Michelle Young, Re-re opened

[Kat4Eagles]

CW said we could give this another try!!

Today is the birthday for little 4 year old C. Young, Michelle and Jason's daughter,

While there is nothing new or breaking or earth shattering, there are rumors around about what the Valentine's Day s/w's contained for the homes that were searched of Jason Young.

It really troubles me that whatever they needed would take this long to get around searching for, and how could they expect anything to still be intact or in the same condition.

Maybe they just needed to check something out in order to clear him, once and for all.

Any~wayz, Happy Birthday...."C", and thank you, CW.

Kat

[JD1974]

I wanted to post a Happy Birthday to C. This has to be the hardest time, worse than any of the other holidays because this is the day Mommy brought her into the world and now Mommy isn't there to celebrate with her. I can't imagine missing my son's 4th birthday last month and I can't and don't want to imagine how he would of felt if I had missed it.


My sincere hope is that by her next birthday the murderer of her Mommy is caught and brought to justice.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JD1974 [*]I wanted to post a Happy Birthday to C. This has to be the hardest time, worse than any of the other holidays because this is the day Mommy brought her into the world and now Mommy isn't there to celebrate with her. I can't imagine missing my son's 4th birthday last month and I can't and don't want to imagine how he would of felt if I had missed it.


My sincere hope is that by her next birthday the murderer of her Mommy is caught and brought to justice. [/*]

Hi JD......

I hope she has a happy day under the circumstances, with balloons, a cake and all kinds of presents.

I hope everyone around her will try and make it as happy and normal for her as possible.

And, I hope her Mother's killer is caught soon too.

The way the investigation is going leads me to believe there is something that makes it impossible for Jason to be involved.

Something that explains why this crime does not fit.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

My sincere hope is that by her next birthday the murderer of her Mommy is caught and brought to justice. [/*][/quote]

I was reading some of the s/w's today, and I am wondering if L E had ever considered MM as the motive when they found out she and Jason were communicating by emails and phone, and then if later on, it turned out to be much more innocent, they had to look at other motives.

I never could come up with motive here.

Insurance money is only good if and when you can collect it.
It would be too suspicious to even try in a murder case, when it is your wife in your home.

The other woman was a friend to them both, who , for just one nite forgot that.

Freedom?
Jason had more than enough, = salesman on the road.

Ruined his life by getting married?
He married her twice. stay married, and even was going to have another child.


Whoever killed Michelle was mad as heck, furious to the breaking point, totally lost it, they didn't even notice when she had stopped fighting back, they were so lost in that moment of rage,.

So, for those who do think Jason killed Michelle, what was he so mad at her for, that he had to kill her that nite , when he so easily could have been seen by anyone, anywhere?

Kat

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]My sincere hope is that by her next birthday the murderer of her Mommy is caught and brought to justice. [/*]

I was reading some of the s/w's today, and I am wondering if L E had ever considered MM as the motive when they found out she and Jason were communicating by emails and phone, and then if later on, it turned out to be much more innocent, they had to look at other motives.

I never could come up with motive here.

Insurance money is only good if and when you can collect it.
It would be too suspicious to even try in a murder case, when it is your wife in your home.

The other woman was a friend to them both, who , for just one nite forgot that.

Freedom?
Jason had more than enough, = salesman on the road.

Ruined his life by getting married?
He married her twice. stay married, and even was going to have another child.


Whoever killed Michelle was mad as heck, furious to the breaking point, totally lost it, they didn't even notice when she had stopped fighting back, they were so lost in that moment of rage,.

So, for those who do think Jason killed Michelle, what was he so mad at her for, that he had to kill her that nite , when he so easily could have been seen by anyone, anywhere?

Kat [/*][/quote]

Thanks, Kat!

I also have yet to see a motive for Jason to kill his wife and son. Nothing negative has surfaced as far as behavioral traits which almost always happens long before 17 months. No debts from gambling, no secret lifestyle, no other woman waiting in the wings, no history of domestic violence. Nor do I believe Jason had the opportunity to kill his wife and son.

Instead, I think there is evidence the killer knew Jason was out of town and seized the opportunity to eliminate Michelle. I think the search warrants on Valentine's Day were to exclude Jason as a suspect once an arrest of someone else is made.

jmo

Originally posted by JD1974 [*]I wanted to post a Happy Birthday to C. This has to be the hardest time, worse than any of the other holidays because this is the day Mommy brought her into the world and now Mommy isn't there to celebrate with her. I can't imagine missing my son's 4th birthday last month and I can't and don't want to imagine how he would of felt if I had missed it.


My sincere hope is that by her next birthday the murderer of her Mommy is caught and brought to justice. [/*]

Hi, JD!

I think C knows her mommy is an angel watching over her. She's surrounded by love.

for C and Jason on this special day

[lilismom]

Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

Hi, JD!

I think C knows her mommy is an angel watching over her. She's surrounded by love.

for C and Jason on this special day [/*]

I sure hope C is being told about her mother. I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't want her to remember her.

I wonder if they're watching videos of the day C was born? We've seen a few videos so we know they videotaped some. I have some and my daughter loves to watch them. She loves to see me pregnant with her. She can't believe she was IN my belly.

Wouldn't that be a wonderful way to celebrate the day her mother brought her into this world? I sure think so. Even if it makes others sad or uncomfortable to watch.

IMO,
Lilismom

Originally posted by lilismom [*]



I sure hope C is being told about her mother. I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't want her to remember her.

I wonder if they're watching videos of the day C was born? We've seen a few videos so we know they videotaped some. I have some and my daughter loves to watch them. She loves to see me pregnant with her. She can't believe she was IN my belly.

Wouldn't that be a wonderful way to celebrate the day her mother brought her into this world? I sure think so. Even if it makes others sad or uncomfortable to watch.

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

I've seen nothing that would lead me to believe CY isn't being told about her mother or that others around her would be sad or uncomfortable watching home videos.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

I've seen nothing that would lead me to believe CY isn't being told about her mother or that others around her would be sad or uncomfortable watching home videos.

[/*]

Try opening your eyes; then you might see something that would indicate to the contrary. I don't call returned Christmas gifts or the Young's holding Cassidy hostage from the Fishers exactly keeping her mother's memory alive.
JMO

[annalyzer]

Jason's silence says it all.

Originally posted by oakayfine [*]

Try opening your eyes; then you might see something that would indicate to the contrary. I don't call returned Christmas gifts or the Young's holding Cassidy hostage from the Fishers exactly keeping her mother's memory alive.
JMO [/*]

You've not provided any links for me to see.

Posting gossip as fact is a

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]Jason's silence says it all. [/*]

Hopefully that silence will be lifted soon and the facts will speak for themselves.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

You've not provided any links for me to see.

Posting gossip as fact is a [/*]

I did not post this is fact. It is not necessary to provide a link to opinions.

Originally posted by oakayfine [*]

I did not post this is fact. It is not necessary to provide a link to opinions. [/*]

Originally posted by oakayfine [*]

Try opening your eyes; then you might see something that would indicate to the contrary. I don't call returned Christmas gifts or the Young's holding Cassidy hostage from the Fishers exactly keeping her mother's memory alive.
JMO [/*]


I've seen no links to returned Christmas gifts or CY being held hostage. I sure don't base my opinions on rumors not supported with links. Sorry.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

Hopefully that silence will be lifted soon and the facts will speak for themselves. [/*]

I don't think Jason will ever speak the truth of what happened that horrible night; he will continue to be mute. He will take that evening to his grave. Hopefully he will be behind bars when all is said and done. JMO.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

Originally posted by oakayfine [*]

Try opening your eyes; then you might see something that would indicate to the contrary. I don't call returned Christmas gifts or the Young's holding Cassidy hostage from the Fishers exactly keeping her mother's memory alive.
JMO [/*]


I've seen no links to returned Christmas gifts or CY being held hostage. I sure don't base my opinions on rumors not supported with links. Sorry. [/*]

I did not ask you to. This is a message board. Message Boards are for opinions. I expressed mine just as you can express yours. No need to be sorry. IMO

Originally posted by oakayfine [*]

I did not ask you to. This is a message board. Message Boards are for opinions. I expressed mine just as you can express yours. No need to be sorry. IMO [/*]

I prefer opinions based on facts, not unlinked gossip but that's just me.

Have a nice evening.

[Kat4Eagles]

[ From JustFacts

Thanks, Kat!

I also have yet to see a motive for Jason to kill his wife and son. Nothing negative has surfaced as far as behavioral traits which almost always happens long before 17 months. No debts from gambling, no secret lifestyle, no other woman waiting in the wings, no history of domestic violence. Nor do I believe Jason had the opportunity to kill his wife and son.

Instead, I think there is evidence the killer knew Jason was out of town and seized the opportunity to eliminate Michelle. I think the search warrants on Valentine's Day were to exclude Jason as a suspect once an arrest of someone else is made.

jmo [/*][/quote]

Hi JF..........Exactly, that is another thing.........

1)With all the stories that go around making Jason look bad, there has never been one, not even a hint of one, that Jason had a bad temper.

2) And, like one of the posters who thinks there is no foreign DNA at the crime scene, or we would have been told about it, I think it is exactly the opposite.

There was something at the crime scene that points to someone else.

The search warrants specifically ask for palm prints!

3) The therapist notes..if you read the s/w info (which I finally did) it is clear the reason there was a court order was because they were thought to have some information that would provide insights into a troubled marriage.
There are many reasons to see a therapist, as we discussed.
What happened was that a receipt or a cancelled check may have been found made payable to the therapist, and LE thought it would be beneficial to subpoena the therapist.
Or her phone number was found, or an appt card.

Look at all the stuff L E confiscated from his car, the receipt from the Hampton Inn was right in his car.

Not a big mystery after~all.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by oakayfine [*]

Try opening your eyes; then you might see something that would indicate to the contrary. I don't call returned Christmas gifts or the Young's holding Cassidy hostage from the Fishers exactly keeping her mother's memory alive.
JMO [/*]

We don't know that as fact.
We had one poster say that there have been no visits, and then someone else disputed that.

You have to also look at it this way.

Maybe Jason and his in~laws were not all that close to begin with, I still can not figure out why Michelle's sister gave up her life in NY to move to NC, but, at any rate, some people only see each other at holidays.

We know the Youngs loved Michelle, Jason's sisters were her bridesmaids.

Besides that, we were told Jason took C to NY or NJ to see her maternal grandfather, Alan .
Jason made sure her grandfather saw her.

Maybe the trouble with the Youngs and Fishers started way before this....we don't know.

And, besides that again, there are 2 sides to every story.
Maybe there was some reason that Jason feels in the long run, that a clean break was necessary.

And, why couldn't the Fishers right now petition for court appointed supervised visits?

L E seems to have no problem letting C be raised by Jason, if they still think he is a murderer.

Kat

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]

We don't know that as fact.
We had one poster say that there have been no visits, and then someone else disputed that.

You have to also look at it this way.

Maybe Jason and his in~laws were not all that close to begin with, I still can not figure out why Michelle's sister gave up her life in NY to move to NC, but, at any rate, some people only see each other at holidays.

We know the Youngs loved Michelle, Jason's sisters were her bridesmaids.

Besides that, we were told Jason took C to NY or NJ to see her maternal grandfather, Alan .
Jason made sure her grandfather saw her.

Maybe the trouble with the Youngs and Fishers started way before this....we don't know.

And, besides that again, there are 2 sides to every story.
Maybe there was some reason that Jason feels in the long run, that a clean break was necessary.

And, why couldn't the Fishers right now petition for court appointed supervised visits?

L E seems to have no problem letting C be raised by Jason, if they still think he is a murderer.

Kat [/*]

My take is that it's more about what's the best for the child right now. She has been through an ordeal and Jason has every right to decide what she does and who sees her. No NC court is going to get involved. I doubt she's the only child in the world who is kept away from specific family members for whatever reason. If, indeed, it is true that's happening here.

[JHP]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]

We don't know that as fact.
We had one poster say that there have been no visits, and then someone else disputed that.

You have to also look at it this way.

Maybe Jason and his in~laws were not all that close to begin with, I still can not figure out why Michelle's sister gave up her life in NY to move to NC, but, at any rate, some people only see each other at holidays.

We know the Youngs loved Michelle, Jason's sisters were her bridesmaids.

Besides that, we were told Jason took C to NY or NJ to see her maternal grandfather, Alan .
Jason made sure her grandfather saw her.

Maybe the trouble with the Youngs and Fishers started way before this....we don't know.

And, besides that again, there are 2 sides to every story.
Maybe there was some reason that Jason feels in the long run, that a clean break was necessary.

And, why couldn't the Fishers right now petition for court appointed supervised visits?

L E seems to have no problem letting C be raised by Jason, if they still think he is a murderer.

Kat [/*]

You are think the Youngs loved Michelle because they were bridesmaids? Any other reasons?

I don't think the Fishers could petition for visits until Jason is charged with a crime.

Do you have an answer for why LE has left Drew Petersons children with him? He was labeled a suspct in his wifes disappearance almost 5 months ago.
I am surprised however that child protective services did not step in, considering Cassidy was left alone in a dangerous situation for a long period of time.
Who knows? Maybe they did and thats why they moved to the hills.

Lets face it, considering how butal this crime was, the news and LE has been extremly quiet about the facts.

So I hope that an arrest is made soon for all the people who truly loved Michelle.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

My take is that it's more about what's the best for the child right now. She has been through an ordeal and Jason has every right to decide what she does and who sees her. No NC court is going to get involved. I doubt she's the only child in the world who is kept away from specific family members for whatever reason. If, indeed, it is true that's happening here. [/*]

As you so bluntly phrased it above, I will now do the same. This is your opinion. I disagree with your innuendo. I have a different opinion.
I believe NC courts will, most certainly, get involved. I beleive they will be involved with the prosecution of the murderer. I also believe they will be invovled with the custody case once the murderer is convicted. I believe the courts will consider everything that has transpired in the almost 17 months since Cassie's mother was murdered.

JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JHP [*]
You are think the Youngs loved Michelle because they were bridesmaids? Any other reasons?

I don't think the Fishers could petition for visits until Jason is charged with a crime.

Do you have an answer for why LE has left Drew Petersons children with him? He was labeled a suspct in his wifes disappearance almost 5 months ago.
I am surprised however that child protective services did not step in, considering Cassidy was left alone in a dangerous situation for a long period of time.
Who knows? Maybe they did and thats why they moved to the hills.

Lets face it, considering how butal this crime was, the news and LE has been extremly quiet about the facts.

So I hope that an arrest is made soon for all the people who truly loved Michelle. [/*]

__________________________________________________ ____
The fact that Michelle chose them to be in her wedding, means they were close.
And, the wedding itself, once again, not at all how some have tried to describe it, that their were shotguns and Jason was forced to do this.
They look happy, we got to see photos for ourselves.

So, again what is the motive?
If someone wants to paint this picture as a cold calcuated pre~meditated murder, then fill in the rest of the portrait.

Why?
Money?
Could not afford a divorce?
Could not still go home and live with family and have joint custody with Michelle?
Child support?
Alimony?
With the amount of money that Michelle could make on her own?

Any of these worth killing for?
Scott Peterson killed Laci because he did not want a baby.period.
Rae Carruth arranged for Cherica Adams to be killed because he did not want a baby.period.

Jason is already a father, and a good one.

Read all the stories about Jason and Michelle and how they met, and how he spilled her drink, cause he was the awkward type, and how they loved to laugh and entertain, and then 2-3 years later he just suddenly turns into this monster who killed her.

He just woke up one morning and devised this deviant precise masterminded plan to eliminate Michelle forever.

Jason , the practical joker, the clown, the life of the party.

That Jason?

Kat

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]
__________________________________________________ ____

Read all the stories about Jason and Michelle and how they met, and how he spilled her drink, cause he was the awkward type, and how they loved to laugh and entertain, and then 2-3 years later he just suddenly turns into this monster who killed her.

He just woke up one morning and devised this deviant precise masterminded plan to eliminate Michelle forever.

Jason , the practical joker, the clown, the life of the party.

That Jason?

Kat [/*]

Quote snipped for space.

Yes, this does sound very familiar to SP and LP. By all acounts they were happy and giddy when they met and were all smiles at their wedding too. They loved to entertain and then 2-3 years later he just suddenly turned into this monster who killed her.
He just woke up one morning and devised a deviant, precise, masterminded plan to eliminate Michelle forever.

We don't know what motivates people to murder. It happens more often than I would like to see.

JMO JMO JMO JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by oakayfine [*]
Quote snipped for space.

Yes, this does sound very familiar to SP and LP. By all acounts they were happy and giddy when they met and were all smiles at their wedding too. They loved to entertain and then 2-3 years later he just suddenly turned into this monster who killed her.
He just woke up one morning and devised a deviant, precise, masterminded plan to eliminate Michelle forever.

We don't know what motivates people to murder. It happens more often than I would like to see.

JMO JMO JMO JMO [/*]

Scott had a clear motive.
Scott's deviant precise plan was found on his computer checking tides.
Scott left no traces of Laci being killed in the home.
Scott is heard on recordings pretending to be in Paris.
Scott told Amber his wife was dead, before she was, leaving that to be unquestionably, undeniably pre~med.
Scott did not tell anyone where he was going that day, not even his Dad.
Scott told people his wife was missing.

None of those are the same in this case.

Kat

[JHP]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]

Scott had a clear motive.
Scott's deviant precise plan was found on his computer checking tides.
Scott left no traces of Laci being killed in the home.
Scott is heard on recordings pretending to be in Paris.
Scott told Amber his wife was dead, before she was, leaving that to be unquestionably, undeniably pre~med.
Scott did not tell anyone where he was going that day, not even his Dad.
Scott told people his wife was missing.

None of those are the same in this case.

Kat [/*]

But, Kat what evidence do we know LE has or dosent have in the Michelle Young case? LE has been extremly quiet about whats going on.
Other then Jason won't talk.
We don't know what was happening with MM? Do we, other then they were having a relationship.
Maybe someday we will get the story. I hope it's soon.

[JHP]

Originally posted by oakayfine [*]

As you so bluntly phrased it above, I will now do the same. This is your opinion. I disagree with your innuendo. I have a different opinion.
I believe NC courts will, most certainly, get involved. I beleive they will be involved with the prosecution of the murderer. I also believe they will be invovled with the custody case once the murderer is convicted. I believe the courts will consider everything that has transpired in the almost 17 months since Cassie's mother was murdered.

JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO [/*]

oakayfine, ITA with your post except I hope the courts become involved a soon as there is an arrest IF it is Jayson. I hope the Fishers don't have to wait on Cassidy for a conviction.
JMO

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JHP [*] oakayfine, ITA with your post except I hope the courts become involved a soon as there is an arrest IF it is Jayson. I hope the Fishers don't have to wait on Cassidy for a conviction.
JMO [/*]

Oh, I certainly hope it would be sooner, rather than later. Unfortunately NC Law is not in the Fisher's favor right now. That could change in any upcoming legislative session though. As it stands right now, the Fishers will have to wait for a conviction before they can seek custody of Cassie.

JMO JMO JMO JMO

[JHP]

Originally posted by oakayfine [*]

Oh, I certainly hope it would be sooner, rather than later. Unfortunately NC Law is not in the Fisher's favor right now. That could change in any upcoming legislative session though. As it stands right now, the Fishers will have to wait for a conviction before they can seek custody of Cassie.

JMO JMO JMO JMO [/*]

That is quite unfortunate. I don't know the laws in NC. It seems to me if the surviving parent is arrested. The court system would step in to look after the childs best interest. JMO

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JHP [*] That is quite unfortunate. I don't know the laws in NC. It seems to me if the surviving parent is arrested. The court system would step in to look after the childs best interest. JMO [/*]

One would think so but sometimes the laws are not always fair and balanced. They try to write them in such a way that they include all but sometimes all situations can not be foreseen.
Perhaps with a good attorney, there might be some hope. It will be an uphill battle but well worth the fight.

JMO JMO JMO JMO

Originally posted by oakayfine [*]

As you so bluntly phrased it above, I will now do the same. This is your opinion. I disagree with your innuendo. I have a different opinion.
I believe NC courts will, most certainly, get involved. I beleive they will be involved with the prosecution of the murderer. I also believe they will be invovled with the custody case once the murderer is convicted. I believe the courts will consider everything that has transpired in the almost 17 months since Cassie's mother was murdered.

JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO [/*]

Believe whatever you like but NC law doesn't support your belief, imo.

17+ months and Jason has yet to be named a suspect or POI by police. There is simply no evidence he is guilty of the crime and certainly no evidence he is an unfit parent.

Originally posted by JHP [*]
But, Kat what evidence do we know LE has or dosent have in the Michelle Young case? LE has been extremly quiet about whats going on.
Other then Jason won't talk.
We don't know what was happening with MM? Do we, other then they were having a relationship.
Maybe someday we will get the story. I hope it's soon. [/*]

I don't believe LE is being quiet to Jason and Michelle's friends or family who are all cooperating.

jmo

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

Believe whatever you like but NC law doesn't support your belief, imo.

17+ months and Jason has yet to be named a suspect or POI by police. There is simply no evidence he is guilty of the crime and certainly no evidence he is an unfit parent. [/*]

Neither you nor I know what evidence Police may or may not have. They have been very silent.
Yes, I will believe what I believe. I believe there is evidence he is guilty. I believe the courts will be involved.
That being said, NC Law does support the Fishers gaining custody of Cassie when all is said and done.
IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO


If Jason is found guilty the following will most certainly apply and the Fishers will seek custody. IMO IMO IMO
http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/publi...1/032-01-1.htm
"The United States Supreme Court has recognized that protection of a parent's interest in the custody of his or her children is not absolute. Lehr v. Robertson, 463 U.S. 248, 77 L. Ed. 2d 614 (1983). This principle is stated by this Court in Price v. Howard, 346 N.C. 68, 76, 484 S.E.2d 528, 533 (1997). "

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

I don't believe LE is being quiet to Jason and Michelle's friends or family who are all cooperating.

jmo [/*]

I disagree. I do believe LE is being quiet to all involved. It is my opinion that they would not want to tell anyone what they know or do not know as it would compromise their investigation.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JHP [*]
But, Kat what evidence do we know LE has or dosent have in the Michelle Young case? LE has been extremly quiet about whats going on.
Other then Jason won't talk.
We don't know what was happening with MM? Do we, other then they were having a relationship.
Maybe someday we will get the story. I hope it's soon. [/*]

We all want it to be soon, we were promised soon.
We were guaranteed by a poster that it would be over by March 31st, of LAST YEAR,
It will be a year tomorrow since that prediction.
I don't like it when someone tells me something and it doesn't happen, do you?
I don't like it when the poster conveniently disappears and doesn't come back to explain why it did not happen or to apologize.

I know from the s/w's that MM confirmed she talked to Jason daily for 3 months, but she could have also talked w/ Michelle too.

I was interested to see if anyone thought Jason was merely trying to exchange the Michelle's in his life.

I learrned from the s/w's that her sister came in the home through an unsecured door in the garage.

Who left it unlocked.?
Michelle or the killer when they left?

I want to know why the deck planks were taken and the gallon of stain, and why the police would think that after all this time, when they went back to re~investigate thehome, that the bathroom, would have the same bloody prints would be available and I quote.....

"Our responding deputies arived @5108 Birchleaf Dr., they secured the scene, and it was processed by the city.CBI.
In the bathroom photos,one sees numerous red footprints, and while the photographs vividly detail the bathroom condition, no photographs were taken that depict a scale of measurement
that could be used in a later analysis."

So, they were going back to the home to see bloody prints a year later?

Kat

Originally posted by oakayfine [*]

Neither you nor I know what evidence Police may or may not have. They have been very silent.
Yes, I will believe what I believe. I believe there is evidence he is guilty. I believe the courts will be involved.
That being said, NC Law does support the Fishers gaining custody of Cassie when all is said and done.
IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO


If Jason is found guilty the following will most certainly apply and the Fishers will seek custody. IMO IMO IMO
http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/publi...1/032-01-1.htm
"The United States Supreme Court has recognized that protection of a parent's interest in the custody of his or her children is not absolute. Lehr v. Robertson, 463 U.S. 248, 77 L. Ed. 2d 614 (1983). This principle is stated by this Court in Price v. Howard, 346 N.C. 68, 76, 484 S.E.2d 528, 533 (1997). " [/*]

I'm pretty sure police are not being silent to friends and family. At least I've been told that directly by someone who has had numerous discussions with detectives.

You're attempting to debate child custody in a case where the parent hasn't been named a POI or suspect. A complete waste of time, imo.

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]

We all want it to be soon, we were promised soon.
We were guaranteed by a poster that it would be over by March 31st, of LAST YEAR,
It will be a year tomorrow since that prediction.
I don't like it when someone tells me something and it doesn't happen, do you?
I don't like it when the poster conveniently disappears and doesn't come back to explain why it did not happen or to apologize.

I know from the s/w's that MM confirmed she talked to Jason daily for 3 months, but she could have also talked w/ Michelle too.

I was interested to see if anyone thought Jason was merely trying to exchange the Michelle's in his life.

I learrned from the s/w's that her sister came in the home through an unsecured door in the garage.

Who left it unlocked.?
Michelle or the killer when they left?

I want to know why the deck planks were taken and the gallon of stain, and why the police would think that after all this time, when they went back to re~investigate thehome, that the bathroom, would have the same bloody prints would be available and I quote.....

"Our responding deputies arived @5108 Birchleaf Dr., they secured the scene, and it was processed by the city.CBI.
In the bathroom photos,one sees numerous red footprints, and while the photographs vividly detail the bathroom condition, no photographs were taken that depict a scale of measurement
that could be used in a later analysis."

So, they were going back to the home to see bloody prints a year later?

Kat [/*]

imo, they went back to measure the tile squares on the floor in order to determine if the footprints in the photos belonged to an adult or the child.

[Kat4Eagles]

"Our responding deputies arived @5108 Birchleaf Dr., they secured the scene, and it was processed by the city.CBI.
In the bathroom photos,one sees numerous red footprints, and while the photographs vividly detail the bathroom condition, no photographs were taken that depict a scale of measurement
that could be used in a later analysis."

So, they were going back to the home to see bloody prints a year later?

Kat [/*][/quote]

And, we wonder why this case has not been solved...

Read on........s/w's from last year.

"In reviewing additional photographs and video from the scene, stains and marks were seen that were not analyzed or clarified by the crime scene investigators.CBI.

IF the stains and or/marks are of evidentary nature, there still exists a possibility that they can be collected and analyzed."

So, do you think the clean~up crew, the families, the realtors showing the home, didn't notice IF such bloody prints still exist?

Is L E trying to say the prints are/were still there for anyone to see?

Isn't this exactly what Gojo was trying to tell us all along?

Kat

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JustFacts [*]
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You're attempting to debate child custody in a case where the parent hasn't been named a POI or suspect. A complete waste of time, imo. [/*]

That is your opinion. I am entitled to mine.

Have a good day.

[Amy]

Originally posted by JHP [*]
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I don't think the Fishers could petition for visits until Jason is charged with a crime.
crime was, the news and LE has been extremly quiet about the facts.

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[/*]

No crime has to be committed for grandparents to petition for visitation...only an estrangement.

Grandparents petition for visitation when both parents are alive. The only element necessary is that the grandparents are not being allowed to see the grandchildren.

@ least that is true in KS. The cases I know of do happen to be where the parents and grandparents are estranged for whatever reason, and the grandparents are wanting to have contact with the kids.