March 24th. - 3/31

[n/t]

Carrying this over because I thought it was good post.

marshmallow
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Location: Rochester, NY
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My opinion is that they believe he pulled his own disappearing act and while they're not in contact with him they aren't too sure foul play happened, they would like him to speak up.
After wading through this thread and putting aside the static of religious choices and artistic talents, I really think his family is reacting this way because they love him and want him back safely but they believe he has the power to return on his own.
I wonder if this isn't a case of run-away-bride-ism and he's gotten himself in so deep that it's harder and harder for him to just pop up and say "I'm over here...gotcha"


I don't like judging religions, God told me not to, to each their own unless they want to replace my own with their own. God is God to me. But because it might have some bearing on his possible frame of mind:
Another angle for him resigning from his church is that may have been his only way of heading toward divorce. How does his church feel about divorce? We know how they feel about rapid procreation ..
My next break I'll read up on their divorce stance but I'm guessing I already know.

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Hi Marshmallow and welcome. Don't think I've seen you post here before.

I believe he did take off and I also believe he told his wife he was going to. I agree with you that perhaps he may not have expected all this media attention and is in somewhat of a panic or very confused about what his next step would be. I hope he has contacted a lawyer.

Continued prayers for Nicholas. I still believe you are alive. Please do the right thing. If you haven't contacted a lawyer, do so or help line that may give you advice but please let someone know you are alive!

[Shelby1]

I hope Nicholas is found today.

[need2no]

I am of the opinion that NF walked and have wondered about how all this might have taken a different turn.

Suppose NF was concerned about the new addition to the already financially strapped family and in part blamed the church teachings and beliefs for this. They had argued. Why did she stop the birth control and keep it a secret. He doesn't know how he can take on anymore. They had agreed to resign from the church, but NF still feels betrayed by his wife. Then NF hears rumors of pending layoffs at work. It's all too much for him and he decides he must get away, needs to clear his head, AND do it before Valentine's day. He doesn't like confrontational situations and knows he can't face just going through the motions on Valentine's day.

When he doesn't arrive home on the 13th, CF wonders if he has split, wonders if this is why he told her his cell phone battery was dead. Remembers he was angry when she asked him to stop for sugar after work. Yet she isn't sure what's going on, maybe he had a wreck or something... she is fearful (on both levels) and impatient so she calls LE and reports him missing.

CF thinks LE will track him down and she'll find out why NF didn't make it home, or this would "force" him to return and explain.

LE conducts interviews and starts searching but they don't find NF or any clues as to what happened.

CF doesn't feel like working, closes her shops and mentions her DH is missing... she needs to explain the closure and a little sympathy can't hurt. Meanwhile she is looking through the house and realizes some of his 'prized possessions' appear to be missing...she wonders. She checks out stuff on the computer and wonders even more.

Then family, neighbors, church members and friends start dropping by with kind words and sympathy, calling, bringing food, playing with the children, and asking if there is anything they can do to help. The attention feels pretty good. She deserves it, especially if that *******walked out on her and the children. She's still confused, not sure if she should share her suspicions or keep them to herself. Either way she wants him to be found. She's upset, angry and confused.

Meanwhile the E group decides to solicit donations for her and the children.

At some point NF contacts her and advises he had to get away for a while to sort through things and make some decisions and he will be in contact with her again when he can, or when he has decided what to do. He will send money as soon as he gets back on his feet, and he is glad to hear Publicis is continuing his salary. CF advises him she called LE and they are searching for him. Missing posters are being hung and are on the internet. NF panics and is angry she called LE in the 1st place and hangs the phone up on her before she even has a chance to ask where he is at.

CF figures what the heck she will just continue to leave things as is. After all her DH IS in fact gone and she could use the funds to catch up their bills, and the children would enjoy and be preoccupied with some new toys...no harm in that. When DH returns she can just thank everyone for their prayers and "gifts of love" which helped her and her family pull through until they reunited.

What she doesn't expect is for this to go nationwide and for the public to become somewhat obsessed with the case of her missing hubby, and tear apart her every word and their marriage. But when the E group thoughtfully set up interviews with Greta and Nancy what could she do, how would it look if she refused, or didn't make pleas for the safe return of her hubby. She finds herself in a quandary and knows to admit the truth would not only humiliate her but many would be angry she accepted the financial assistance wondering if she had known all along. The fairy tale would be questioned and this would be impossible for her to handle. In her state of anger she thinks of him as a dead man, decides to plan her life without him after weeks pass and he has not called her back.

At some point NF realizes this has all gotten terribly out of hand. His face and description is being plastered everywhere. He doesn't know where to turn or what to do. He feels forced into hiding now that he knows he is being searched for by LE and possibly many citizens. How could this have happened. How can he seek and land employment. Now he has to come up with a plan 2 to survive. Maybe CF meant it when she said she never wanted to see him again, and she'd never forgive him for deserting her and the children.

The problem with the above theory is if he just walked away wouldn't he expect CF to contact LE and report him missing, or did he assume she would assume he had left her and therefore there was no reason to get LE involved in the marital issues. But then why come up with the story of the non working cell phone. IF he walked and CF called him he didn't have to answer her call. So why tell co-workers his battery was dead? Did he want people to question whether he walked or met with foul play? Surely he would realize if people thought he met with foul play they would be looking for him. This cell phone situation is really a puzzling aspect of this case, unless it was a mere coincidence, or NF just failed to think it through thoroughly.

If CF had only called LE and left it at that none of this would have been mentioned after a few days. LE would have reported they had no leads and no evidence to lead them to believe foul play was involved. Granted, his co-workers and family might still be wondering and looking, but that's all, and it would have been kept as a local matter only.

Sorry, just thinking and speculating out loud. I really want to believe Nicholas is safe. I really want to believe he left because he was overwhelmed, or to protect his family (from something). I really want to believe NF will be a father to his 3 children again one day. I really want to believe CF was blindsided and backed herself into this situation with the donations and it snowballed. I really want to believe neither of them could have ever imagined things would turn out the way they have, and that they are both uncertain how to get out of this mess they are in. I continually remind myself that they are still relatively young and still have much to learn about life.

I like fairy tales myself...and happy endings.

For Nicholas, hoping you are safe somewhere.

[Miss Behavin]

So I take it there is no new news today?

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by n/t [*]Continued prayers for Nicholas. I still believe you are alive. Please do the right thing. If you haven't contacted a lawyer, do so or help line that may give you advice but please let someone know you are alive! [/*]

Prayers for the Francisco Family.
I do so hope Nicholas, Christine and many of their acquaintances seek an attorney or have already done so.

[isitme]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane [*]

Prayers for the Francisco Family.
I do so hope Nicholas, Christine and many of their acquaintances seek an attorney or have already done so. [/*]

For what purpose?????

[snowshuze]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane [*]

Prayers for the Francisco Family.
I do so hope Nicholas, Christine and many of their acquaintances seek an attorney or have already done so. [/*]

Wow, what an EXCELLENT idea Pernecia. If some sort of scam <financial or otherwise> is being perpetrated, legal advice is certainly the best remedy.

MOO and stuff.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by need2no [*]I am of the opinion that NF walked and have wondered about how all this might have taken a different turn.

Suppose NF was concerned about the new addition to the already financially strapped family and in part blamed the church teachings and beliefs for this. They had argued. Why did she stop the birth control and keep it a secret. He doesn't know how he can take on anymore. They had agreed to resign from the church, but NF still feels betrayed by his wife. Then NF hears rumors of pending layoffs at work. It's all too much for him and he decides he must get away, needs to clear his head, AND do it before Valentine's day. He doesn't like confrontational situations and knows he can't face just going through the motions on Valentine's day.

When he doesn't arrive home on the 13th, CF wonders if he has split, wonders if this is why he told her his cell phone battery was dead. Remembers he was angry when she asked him to stop for sugar after work. Yet she isn't sure what's going on, maybe he had a wreck or something... she is fearful (on both levels) and impatient so she calls LE and reports him missing.

CF thinks LE will track him down and she'll find out why NF didn't make it home, or this would "force" him to return and explain.

LE conducts interviews and starts searching but they don't find NF or any clues as to what happened.

CF doesn't feel like working, closes her shops and mentions her DH is missing... she needs to explain the closure and a little sympathy can't hurt. Meanwhile she is looking through the house and realizes some of his 'prized possessions' appear to be missing...she wonders. She checks out stuff on the computer and wonders even more.

Then family, neighbors, church members and friends start dropping by with kind words and sympathy, calling, bringing food, playing with the children, and asking if there is anything they can do to help. The attention feels pretty good. She deserves it, especially if that *******walked out on her and the children. She's still confused, not sure if she should share her suspicions or keep them to herself. Either way she wants him to be found. She's upset, angry and confused.

Meanwhile the E group decides to solicit donations for her and the children.

At some point NF contacts her and advises he had to get away for a while to sort through things and make some decisions and he will be in contact with her again when he can, or when he has decided what to do. He will send money as soon as he gets back on his feet, and he is glad to hear Publicis is continuing his salary. CF advises him she called LE and they are searching for him. Missing posters are being hung and are on the internet. NF panics and is angry she called LE in the 1st place and hangs the phone up on her before she even has a chance to ask where he is at.

CF figures what the heck she will just continue to leave things as is. After all her DH IS in fact gone and she could use the funds to catch up their bills, and the children would enjoy and be preoccupied with some new toys...no harm in that. When DH returns she can just thank everyone for their prayers and "gifts of love" which helped her and her family pull through until they reunited.

What she doesn't expect is for this to go nationwide and for the public to become somewhat obsessed with the case of her missing hubby, and tear apart her every word and their marriage. But when the E group thoughtfully set up interviews with Greta and Nancy what could she do, how would it look if she refused, or didn't make pleas for the safe return of her hubby. She finds herself in a quandary and knows to admit the truth would not only humiliate her but many would be angry she accepted the financial assistance wondering if she had known all along. The fairy tale would be questioned and this would be impossible for her to handle. In her state of anger she thinks of him as a dead man, decides to plan her life without him after weeks pass and he has not called her back.

At some point NF realizes this has all gotten terribly out of hand. His face and description is being plastered everywhere. He doesn't know where to turn or what to do. He feels forced into hiding now that he knows he is being searched for by LE and possibly many citizens. How could this have happened. How can he seek and land employment. Now he has to come up with a plan 2 to survive. Maybe CF meant it when she said she never wanted to see him again, and she'd never forgive him for deserting her and the children.

The problem with the above theory is if he just walked away wouldn't he expect CF to contact LE and report him missing, or did he assume she would assume he had left her and therefore there was no reason to get LE involved in the marital issues. But then why come up with the story of the non working cell phone. IF he walked and CF called him he didn't have to answer her call. So why tell co-workers his battery was dead? Did he want people to question whether he walked or met with foul play? Surely he would realize if people thought he met with foul play they would be looking for him. This cell phone situation is really a puzzling aspect of this case, unless it was a mere coincidence, or NF just failed to think it through thoroughly.

If CF had only called LE and left it at that none of this would have been mentioned after a few days. LE would have reported they had no leads and no evidence to lead them to believe foul play was involved. Granted, his co-workers and family might still be wondering and looking, but that's all, and it would have been kept as a local matter only.

Sorry, just thinking and speculating out loud. I really want to believe Nicholas is safe. I really want to believe he left because he was overwhelmed, or to protect his family (from something). I really want to believe NF will be a father to his 3 children again one day. I really want to believe CF was blindsided and backed herself into this situation with the donations and it snowballed. I really want to believe neither of them could have ever imagined things would turn out the way they have, and that they are both uncertain how to get out of this mess they are in. I continually remind myself that they are still relatively young and still have much to learn about life.

I like fairy tales myself...and happy endings.

For Nicholas, hoping you are safe somewhere. [/*]

Excellent need2no!!!

Originally posted by need2no [*]I am of the opinion that NF walked and have wondered about how all this might have taken a different turn.

Suppose NF was concerned about the new addition to the already financially strapped family and in part blamed the church teachings and beliefs for this. They had argued. Why did she stop the birth control and keep it a secret. He doesn't know how he can take on anymore. They had agreed to resign from the church, but NF still feels betrayed by his wife. Then NF hears rumors of pending layoffs at work. It's all too much for him and he decides he must get away, needs to clear his head, AND do it before Valentine's day. He doesn't like confrontational situations and knows he can't face just going through the motions on Valentine's day.

When he doesn't arrive home on the 13th, CF wonders if he has split, wonders if this is why he told her his cell phone battery was dead. Remembers he was angry when she asked him to stop for sugar after work. Yet she isn't sure what's going on, maybe he had a wreck or something... she is fearful (on both levels) and impatient so she calls LE and reports him missing.

CF thinks LE will track him down and she'll find out why NF didn't make it home, or this would "force" him to return and explain.

LE conducts interviews and starts searching but they don't find NF or any clues as to what happened.

CF doesn't feel like working, closes her shops and mentions her DH is missing... she needs to explain the closure and a little sympathy can't hurt. Meanwhile she is looking through the house and realizes some of his 'prized possessions' appear to be missing...she wonders. She checks out stuff on the computer and wonders even more.

Then family, neighbors, church members and friends start dropping by with kind words and sympathy, calling, bringing food, playing with the children, and asking if there is anything they can do to help. The attention feels pretty good. She deserves it, especially if that *******walked out on her and the children. She's still confused, not sure if she should share her suspicions or keep them to herself. Either way she wants him to be found. She's upset, angry and confused.

Meanwhile the E group decides to solicit donations for her and the children.

At some point NF contacts her and advises he had to get away for a while to sort through things and make some decisions and he will be in contact with her again when he can, or when he has decided what to do. He will send money as soon as he gets back on his feet, and he is glad to hear Publicis is continuing his salary. CF advises him she called LE and they are searching for him. Missing posters are being hung and are on the internet. NF panics and is angry she called LE in the 1st place and hangs the phone up on her before she even has a chance to ask where he is at.

CF figures what the heck she will just continue to leave things as is. After all her DH IS in fact gone and she could use the funds to catch up their bills, and the children would enjoy and be preoccupied with some new toys...no harm in that. When DH returns she can just thank everyone for their prayers and "gifts of love" which helped her and her family pull through until they reunited.

What she doesn't expect is for this to go nationwide and for the public to become somewhat obsessed with the case of her missing hubby, and tear apart her every word and their marriage. But when the E group thoughtfully set up interviews with Greta and Nancy what could she do, how would it look if she refused, or didn't make pleas for the safe return of her hubby. She finds herself in a quandary and knows to admit the truth would not only humiliate her but many would be angry she accepted the financial assistance wondering if she had known all along. The fairy tale would be questioned and this would be impossible for her to handle. In her state of anger she thinks of him as a dead man, decides to plan her life without him after weeks pass and he has not called her back.

At some point NF realizes this has all gotten terribly out of hand. His face and description is being plastered everywhere. He doesn't know where to turn or what to do. He feels forced into hiding now that he knows he is being searched for by LE and possibly many citizens. How could this have happened. How can he seek and land employment. Now he has to come up with a plan 2 to survive. Maybe CF meant it when she said she never wanted to see him again, and she'd never forgive him for deserting her and the children.

The problem with the above theory is if he just walked away wouldn't he expect CF to contact LE and report him missing, or did he assume she would assume he had left her and therefore there was no reason to get LE involved in the marital issues. But then why come up with the story of the non working cell phone. IF he walked and CF called him he didn't have to answer her call. So why tell co-workers his battery was dead? Did he want people to question whether he walked or met with foul play? Surely he would realize if people thought he met with foul play they would be looking for him. This cell phone situation is really a puzzling aspect of this case, unless it was a mere coincidence, or NF just failed to think it through thoroughly.

If CF had only called LE and left it at that none of this would have been mentioned after a few days. LE would have reported they had no leads and no evidence to lead them to believe foul play was involved. Granted, his co-workers and family might still be wondering and looking, but that's all, and it would have been kept as a local matter only.

Sorry, just thinking and speculating out loud. I really want to believe Nicholas is safe. I really want to believe he left because he was overwhelmed, or to protect his family (from something). I really want to believe NF will be a father to his 3 children again one day. I really want to believe CF was blindsided and backed herself into this situation with the donations and it snowballed. I really want to believe neither of them could have ever imagined things would turn out the way they have, and that they are both uncertain how to get out of this mess they are in. I continually remind myself that they are still relatively young and still have much to learn about life.

I like fairy tales myself...and happy endings.


For Nicholas, hoping you are safe somewhere. [/*]

Awesome post!!!

[saydeezmom]

I think all is quiet because LE wants whoever is behind this to get comfortable with their situation.

[SeattleEddie]

N2N, I agree with your theory. I think also she knew he would be leaving and was probably calling and calling trying to get him to come home. He said his phone was dead to avoid all the calls. But what I don't get is the sugar/Costco story.

[LiLMaggie]

I think he met with foul play. After looking at all those missing men last night.

I hope I'm wrong.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie [*]N2N, I agree with your theory. I think also she knew he would be leaving and was probably calling and calling trying to get him to come home. He said his phone was dead to avoid all the calls. But what I don't get is the sugar/Costco story. [/*]

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Eddie, I think I've read that you believe Nicholas walked away ... which I understand is JUST your OPINION I might add.

Anyway ... if so, from a man's perspective, wouldn't he be missing his kids horribly right now?
His son looks so much like him, wouldn't his heart be aching to hold him?

Just some random thoughts ... but it just hurts allot, to think how he must be hurting, if he did walk away .. for his kids.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman [*]

......good advice, I think they will need one. [/*]

I believe you are correct alone with a "few" others.


Bring Nicholas Home

[MoonFlwr]

Didn't expect you guys to be *back on the other side* already, today!

Isn't Easter Monday a holiday in the States, Canada etc?

Anyway, there have been so many theories bandied around.
I am so hoping not to hear bad news in the case!

I guess, the chances 'feel' slim, to me.

[wondering?]

Originally posted by LiLMaggie [*]I think he met with foul play. After looking at all those missing men last night.

I hope I'm wrong. [/*]

I was shocked when I went down the list of missing people in Washington! And so many just since Nicholas went missing. What is going on?
Is this usual and what is being done about it?

I keep checking in, hoping that our prayers are answered and he has been found!

Where are u Nicholas?

[need2no]

Originally posted by andover [*]

Oh SB, one would hope that they already have.....but sadly I would take a guess that they have not yet. But in keeping with the subject of finding Nicholas my hope is that someone from the family would contact TES to see if they can help with the effort in any way. If they were unable to dedicate any resources to the search effort right away I would think they would be willing to put his picture on the website. [/*]

Here is another great missing person site where sadly Nicholas and his pic are not listed.


http://www.nampn.org/hot.html

Originally posted by Beth Engleman [*]

This goes right along with the belief by the Francisco family that he is not missing but is deceased. [/*]

The wife has stated that belief. Have others in his family said that as well?

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman [*]

This goes right along with the belief by the Francisco family that he is not missing but is deceased. [/*]

Even if in my heart of hearts I believed deep down that my DH had met with foul play I just don't believe I could give up and move on until this was a proven fact, or at least until there was strong evidence pointing to foul play. Heck I would have him listed everywhere I could think of and any place someone recommended, even if I suspected or believed he was dead. Even if he is dead if his body is found having his missing info out there everywhere could help to identify him sooner and track down his family to advise them.

If LE has no clues to suspect foul play...why would his wife suspect foul play? Surely LE would know more than the average citizen, and they have a lot of experience in these matters to back up there beliefs. I wonder if LE finds it weird that she thinks he is dead, and that she has mentioned water. IF he is found in water wouldn't that look kinda strange and suspicious.

Originally posted by Beth Engleman [*]

I do not know if they have stated that belief, they have been way too quiet. [/*]

Maybe they have heard from him... I'd like to think that's the case. It seems so strange that they are not out in the public trying to find him if they still haven't been contacted by him.

I know someone posted here that they thought the family has been quiet because they don't want to be "attacked" like some say his wife has been. But that doesn't make sense to me -- if their son and brother is missing, some ideas/speculation etc posted on the Internet should be the least of their worries. And with LE saying there is no evidence of foul play and none of him leaving on his own, I don't understand why anyone would choose to think the worse and then just give up. IMO.

[need2no]

I thought this was an interesting article and hadn't noticed it previously posted. I added a snippet of the article.

THE MAN WHO HELPS PEOPLE DISAPPEAR

Success is dependent on following a strict set of rules and, despite increasing technology storing huge amounts of personal information, he insists it is actually now easier for people to reinvent themselves than ever before.

"It definitely seems like more people are wanting to disappear," he says. "A lot of people just reach a time in their life when enough is enough and for those that take that big step, technology is much more of a friend than a foe.

"There's pay as you go phones, even pay as you go credit cards. The days when you had to go into a bank with an account book to withdraw money are long gone.

"My job is basically to go through a checklist with the client and ensure that all lose ends are tied up. The other thing I do is to create false leads, so if someone does come looking for them they will be faced with numerous options, all of them leading to a dead end."

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/featu...?articlepage=2

Originally posted by need2no [*]

Even if in my heart of hearts I believed deep down that my DH had met with foul play I just don't believe I could give up and move on until this was a proven fact, or at least until there was strong evidence pointing to foul play. Heck I would have him listed everywhere I could think of and any place someone recommended, even if I suspected or believed he was dead. Even if he is dead if his body is found having his missing info out there everywhere could help to identify him sooner and track down his family to advise them.

If LE has no clues to suspect foul play...why would his wife suspect foul play? Surely LE would know more than the average citizen, and they have a lot of experience in these matters to back up there beliefs. I wonder if LE finds it weird that she thinks he is dead, and that she has mentioned water. IF he is found in water wouldn't that look kinda strange and suspicious. [/*]

This has always puzzled me -- why think the worse, unless you know something? I wonder what LE thinks about all that too. OTOH, they have probably talked to her a lot by this time and may have a better or different overall sense of what she means than we can get from news interview sound bites and article quotes. And her blog posts and comments.

I think it is relevant to the case and what might have happened to him, to look at the fact that his wife has not made any public personal appeals to *him* to please call or return home and that whatever has happened, they can work things out. The lack of that kind of communication could be stress or embarrassment, or it could be something else. But it doesnt' come across as hope to me. [/*]

[need2no]

Originally posted by All4Nic [*]

I think that's a good idea, I just submitted his info/picture to the website listed above. [/*]

way to go All4Nic!!

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees [*]

This has always puzzled me -- why think the worse, unless you know something? I wonder what LE thinks about all that too.

I think it is relevant to the case and what might have happened to him, to look at the fact that his wife has not made any public personal appeals to *him* to please call or return home and that whatever has happened, they can work things out. The lack of that kind of communication could be stress or pride, or it could be something else. But it doesnt' come across as hope to me. [/*]

I know what you're saying, but I couldn't think of a better time to toss out your pride, and to do something should lessen your stress a tad. Sitting on your hands doing nothing would seem more stressful, and certainly counterproductive to me.

[Shimz]

So I always thought that logical place to search for NF was near where his car was found....

Yesterday here on staten island, remains were found and are believed to be that of Amy Giordano who went missing last year.

From what I remember, a car was found... can't remember now if it was his car or hers... but the location of the car and where the bones were found are on COMPLETELY DIFFERENT sides of the island...

So now I am thinking.. what if NF's car was driven to the condos as a diversion (as some have already said)... it could really throw people off.. then they really would have no idea where to search...

They would just have to wait for a tip like they did here on s.i.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Shimz [*]So I always thought that logical place to search for NF was near where his car was found....

Yesterday here on staten island, remains were found and are believed to be that of Amy Giordano who went missing last year.

From what I remember, a car was found... can't remember now if it was his car or hers... but the location of the car and where the bones were found are on COMPLETELY DIFFERENT sides of the island...

So now I am thinking.. what if NF's car was driven to the condos as a diversion (as some have already said)... it could really throw people off.. then they really would have no idea where to search...

They would just have to wait for a tip like they did here on s.i. [/*]

That's exactly what I am thinking...send LE and searchers on a wild goose chase. At the very least it is a great way to buy time. Whoever put the car in the condo parking lot hid it in plain sight. Everyone knows how coveted parking is at apartments and condos, and everyone knows the person assigned to the parking spot will complain if someone else dares to park in their spot. Might as well park that red car in the middle of the highway and post a banner on it saying NICHOLAS FRANCISCO'S CAR!!

[Shimz]

Originally posted by need2no [*]

That's exactly what I am thinking...send LE and searchers on a wild goose chase. At the very least it is a great way to buy time. Whoever put the car in the condo parking lot hid it in plain sight. Everyone knows how coveted parking is at apartments and condos, and everyone knows the person assigned to the parking spot will complain if someone else dares to park in their spot. Might as well park that red car in the middle of the highway and post a banner on it saying NICHOLAS FRANCISCO'S CAR!! [/*]

ITA!! If they didn't want it to be found the are definitely a lot of better places to hide it than someones parking spot for their house!

OTOH.. i have a friend who lives in a condo complex like that, and i was there last week and i looked at the parking spots... there is no differentiation between reserved spots and visitor spots... i mean, there are no numbers on them or anything... If I wasn't familiar with the complex, I would definitely not be able to tell for sure which ones were visitor and which were assigned...

So if the person wasn't that familiar with the complex, they may not have known it was an assigned space... (I don't know if there were numbers on them or something telling visitors they were assigned)

I think the chances of that are slim, but possible... either way it seems like the car was meant to be found

[Shimz]

Originally posted by andover [*]I fully understand that each person reacts different to any given situation, some are pessimists and some are optimists. I can respect the fact that some people when faced with a difficult and stressful situation will always think the worst. We must though always leave our mind and more importantly our hearts open to any possibility when dealing with someone important in our lives. I can guarantee everyone this, Nic is not gone "without a trace". Contrary to what some believe, this would only be possible if an alien took him, we all know that is ridiculous. Nic does in fact exist somewhere either dead or alive. I would think, but this is strictly my opinion that his friends and family would want to know where he is; if he is laying dead somewhere to give him a proper burial and if he is alive to make sure he is okay and his basic needs are being taken care of.

I can't understand why there are few posters of Nic up in the Seattle area (a few forum members from the area have reported this), why his employer took down the posters in the lobby (also reported by someone on this forum), why TES has not (at least as of approximately a week ago) been contacted, why he is not listed on many websites dedicated for missing persons.

I know posters end up getting taken down, but can we get a crew together to repost them once a week at least in the immediate area where he lives? Can we get a list together of several websites where he can be listed? Does anyone have any connections with the media? The more his picture and name are "out there" the bigger chance that he will be found.

My heart breaks for this family, I cannot imagine the pain of having someone in my family missing. Instead of fighting amongst each other about what may or may not have happened can we ban together in unity toward the common goal of finding Nicholas? Can we come up with ideas of how to get his name and picture in as many places as possible? Can we use TODAY to remain positive toward the common goal of finding Nicholas? We have the power to help this family, let's come up with some ideas my friends. [/*]

very well said

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Shimz [*]

ITA!! If they didn't want it to be found the are definitely a lot of better places to hide it than someones parking spot for their house!

OTOH.. i have a friend who lives in a condo complex like that, and i was there last week and i looked at the parking spots... there is no differentiation between reserved spots and visitor spots... i mean, there are no numbers on them or anything... If I wasn't familiar with the complex, I would definitely not be able to tell for sure which ones were visitor and which were assigned...

So if the person wasn't that familiar with the complex, they may not have known it was an assigned space... (I don't know if there were numbers on them or something telling visitors they were assigned)

I think the chances of that are slim, but possible... either way it seems like the car was meant to be found [/*]

sorry to quote myself but I just wanted to clarify (and wasn't able to edit my post) that I thought the chances were slim that whoever parked the car there did not know that it was an assigned space, and that it was more likely they were familiar with the area.

[need2no]

Originally posted by All4Nic [*]

I don't know, but I just called Publicis and the "temp" at the main phone number said she hadn't seen anything about him!!! Ugh! [/*]

WTH?? Has she been in a cave lately?

Originally posted by need2no [*]

Even if in my heart of hearts I believed deep down that my DH had met with foul play I just don't believe I could give up and move on until this was a proven fact, or at least until there was strong evidence pointing to foul play. Heck I would have him listed everywhere I could think of and any place someone recommended, even if I suspected or believed he was dead. Even if he is dead if his body is found having his missing info out there everywhere could help to identify him sooner and track down his family to advise them.

If LE has no clues to suspect foul play...why would his wife suspect foul play? Surely LE would know more than the average citizen, and they have a lot of experience in these matters to back up there beliefs. I wonder if LE finds it weird that she thinks he is dead, and that she has mentioned water. IF he is found in water wouldn't that look kinda strange and suspicious. [/*]

I'm not going to speculate about what happened (plenty of people already taking care of that); but if my husband went missing I would immediately assume foul play. There is no way that he would leave voluntarily, so I would be devastated and I would probably say things on TV that I regretted later.

~~~JMO

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Envision [*]

That's plain disgusting. Are we the only ones who want NF found? [/*]

Seems that way Envision - did you check out the new info on .........the franciscos - our family...........site?

Originally posted by need2no [*]

Even if in my heart of hearts I believed deep down that my DH had met with foul play I just don't believe I could give up and move on until this was a proven fact, or at least until there was strong evidence pointing to foul play. Heck I would have him listed everywhere I could think of and any place someone recommended, even if I suspected or believed he was dead. Even if he is dead if his body is found having his missing info out there everywhere could help to identify him sooner and track down his family to advise them.

If LE has no clues to suspect foul play...why would his wife suspect foul play? Surely LE would know more than the average citizen, and they have a lot of experience in these matters to back up there beliefs. I wonder if LE finds it weird that she thinks he is dead, and that she has mentioned water. IF he is found in water wouldn't that look kinda strange and suspicious. [/*]

Hrm. LE hasn't slept in the same bed with this guy for however many years. Come on, ppl, the folks you're sleeping with have intuitive knowledge and connection to you and if you upped and disappeared suddenly, particularly if there were foul play, they'd KNOW!

If you *don't* suspect foul play, where do you think NF *is*??

Originally posted by andover [*]I fully understand that each person reacts different to any given situation, some are pessimists and some are optimists. I can respect the fact that some people when faced with a difficult and stressful situation will always think the worst. We must though always leave our mind and more importantly our hearts open to any possibility when dealing with someone important in our lives. I can guarantee everyone this, Nic is not gone "without a trace". Contrary to what some believe, this would only be possible if an alien took him, we all know that is ridiculous. Nic does in fact exist somewhere either dead or alive. I would think, but this is strictly my opinion that his friends and family would want to know where he is; if he is laying dead somewhere to give him a proper burial and if he is alive to make sure he is okay and his basic needs are being taken care of.

I can't understand why there are few posters of Nic up in the Seattle area (a few forum members from the area have reported this), why his employer took down the posters in the lobby (also reported by someone on this forum), why TES has not (at least as of approximately a week ago) been contacted, why he is not listed on many websites dedicated for missing persons.

I know posters end up getting taken down, but can we get a crew together to repost them once a week at least in the immediate area where he lives? Can we get a list together of several websites where he can be listed? Does anyone have any connections with the media? The more his picture and name are "out there" the bigger chance that he will be found.

My heart breaks for this family, I cannot imagine the pain of having someone in my family missing. Instead of fighting amongst each other about what may or may not have happened can we ban together in unity toward the common goal of finding Nicholas? Can we come up with ideas of how to get his name and picture in as many places as possible? Can we use TODAY to remain positive toward the common goal of finding Nicholas? We have the power to help this family, let's come up with some ideas my friends. [/*]

This is probably not a wildly popular idea but if Publicis has taken down their flyers, it's probably because NF's colleagues have already given all the information they can -- and it is time for everyone to get back to work. If I had to walk past a missing colleague's picture every day to get to my office, I would be totally depressed and wouldn't want to go in.

Originally posted by andover [*]

Again my friends, none of this matters in the big picture of finding Nic. Some may tell us "no, you can't post that here", that's fine just let it go. Let's stay focused in a positive manner of what we can do as a team to find Nicholas. all4nic has already posted his information on a website for the missing.

I know together we can do it, we just need to stay focused on our objective. We can stay strong, we can be there for his family to help out as much as possible behind the scenes. [/*]

Hi, I posted an ad on craigslist a couple weeks ago -- I can re-post that on the various craigslist sites throughout the country, FWIW. I'll try and do it tonight or tomorrow for sure.

I really appreciate your positive and proactive approach, and staying focused on the positive no matter what anyone comes on here and says. It is strange to me that people who are supposedly so in support of Nick's wife are not wanting to get involved in finding him through such efforts as you are suggesting. It makes me wonder about motives, but that's just a distraction I guess.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Harlett had posted that it takes lots of letter (50 - 100) to news agencies to regenerate interest. Should we try that? If so, should it say the same thing in each letter? Should someone compose it and then we all email (whoever wants to) under our respective names?

[Sunday Moon]

This is probably not a wildly popular idea but if Publicis has taken down their flyers, it's probably because NF's colleagues have already given all the information they can -- and it is time for everyone to get back to work. If I had to walk past a missing colleague's picture every day to get to my office, I would be totally depressed and wouldn't want to go in.

Wow, I wouldn't want to work in a place that was that cold and uncaring. I guess I could give up "my" feelings and think about the missing person until he is found, especially if that person is my co-worker. There is no acceptable reason for the flyers to be taken down at his work, IMO. None.

I just don't get it. If anyone connected to Nicholas knows his whereabouts I wish they would say something. And if they don't.......why wouldn't they call TES to help search? If I was missing a loved one I would want Tim Miller on the case ASAP. I don't understand, really I don't.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon [*]


Wow, I wouldn't want to work in a place that was that cold and uncaring. I guess I could give up "my" feelings and think about the missing person until he is found, especially if that person is my co-worker. There is no acceptable reason for the flyers to be taken down at his work, IMO. None.

I just don't get it. If anyone connected to Nicholas knows his whereabouts I wish they would say something. And if they don't.......why wouldn't they call TES to help search? If I was missing a loved one I would want Tim Miller on the case ASAP. I don't understand, really I don't. [/*]

Where I used to work, we had a young man (early 20s) who worked for his dad part time at night at a service station. He was robbed, shot and killed over $20.00 worth of gas one Friday night. His picture hung on the wall for I know ten years.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by All4Nic [*]

I'm home all day. I'm totally willing to take this on, anyone who wants to work on gathering email lists for major newpapers in the states can PM me and I'll keep a list.

MISSION ONE:
PM me with the names of the states you'll work on. I'd say 3-5 per person so you can really focus!

I'm working with ThruTheTrees (I think that's how it's spelled.) to make an awesome press release. I'm hoping to post it here tomorrow. You should be able to copy/paste it using your own email program and hopefully we'll make an impact!

Regardless of whether or not Nicholas is alive, this could make a HUGE impact. Either find him, or scare the cr** out of someone who knows where he is!!!

Everyone can help, that's why were here!! [/*]

My work load changes from day to day, but barring any heavy stuff, I'm game!

I can definitely find all the news links in Kansas!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees [*]

Maybe they have heard from him... I'd like to think that's the case. It seems so strange that they are not out in the public trying to find him if they still haven't been contacted by him.

I know someone posted here that they thought the family has been quiet because they don't want to be "attacked" like some say his wife has been. But that doesn't make sense to me -- if their son and brother is missing, some ideas/speculation etc posted on the Internet should be the least of their worries. And with LE saying there is no evidence of foul play and none of him leaving on his own, I don't understand why anyone would choose to think the worse and then just give up. IMO. [/*]

Is there a link to a news article stating his family is quiet for this reason? If not, then I take it with a grain of salt. Without a news article on that, then I just see it as a poster coming up with their own idea of things....speculation.

I don't understand thinking the worst either without any evidence of it. That kind of erases any hope that he's alive and from what I've seen...most loved ones of missing people hold on to any string of hope they can find....even when things point otherwise. They still hold out that hope until their loved one is found.