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I don't see a note from CW saying not to start another thread...so....here you go!

ETA...don't forget the rules

[Shelby1]

Good morning Katie!

I stumbled upon this article that I had never read.

Brother of Oregon youth ministers missing
By Ed Langlois
Nicholas Francisco



Two women active in Catholic youth ministry in Washington County are in Seattle searching for their missing brother.

Nicholas Francisco, a 28-year-old art designer, has not been seen since leaving work in Seattle Feb. 13, an evening he had promised to make cookies with his four-year-old daughter.


http://www.sentinel.org/node/8824

© 2002-2008, Catholic Sentinel,

Carrying this over from the last thread.

While it's true that if Nicholas used his own name to register a new car, it could be traced, I wonder how much effort LE would be putting in to that level of trying to track him down? I guess if he got a traffic ticket or something then that would be recorded. But he's never had a traffic ticket in Washington state before, according to public records.

I think it's logical that he could have had someone helping him, or left by another means than a car.

I am curious about the last news report that he left his work with "personal belongings" -- they only said his laptop and iPod though, which seem like normal things to take home every day. Has anyone heard if he took other things too?


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Originally posted by invreporter1105 [*]

Hi, Amy.

So, are you suggesting that NF would have purchased another vehicle with no money or at least a credit check which could be traced? [/*]
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He might not have purchased any vehicle. If you are running away, you would not do anything that would leave tracks to find you, I think.

Maybe he left town completely. Had enough cash for a bus ticket or something. Plenty of people in big cities and little towns don't have vehicles.

One thing about someone who plans to walk away (as opposed to just ups and walks away on a whim) would be to stashing cash for some time--maybe little bits that wouldn't be noticed. I don't know that the person would use that for a vehicle right away, unless he has figured out a new identity--otherwise he would have to get license, insurance, tags under his present identity--and could be traced.

[MoonFlwr]

*Bringing this over from the previous thread*

Here is another guy that went missing in 2002. He is listed as Caucasian but looks a lot like the others. He is also over 6' and his car was found abandoned.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/tew_dixon.html


and yes there are a LOT of missing people in the state of WA

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He sure does look a lot like the others! I wonder if the location is close to or nowhere near where Nicholas went missing?

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie
I don't see a note from CW saying not to start another thread...so....here you go!

ETA...don't forget the rules

Hi all! I read the sticky, and the other threads locked and moved so I'm caught up. Wow!

It crossed my mind that maybe a thread discussing all the missing men from the state of Washington could be put up, since there are so many and several that happened during the same time period of NF's disappearance.

But it might be that all facts can't be discussed with those cases either.


(For those of you that don't check the Amber Board regularly, a Tampa young man missing recently was resolved. His body was found and his girlfriend {along with another man} was arrested in his murder. The victim's name is Charles Beck.)

Here is one that went missing back in '92. He was only 16 at the time but they did an age progression to 26 and he looks like all the rest of them to some degree. This one was in Oak Harbor which is North of Seattle but I don't know how far.
He is Caucasian and Native American.

I just find the similarities to all of the guys bizarre.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...r_douglas.html

This is the only other I found that is missing from Seattle but he was on his way to AK. He doesn't seem to fit the profile of the rest but I thought it strange he was going to Alaska.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/doss_john.html

[Postergeist]

Khoi Dang Vu has been missing since 2007

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/vu_k.htm

http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums...hp?t10608.html

So many times there are no photos with the name or there is no news links for the person listed as missing and sometimes sites aren't updated when there is a resolution.

This site does list 2 adult males (and 1 adult female) missing from the state of Washington with photos.

http://someoneismissing.com/washington/missing.htm

The men are Duna Iulian Florin and James Ehrgott.

Rory Shoemaker has been missing for more than 10 years

http://www1.co.snohomish.wa.us/Depar..._Shoemaker.htm

Reuben M. Lewis has been missing since 1991

http://www1.co.snohomish.wa.us/Depar...uben_Lewis.htm

Titanic [Ty] M. Hagen has been missing since '79

http://www1.co.snohomish.wa.us/Depar...anic_Hagen.htm

[AMS]

CAT TOY - here is the info you were looking for on family abandonment.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=26.20.030


Here is info on a Class C felony.

http://www.societyofcounsel.org/crim...ifications.htm


AMS

[Cury-us Coyote]

Waiting game difficult for kin of the missing
Caseload forces police to prioritize searches
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/80472.php

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote [*]Waiting game difficult for kin of the missing
Caseload forces police to prioritize searches
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/80472.php [/*]

after reading that I wonder if Nick is found alive if they have to say where he is because he is still responsible for the support of his children.

[AMS]

Originally posted by decor [*]

after reading that I wonder if Nick is found alive if they have to say where he is because he is still responsible for the support of his children. [/*]

That was my thought too Decor. Sounds like it is a crime to run off, at least if you have kids. Unless....they know where he is and he is forwarding $$$ for the kids.

[isitme]

Originally posted by AMS [*]


That was my thought too Decor. Sounds like it is a crime to run off, at least if you have kids. Unless....they know where he is and he is forwarding $$$ for the kids. [/*]

Well that is interesting information.

Originally posted by Envision [*]

There's no court order for child support so technically he is not doing anything illegal. The only people they'd have to tell of his whereabouts are the court and that's only if there is a case pending against him. [/*]

I meant if LE would have to tell his family so that child support could be filed.

[Miss Behavin]

Is there any news today?

[Postergeist]

No new updates on Nicholas that I can find for today.

The only "new" info is in obtaining a different abode, however that doesn't involve Nicholas directly, who's been missing now for 39 days.

Hope for Nicholas

[Cury-us Coyote]

Can I give my house back to the bank?
http://www.brokeroutpost.com/reference/137691.htm

[MoonFlwr]

Hi Cury-us

Not sure what that link is to, but it aint working for me!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr [*]Hi Cury-us

Not sure what that link is to, but it aint working for me! [/*]

Sorry it works for me - it details Pros and Cons of foreclosure.
Try
http://www.brokeroutpost.com/
go to site search at top and enter the title question (Can I give my house back to the bank?)
Good Luck and Happy Easter Eve.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Envision [*]Maybe Cat will come around soon and give us some topics to chew on. [/*]

Could we check out the other graphic designer that went missing 2005. Is it too late to check online ads for him?

What do we know about all 4 missing men from that area around Federal Way?

I have company all next week so will just be online occasionally.

Sorry I posted this before I saw Coldwaters post, please ignore my post.

Originally posted by CAT TOY [*]http://www.allbusiness.com/marketing...4179033-1.html

Internationa appeal? Boats, a Paris based Co? Where is NFs passport? Is it missing too? The more I've read about the accts this company was handling the more exposure I see that NF had..

CT [/*]

I don't know, CT; I've worked for any number of international companies and never travelled anywhere through work.

He wasn't a bigshot at Publicis. And even at the higher management levels, not everyone has access to everything. What kind of exposure do you think he had?

(Edit: P.S. Thank you Coldwater, & Happy Easter!!)

Originally posted by CAT TOY [*]Today I was remembering what it was like to work downtown. Im not sure of the parking in queen anne for Publicis but I did want to know; did NF use a parking garage as most do downtown? Or, did he park on the street? I had to use a parking garage and spots are like GOLD there and hard to come by unless your business gives you a space. Does anyone who lives near Publicis know if in fact he used a parking garage? I always felt the most vulnerable at the parking garage to be honest. It's a prime location to take someones car, rob them etc.
Seattle Eddie when you see this can you let me know? My sil lived in Queen Anne District and I rememeber it but not as well as downtown. Is the parking situation there an issue?
CT [/*]

I'm pretty sure it's already been said (one of the blogs) that he parked on the street...

Originally posted by CAT TOY [*] Hmmm I dont remember that at all. So, no parking garage for Publicis Employees? Are we sure? They are not always "garages" per say; they are actually Lots. Little lots that are managed by other ppl that you have to pay for a spot; monthly. Street parking would be insanely expensive. There are meters everywhere.
CT [/*]

I don't know necessarily that there isn't a garage for Publicis employees; just remember seeing that NF would have parked on the street. Could be a paid lot as well. What are you thinking here? IIRC he was expected to have been parked on the street; also IIRC paid lots near there are street level, open, uncovered.

[AMS]

Originally posted by andover [*]I thought I read somewhere that CF said that Nic did not have a passport. [/*]

I remember reading that as well.

Originally posted by CAT TOY [*]

Well, honestly I thnk he would have had exposure by phone or net to anyone in the corporation....and to be honest we spend 1/2 our lives at work. So his relationships and contacts thru work I would think would be key to finding out who he was in contact with on a daily basis. Someone in NY? Someone in Paris at HQ?
I hope that LE is going over his phone records from his ext or his online exposure thru his job.

I always had contact with the home offices, HQ and Ceos, even their family members; come to think of it. So via the phone and work his exposure to another country or someone in another state could have been very high. I was looking online at his job discription....it sounds like a great corp that has a lot of wonderful ppl working there. Worldwide. [/*]

It depends on what kind of work you're doing and what level you're at.

If we have a graphics designer on this board it'd be great to hear a typical project course, scope, level and frequency (and methods) of contact with client.

FWIW the work I've done with graphic designers has been all through email and definitely not constant; the idea is proposed with sketches, graphics are created and sent, comments sorted and changes finalized (signed off for invoicing or printing authorization or whatever arrangement), and then everyone moves on to the next project.

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote [*]Can I give my house back to the bank?
http://www.brokeroutpost.com/reference/137691.htm [/*]

This is interesting. I've read about a lot of people walking away from their homes due to both the subprime mess and also the depreciating values in some communities. I remember hearing about a community in California where lots of people just walked away from their homes, and even left their pets. It was very sad, the pets were starving and eating carpet and such.

According to this link, there is no benefit to one's credit if they give their home back to the bank. It still goes down as a foreclosure on the credit report.

Originally posted by CAT TOY [*]

Well, honestly I thnk he would have had exposure by phone or net to anyone in the corporation....and to be honest we spend 1/2 our lives at work. So his relationships and contacts thru work I would think would be key to finding out who he was in contact with on a daily basis. Someone in NY? Someone in Paris at HQ?
I hope that LE is going over his phone records from his ext or his online exposure thru his job.

I always had contact with the home offices, HQ and Ceos, even their family members; come to think of it. So via the phone and work his exposure to another country or someone in another state could have been very high. I was looking online at his job discription....it sounds like a great corp that has a lot of wonderful ppl working there. Worldwide. [/*]

I get what you're saying here but IME most international companies have regional offices -- I can't imagine he would be in contact with NY or Paris frequently or at all; more like Los Angeles, San Francisco, or even Las Vegas (same time zone).

Guess I'll go look at Publicis for a while to see if that makes sense.

ETA: lol I do not like their website design!!! blucch!
ETA: ooops! wrong site; but still...

Cat, where are you seeing jobs? I don't find them on Publicis sites...

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by K Anne [*]

I get what you're saying here but IME most international companies have regional offices -- I can't imagine he would be in contact with NY or Paris frequently or at all; more like Los Angeles, San Francisco, or even Las Vegas (same time zone).

Guess I'll go look at Publicis for a while to see if that makes sense. [/*]

Nicholas was an Art Director.. he is the head of a department at Publicis, this department takes an overall view of the ad, balance its color and layout, the words, etc. It was his job to approve all these things, when his subordinates have worked on an ad, make changes etc. He would sign off on all finished work.

Nicholas would have been given work from an Account Executive.. all correspondence concerning the ads/artwork would be handled by the Exec. with the client.

I was just glancing at Web Sleuths, and someone over there emailed the King County sheriff and got a reply back, with regard to the examination of Nicholas's car. Basically saying that they can't release any information since the car is "evidence" but that they have found no evidence of foul play in their investigation of it. I'm not sure if this would mean they have id'ed all of the fingerprints found in/on it and found no unknown prints or what.

It does say the case is still under investigation. So while they don't have any evidence from the car, they must still have some suspicions.

I understand we are not supposed to talk about other cases here, but I am trying to take a bigger view of this one, so maybe someone can PM me a reply to this question.

I am wondering if any of you that have been following missing person cases for awhile, have ever come across a case where the missing person has returned after a couple months, and his or her family/loved ones have moved away in his/her absence?

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees [*]I was just glancing at Web Sleuths, and someone over there emailed the King County sheriff and got a reply back, with regard to the examination of Nicholas's car. Basically saying that they can't release any information since the car is "evidence" but that they have found no evidence of foul play in their investigation of it. I'm not sure if this would mean they have id'ed all of the fingerprints found in/on it and found no unknown prints or what.

It does say the case is still under investigation. So while they don't have any evidence from the car, they must still have some suspicions. [/*]

You beat me to this.....I was going to post the same thing.

Originally posted by HarlettOhara [*]

Nicholas was an Art Director.. he is the head of a department at Publicis, this department takes an overall view of the ad, balance its color and layout, the words, etc. It was his job to approve all these things, when his subordinates have worked on an ad, make changes etc. He would sign off on all finished work.

Nicholas would have been given work from an Account Executive.. all correspondence concerning the ads/artwork would be handled by the Exec. with the client. [/*]

Thanks Harlett; I figured something like that. Working at international companies sounds so full of glamour or potential but IME the jet-setting is done mostly by sales and upper management, more's the pity (my own passport would like me to have an expense account).

[Danette44]

Originally posted by CAT TOY [*]

I cant imagine the upheaval it would cause the kids. I do understand worrying about your bills and how you'll pay them etc..
But without the focus on NF; it makes me sad....concerned. Lets say that NF turns up somewhere with a head injury. He returns home and no longer has a home. I do not get this. Maybe a year later...I could see being forced to leave or move. It seems callous to me.

I think that phone contact with anyone throughout the company even international is not out of the question. I understand they got the cell phone records but I'd be more interested in his Ext phone records thru Publicis. And his PC; and email acct at work.
Who thinks that NF walked away; and is alive and everyone had this man; wrong. No one really knew him? Is that the deal? [/*]

Seems like he really didn't have an outside life other than w/his family....

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees [*]

This is interesting. I've read about a lot of people walking away from their homes due to both the subprime mess and also the depreciating values in some communities. I remember hearing about a community in California where lots of people just walked away from their homes, and even left their pets. It was very sad, the pets were starving and eating carpet and such.

According to this link, there is no benefit to one's credit if they give their home back to the bank. It still goes down as a foreclosure on the credit report. [/*]

I've been away from the internet for about 2 weeks and haven't had time to read all the old posts so was wondering what this is all about? Are the Franciscos moving out of their house??

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by Curiouser [*]

I've been away from the internet for about 2 weeks and haven't had time to read all the old posts so was wondering what this is all about? Are the Franciscos moving out of their house?? [/*]

Still No Sign Of Missing Seatac Father
Now, on the one month anniversary of his disappearance, his pregnant wife Christine is being faced with another hardship - bankruptcy.
http://q13.trb.com/news/kcpq-031308-...,6258147.story

http://www.kirotv.com/video/15589884/index.html

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote [*]

Still No Sign Of Missing Seatac Father
Now, on the one month anniversary of his disappearance, his pregnant wife Christine is being faced with another hardship - bankruptcy.
http://q13.trb.com/news/kcpq-031308-...,6258147.story

http://www.kirotv.com/video/15589884/index.html [/*]

Thanks, Cury-us. I checked out both items.

[Track292003]

IIRC, what CF actually said in response to a question about whether NF had a passport, she said he didn't have a passport that she knew of.

Just a slight difference, but much less definite than saying he didn't have one, period.

Originally posted by Curiouser [*]

I've been away from the internet for about 2 weeks and haven't had time to read all the old posts so was wondering what this is all about? Are the Franciscos moving out of their house?? [/*]

According to posts on the supportingchristine.blogspot.com and the Mars Hill blog post about Nicholas, the family has been given a rent-free home to move to, so that the wife can walk away from the house and mortgage.

Originally posted by CAT TOY [*]

I cant imagine the upheaval it would cause the kids. I do understand worrying about your bills and how you'll pay them etc..
But without the focus on NF; it makes me sad....concerned. Lets say that NF turns up somewhere with a head injury. He returns home and no longer has a home. I do not get this. Maybe a year later...I could see being forced to leave or move. It seems callous to me.

I think that phone contact with anyone throughout the company even international is not out of the question. I understand they got the cell phone records but I'd be more interested in his Ext phone records thru Publicis. And his PC; and email acct at work.
Who thinks that NF walked away; and is alive and everyone had this man; wrong. No one really knew him? Is that the deal? [/*]

To answer your last question, unless it was random violence that left no evidence, then it seems clear that, yes, there were things about Nicholas that no one knew -- or no one is willing to admit.

As far as the moving to a new home, there is also the possibility that could be part of a larger strategy to solving the case and finding Nicholas -- by LE, by the wife, by people advising her. IMO, not too likely, but possible nevertheless. Things are not always as they seem.