

imoo [/*]

Very true. Right after I posted, I thought of that. We don't know how rational/logical she was at the time. So, I've contradicted myself again, LOL. I really am like Hank Kimball.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by scillak [*]

Very true. Right after I posted, I thought of that. We don't know how rational/logical she was at the time. So, I've contradicted myself again, LOL. I really am like Hank Kimball. [/*]

I think you are pretty cool.

We are all bouncing our thoughts around about the case back and forth scillak....lol

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

Hi Nuttin!

Since Maria had the sign in her window.........couldn't OCSD have received calls from those that may have tried to call the number listed on the sign who may have been interested in the car? They would be able to tell them when they called and left a voice mail and where the vehicle was at the time they saw it, right?

I am not even interested in buying a vehicle but I do admit when I see one that has a "for sale" sign in it .......I do look at it and notice it.

I just don't know if it would be feasible for someone to be parking lot hopping.

I always felt where it was left was to make it appear that she had taken the bus. In fact some areas will let you leave your car there if you are leaving on a bus. Maybe the bus agent didn't think much about it and thought Maria didn't know exactly when she would be returning and may buy a one way ticket back to Jacksonville. I am sure when others are heading out on 10 day leaves that some of them leave their vehicles close around there so they can have it when they return.

imoo [/*]

Most likely anyone who called the number listed on the sign got her voice mail since her phone was possibly off. OCSD probably has that record and has tracked down those calls.

I really don't think Laurean was parking lot hopping with her car. He either parked her car somewhere (other than the garage) after 12/14 and possibly had someone drop him off to retrieve her car later.

But more than likely, Laurean moved her car to the bus station sometime after Maria was reported UA (was that on 12/17 or afterwards?).

jmoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by scillak [*]I'm contradicting myself, but, I guess Maria could have written that sign in preparation for leaving, even if it wasn't in the window when the neighbor's noticed the car. She could have planned to tape it up at the last minute.

I'll tell you what, though. If she had been at all concerned about the MC looking for her, she would have been foolish to let her car sit out in the open with a for sale sign on it. Do ya'll thnk she would have been considering that if she were planning to run off? [/*]

Maybe. However, if someone wanted to test drive the for sale car who had the keys? I don't think many people would just buy a car based on looks so a test drive is part of the sale. If Maria was the only one with the keys who would she send them to? Did she leave a 2nd set with someone else? The latter is doubtful as then someone would've already come forward to explain what possessed Maria to leave. Certainly she wouldn't send them to an unknown potential buyer and risk the car being stolen.

Originally posted by donna [*]Way back, IIRC, there was something mentioned about fraud in relation to Maria's vehicle. Does anyone else remember that? Seems like it was listed on either the U. S. Marshall's site or AMW somewhere.



ETA: I am going to go look for it! [/*]

He's been indicted on "car fraud" charges, but that is very possibly supposed to be "card fraud" in relation to her bank card.

[donna]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

Great! Sometimes it is good to have a refresher course. lol

imoo [/*]

I apologize, everyone! I am the one badly needing a refresher course! It had been the way it was worded. I remember now from just now looking at the NCIS wanted list. We had discussed that it had to mean card fraud!

... Having a CRS moment!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Charlotte [*]

He's been indicted on "car fraud" charges, but that is very possibly supposed to be "card fraud" in relation to her bank card. [/*]

Ah, I think you are right.

He wasn't indicted on car fraud but was for carD fraud.

Thanks,

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by donna [*]

Thanks, GB!
I am going to go look for it. Seems we had a discussion on this board about it one day. [/*]

AMW had on their site the following:

Information valid as of last update.
First-Degree Murder, Jacksonville, NC; Dec 2007

Robbery With A Dangerous Weapon ; Dec 2007

First-Degree Car Theft ; Dec 14, 2007

Fraud ; Dec 2007

Attempted Car Fraud ; Dec 2007

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=52333

But that is wrong info, where it states CAR it should be CARD.

I emailed the webmaster way back when and it still hasn't been changed.

[scillak]

Originally posted by strick10 [*]

Maybe. However, if someone wanted to test drive the for sale car who had the keys? I don't think many people would just buy a car based on looks so a test drive is part of the sale. If Maria was the only one with the keys who would she send them to? Did she leave a 2nd set with someone else? The latter is doubtful as then someone would've already come forward to explain what possessed Maria to leave. Certainly she wouldn't send them to an unknown potential buyer and risk the car being stolen. [/*]

That is an excellent point.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

Most likely anyone who called the number listed on the sign got her voice mail since her phone was possibly off. OCSD probably has that record and has tracked down those calls.

I really don't think Laurean was parking lot hopping with her car. He either parked her car somewhere (other than the garage) after 12/14 and possibly had someone drop him off to retrieve her car later.

But more than likely, Laurean moved her car to the bus station sometime after Maria was reported UA (was that on 12/17 or afterwards?).

jmoo [/*]

Didn't you speak with someone who said the For Sale sign was in her handwriting?

She may have had it in the window for a couple of weeks and then took it down when she didn't get any calls on it. That's just it, we don't know when it was written or how long it stayed in the window.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

Didn't you speak with someone who said the For Sale sign was in her handwriting?

She may have had it in the window for a couple of weeks and then took it down when she didn't get any calls on it. That's just it, we don't know when it was written or how long it stayed in the window. [/*]

Yes I did...I was told it was Maria's handwriting. That was the day I was also told that her family had decided to let the car go back to MFCU.

And before anyone asks who I got this from...this came from someone who would know at the Sheriff's Department and NO I will not name that person here!

jmoo

Got to run, have an appointment.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

AMW had on their site the following:

Information valid as of last update.
First-Degree Murder, Jacksonville, NC; Dec 2007

Robbery With A Dangerous Weapon ; Dec 2007

First-Degree Car Theft ; Dec 14, 2007

Fraud ; Dec 2007

Attempted Car Fraud ; Dec 2007

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=52333

But that is wrong info, where it states CAR it should be CARD.

I emailed the webmaster way back when and it still hasn't been changed. [/*]

Thanks, Nuttin.

I wonder why they never corrected it. They should know by now what he was indicted on.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

Yes I did...I was told it was Maria's handwriting. That was the day I was also told that her family had decided to let the car go back to MFCU.

And before anyone asks who I got this from...this came from someone who would know at the Sheriff's Department and NO I will not name that person here!

jmoo

Got to run, have an appointment. [/*]

See ya later!