Discussion - March 18th.

n/t · #1 03-18-2008, 07:04 AM

Good Morning all,

How can anyone just disappear without a trace? The last person to have seen him was the coworker. Was there nobody on the streets that evening? Nobody saw him get in his car? I guess I just can't understand the lack of tips and/or leads in this case.

In one of the links, I believe it was the agencyspy one, someone mentioned he may have hopped on a bus. Were the bus stations checked? Train Stations? Airport?

Today my plea goes out to whomever may think they have seen him. Even if you're unsure it was Nicholas. Please come forward with any information you may have. Thank you.

Continued prayers for Nicholas.

n/t · #2 03-18-2008, 07:09 AM

Another plea to anybody in SeaTac area to please post flyers at bus stations, train stations and airport. If he left, it may be too late, however it may trigger someone's memory. Someone who may have seen him.

Thank you.

Danette44 · #3 03-18-2008, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]Another plea to anybody in SeaTac area to please post flyers at bus stations, train stations and airport. If he left, it may be too late, however it may trigger someone's memory. Someone who may have seen him.

Thank you. [/*]

Good Morning n/t

Threads are getting smaller and smaller, very sad. I wonder if they will search the Lake that Christine ask them to?

n/t · #4 03-18-2008, 07:28 AM

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Originally posted by Danette44 [*]

Good Morning n/t

Threads are getting smaller and smaller, very sad. I wonder if they will search the Lake that Christine ask them to? [/*]

Hi Danette,

I read the post. If true, I hope they can rule out the Lake. I believe it was Lake Panther. Is that close to where he was last seen?

As for the threads getting smaller and smaller, the lack of information from LE is not helping. We have no updates whatsoever about the fingerprint analysis. And those two positive leads??? Hello? Was it Nicholas on the camera videos or not?

Very frustrating but we shouldn't give up.

Danette44 · #5 03-18-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]

Hi Danette,

I read the post. If true, I hope they can rule out the Lake. I believe it was Lake Panther. Is that close to where he was last seen?

As for the threads getting smaller and smaller, the lack of information from LE is not helping. We have no updates whatsoever about the fingerprint analysis. And those two positive leads??? Hello? Was it Nicholas on the camera videos or not?

Very frustrating but we shouldn't give up.

[/*]

Thats my understanding Lake Panther and Christine said it was close to his work, I pray she is upfront with Harlett, and none of this changing stories otherwise no one will get anywhere trying to locate Nicholas. I'm off to work, will check in later have a great day!

carterkatt · #6 03-18-2008, 07:52 AM

A lot of theories where suggested last night (catching up on my reading!) and many of them suggest that N and C had a fight and she may have been calling/nagging him at work, thus the cell phone "went dead".

Do we have any way of knowing what their ususal phone patterns were during a work day? Did they talk often? On cell or land line? Was she the type to call him at work often, or even not at all? Anyone know?

SeattleEddie · #7 03-18-2008, 08:03 AM

Panther Lake, and Panther Lake Park are just behind the complex where his car was found.

n/t · #8 03-18-2008, 08:08 AM

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Originally posted by carterkatt [*]A lot of theories where suggested last night (catching up on my reading!) and many of them suggest that N and C had a fight and she may have been calling/nagging him at work, thus the cell phone "went dead".

Do we have any way of knowing what their ususal phone patterns were during a work day? Did they talk often? On cell or land line? Was she the type to call him at work often, or even not at all? Anyone know? [/*]

Hi caterkatt,

I don't have the answers to your questions but wanted to add one more. Did Nicholas have a direct line at work or did his calls go through a main line (receptionist or automated)?

I guess the only people who can answer those questions would be his boss and coworkers.

IIRC, Christine mentioned calling him or they spoke several times that day. Not sure if that's unusual or not. I would think during a morning or afternoon or lunch break would be more than enough but I don't know. IMO, unless there is something serious going on, I don't understand the need to talk that often. I could understand if one of the children was sick or Christine was not well, etc. but that's just my opinion.

n/t · #9 03-18-2008, 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by SeattleEddie [*]Panther Lake, and Panther Lake Park are just behind the complex where his car was found. [/*]

Thanks for clarifying that. In your opinion, would there be another place (land or water) that should be searched? I know we've suggested so many but what would be the next obvious place to check.

TIA!

n/t · #10 03-18-2008, 08:21 AM

SeattleEddie,

How far/close is the bus station or train station from his workplace?

TIA!

#11 03-18-2008, 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by carterkatt [*]A lot of theories where suggested last night (catching up on my reading!) and many of them suggest that N and C had a fight and she may have been calling/nagging him at work, thus the cell phone "went dead".

Do we have any way of knowing what their ususal phone patterns were during a work day? Did they talk often? On cell or land line? Was she the type to call him at work often, or even not at all? Anyone know? [/*]

Yeah we were talking about that last night.
Also i asked have all the local bars been checked to see if anyone had seen him that night?
I can't remember.

#12 03-18-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]Good Morning all,

How can anyone just disappear without a trace? The last person to have seen him was the coworker. Was there nobody on the streets that evening? Nobody saw him get in his car? I guess I just can't understand the lack of tips and/or leads in this case.

In one of the links, I believe it was the agencyspy one, someone mentioned he may have hopped on a bus. Were the bus stations checked? Train Stations? Airport?

Today my plea goes out to whomever may think they have seen him. Even if you're unsure it was Nicholas. Please come forward with any information you may have. Thank you.

Continued prayers for Nicholas.

[/*]

The lack of information from LE is frustrating.
They asked for our help, but we don't get any more info from them at all?
I really hope if they know something and don't need our help that they will tell us!

n/t · #13 03-18-2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by soyesterday [*]

The lack of information from LE is frustrating.
They asked for our help, but we don't get any more info from them at all?
I really hope if they know something and don't need our help that they will tell us! [/*]

So true.

desmom · #14 03-18-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]Good Morning all,

How can anyone just disappear without a trace?

--snipped--

Continued prayers for Nicholas.

[/*]

It has been happening for years.....

http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc...,7670137.story

desmom · #15 03-18-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by soyesterday [*]

Yeah we were talking about that last night.
Also i asked have all the local bars been checked to see if anyone had seen him that night?
I can't remember. [/*]

Oops forgot....

Good Morning All!

One of NF's coworkers stated he never stopped off to see friends or to hang out.

Never?

Everyone needs a break...some type of hobby or sport....or just a little bit of me time. A couple of hours of hanging out with friends to chew the fat, boating, fishing, golf, camping, penny ante neighborhood card game....

All work and no play can lead to a very stressful life.

jmo

Shelby1 · #16 03-18-2008, 09:11 AM

Good morning everyone

I, too, have a hard time getting my head around the fact that someone can just disappear without a trace!

I hope some new information from LE is released soon--if they have any, that is.

n/t · #17 03-18-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by desmom [*]

It has been happening for years.....

http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc...,7670137.story [/*]

Thanks for the link desmom.

This is what stood out at me:

The article stated: "Detective Lt. Julian P. Darman said Saturday that young MacDonald had been somewhat despondent recently. He was described as a retiring type of individual who took solitary walks and visited libraries, museums and art galleries."

====

To me that's something. It may not have lead them to the missing person but it's a sign that something was wrong. Something was bothering him.

With Nicholas, from all we've read and heard about him, he was a happy guy. Very excited about having a new baby. No unusual behaviour per wife, coworkers.

I'm stumped.

#18 03-18-2008, 09:45 AM

I'd like to answer a question posed on yesterday's thread last night after I signed off. Oregaongal posted this:

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I'm just back after watching a movie with my DD and I see the discussion about the PI, hiring, positng about, is there, isn't there one is still being discussed.

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Forgive my ignorance about this, but as I posted earlier, what is the big deal about this? Is it because there is nothing else to discuss? Is it because I've missed some importance in the whole thing?

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What?

IMO, if Publicis had indeed hired a PI, yet neither CF or LE know anything of it (and then Harlett not either), wouldn't this be a significant person who should be found and contacted by LE and/or CF? They could have information as to NF's disappearance that they are not under any obligation to disclose to anyone except the entity that hired them.

Also, WHY WOULD Publicis hire a PI, and then that PI not contact CF or LE? Knowing that could be a significant lead as to why NF is missing. NF was not high up in the corporate ladder at Publicis...just the fact that such a large cmpany would even bother to hire a PI in this type of case is in itself very, very atypical.

And then there is the possibility that CF did indeed know about the PI (which would likely be the case if it was the mailpen site that the information was relayed to the biz site community on - which is looking to be the case). The fact that there was a PI investigating seems like a pretty significant thing to omit telling Harlett, or omit in any further discussions/blog posts. With all of the other questions/speculation that had been answered on the *facts* list, it already is a little strange that the PI issue hadn't already been confirmed or clarified....since it has been asked/questions multiple times in the various threads here and elsewhere. Wasn't it the questions on the crime boards that prompted the creation of that blog *facts* entry?

MOO/JMO/IMO

desmom · #19 03-18-2008, 09:45 AM

What we do know:

NF and CF have been married 7 years, have 2 children + one on the way.

He went to work at Publicis on 2/13.

He spoke to his wife several times through the day and at the end of the day.

His coworkers reported NF said his cell phone battery was dying (or dead).

He was going to sign off on something at work and stop at Costco for organic sugar.

A coworker saw him leave the building at approx. 6:10 p.m.

He had his laptop in an orange and grey messenger bag, cell phone and ipod.

His Costco card was not used.

A coworker reported he is not one to hang out with friends or stop somewhere after work.

Their financial situation is iffy.

Per AMW, his car was seen in the Heritage Condos on 2/15 and reported on 2/18. The doors were unlocked, no sign of foul play and his laptop, ipod or cell phone were in the car.

He has not made any transactions on credit cards or bank accounts.

http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/ reports his hobbies are Screen printing, Fonts, Type setting, Old fashion print pressing, mechanically inclined. His passion is fonts.

Anything else?

huskiki · #20 03-18-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by mc528 [*]I'd like to answer a question posed on yesterday's thread last night after I signed off. Oregaongal posted this:

IMO, if Publicis had indeed hired a PI, yet neither CF or LE know anything of it (and then Harlett not either), wouldn't this be a significant person who should be found and contacted by LE and/or CF? They could have information as to NF's disappearance that they are not under any obligation to disclose to anyone except the entity that hired them.

Also, WHY WOULD Publicis hire a PI, and then that PI not contact CF or LE? Knowing that could be a significant lead as to why NF is missing. NF was not high up in the corporate ladder at Publicis...just the fact that such a large cmpany would even bother to hire a PI in this type of case is in itself very, very atypical.

And then there is the possibility that CF did indeed know about the PI (which would likely be the case if it was the mailpen site that the information was relayed to the biz site community on - which is looking to be the case). The fact that there was a PI investigating seems like a pretty significant thing to omit telling Harlett, or omit in any further discussions/blog posts. With all of the other questions/speculation that had been answered on the *facts* list, it already is a little strange that the PI issue hadn't already been confirmed or clarified....since it has been asked/questions multiple times in the various threads here and elsewhere. Wasn't it the questions on the crime boards that prompted the creation of that blog *facts* entry?

MOO/JMO/IMO [/*]

Hi mc

IMO JMO MOO ...someone isn't telling the truth.

#21 03-18-2008, 09:50 AM

There were two West Seattle Blogs both have been removed and replaced with one but all of the old info is gone. I believe the info about the PI was there and if I remember correctly Christine had nothing to do with that blog.

She may have read about it like everyone else but if she was never contacted then she would know nothing about a PI except what she read like everyone else.

RainyNiteNTx · #22 03-18-2008, 09:53 AM

Hi guys - after stepping back and chanting the Serenity Prayer several dozen times, I'm here

The frustration with Christine refusing to do even simple things to help find Nicholas is puzzling, but I do not have the power to change that. Hopefully someone in Nick's family can influence her to contact TES and do simple things such as adding his pic to her blog and her MySpace.

I did some reading last night and I do believe the issue of the PI (her knowing/not knowing) is important. The blog that reported the information about the PI calls itself "Agency Spy - lurking around the watercooler". So either we believe they have inside information or it is just a rumor.

IF there is really a PI, I would think Christine would be the first one they contacted. I would think they would try to get a picture of how Nick's mind frame was. Had he been sleeping? Had he given away anything of value? Had he detached somewhat with his best friends? Then they would move on to talk to other family members, friends, co-workers, employees at Costco, the storage place, etc.

On the flip side IF there is really a PI hired by Publicis and Christine has not been notified, it does not seem as though this would be a humanitarian effort (trying to locate a husband/father/brother/son/provider) but rather something much bigger. JMO

n/t · #23 03-18-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by desmom [*]What we do know:

NF and CF have been married 7 years, have 2 children + one on the way.

He went to work at Publicis on 2/13.

He spoke to his wife several times through the day and at the end of the day.

His coworkers reported NF said his cell phone battery was dying (or dead).

He was going to sign off on something at work and stop at Costco for organic sugar.

A coworker saw him leave the building at approx. 6:10 p.m.

He had his laptop in an orange and grey messenger bag, cell phone and ipod.

His Costco card was not used.

A coworker reported he is not one to hang out with friends or stop somewhere after work.

Their financial situation is iffy.

Per AMW, his car was seen in the Heritage Condos on 2/15 and reported on 2/18. The doors were unlocked, no sign of foul play and his laptop, ipod or cell phone were in the car.

He has not made any transactions on credit cards or bank accounts.

http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/ reports his hobbies are Screen printing, Fonts, Type setting, Old fashion print pressing, mechanically inclined. His passion is fonts.

Anything else? [/*]

IIRC, his laptop, cellphone and ipod were NOT in the car.

n/t · #24 03-18-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by huskiki [*]

Hi mc

IMO JMO MOO ...someone isn't telling the truth. [/*]

Or hiding something.

desmom · #25 03-18-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]

IIRC, his laptop, cellphone and ipod were NOT in the car. [/*]

I knew that LOL! ..... poor proofreading on my part. Thanks.

huskiki · #26 03-18-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]Hi guys - after stepping back and chanting the Serenity Prayer several dozen times, I'm here

The frustration with Christine refusing to do even simple things to help find Nicholas is puzzling, but I do not have the power to change that. Hopefully someone in Nick's family can influence her to contact TES and do simple things such as adding his pic to her blog and her MySpace.

I did some reading last night and I do believe the issue of the PI (her knowing/not knowing) is important. The blog that reported the information about the PI calls itself "Agency Spy - lurking around the watercooler". So either we believe they have inside information or it is just a rumor.

IF there is really a PI, I would think Christine would be the first one they contacted. I would think they would try to get a picture of how Nick's mind frame was. Had he been sleeping? Had he given away anything of value? Had he detached somewhat with his best friends? Then they would move on to talk to other family members, friends, co-workers, employees at Costco, the storage place, etc.

On the flip side IF there is really a PI hired by Publicis and Christine has not been notified, it does not seem as though this would be a humanitarian effort (trying to locate a husband/father/brother/son/provider) but rather something much bigger. JMO [/*]

Welcome Back Rainy

IF there is a PI, I do not see how they can effectively do their job if they do not interview Christine. She is the person closest to him. Maybe the PI hired by Public's, IF a PI was hired, was hired for other reasons.

This case is like an onion.

Shelby1 · #27 03-18-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]Hi guys - after stepping back and chanting the Serenity Prayer several dozen times, I'm here

The frustration with Christine refusing to do even simple things to help find Nicholas is puzzling, but I do not have the power to change that. Hopefully someone in Nick's family can influence her to contact TES and do simple things such as adding his pic to her blog and her MySpace.

I did some reading last night and I do believe the issue of the PI (her knowing/not knowing) is important. The blog that reported the information about the PI calls itself "Agency Spy - lurking around the watercooler". So either we believe they have inside information or it is just a rumor.

IF there is really a PI, I would think Christine would be the first one they contacted. I would think they would try to get a picture of how Nick's mind frame was. Had he been sleeping? Had he given away anything of value? Had he detached somewhat with his best friends? Then they would move on to talk to other family members, friends, co-workers, employees at Costco, the storage place, etc.

On the flip side IF there is really a PI hired by Publicis and Christine has not been notified, it does not seem as though this would be a humanitarian effort (trying to locate a husband/father/brother/son/provider) but rather something much bigger. JMO [/*]

Hi Rainy, glad you're back!

I totally agree with you about the PI.

n/t · #28 03-18-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]Hi guys - after stepping back and chanting the Serenity Prayer several dozen times, I'm here

The frustration with Christine refusing to do even simple things to help find Nicholas is puzzling, but I do not have the power to change that. Hopefully someone in Nick's family can influence her to contact TES and do simple things such as adding his pic to her blog and her MySpace.

I did some reading last night and I do believe the issue of the PI (her knowing/not knowing) is important. The blog that reported the information about the PI calls itself "Agency Spy - lurking around the watercooler". So either we believe they have inside information or it is just a rumor.

IF there is really a PI, I would think Christine would be the first one they contacted. I would think they would try to get a picture of how Nick's mind frame was. Had he been sleeping? Had he given away anything of value? Had he detached somewhat with his best friends? Then they would move on to talk to other family members, friends, co-workers, employees at Costco, the storage place, etc.

On the flip side IF there is really a PI hired by Publicis and Christine has not been notified, it does not seem as though this would be a humanitarian effort (trying to locate a husband/father/brother/son/provider) but rather something much bigger. JMO [/*]

So happy you're back. You made my day. As usual, excellent thought out post.

I would lean to the PI story being true. Now whether Christine knew or not remains a mystery. If she didn't, then there may be other reasons for them to not get the family involved.

n/t · #29 03-18-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by desmom [*]

I knew that LOL! ..... poor proofreading on my part. Thanks. [/*]

NP. It happens.

RainyNiteNTx · #30 03-18-2008, 10:04 AM

Thanks everybody

RainyNiteNTx · #31 03-18-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]

IIRC, his laptop, cellphone and ipod were NOT in the car. [/*]

The ignition was intact

desmom · #32 03-18-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]

So happy you're back. You made my day. As usual, excellent thought out post.

I would lean to the PI story being true. Now whether Christine knew or not remains a mystery. If she didn't, then there may be other reasons for them to not get the family involved.

[/*]

Maybe CF is aware of the PI. Because of what the PI is looking for, Christine does not want to acknowledge the fact a PI is investigating NF.

jmo

Rainy

Shelby1 · #33 03-18-2008, 10:07 AM

Just did a quick google search to see if any new articles were written and came up with zilch.

Shelby1 · #34 03-18-2008, 10:08 AM

Were the keys in the car?

#35 03-18-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by decor [*]There were two West Seattle Blogs both have been removed and replaced with one but all of the old info is gone. I believe the info about the PI was there and if I remember correctly Christine had nothing to do with that blog.

She may have read about it like everyone else but if she was never contacted then she would know nothing about a PI except what she read like everyone else. [/*]

I've got both of those, as well as the ABC news story bookmarked. Going to read all of the comments on all of them today to see if, and also WHEN, any information on a PI was mentioned. I don't think, IMO, if my memory serves me correctly, that the general biz community forum participants were even aware of those sites (and to thus have gleened the PI knowledge from there) until after the evening of 2/18 when it was first acknowledged in the E*** threads. But, definitely worth checking out - I'll do that while at work today.

Postergeist · #36 03-18-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Panther Lake, and Panther Lake Park are just behind the complex where his car was found.

Mornin' All!

Question for Eddie (or any others from that area)

- is the lake/park one that can be driven to and have water access within just a few feet of walking from where you park?

I've read that early on that family/friends did do searches and was this area canvassed before?

#37 03-18-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by Shelby1 [*]Were the keys in the car? [/*]

No, it was reported by LE shorty after the car was found that the keys were not in it, it was unlocked when found, and the ignition showed no signs of being tampered with (so whomever drove the car to the condo complex did so with the keys in the ignition)

RainyNiteNTx · #38 03-18-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by desmom [*]

Maybe CF is aware of the PI. Because of what the PI is looking for, Christine does not want to acknowledge the fact a PI is investigating NF.

jmo

Rainy [/*]

Hi Desmom

That would be understandable, but I don't know why she would deny it to Harlett. If Harlett is going to be able to help her, she needs the truth.

n/t · #39 03-18-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by mc528 [*]

I've got both of those, as well as the ABC news story bookmarked. Going to read all of the comments on all of them today to see if, and also WHEN, any information on a PI was mentioned. I don't think, IMO, if my memory serves me correctly, that the general biz community forum participants were even aware of those sites (and to thus have gleened the PI knowledge from there) until after the evening of 2/18 when it was first acknowledged in the E*** threads. But, definitely worth checking out - I'll do that while at work today. [/*]

Thanks for doing this, mc!

Shelby1 · #40 03-18-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by mc528 [*]

No, it was reported by LE shorty after the car was found that the keys were not in it, it was unlocked when found, and the ignition showed no signs of being tampered with (so whomever drove the car to the condo complex did so with the keys in the ignition) [/*]

Thank you, mc. I need to make myself a chart so I can keep all of the detail straight.