Wednesday-03/19/08

[henry]

good morning . . . okay, i've not bothered gentlebreeze to compare count dates - she has more important matters on her mind . . . so i'll post mine & maybe we'll resolve it in the next few days/weeks . . . i've got 69 days . . . oh crap - i hope this won't lead the board into the gutter today.

regarding theories to rsutherland - a link will be sent to rsutherland of what's on there friday or saturday . . . also we (meaning nuttintodo and me) would like to clean up that thread and need those that posted over there with that help . . . so this idea is being proposed:

if any poster wants to delete their theory or comments . . . to pm nuttintodo or me . . . and then nuttintodo will send one pm/email to C/W with the links to any posts they would like removed from the theories thread. (note: nuttintodo will be out of the "office" much of today . . . so i hope this pm box is clean - i'll tidy mine up now.)

i'm planning on posting partial point in time theories over there today and anyone is welcome to incorporate these thoughts in theirs . . . no pride of ownership here! and then i'll ask that mine be deleted prior to friday/saturday.

of course, subject to change/modification/clarification/ . . . or whatever . . . jmo

we'd like to NOT disturb/bother/annoy C/W as much as possible - thank you C/W for all your attention here in the past week

[henry]

also just watched a special fox news is doing . . . rick leventhal catches up with marines he met in iraq in 2003 . . . it's a video so hope this link works - it's over on the right - video entitled "five years later"

http://search2.foxnews.com/search?ac...nd&q=leventhal

[caejde]

Good morning everyone! I am going to catch up with the rest of yesterday's thread. I think it is also possible Maria was already down on the floor-maybe she was pushed and fell or tripped and fell. And then she was hit like that.

Good morning everyone. Bringing this over from last night, a post by Nelkirk. Now, didn't we have confirmation from some source that an Article 32 was to be held in early December?

nelkirk
Member

Registered: Jan 2008
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Posts: 506
As per the Dec 15 MC/PC

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/nc...01-15-0028.html



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On November 26, 2007, LCpl Lauterbach attends a scheduled OB appointment at the Camp Lejeune Naval Hospital.

At this point in the alleged rape investigation, the regimental commander and trial counsel continue to discuss the evidence and the possible charges, if any, to prefer against Cpl Laurean. The regimental commander has not made a decision regarding what charges, if any, to prefer against Cpl Laurean and has not consulted with his Staff Judge Advocate. Cpl Laurean has not been detailed government defense counsel and no Article 32 hearing is scheduled as Cpl Laurean has not been charged with any offenses.
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There was no Article 32 scheduled. The Article 32 is an investigation, where all of the witnesses, the accused and the accusor all put their statements under oath. CAL would have to reaffirm his denial that he had sexual contact with ML And ML would have to reaffirm her statements as to whether CAL was the baby's father, the allegations of "consensual rape" and her version of what happened on March 26 and again two weeks later. All of the other witnesses would have made their statements official. CAL would have had his attorney (whichever one he had for the rape allegations) present to cross examine ML's testimony. All evidence in the case would be presented.

At the end of the Article 32 JAG would decide whether or not to bring charges against CAL, or ML.

The Article 32 could have been bad for both CAL and ML. It could have proven that she had lied about the allegations just as easily as it could have shown that CAL had lied about sexual contact.

In the MC/PC it was stated that they wanted to use the DNA from the baby to establish paternity...it would have been presented as evidence in the Article 32. This is why the Article 32 had not been scheduled.IMO Even if this evidence has shown that the baby was CAL's, it would have only shown that he had sexual contact, not that he raped her.

Also, Nelkirks other posts from last night inspired the thought that since laurean had the MPO against him, perhaps that is the reason he wasn't at the Christmas party? He couldn't go because Maria could have been there?

[caejde]

Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

I'm a rightie, hold my g'kids and held my kids on my left hip all the time...FWIW-

Good observations Lyn T [/*]

I'm a rightie and hold my baby on my right and left side.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert [*]Good morning everyone. Bringing this over from last night, a post by Nelkirk. Now, didn't we have confirmation from some source that an Article 32 was to be held in early December?

nelkirk
Member

Registered: Jan 2008
Location:
Posts: 506
As per the Dec 15 MC/PC

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/nc...01-15-0028.html



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On November 26, 2007, LCpl Lauterbach attends a scheduled OB appointment at the Camp Lejeune Naval Hospital.

At this point in the alleged rape investigation, the regimental commander and trial counsel continue to discuss the evidence and the possible charges, if any, to prefer against Cpl Laurean. The regimental commander has not made a decision regarding what charges, if any, to prefer against Cpl Laurean and has not consulted with his Staff Judge Advocate. Cpl Laurean has not been detailed government defense counsel and no Article 32 hearing is scheduled as Cpl Laurean has not been charged with any offenses.
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There was no Article 32 scheduled. The Article 32 is an investigation, where all of the witnesses, the accused and the accusor all put their statements under oath. CAL would have to reaffirm his denial that he had sexual contact with ML And ML would have to reaffirm her statements as to whether CAL was the baby's father, the allegations of "consensual rape" and her version of what happened on March 26 and again two weeks later. All of the other witnesses would have made their statements official. CAL would have had his attorney (whichever one he had for the rape allegations) present to cross examine ML's testimony. All evidence in the case would be presented.

At the end of the Article 32 JAG would decide whether or not to bring charges against CAL, or ML.

The Article 32 could have been bad for both CAL and ML. It could have proven that she had lied about the allegations just as easily as it could have shown that CAL had lied about sexual contact.

In the MC/PC it was stated that they wanted to use the DNA from the baby to establish paternity...it would have been presented as evidence in the Article 32. This is why the Article 32 had not been scheduled.IMO Even if this evidence has shown that the baby was CAL's, it would have only shown that he had sexual contact, not that he raped her.

Also, Nelkirks other posts from last night inspired the thought that since laurean had the MPO against him, perhaps that is the reason he wasn't at the Christmas party? He couldn't go because Maria could have been there? [/*]

QUESTION: Mr. Ciccarelli, can you shed light on when she was supposed to testify or be involved again in the process?

CICCARELLI: Discussions were underway to have an Article 32. For those not familiar with an Article 32, it's equivalent to a civilian grand jury. Fact finding. Determine if there's enough information from the investigation to go forward with a court-martial. That's what was scheduled. An Article 32 on the sexual assault investigation.

QUESTION: Was there a date was there a date ...

CICCARELLI: It was during December.

QUESTION: During the time she disappeared?

CICCARELLI: Yes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...11/ywt.01.html

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

I agree thats why he might not have been at the party, but why does Xtina go? What does she say when people ask her "wheres Cesar?"- "Oh, that pesky MPO is keeping him at home tonight...you know Cesar, stellar that he is, he always follows the letter of the law". GAG. Bet if she DID think he wasn't present just because of the MPO, and then came home to find Maria there, it set her off just a titch.....
i'm jus sayin [/*]

Why does Christina go to the party...my answer from last night is below.

We don't know HER relationship with people in that unit....other wives, women, etc. And maybe there was NO pretense. I'm still having a difficult time not believing that she just wanted to go to the party and he didn't for whatever reason(s). And I never have bought the idea that she was sitting there fuming because he didn't show up. Hey maybe she was a big party type person and he was not into parties at all. It's not that unusual for married couple to be different like that. One of my best friends and her husband are the opposite.....the friend is always out with friends and partying and the guy doesn't care for it. They have a fine marriage too!

Until I get some concrete proof otherwise, that's how I think right now.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny [*]


QUESTION: Mr. Ciccarelli, can you shed light on when she was supposed to testify or be involved again in the process?

CICCARELLI: Discussions were underway to have an Article 32. For those not familiar with an Article 32, it's equivalent to a civilian grand jury. Fact finding. Determine if there's enough information from the investigation to go forward with a court-martial. That's what was scheduled. An Article 32 on the sexual assault investigation.

QUESTION: Was there a date was there a date ...

CICCARELLI: It was during December.

QUESTION: During the time she disappeared?

CICCARELLI: Yes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...11/ywt.01.html [/*]

Thanks, Lynn - I thought I remembered Ciccarelli saying that. I wish he had given an exact date in December.

[henry]

also regarding the baby clothing - wish they had mentioned the color like they did with maria's shirt - not that it would help much. but i'd like to know if it was pink or blue . . . or white, yellow, green, etc. i'm wondering if they left the color out of the report because of this "clue"

Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

I agree thats why he might not have been at the party, but why does Xtina go? What does she say when people ask her "wheres Cesar?"- "Oh, that pesky MPO is keeping him at home tonight...you know Cesar, stellar that he is, he always follows the letter of the law". GAG. Bet if she DID think he wasn't present just because of the MPO, and then came home to find Maria there, it set her off just a titch.....
i'm jus sayin [/*]

Did we ever learn if Santa and gifts were at the party? If so, perhaps Christina took the little girl to the party?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by henry [*]good morning . . . okay, i've not bothered gentlebreeze to compare count dates - she has more important matters on her mind . . . so i'll post mine & maybe we'll resolve it in the next few days/weeks . . . i've got 69 days . . . oh crap - i hope this won't lead the board into the gutter today.

regarding theories to rsutherland - a link will be sent to rsutherland of what's on there friday or saturday . . . also we (meaning nuttintodo and me) would like to clean up that thread and need those that posted over there with that help . . . so this idea is being proposed:

if any poster wants to delete their theory or comments . . . to pm nuttintodo or me . . . and then nuttintodo will send one pm/email to C/W with the links to any posts they would like removed from the theories thread. (note: nuttintodo will be out of the "office" much of today . . . so i hope this pm box is clean - i'll tidy mine up now.)

i'm planning on posting partial point in time theories over there today and anyone is welcome to incorporate these thoughts in theirs . . . no pride of ownership here! and then i'll ask that mine be deleted prior to friday/saturday.

of course, subject to change/modification/clarification/ . . . or whatever . . . jmo

we'd like to NOT disturb/bother/annoy C/W as much as possible - thank you C/W for all your attention here in the past week [/*]

Good morning Henry and Everyone!

I will take your count date over mine, any day. You are the expert. I was mistaken.......the last five days have been a blur. Sorry I got it all messed up.

I sure wish something............anythiing........would break on this case. We just seem to be stuck in some kind of suspension.

imoo

[caejde]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert [*]

Did we ever learn if Santa and gifts were at the party? If so, perhaps Christina took the little girl to the party? [/*]

I don't think we have ever heard. But given the time of day and with school not being out yet for Christmas, I would say that Santa wasn't there. In my opinion, I think if they were going to have the kids, they would have had a family day event on a Saturday or the party would have been later in the evening. In my unit-the 800+Marines/Sailors-our family days were held on Satruday and would last several hours.

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny [*]


QUESTION: Mr. Ciccarelli, can you shed light on when she was supposed to testify or be involved again in the process?

CICCARELLI: Discussions were underway to have an Article 32. For those not familiar with an Article 32, it's equivalent to a civilian grand jury. Fact finding. Determine if there's enough information from the investigation to go forward with a court-martial. That's what was scheduled. An Article 32 on the sexual assault investigation.

QUESTION: Was there a date was there a date ...

CICCARELLI: It was during December.

QUESTION: During the time she disappeared?

CICCARELLI: Yes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...11/ywt.01.html [/*]

Thank you Lynn, so an Article 32 hearing was indeed scheduled.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

Why does Christina go to the party...my answer from last night is below.

We don't know HER relationship with people in that unit....other wives, women, etc. And maybe there was NO pretense. I'm still having a difficult time not believing that she just wanted to go to the party and he didn't for whatever reason(s). And I never have bought the idea that she was sitting there fuming because he didn't show up. Hey maybe she was a big party type person and he was not into parties at all. It's not that unusual for married couple to be different like that. One of my best friends and her husband are the opposite.....the friend is always out with friends and partying and the guy doesn't care for it. They have a fine marriage too!

Until I get some concrete proof otherwise, that's how I think right now. [/*]

ITA. My ex and I were total opposites on that point. He would much rather sit home on his 'puter or play golf with a buddy and I have always been the one who wanted to go out to parties and such. We rarely attended social functions together. We met at work, and after we got engaged I left for a better job. I went to one of his holiday parties at work without him...I knew most everyone there and he had no interest in going. So I can definitely see CSL attending alone as no big deal to either one of them.

[gaelicpeas]

I am really confused about the party now. Nelkirk posted this last night (sorry, I don't know how to use the quote button from a different thread, so I am copying and pasting from her post):

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17...rine/index.html

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In the document she says her husband told her:

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"Christina Laurean told police she was at a Christmas party for her husband's Marine unit during the late afternoon and evening of December 15, Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown told CNN. Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown told CNN. Her husband did not attend the party, she told authorities."

(end quote)
(snipped)

Now, I don't know if this article got the party time right or not, "but late afternoon and evening" does not fit the usual party times according to what our other military posters said yesterday. I can't believe that LE won't tell us when this party was! I mean, everyone who was at the party knows, so it is not like it's some big secret.

JMO

Originally posted by caejde [*]

I don't think we have ever heard. But given the time of day and with school not being out yet for Christmas, I would say that Santa wasn't there. In my opinion, I think if they were going to have the kids, they would have had a family day event on a Saturday or the party would have been later in the evening. In my unit-the 800+Marines/Sailors-our family days were held on Satruday and would last several hours. [/*]

Oh, okay and thanks for your view on this caejde.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by henry [*]also regarding the baby clothing - wish they had mentioned the color like they did with maria's shirt - not that it would help much. but i'd like to know if it was pink or blue . . . or white, yellow, green, etc. i'm wondering if they left the color out of the report because of this "clue" [/*]

Interesting thought, Henry...

[henry]

Originally posted by Lyn_T [*]Morning all, still working on my theory here but too many unanswered ?'s.

Since I am new here and don't know if any of this was discussed please excuse me if it was.

1. Phone records....I read on a LejeuneUnderground thread that CL was at a bonfire of someone else around May 12th and kept getting phone calls from someone that left him agitated and upset. I would like to know WHO that was, CSL or Maria?
The girls who posted recognized his pic as one who was there, still looking for that link.

2. The baby clothes found, were they new or some CSL had leftover from her yard sale items in Jan?
http://www.lejeuneyardsales.com/sear...ountId=3140821

(wish there was someway to pull up that list of items, it was put on another thread at the time but the mod pulled it, although a vacuum was talked of being sold)

On another note just IMO - I can't help but believe that CSL and CL actually didn't remember the exact date everything went down and tied it into payday which would have been the 15th of the month. JMO in why the date confussion. [/*]

for what it's worth . . jd news article this morning has some new comments & one mentions times of the calls on the 11th . . . i'm upstairs on the ancient laptop (yahoo the keyboard works!) but my links are downstairs . . . so jmo

[hinman]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas [*]I am really confused about the party now. Nelkirk posted this last night (sorry, I don't know how to use the quote button from a different thread, so I am copying and pasting from her post):

(snipped)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17...rine/index.html

quote:
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In the document she says her husband told her:

(snipped)

"Christina Laurean told police she was at a Christmas party for her husband's Marine unit during the late afternoon and evening of December 15, Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown told CNN. Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown told CNN. Her husband did not attend the party, she told authorities."

(end quote)
(snipped)

Now, I don't know if this article got the party time right or not, "but late afternoon and evening" does not fit the usual party times according to what our other military posters said yesterday. I can't believe that LE won't tell us when this party was! I mean, everyone who was at the party knows, so it is not like it's some big secret.

JMO [/*]

That article says the party was the 15th which is when they first said Maria was killed.

I wonder which one is it was the party on the 14 or the 15?

I am with you I wonder if we can post a message on Lejeune underground and if anyone over there attended that party?

[henry]

Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

Hi Lyn.
Heres all I know:
The baby clothes were still in their original packaging, although partially melted away plastic bag...so, new, IMO.

We speculated a while back on that being nosey and untrusting Christina on the phone constantly to Cesar at the bonfire he attended not at his hown home...but it could just as well have been Christina...we just don't know,.
But I bet LE does cos they have his cell phone records. ! JMO [/*]

how about we offer rsutherland a trade . . . our, collectively, of course, theories in exchange for the cell phone records . . these, imo, would be the most helpful in piecing this together this icon means i'm joking . . . jmo . . . but seriously, not to confuse matters, what one piece of info would you like from rsutherland (if he could give it - all hypothetical, etc.)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

Why does Christina go to the party...my answer from last night is below.

We don't know HER relationship with people in that unit....other wives, women, etc. And maybe there was NO pretense. I'm still having a difficult time not believing that she just wanted to go to the party and he didn't for whatever reason(s). And I never have bought the idea that she was sitting there fuming because he didn't show up. Hey maybe she was a big party type person and he was not into parties at all. It's not that unusual for married couple to be different like that. One of my best friends and her husband are the opposite.....the friend is always out with friends and partying and the guy doesn't care for it. They have a fine marriage too!

Until I get some concrete proof otherwise, that's how I think right now. [/*]

Hi Savannah!

I guess it is how one looks at it and from their own personal experiences. My hubby works for a huge corporation and they believe in having parties through the year for special occasions. Since he has worked there 40 years I know just about everyone as well as he does but I would never show up for a party, alone and he not be there with me and the same goes for him. Especially to HIS own party.

Now if she had gone knowing full well he was on his way and would be arriving then that is one thing but to be there among his superior officers by herself for hours drawing attention to his absence just strikes me as very odd. It also makes me think she would have to field more questions that it was worth (Where is Laurean?" Why didn't he come?" "Go call him and tell him to get his butt over here.) etc.

Your friends are lucky. I have found when one spouse starts venturing out to parties and bars alone and the other one stays behind .......that something is very lacking in the marriage.
That is just based on the many people I have known that started doing that and their marriage began to cave.

imoo

[hinman]

Originally posted by henry [*]

how about we offer rsutherland a trade . . . our, collectively, of course, theories in exchange for the cell phone records . . these, imo, would be the most helpful in piecing this together this icon means i'm joking . . . jmo . . . but seriously, not to confuse matters, what one piece of info would you like from rsutherland (if he could give it - all hypothetical, etc.) [/*]

I would love to see the phone records of CL.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Lyn_T [*]Morning all, still working on my theory here but too many unanswered ?'s.

Since I am new here and don't know if any of this was discussed please excuse me if it was.

1. Phone records....I read on a LejeuneUnderground thread that CL was at a bonfire of someone else around May 12th and kept getting phone calls from someone that left him agitated and upset. I would like to know WHO that was, CSL or Maria?
The girls who posted recognized his pic as one who was there, still looking for that link.

2. The baby clothes found, were they new or some CSL had leftover from her yard sale items in Jan?
http://www.lejeuneyardsales.com/sear...ountId=3140821

(wish there was someway to pull up that list of items, it was put on another thread at the time but the mod pulled it, although a vacuum was talked of being sold)

On another note just IMO - I can't help but believe that CSL and CL actually didn't remember the exact date everything went down and tied it into payday which would have been the 15th of the month. JMO in why the date confussion. [/*]

I recall reading the first part of your post in Lejeune sales. They supposidly also sold a table.
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...endID=26344987

Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]


I asked that or brought it up somehow (maybe in one of my things on theory thread)

Whoever hit Maria with that weapon IMO was rght handed as it was a left sided head wound. But we have never gotten confirmation of that.

But you know I never considered her being hit from behind, so it could very well be a lefty. So, right back tio square one. All we really know is the killer was either right or left handed. Maybe ME has a way to tell if she has struck from front or gehind by the wound pattern or something. JMO

And Good morning!!!! [/*]

I think determining if the perp was a lefty or a righty would depend on which way Maria was facing when the blow was struck.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by hinman [*]That article says the party was the 15th which is when they first said Maria was killed.

I wonder which one is it was the party on the 14 or the 15?

I am with you I wonder if we can post a message on Lejeune underground and if anyone over there attended that party? [/*]

Interesting - I had not considered that there could have been multiple parties (one on Dec 14 and one on Dec 15).

And good idea about posting that question on the LU site...

[henry]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
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Now, I don't know if this article got the party time right or not, "but late afternoon and evening" does not fit the usual party times according to what our other military posters said yesterday. I can't believe that LE won't tell us when this party was! I mean, everyone who was at the party knows, so it is not like it's some big secret.

JMO [/*]

just a quick question pres peas . . . are any of your theories based on totally ignoring xtina's affidavit/statements? tia

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by henry [*]

just a quick question pres peas . . . are any of your theories based on totally ignoring xtina's affidavit/statements? tia [/*]

Yes.... I would say that my abduction theory does not incorporate any of her statements.

(also, I can't find the JD News article for today that you mentioned. Does anyone else have the link? TIA)

[strick10]

Originally posted by Lyn_T [*]Jose's myspace someone asked about yesterday, he was the witness on Laurean's marriage license.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...iendid=3546480 [/*]

Great job LynT. I believe he has 2 sites.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=83745158

I checked his name in people finders and found that Melissa is a possible relative. I can't tell from the picture on the page you posted if it's the same guy on both pages. Your thoughts?

[strick10]

Originally posted by Sami [*]I deleted my post about Jose's age, since Strick's link shows his age as being 22 in 2008.

I thought he was 22 in 2004, which was the first link put up by Lyn.

If he's just now 22, he was barely old enough to witness the marriage. [/*]

yup as young as the groom almost.

[Kel65]

Originally posted by Lyn_T [*]

I believe it to be the same guy, looking at his party pics from yours and other pics with homies from mine. Hmmm, wonder if he was married in Onslow county and who his witnesses were. On the 1st myspace I had it was from 05 I believe and this other one was set up in 06. [/*]

I've been looking at the MS page this morning. If you look at the pictures on his MS you will notice a very interesting paint color. It is the picture of he and his wife, what looks like prior to going to a USMC ball. JMO

Originally posted by Sami [*]

There's a small window of opportunity, imo.

Had to be after 12/17, and we've learned that around the holidays, the base is operating 'short-handed', so I'd not expect much normal activity at all after the 24th.

As a matter of fact, the base didn't seem to catch back up to speed until the second week of January. JMO [/*]

Yes, apparently the appearance of Maria's family and the local sheriff's department on their doorstep, helped them to get up to speed. IMO.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Lyn_T [*]

I believe it to be the same guy, looking at his party pics from yours and other pics with homies from mine. Hmmm, wonder if he was married in Onslow county and who his witnesses were. On the 1st myspace I had it was from 05 I believe and this other one was set up in 06. [/*]

The one from 05 was accessed last on 2 Mar 05. The one I posted he accessed his page on 13 Mar 08. Looks like he may have forgotten his password(s) to the first one and set up another page. Yeah, pics of his homies.....no CAL though.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Kel65 [*]

I've been looking at the MS page this morning. If you look at the pictures on his MS you will notice a very interesting paint color. It is the picture of he and his wife, what looks like prior to going to a USMC ball. JMO [/*]

I hadn't noticed the paint before. Same color scheme as CALs choice of color for his walls.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Sami [*]

That surprises me that there are no pics of Cesar.

Maybe he wasn't allowed to party after marrying Christina? [/*]

Maybe he just wanted to be with Christina all the time thereafter. Or not. Maybe he was whooped and Christina didn't allow him to hang w/ the boys. Who knows.

[GentleBreeze]

I thought nelkirk's post from yesterday is interesting.

nelkirk
Member

Registered: Jan 2008
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Has anyone discovered if CAL or CSL is right or left handed?

Since I am a lefty it would be easier for me swing a powerful blow against the head from behind. Where a right handed person would have a more powerful coming from the front. And coming from the front, the victim would be alerted to the danger.

And once again the media as well as others are stating that the neck wound was post mortem, but the autopsy report does not say that...

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What about the superficial wound to her neck? Wouldn't that given them some glimpse if the perp was left or right handed? Of course assuming that the blow to the head and the knife wound were inflicted by the same person.

IMO the ME is not sure at all if this happened post death or pre death. Anytime when the autopsy report states "may have" it is not a certainty at all.

But if the knife wound happened before death then I am more confused than before. Why would he/she throw down a sharp knife when they had it right in their hand and pick up an instrument most likely laying close by?

imoo

[caejde]

Originally posted by Sami [*]

What a thought, Kel! It certainly looks to be that awful (IMO) color choice that Cesar (or someone?) made for their living room.

Very crafty of you to notice. [/*]

I don't think it's quite the same. That color is a little lighter than what the Laurean's had.

Originally posted by Sami [*]

Did anyone notice that strange comment to mk, and mk's answer?

I thought it might have been a former boyfriend of Christina's???

http://www.jdnews.com/news/baby_5547..._clothing.html

(almost at the very bottom) [/*]

Am I reading that right, he's calling her a "heffer?" I'm not putting too much creedence in that poster, mk....sounds
like a very disgruntled former boyfriend to me.

[caejde]

Originally posted by Sami [*]

But, you know where my mind was racing, don't you, caejde?

This guy lived right down the street from Cesar at one time, and if this were HIS house down the street from Cesar, and if Cesar needed some paint to quickly cover up blood. . . . . [/*]

Of course I know. I was thinking it was a similiar color but looking at it closer it just looks a little lighter. And actually, I looked up that address...it's about 5 miles away. Wonder what this guy's MOS is...

Originally posted by caejde [*]

I don't think it's quite the same. That color is a little lighter than what the Laurean's had. [/*]

Take into account ....
the living room pic taken by LE at the L's house is really dark...especially in comparison to the MLS photos. The tile is way darker in the LE photo too.


compare the garage patch pic to the D's hall

[Kel65]

Originally posted by caejde [*]

I don't think it's quite the same. That color is a little lighter than what the Laurean's had. [/*]

Could be different, but my experience is paints photograph strangely, so it would be hard to determine one way or another.

When my house in J'ville was on Realtor.com last year, I had this room that was red and the photos that were posted on Realtor.com didn't represent the color well at all. So I think it depends on the camera, lighting etc a the time the picture was taken.

When I first saw the color, I thought wow wonder if Jose gave the Laureans some left over paint he had from painting his house.

JMO