April 7, 8

CANDYKISSES · #1 04-07-2008, 09:43 AM

Good morning. It looks like Lindell Kaye is working on a new crime blog where people can interact and gather information too.

Hopefully it will be a useful tool for the community who are so hoping for the capture of Cesar Laurean.

Hopefully Captain Sutherland will do some kind of update soon on the possibiities of good tips coming in from AMW.

I think some posters are looking for a link that addresses SB saying they thought Maria went to the house willingly. So if anyone remembers or has it, if you put it up it will be appreciated.

Still hanging on to hope for this crime to be solved.

JMO

SavannahStar · #2 04-07-2008, 10:00 AM

Lynn is looking for that link too.

I don't recall myself that he said he thought she went willingly. But I know a number of us on here assumed that from other pieces of information.

CANDYKISSES · #3 04-07-2008, 10:17 AM

Unfortunately so much of this case is depending on when it was said as we went back and forth in the early stages with information LE was receiving IMO.

However, we know CS confirmed contact between Cesar and Maria and that there was no kidnapping charge levied with the other charges. IMO that was a move to possibly let us know there was a reason for no kidnapping charges, but that is nothing more than my opinion after reading his answer to that question coupled with some of his evasive answers to other questions.

AGAIN JMO.

crymeariver2006 · #4 04-07-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]Good morning. It looks like Lindell Kaye is working on a new crime blog where people can interact and gather information too.

Hopefully it will be a useful tool for the community who are so hoping for the capture of Cesar Laurean.

Hopefully Captain Sutherland will do some kind of update soon on the possibiities of good tips coming in from AMW.

I think some posters are looking for a link that addresses SB saying they thought Maria went to the house willingly. So if anyone remembers or has it, if you put it up it will be appreciated.

Still hanging on to hope for this crime to be solved.

JMO [/*]

Thanks for bringing that up! I responded to Lynn's post, the phone rang, and by the time I hit "submit" the thread was closed.

Anyway, as I remember it...it was during one of the pc's (and I'm thinking it was right after the indictment) someone asked how they believed Maria ended up at Cesar's house and the reply was "the best evidence that we have indicates that she went there on her own" or "on her own accord". Words to that effect because again, this is just my best recollection.

Relying solely on memory here, but IIRC it was posted (not as a link, but as the pc was going on) and I wasn't the only one that heard it or commented on it.

That's narrowing down the timeline as close as I can, but I'm pretty sure that it was in reference to the indictment or shortly thereafter because there were no kidnapping charges filed.

GentleBreeze · #5 04-07-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]Good morning. It looks like Lindell Kaye is working on a new crime blog where people can interact and gather information too.

Hopefully it will be a useful tool for the community who are so hoping for the capture of Cesar Laurean.

Hopefully Captain Sutherland will do some kind of update soon on the possibilities of good tips coming in from AMW.

I think some posters are looking for a link that addresses SB saying they thought Maria went to the house willingly. So if anyone remembers or has it, if you put it up it will be appreciated.

Still hanging on to hope for this crime to be solved.

JMO [/*]

Good Morning All!

I am not sure LE has come out and stated that. It has been so long now it is really hard to remember back but it seems Trace Gallagher was in front of the Laurean home when he did a segment and he retraced what he said "LE inside sources" had told him and he talked about the ATM withdrawal, bus ticket and then coming to the Laurean home. IIRC he said something about she parked in the driveway (where he was standing at the time of the interview iirc).

But as Savannah has posted there are other things that also make one lean toward she came willingly imo. Just like when CS immediately came out and quashed the misinformation in the media about Maria being threatened when she made the ATM withdrawal nor did Laurean threaten Maria to give up her credit card information and only took the card after Maria's death. Also the big factor for me is there have been no kidnapping charges lodged against Laurean and kidnapping is a much more serious charge than a misdemeanor fraud charge when he attempted to use her card on 12-24.

Sutherland confuses me at times. The manhunt is handled through the FBI and US Marshall's office. Onslow County is not going out of their perimeters to search for him and usually when asked about that side of the investigation he declines to answer on the fugitive part of it. Yet he goes to AMW to answer the tip line. Will he once again say he can't comment on that part of the investigation because that is under another jurisdiction? So we may learn nothing even if there were viable tips. The Feds are always tight lipped.

imoo

#6 04-07-2008, 10:39 AM

The only thing we will hear is when Cesar is caught. There is just NO WAY we will find anything out about the tips. imo

CANDYKISSES · #7 04-07-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

Thanks for bringing that up! I responded to Lynn's post, the phone rang, and by the time I hit "submit" the thread was closed.

Anyway, as I remember it...it was during one of the pc's (and I'm thinking it was right after the indictment) someone asked how they believed Maria ended up at Cesar's house and the reply was "the best evidence that we have indicates that she went there on her own" or "on her own accord". Words to that effect because again, this is just my best recollection.

Relying solely on memory here, but IIRC it was posted (not as a link, but as the pc was going on) and I wasn't the only one that heard it or commented on it.

That's narrowing down the timeline as close as I can, but I'm pretty sure that it was in reference to the indictment or shortly thereafter because there were no kidnapping charges filed. [/*]

I'm still looking too Cryme. I do remember something that he said indicating he believed she went to the house on her own accord too.

It's just like the other night, I started thinking about the Congressman's letter and suddenly dates and times coupled with the wording made sense and I knew I remembered it all, but couldn't put it together until rereading the letter.

There has been so much, yet so little out there and we have to weigh the value of what we're hearing in this case more often than not. ALL JMO and back to searching.

I'm going through the Ohio papers now.

GentleBreeze · #8 04-07-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

Thanks for bringing that up! I responded to Lynn's post, the phone rang, and by the time I hit "submit" the thread was closed.

Anyway, as I remember it...it was during one of the pc's (and I'm thinking it was right after the indictment) someone asked how they believed Maria ended up at Cesar's house and the reply was "the best evidence that we have indicates that she went there on her own" or "on her own accord". Words to that effect because again, this is just my best recollection.

Relying solely on memory here, but IIRC it was posted (not as a link, but as the pc was going on) and I wasn't the only one that heard it or commented on it.

That's narrowing down the timeline as close as I can, but I'm pretty sure that it was in reference to the indictment or shortly thereafter because there were no kidnapping charges filed. [/*]

Now that you have mentioned it Cryme, I do remember the press asking them why kidnapping charges weren't filed against him and this was their answer.

I do think they have no evidence at all that shows she was forced to come there. It may be as simple as the prior contact before coming there was initiated by Maria instead of Laurean. I have always felt the communication evidence of all kinds will be a major factor in this case.

imo

CANDYKISSES · #9 04-07-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

Good Morning All!

I am not sure LE has come out and stated that. It has been so long now it is really hard to remember back but it seems Trace Gallagher was in front of the Laurean home when he did a segment and he retraced what he said "LE inside sources" had told him and he talked about the ATM withdrawal, bus ticket and then coming to the Laurean home. IIRC he said something about she parked in the driveway (where he was standing at the time of the interview iirc).

But as Savannah has posted there are other things that also make one lean toward she came willingly imo. Just like when CS immediately came out and quashed the misinformation in the media about Maria being threatened when she made the ATM withdrawal nor did Laurean threaten Maria to give up her credit card information and only took the card after Maria's death. Also the big factor for me is there have been no kidnapping charges lodged against Laurean and kidnapping is a much more serious charge than a misdemeanor fraud charge when he attempted to use her card on 12-24.

Sutherland confuses me at times. The manhunt is handled through the FBI and US Marshall's office. Onslow County is not going out of their perimeters to search for him and usually when asked about that side of the investigation he declines to answer on the fugitive part of it. Yet he goes to AMW to answer the tip line. Will he once again say he can't comment on that part of the investigation because that is under another jurisdiction? So we may learn nothing even if there were viable tips. The Feds are always tight lipped.

imoo [/*]

Morning hope you're feeling better.

Now we may be getting a taste of that rivalry that exists between the various agencies and perhaps the lines have been drawn.

You know that happens when it involves more than one agency until everyone feels comfortable working together and has their connecting sources. I liken it to feeling their way around but that is JMO.

I think Sutherland is walking a tight rope right now and trying to comply with everyone from the other agencies to his own boss to the community he represents. ALL JMO.

I look forward to hearing something about AMW and what kind of calls they received, credible or not.

ALL JMO.

sexxytazz · #10 04-07-2008, 10:47 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/07/...ine/index.html

Early on, Maria Lauterbach knew exactly what she wanted to do in life.

"After high school, I am going into the Marines," a smiling Lauterbach, dressed in her high school soccer uniform, says in a video made available exclusively to CNN. "I'll probably be doing that for 20 or 25 years, and then hopefully after that, becoming a cop."

Video... http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/07/...ml#cnnSTCVideo

Video with Mary wanting answers.... http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/07/...ml#cnnSTCVideo

CANDYKISSES · #11 04-07-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

Now that you have mentioned it Cryme, I do remember the press asking them why kidnapping charges weren't filed against him and this was their answer.

I do think they have no evidence at all that shows she was forced to come there. It may be as simple as the prior contact before coming there was initiated by Maria instead of Laurean. I have always felt the communication evidence of all kinds will be a major factor in this case.

imo

[/*]

Ditto and I am praying this was a up and coming TEXTING GROUP as I see so many young people texting all the time. JMO.

I also think there might be email exchanges that will help out.

strick10 · #12 04-07-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by Squawk Box [*]The only thing we will hear is when Cesar is caught. There is just NO WAY we will find anything out about the tips. imo

[/*]

I agree. To give out any tip info will only give CAL the advantage to stay ahead of the game. I wouldn't doubt that CAL watches what is being said probably via internet.

SavannahStar · #13 04-07-2008, 10:52 AM

New today on cnn:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/07/...ine/index.html

#14 04-07-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]New today on cnn:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/07/...ine/index.html [/*]

Thanks for the link. I wonder why the Marines have not answered the congressman's questions? If they did everything right it shouldn't take this long. Kudos to Mary for getting a lawyer and pushing for answers. This is for other female marines in the future.

JMO

#15 04-07-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by strick10 [*]

I agree. To give out any tip info will only give CAL the advantage to stay ahead of the game. I wouldn't doubt that CAL watches what is being said probably via internet. [/*]

I agree. Being in Mexico does not stop his access to TV and the Internet. JMO

I wonder what he thought of himself on AMW?

GentleBreeze · #16 04-07-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by Squawk Box [*]

I agree. Being in Mexico does not stop his access to TV and the Internet. JMO

I wonder what he thought of himself on AMW? [/*]

Well it sure gave him a heads up and not to wear a beard like they showed.

imoo

SavannahStar · #17 04-07-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

Well it sure gave him a heads up and not to wear a beard like they showed.

imoo [/*]

He probably laughed at that too!

strick10 · #18 04-07-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

He probably laughed at that too! [/*]

Yuppers he probably did.

#19 04-07-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]Unfortunately so much of this case is depending on when it was said as we went back and forth in the early stages with information LE was receiving IMO.

(snipped)

AGAIN JMO.

[/*]

Exactly right. Did Brown make this remark that she went willingly before he rolled to the podium and "lectured" poor Maria to stop the nonsense and return home, or after? Makes a world of difference, imo.

#20 04-07-2008, 11:38 AM

I bet he shaved any facial hair off immediately. LOL That's probably what the FBI wanted him to do. He probably shaved his head too. LOL

crymeariver2006 · #21 04-07-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Regina.Lampert [*]

Exactly right. Did Brown make this remark that she went willingly before he rolled to the podium and "lectured" poor Maria to stop the nonsense and return home, or after? Makes a world of difference, imo. [/*]

It was after her body was found.

I don't see how it could have been before.

ETA: I don't recall that it was Sheriff Brown that said it anyway.

#22 04-07-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

It was after her body was found.

I don't see how it could have been before.

ETA: I don't recall that it was Sheriff Brown that said it anyway. [/*]

Good ole Ed. He always had a way with words.

jmo

caejde · #23 04-07-2008, 12:02 PM

Rewatching some videos. And there is one with Capt. Sutherland and he says they requested that some search warrants be sealed. Wonder what those are.

#24 04-07-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]Rewatching some videos. And there is one with Capt. Sutherland and he says they requested that some search warrants be sealed. Wonder what those are. [/*]

The search warrant at Cesar's I would say is one.

jmo

crymeariver2006 · #25 04-07-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]Rewatching some videos. And there is one with Capt. Sutherland and he says they requested that some search warrants be sealed. Wonder what those are. [/*]

One would be the SW to the Laurean home. Another would be for Maria's car. DD's computer, Maria's cell phone records....

That's just a few off the top of my head.

caejde · #26 04-07-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

One would be the SW to the Laurean home. Another would be for Maria's car. DD's computer, Maria's cell phone records....

That's just a few off the top of my head.

[/*]

Would that include Cesar's truck?

gaelicpeas · #27 04-07-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]
(respectfully snipped)

I think some posters are looking for a link that addresses SB saying they thought Maria went to the house willingly. So if anyone remembers or has it, if you put it up it will be appreciated.
[/*]

My memory of this was from one of the early PCs - either Jan 11 or 12. Someone asked Sheriff Brown how ML got to the Laurean house and he said "she drove" or "she drove there" or something like that. I don't remember the PC Cryme is talking about, but I probably just missed that PC.

JMO

#28 04-07-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

One would be the SW to the Laurean home. Another would be for Maria's car. DD's computer, Maria's cell phone records....

That's just a few off the top of my head.

[/*]

True and all the cell phone records from the parents of Cesar and his relatives would be more. Wire taps if any and the warrant for wire transfers of money. Anything for the bank on financial matters of everyone.

jmo

#29 04-07-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

Would that include Cesar's truck? [/*]

Yes, forgot about that one.

caejde · #30 04-07-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

One would be the SW to the Laurean home. Another would be for Maria's car. DD's computer, Maria's cell phone records....

That's just a few off the top of my head.

[/*]

Those are some of what I was thinking...but I didn't know what all it would include.

#31 04-07-2008, 12:31 PM

I can't wait for the answers to the congressman's letter to the MC. That should be really informative. I sure hope we get to see those answers.

jmo

strick10 · #32 04-07-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by Squawk Box [*]I can't wait for the answers to the congressman's letter to the MC. That should be really informative. I sure hope we get to see those answers.

jmo [/*]

I don't think we'll see the answers unless it's leaked to the media. If the congressman was willing and ready to lay out and publize the questions he should do the same w/ the answers.

Lynn Gweeny · #33 04-07-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by gaelicpeas [*]

My memory of this was from one of the early PCs - either Jan 11 or 12. Someone asked Sheriff Brown how ML got to the Laurean house and he said "she drove" or "she drove there" or something like that. I don't remember the PC Cryme is talking about, but I probably just missed that PC.

JMO [/*]

The 'she drove it there' was an answer to a question posed by a reporter at the PC given by Sheriff Brown on 1/11/2007

QUESTION: Sheriff, I spoke to the man who says he sold Maria Lauterbach that bus ticket. Is that not the case that she ...

BROWN: No, because I just said, she did purchase a ticket, yes. Yes, she did purchase the ticket. But remember, it was not redeemed. It was not used.

QUESTION: How did her car end back up at the bus station?

BROWN: She drove it there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...11/ywt.01.html

gaelicpeas · #34 04-07-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny [*]

The 'she drove it there' was an answer to a question posed by a reporter at the PC given by Sheriff Brown on 1/11/2007

QUESTION: Sheriff, I spoke to the man who says he sold Maria Lauterbach that bus ticket. Is that not the case that she ...

BROWN: No, because I just said, she did purchase a ticket, yes. Yes, she did purchase the ticket. But remember, it was not redeemed. It was not used.

QUESTION: How did her car end back up at the bus station?

BROWN: She drove it there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...11/ywt.01.html [/*]

Thanks, Lynn! I thought he also said "she drove" to the Laurean house, but maybe that is just confused in my mind.

JMO

Lynn Gweeny · #35 04-07-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

Now that you have mentioned it Cryme, I do remember the press asking them why kidnapping charges weren't filed against him and this was their answer.

I do think they have no evidence at all that shows she was forced to come there. It may be as simple as the prior contact before coming there was initiated by Maria instead of Laurean. I have always felt the communication evidence of all kinds will be a major factor in this case.

imo

[/*]

I just re-listened to the PC about the indictment from 1/24/2008 where D.A. Dewey Hudson takes questions from the reporters. The questions are at times difficult to hear but the content of Mr. Hudson's answers gives indications of what the question was about. I also went back to find the thread/discussion during that PC.

After listening, the charge of 'kidnapping' not being included was not addressed by either D.A. Hudson or at the end of the PC by Capt. Sutherland and it appears that no question by any of the reporters was asked regarding that. Here's the link to the video of that PC:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2349115/

Here's the link to the page where discussion begins about there not being an indictment for kidnapping and what that could possibly have meant in regards to no kidnapping charge against Laurean.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...&pagenumber=13 (starting with the post by BobbysGirl towards the end of the page)

strick10 · #36 04-07-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by gaelicpeas [*]

Thanks, Lynn! I thought he also said "she drove" to the Laurean house, but maybe that is just confused in my mind.

JMO [/*]

No gpeas you're not confused. I remember that he said that she drove to the L's home. I'll help look for that when I finish my drawings.

gaelicpeas · #37 04-07-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny [*]

I just re-listened to the PC about the indictment from 1/24/2008 where D.A. Dewey Hudson takes questions from the reporters. The questions are at times difficult to hear but the content of Mr. Hudson's answers gives indications of what the question was about. I also went back to find the thread/discussion during that PC.

After listening, the charge of 'kidnapping' not being included was not addressed by either D.A. Hudson or at the end of the PC by Capt. Sutherland and it appears that no question by any of the reporters was asked regarding that. Here's the link to the video of that PC:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2349115/

Here's the link to the page where discussion begins about there not being an indictment for kidnapping and what that could possibly have meant in regards to no kidnapping charge against Laurean.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...&pagenumber=13 (starting with the post by BobbysGirl towards the end of the page) [/*]

Thanks, Lynn...

crymeariver2006 · #38 04-07-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by strick10 [*]

No gpeas you're not confused. I remember that he said that she drove to the L's home. I'll help look for that when I finish my drawings. [/*]

I heard it too, but can't remember when and who said it. Apparently it WASN'T at the indictment pc (hat tip Lynn).

Honestly, if I had never heard it, I wouldn't be repeating it but that's just me.

gaelicpeas · #39 04-07-2008, 01:14 PM

I must say that it is odd for Sheriff Brown to say ML drove her car back to the bus station - wasn't she dead then? Or do they think CL and ML went back to the bus station a second time and then CL brought her back to his house? If so, that shortens the timeline even further (to something like 15 minutes!). This case is confusing....

JMO

(edited to add: I am not questioning your link, Lynn! I am just questioning Sheriff Brown and why he thinks that!)

gaelicpeas · #40 04-07-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

I heard it too, but can't remember when and who said it. Apparently it WASN'T at the indictment pc (hat tip Lynn).

Honestly, if I had never heard it, I wouldn't be repeating it but that's just me.

[/*]

I believe you, Cryme. My memory of what I heard was a very terse response to the reporter's question - just "she drove" or something. He was getting rapid-fire questions and seemed a little frustrated.

JMO