Maria Lauterbach=Thursday 03-20-08 a.m.

henry · #1 03-20-2008, 05:22 AM

good morning and happy 1st day of spring . . . maybe today cesar will pop out of the ground? went over to the "holiday" thread and it's not open yet - so my apologies to c/w for starting here (as we have many early morning readers).

i'd like to put out a "sos" for a missing post on the case theories thread - marcia3's post is no longer there . . . maybe it got inadvertently moved to another thread . . . so if anyone sees it - please let marcia3 know.

crap - nuttintodo & i didn't plan for the holiday thread - that means the case theories thread will be closed - so it looks like more time to theorize . . . will wait to hear how nuttintodo's schedule is next week . . . stay tuned for updates

also part 2 - rick leventhal catches up with former marine sgt. michael timmons (video) is now available for your viewing pleasure
(video is on your right blue & red box)
http://search2.foxnews.com/search?ie...rick+leventhal

henry · #2 03-20-2008, 05:27 AM

note to cancan: your absence will be missed but - hah - no excuse for not checking in or at least catching up . . . helpful hint #35(?) hilton hotels in both locations have internet access

in case cesar is found during your trip.

henry · #3 03-20-2008, 05:35 AM

oops . . . almost forgot to copy over c/w's message from last nite - 3-19-08 10:08 p.m.: quote

Sorry, had to do some clean up.

You MUST follow copyright rules. You MUST have written permission from owner of photos to use them on another site.
NO PERSONAL INFO should be posted for the safety of the people whose info you post.

caejde · #4 03-20-2008, 08:37 AM

Morning all!

caejde · #5 03-20-2008, 08:58 AM

Bringing over a post last night from nuttintodo.

nuttintodo
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Originally posted by caejde [*]Ok, I took a couple pictures of the ATM that Cesar used as well. I forgot my camera but I took these with my cell phone. I didn't get out of the truck and I was on my home from the gym. Sorry if they didn't turn out well.

This one is a head on shot of the ATM.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../0319081830.jpg

This is a side shot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../0319081831.jpg [/*]
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TY caejde! You did good!

Now there's Wendy's, Bojangles, the convenience store, Michaelangelo's there. What other stores are there?

Behind the ATM there is Food Lion, Johnson Drugs, Moka Joes, Dominoes, the Japanese place, and I think a Dollar General. And if you are standing right in front of the ATM, the Cash Points is to the right of that closer to the gas station/Wendy's.

Just asking about when the ATM starts recording because it looks like when Maria and Cesar are using it, it started recording as they were walking up.

nuttintodo · #6 03-20-2008, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]Bringing over a post last night from nuttintodo.

nuttintodo
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Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Under a Carolina blue sky!
Posts: 3208

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Originally posted by caejde [*]Ok, I took a couple pictures of the ATM that Cesar used as well. I forgot my camera but I took these with my cell phone. I didn't get out of the truck and I was on my home from the gym. Sorry if they didn't turn out well.

This one is a head on shot of the ATM.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../0319081830.jpg

This is a side shot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../0319081831.jpg [/*]
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TY caejde! You did good!

Now there's Wendy's, Bojangles, the convenience store, Michaelangelo's there. What other stores are there?

Behind the ATM there is Food Lion, Johnson Drugs, Moka Joes, Dominoes, the Japanese place, and I think a Dollar General. And if you are standing right in front of the ATM, the Cash Points is to the right of that closer to the gas station/Wendy's.

Just asking about when the ATM starts recording because it looks like when Maria and Cesar are using it, it started recording as they were walking up. [/*]

TY caejde for the pictures, you really did great! Donna is going to ask her bank person about when they start recording and will let us know what he says later on.

Also my oldest DD was reading the board and she brought up another thought.

Did you ever have or do a recall list while you were AD?

My DD seems to think there is also a possibility that both CAL and Maria knew each other's address prior to 12/14/07 because of a recall list.

For all who don't know about a recall list, each AD Marine, in their respective unit, company has to provide a name, address, current phone numbers, etc. so if they are ever recalled, they can be contacted and then contact each other (you know something like a prayer chain, etc.). She says her hubby has his list and this list is to be carried in their wallets at all times.

jmo

Good morning all!

sexxytazz · #7 03-20-2008, 09:19 AM

Adding this for anybody unaware...

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/index.php?

For the weekend, log in under the above link and click weekend forum.

Have a great Easter everyone!

nuttintodo · #8 03-20-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

Like a telephone tree, we used to have them one place I worked in case of emergency, you would be resp for calling the next 2 people under you on the list. Like that? we didn't had addresses tho but ours was for a different purpose. [/*]

Yes AB, very similar indeed. AD Marines also have to provide their current addresses in case they have to be picked up, etc.

My husband has one at his work on the base too.

JMO

nuttintodo · #9 03-20-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by Sami [*]I hope nuttin will re-post her good links from yesterday. I wanted to look at them some more.

G'morning, everyone. Easter is almost here.

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Which ones Sami? I have a little time right now.

nuttintodo · #10 03-20-2008, 09:28 AM

Side of house taken yesterday:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...house31908.jpg

Back view from the former Alander residence towards the Laurean's:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...house31908.jpg

caejde · #11 03-20-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

TY caejde for the pictures, you really did great! Donna is going to ask her bank person about when they start recording and will let us know what he says later on.

Also my oldest DD was reading the board and she brought up another thought.

Did you ever have or do a recall list while you were AD?

My DD seems to think there is also a possibility that both CAL and Maria knew each other's address prior to 12/14/07 because of a recall list.

For all who don't know about a recall list, each AD Marine, in their respective unit, company has to provide a name, address, current phone numbers, etc. so if they are ever recalled, they can be contacted and then contact each other (you know something like a prayer chain, etc.). She says her hubby has his list and this list is to be carried in their wallets at all times.

jmo

Good morning all!

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Yes, we did have a recall list. Address, cell phone, home phone. And if anything changed, you would have to notify the Platoon Sergeant so they could get changed and then reprinted and passed out...and they changed quite often.

caejde · #12 03-20-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

Yes, we did have a recall list. Address, cell phone, home phone. And if anything changed, you would have to notify the Platoon Sergeant so they could get changed and then reprinted and passed out...and they changed quite often. [/*]

Also, just wanted to add even Reservists would have a recall list. When my husband got out of the Marines and joined the National Guard, they had recall lists in the event they had to get called up.

martha · #13 03-20-2008, 09:39 AM

Thanks Henry I can always count on you I hope your family knows how very much we enjoy you being on here to keep us up to date. I will be checking in all day and the week end also. Just hoping to hear that cl is in jail. I hope BGB will tell us how her daughter is doing.

martha · #14 03-20-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by Sami [*]I hope nuttin will re-post her good links from yesterday. I wanted to look at them some more.

G'morning, everyone. Easter is almost here.

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Hi Sami or you going to have a big easter? I think my children will come and we will cook out. Always good for them to come after church. have a very good day

nuttintodo · #15 03-20-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

Also, just wanted to add even Reservists would have a recall list. When my husband got out of the Marines and joined the National Guard, they had recall lists in the event they had to get called up. [/*]

I didn't even think about the Reservists. TY caejde!

When my soon to be ex-sil got out, he went into the Reserves and was recalled to AD in December after he got out in July. He went back to Iraq for the third time.

caejde · #16 03-20-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

I didn't even think about the Reservists. TY caejde!

When my soon to be ex-sil got out, he went into the Reserves and was recalled to AD in December after he got out in July. He went back to Iraq for the third time. [/*]

I wasn't either until I remembered seeing my husband's recall list from the Guard. We've dealt with alot of branches of military. My husband wanted to stay Marines, but there were no reserve units close by-nearest was like 3 hours. So he joined Army National Guard and went to Iraq. When we moved to PA, he went Air National Guard. And now he's out all together.

henry · #17 03-20-2008, 09:58 AM

i think i gave lyn t some bad advice - i thought you could post links to someone's info - if it was public knowledge and on the web . . . but, correct me if i'm wrong, one cannot reprint that info here, except for one paragraph . . . or one can paraphrase the info? just want to make sure i've got it right. also, can that person's name be typed here? i've been reading up on that college blogging site that's getting way out of hand . . . no link yet . . . so jmo

#18 03-20-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]Side of house taken yesterday:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...house31908.jpg

Back view from the former Alander residence towards the Laurean's:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...house31908.jpg [/*]

Notice the dark clouds rolling above - it gives the house an even eerier feel. In response to previous posters, I personally could not live in that house - the backyard gives me the creeps.

IMO

henry · #19 03-20-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

I think my son is going to stick w/ the guard too although that doesn't guarantee he will not be deployed. He decided no amount of bonus was worth being away from his family. I hear reservists are coming out of bootcamp and getting deployed to Iraq and Kosovo in 1-2 mos time. He has 2 friends who are going to Korea and 2 who are going to Italy. who knows what his future will hold. I know he can't wait till graduation day tho.
4.5 more weeks. anyone else have any other news I should know? TIA. [/*]

i hope you watched that video link above . . . this guy was bummed out after getting back home to civilian life . . . and went into the reserves to maintain the friendship, camaraderie, etc. . . . very heartwarming

caejde · #20 03-20-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by henry [*]

i hope you watched that video link above . . . this guy was bummed out after getting back home to civilian life . . . and went into the reserves to maintain the friendship, camaraderie, etc. . . . very heartwarming [/*]

There's definitely days that my husband and I both miss it...it's hard to describe.

nuttintodo · #21 03-20-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by henry [*]i think i gave lyn t some bad advice - i thought you could post links to someone's info - if it was public knowledge and on the web . . . but, correct me if i'm wrong, one cannot reprint that info here, except for one paragraph . . . or one can paraphrase the info? just want to make sure i've got it right. also, can that person's name be typed here? i've been reading up on that college blogging site that's getting way out of hand . . . no link yet . . . so jmo [/*]

Here's what CW posted last night after maintenance:

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So this holds true as to the neighbor of the Laurean's.

jmo

crymeariver2006 · #22 03-20-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

I didn't even think about the Reservists. TY caejde!

When my soon to be ex-sil got out, he went into the Reserves and was recalled to AD in December after he got out in July. He went back to Iraq for the third time. [/*]

Awww man, you could have pm'd me to give me a heads up that Wanda had moved. But nooooo, I had to find out this morning the old fashioned way - reading thru last night's thread!

(J/K)

henry · #23 03-20-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]I was just wondering, especially to nuttin and henry- how come we have to keep submitting things to Sutherland? If he had a link to the IS boards he could read the theories thread now and as it evolves over time, cos we DO come up with some good ideas here IMO. He wouldn't have to even be a member, he can just read them. Did anyone suggest to him that he could do that too?
Also print the theories thread out (its not even 1 whole page long right now) and mail to to him as well- good commode reading if he's strapped for time

jus thinkin'.

AB [/*]

hah! can you imagine the ribbing he'd get if they ever backtracked on his computer or one of the investigators asked . . . where'd you get that theory from! but, hopefully, his dw or so is doing some reading . . . i know my dh has me check out some stuff for him at home

spy glasses on & ready!!!

edit . . . i'm off doing errands for a few (hours . . . eek)

Marcia3 · #24 03-20-2008, 10:44 AM

Good morning all! Typing really fast 'cuz I'm afraid CW will lock the threads and move everything over to the holiday board before I click Submit!

Henry, thx for asking for anyone to be on the lookout for my theory that I posted on that thread. I didn't ask for it to be removed, but maybe it just got caught up in the big net...

If I get time, I'll repost my theory later today.

I'll be in and out all weekend, so Happy Spring, and Happy Easter to all here just in case I don't remember to say that later!

We need an Easter bunny icon...so instead how about a chickie icon?

nuttintodo · #25 03-20-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

Awww man, you could have pm'd me to give me a heads up that Wanda had moved. But nooooo, I had to find out this morning the old fashioned way - reading thru last night's thread!

(J/K) [/*]

Sorry cryme!

me, I can take it! LOL

strick10 · #26 03-20-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by Sami [*]I forgot to ask this:

Could anybody here explain the Article 90 to me? I was researching about what might happen to Cesar if the Baby had proven that he had committed adultery, and the Article 90 was mentioned. JMO [/*]

I believe IIRC Article 90 regards the asault and willfully disobeying a superior commissioned officer......Adultery is article 134 if I'm not misaken.

caejde · #27 03-20-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by strick10 [*]

I believe IIRC Article 90 regards the asault and willfully disobeying a superior commissioned officer......Adultery is article 134 if I'm not misaken. [/*]

Yep, you're right...Article 90 is Assaulting or willfully disobeying superior comissioned officer.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punit...es/a/mcm90.htm

And adultery falls under the 134-2

strick10 · #28 03-20-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Sami [*]

Thank you, strick. I thought that was posted here at one time, but couldn't find it.

I did find this link -- and some interesting info, imo: http://www.29palms.usmc.mil/base/saf...punishment.asp

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Definately interesting info. caedje posted a link upthread that is a pretty good one regarding UCMJ as well.

strick10 · #29 03-20-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by Sami [*]

I clicked on the 'Sexual Harassment' link on the left panel, and found this description:

http://www.29palms.usmc.mil/base/safety/eo/shrr.asp [/*]

I'm sorry Sami but I'm not sure what you're getting at.

nuttintodo · #30 03-20-2008, 12:08 PM

Caejde, did you remove your pictures of the ATM from Photobucket? TIA

caejde · #31 03-20-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]Caejde, did you remove your pictures of the ATM from Photobucket? TIA [/*]

No, I didn't. They are still there. Are they not showing up?

caejde · #32 03-20-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by old_lady [*]An article32 hearing has been compared to a grand jury in the civilian world.

Can an article 32 hearing bring about any charges that may be shown from testimony and evidence? [/*]

That is what the Article 32 is. It's like a grand jury in the civilian world. Testimony is given, evidence is shown. Based on that, it would be determined who faces charges and on what. And I believe that is when they are formally charged. Then it goes to court martial-which is like a court preceding in civilian sector. They have a jury-the type of court martial determines who makes up the jury.

nuttintodo · #33 03-20-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

No, I didn't. They are still there. Are they not showing up? [/*]

Nope.

caejde · #34 03-20-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

Nope.

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Hmmm, weird because it just did for me.

Try it now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...0319081831.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...0319081830.jpg

nuttintodo · #35 03-20-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

Hmmm, weird because it just did for me.

Try it now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...0319081831.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...0319081830.jpg [/*]

I don't know what happened earlier. When I tried to go there earlier, I got a thing saying the picture had been removed by photobucket and the same happened with the second too.

Whew, I'm glad they are still there! TYVM

caejde · #36 03-20-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by old_lady [*]

Very interesting. So if there wasn't enough evidence for a charge of rape, there may have been enough, with the DNA of the baby to charge Cesar with adultery or lying. Maybe perjury even. I don't think Maria would have been charged as she is claiming rape even if it can't be proven.

Interesting the article 32 was to be in December and that would be when the baby was due, according to Maria's uncle.

He said Maria's mother was going to see Maria around the 24th, for the birth IIRC.

I think they were waiting for that DNA to schedule the actual date of the hearing.

jmoo [/*]

Yes, if the baby was proven to be his and they can't charge rape, there could have been other charges. I don't think Maria was due in December. If she was due in December she would have been having weekly appointments starting back in November. That wasn't the case...her next apointment after 11/26 was 12/26. Based on what the Navy docs said her conception date was, she was due February...unless that due date was changed at her 20 week sonogram....all just my beliefs though.

caejde · #37 03-20-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

I don't know what happened earlier. When I tried to go there earlier, I got a thing saying the picture had been removed by photobucket and the same happened with the second too.

Whew, I'm glad they are still there! TYVM [/*]

You're welcome!

caejde · #38 03-20-2008, 12:28 PM

**Edited...didn't mean to submit twice.

Marcia3 · #39 03-20-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

Yes, if the baby was proven to be his and they can't charge rape, there could have been other charges. I don't think Maria was due in December. If she was due in December she would have been having weekly appointments starting back in November. That wasn't the case...her next apointment after 11/26 was 12/26. Based on what the Navy docs said her conception date was, she was due February...unless that due date was changed at her 20 week sonogram....all just my beliefs though. [/*]

She was due in February...some discussion early on that perhaps her due date was off by a few weeks...but definitely not due in December. JMO.

CANDYKISSES · #40 03-20-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by Sami [*]

I'm just always amazed (and proud) at how strongly the MC speaks out again sexual harassment/assault/rape, etc.

I think they have plenty of procedures in place that sound almost more fair to the supposed victim than to the supposed suspect.

And though I'm not getting at anything, it always makes me wonder if something went wrong that Maria seemed to struggle with her treatment.

Even Sexual Harassment seems to be structured so that anyone trying to remain stellar would be afraid to so much as speak sexually or tease or anything else, much less commit adultery, if he/she wanted to maintain that high status within the Corps.

This whole thing is just so confusing.

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IF her mother and uncle were right in what they thought about her being bipolar, that could explain much.

That's why many posters here have tried to explain that Sami. If you read up on some of the false rape allegations, you will find a coincidence of behavior disorders/mental illness in the victimology of acquaintence rape allegations IMO.

I believe the spoken word of Mary Lauterbach in the early stages and further believe she and Peter probably know in the back of their minds by now. Especially after she thought this was almost a stranger and that Maria had never been social with Cesar period, and now to have the friends telling the story of a relationship, they must know what they were hearing and what was happening were probably not the same thing IMO.

I believe just as cajede stated about her former roomate, that the military is giving more than a fair shake to alleged victims of rape much more often than not. The military is an organization founded on the principles of discipline and organization and I see them following all the way through with this allegation from my POV. When you do that, someone will be charged IMO, maybe one, maybe both, but NCIS only CONFIRMED Maria as possibly facing a discharge IIRC.

It's also been explained that the ARTICLE 32 is more of an advantage to the accused with a grand jury is more of an advantage to the prosecutor.

ALL JMO