Discuss the Maria Lauterbach case

nuttintodo · #1 03-20-2008, 07:28 PM

I have the pictures of the preliminary report uploaded. I was in the middle of posting them when CW shut the board down.

I will attempt to post them again in a few minutes.

#2 03-20-2008, 07:29 PM

Thanks nuttin!

daniel green · #3 03-20-2008, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sami [*]

This report was evidently the first one, like Old lady posted, done at the scene or shortly thereafter.

I guess we need to go with the Autopsy. [/*]

NO NO NO NO.

The body was viwed at the hospital--per this report-- on 1/12/08 at 0915.

ME was notified--per this report--on 1/11/08 +/-1630

This is not a preliminary report.

It is exactly what it says it is.

Report of INVESTIGATION by medical examiner.

gaelicpeas · #4 03-20-2008, 07:35 PM

Did I read this report correctly by the OC ME to say that she was unclothed? TIA

daniel green · #5 03-20-2008, 07:37 PM

http://www.ocme.unc.edu/rules/guidelines.shtml

. The ME must make a record of his/her findings and of the circumstances of the death on the "Report of Investigation form and on such diagrams, etc., as may be needed to completely document the case. These records are to be sent to the OCME within 14 days of notification of the death. The ME should keep a copy of all documents for his/her records.

9. As the official" document of a public official, the medical examiner's Report of Investigation reflects on the medical examiner, the medical profession, and on the medical examiner system. , the medical profession, and on the medical examiner system. Examiners should try to make it as legible as possible, complete, and relevant. This report may be the only record (other than the death certificate) prepared in connection with this death. The findings of an ME investigation may be critical to the resolution of a variety of legal and social issues. Medical abbreviations may pose problems for many non-medical people who read the reports.

10. The ME Report of Investigation and the autopsy report once received and reviewed at the OCME are public records.

11. The ME must complete the "Medical Examiner Certificate of Death" on every case over which he/she assumes jurisdiction. ALL copies of the certificate are to be forwarded to the local Registrar of the County of death, usually through the funeral home handling the final disposition of the body. A death under ME jurisdiction CANNOT be certified on a non-medical examiner death certificate.

12. If the cause and/or manner of death is not known or for some other reason the death certificate diagnoses cannot be immediately completed, the certificate should be marked as pending" and forwarded as noted above. A supplemental death certificate can be filed later with the local registrar. Please bear in mind that the completion and filing of the death certificate is often crucial to families of decedents in order to settle estates, collect insurance and resolve other death-related matters. Medical examiners should do all they can to insure that no unnecessary delays occur in generating this important document.

13. Only rarely would any medical examiner take custody of the property or valuables of a decedent. Wallets, jewelry, and the like can be transferred to the possession of law enforcement officers, funeral directors, or family members. It should be noted on the investigation report what disposition is made of any personal effects especially the more valuable personal property. Please exercise caution regarding the leaving of valuables with a body that is put in an unsecured morgue facility.

14. Bodies should be released only to the next of kin or their agents.

gaelicpeas · #6 03-20-2008, 07:37 PM

I hope everybody knows to come over to this holiday forum...

IvySterling · #7 03-20-2008, 07:41 PM

Dental Report I received attached to Autopsy Report
Part One:
http://i29.tinypic.com/16c9r14.jpg
Part Two:
http://i27.tinypic.com/2ue76na.jpg

daniel green · #8 03-20-2008, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gaelicpeas [*]Did I read this report correctly by the OC ME to say that she was unclothed? TIA [/*]

I don't think so.

On bottom of pg 2 it says Clothing_____________
___ not clothed

Valuables: _____________
___ no valuables

daniel green · #9 03-20-2008, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IvySterling [*]Dental Report I received attached to Autopsy Report
Part One:
http://i29.tinypic.com/16c9r14.jpg
Part Two:
http://i27.tinypic.com/2ue76na.jpg [/*]

Ivy, yes, that was attached with the autopsy report pdf.

IvySterling · #10 03-20-2008, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by daniel green [*]

Ivy, yes, that was attached with the autopsy report pdf. [/*]

Thanks daniel, I posted it for nuttin as she didn't get it.

gaelicpeas · #11 03-20-2008, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by daniel green [*]

I don't think so.

On bottom of pg 2 it says Clothing_____________
___ not clothed

Valuables: _____________
___ no valuables [/*]

Okay, thanks, I couldn't tell if those were added comments (not clothed, no valuables) or check boxes, since usually the blanks are either before or after, not one after, one before.

nuttintodo · #12 03-20-2008, 07:46 PM

I beg to differ as to whether this is a prelim report versus an actual autopsy.

If you remember back when we found out the COD, it was reported (and I think it was either SB or Hudson or someone from their respective offices) stated on camera the COD was Blunt Force Trauma to the Head. Also during this presser, it was stated that Maria's body had been taken over to Onslow Memorial Hospital for examination and then her body would be transferred to the NC ME's Office in Chapel Hill for a FULL autopsy. There is NO mention of Maria's baby in this paper report other than it stating she was 8 months pregnant.

The electronic copy that we received, as well as the one JDNews has online is the FULL autopsy report. Also in the electronic copy the baby is mentioned and tells us about the state of the baby, etc.

So this IR is the PRELIMINARY, not the full autopsy. JMHO

Now onto the pictures that I uploaded of this paper report.

This is what's on the front page:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...8/100_1300.jpg

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/n...t=100_1301.jpg

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/n...t=100_1302.jpg

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/n...t=100_1304.jpg

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/n...t=100_1305.jpg

Page 2 of IR:

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/n...t=100_1306.jpg

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/n...t=100_1307.jpg

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/n...t=100_1308.jpg

Back page of IR:

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/n...t=100_1310.jpg

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/n...t=100_1315.jpg

NOTE: Page 3 is the diagrams with nothing marked on them.

nuttintodo · #13 03-20-2008, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IvySterling [*]Dental Report I received attached to Autopsy Report
Part One:
http://i29.tinypic.com/16c9r14.jpg
Part Two:
http://i27.tinypic.com/2ue76na.jpg [/*]

Yes Ivy I did get that in the electronic copy. I thought you meant hard copy.

Thanks though!!

nuttintodo · #14 03-20-2008, 07:53 PM

Okay now I see what you are saying daniel!

This is the paper report as to what Dr. Garrett saw, etc. on 1/11 through 1/12/08.

This is not the full autopsy as that was performed at the NC ME's office on 1/14/08.

Maybe my terminology usage is wrong, that why I said it was a prelim as it wasn't the full autopsy.

Hope I made sense with the above.

JMO

IvySterling · #15 03-20-2008, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

Yes Ivy I did get that in the electronic copy. I thought you meant hard copy.

Thanks though!! [/*]

LOL, okies, just wanted to make sure you had it. I didn't ask for a hard copy to be mailed, just via email.

scillak · #16 03-20-2008, 08:05 PM

Just bringing the dates over from the prior thread...

Onset of Injuy +/- 12/16/07 Time :?

Death 12/16/07 time: ?

View of body: 1/12/08 time: 0915

ME notified: 1/11/08 time: +/- 1630.

Last known to be aliave: 12/15/07 time: ?

henry · #17 03-20-2008, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gaelicpeas [*]I hope everybody knows to come over to this holiday forum... [/*]

thanks for the invite!

don't mean to interrupt but i've noticed some of us doing a tippie toe ballet dance today . . . until we can get clarification from c/w on monday, a poster (who shall remain unnamed) pm'd me this suggestion . . . what do you folks think?

"I think re a person's name not already published by media might have to be announced like 'hey I found out a person's associated with CL pm me for info'"

strick10 · #18 03-20-2008, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gaelicpeas [*]I hope everybody knows to come over to this holiday forum... [/*]

I found myself all alone and talking to myself on the other board page......till I tried to post and it wouldn't let me. Figured y'all would be on the holiday board. Now I can't remember what I was saying!

gpeas

nuttintodo · #19 03-20-2008, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by henry [*]

thanks for the invite!

don't mean to interrupt but i've noticed some of us doing a tippie toe ballet dance today . . . until we can get clarification from c/w on monday, a poster (who shall remain unnamed) pm'd me this suggestion . . . what do you folks think?

"I think re a person's name not already published by media might have to be announced like 'hey I found out a person's associated with CL pm me for info'" [/*]

I concur, that is the best thing to do.

caejde · #20 03-20-2008, 08:15 PM

I just wanted to post something as far as the pregnancy goes. This report that has just been posted does mention Maria at being 8 months. And I think that is just because what was told. If I'm not mistaken, it was said they didn't know the baby's gestational age. Anyway, I just wanted to post something as to weeks vs. months of pregnancy. Month 8 encompasses weeks 31-35. And month 9 encompasses weeks 36-40.

nuttintodo · #21 03-20-2008, 08:17 PM

Matter of fact, here is a picture of Dr. Garrett (the grey haired gentleman) at the Laurean residence.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...Marine_NCL.jpg

ETA: Here is a article over at JDNews.com about Dr. Garrett, that was published on 12/19/07.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/garrett_5...h_someone.html

nuttintodo · #22 03-20-2008, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by old_lady [*]

So he did respond? I wouldn't be surprised because they had to exhume the body. Nice looking man. [/*]

I edited my post before yours.

And yes he did respond to the scene. IIRC he went on both days: 1/11/08 and 1/12/08.

Here's an article about Dr. Garrett that is over at JDNews.com.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/garrett_5...h_someone.html

strick10 · #23 03-20-2008, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by caejde [*]I just wanted to post something as far as the pregnancy goes. This report that has just been posted does mention Maria at being 8 months. And I think that is just because what was told. If I'm not mistaken, it was said they didn't know the baby's gestational age. Anyway, I just wanted to post something as to weeks vs. months of pregnancy. Month 8 encompasses weeks 31-35. And month 9 encompasses weeks 36-40. [/*]

I agree w/ you on this caejde.

strick10 · #24 03-20-2008, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by henry [*]

thanks for the invite!

don't mean to interrupt but i've noticed some of us doing a tippie toe ballet dance today . . . until we can get clarification from c/w on monday, a poster (who shall remain unnamed) pm'd me this suggestion . . . what do you folks think?

"I think re a person's name not already published by media might have to be announced like 'hey I found out a person's associated with CL pm me for info'" [/*]

I may be traumatized from talking to myself earlier.....I don't get what you're saying.

henry · #25 03-20-2008, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strick10 [*]

I may be traumatized from talking to myself earlier.....I don't get what you're saying. [/*]

okay . . . let me give this a try

. . . in prior days/weeks/months some people here have found out information that may or may not be relative to this case. that information may include a person's name. if that person's name has NOT been mentioned in a news article, video or other type of published media . . . that person's name should not be typed on a public message board. that person's name, however, can be made available to those posters that want it by pm'ing the person that posted "quote above" or words similar to that.

how'd i do?

strick10 · #26 03-20-2008, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by henry [*]

okay . . . let me give this a try

. . . in prior days/weeks/months some people here have found out information that may or may not be relative to this case. that information may include a person's name. if that person's name has NOT been mentioned in a news article, video or other type of published media . . . that person's name should not be typed on a public message board. that person's name, however, can be made available to those posters that want it by pm'ing the person that posted "quote above" or words similar to that.

how'd i do? [/*]

Ohhhhhhhh, okay. I say yes.

SavannahStar · #27 03-20-2008, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gaelicpeas [*]I hope everybody knows to come over to this holiday forum... [/*]

henry · #28 03-20-2008, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strick10 [*]

Ohhhhhhhh, okay. I say yes. [/*]

fewf! i should have changed "public message board" to "in session message board" cause i think (?) other message boards do allow this . . . jmo

SavannahStar · #29 03-20-2008, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strick10 [*]

I may be traumatized from talking to myself earlier.....I don't get what you're saying. [/*]

nuttintodo · #30 03-20-2008, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strick10 [*]

I may be traumatized from talking to myself earlier.....I don't get what you're saying. [/*]

Strick what were you saying to yourself? Were you

'ing or sumptin?

strick10 · #31 03-20-2008, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

Strick what were you saying to yourself? Were you

'ing or sumptin?

[/*]

I wasn't

that time. Must've been a bad convo as I can't remember what I had posted, what I was saying or thinking.

SavannahStar · #32 03-20-2008, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by old_lady [*]I wondered if anyone else noticed the ME wrote in his report "This US Marine ect ect.
I found that most respectful. He could have written just white female.

Also the dentist said she had beautiful teeth. I found that special also.

Just some thoughts. [/*]

That was nice, good observations, old lady.

strick10 · #33 03-20-2008, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nelkirk [*]One thing about this case:

Don't get hung up on a specific date it can change in a heartbeat!!! [/*]

That it can and probably will in the end. I think it happened on the 15th sometime.

crymeariver2006 · #34 03-20-2008, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strick10 [*]

That it can and probably will in the end. I think it happened on the 15th sometime. [/*]

I think late 14th, very early 15th.

(I like to cover all my bases

)

henry · #35 03-20-2008, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strick10 [*]

That it can and probably will in the end. I think it happened on the 15th sometime. [/*]

i think so too but what hangs me up is her cell phone being turned off, iirc, when her mom tried to call her that nite. i personally don't think maria turned her phone off . . . jmo.

strick10 · #36 03-20-2008, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by henry [*]

i think so too but what hangs me up is her cell phone being turned off, iirc, when her mom tried to call her that nite. i personally don't think maria turned her phone off . . . jmo. [/*]

I haven't quite made up my mind on the cell phone issue.

SavannahStar · #37 03-20-2008, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strick10 [*]

I haven't quite made up my mind on the cell phone issue. [/*]

I have not either strick.

henry · #38 03-20-2008, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strick10 [*]

I haven't quite made up my mind on the cell phone issue. [/*]

what's hanging you up (no pun intended) either way . . . the date - where it was found . . . ???

strick10 · #39 03-20-2008, 09:22 PM

From the report that was posted earlier: Am I understanding this right, the painting to cover up evidence happened in the garage only? Am I to assume that cleaning up evidence in the home is the only thing that happened, no paint?

henry · #40 03-20-2008, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strick10 [*]From the report that was posted earlier: Am I understanding this right, the painting to cover up evidence happened in the garage only? Am I to assume that cleaning up evidence in the home is the only thing that happened, no paint? [/*]

well, from one painter to another, those living room walls looked pretty glossy to me the way the sun reflected off them - probably semi-gloss or eggshell . . . and that's quite washable. i think they missed the interior ceilings . . . iirc, sbrown mentioned blood spatters (?) there. the garage looks to me like flat white cause you can see the spackle marks thru the paint . . . jmo