Response from Rick Sutherland

nuttintodo · #1 03-17-2008, 06:04 PM

This is the email response that I received today.

RE: More questions from the group of posters at Insessions
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:02:37 -0400
From: "Rick Sutherland" <Rick_Sutherland@onslowcountync.gov>
To: <nuttintodo_1@yahoo.com>
XXXXXX,

I am not going to be able to answer this list of questions for two reasons.

1) I have become the face and the voice for this case, but the Sheriff still sets the path and the strategy for our Office. Last week he asked me to begin limiting exposure to this case until we have something significant to address.

2) Your questions and thoughts are very on-point and I could never answer all of your questions. All of my responses would only generate more questions and I just am not able to answer all of the questions that the group will have.

I would like to ask the board to help in another area. I saw that there was a thread called "theories", but I have never read any of the posts. Can you have the board compile the 4 or 5 best supported theories and email them to me so that I can see if you guys have thought of anything that we missed? There has been so much time and thought spent by you guys that there may be some very original thoughts that we have not discussed.

Thank-you in advance for your understanding and for your interest in justice.

Be Blessed,

Captain Rick Sutherland

Onslow County Sheriff’s Office

701 Mill Avenue

Jacksonville, NC 28540

910-455-3113 x146

910-455-0048 (fax)

www.co.onslow.nc.us/sheriff

So now how do we want to do the theories? Post a poll?

He has also been here reading too!

caejde · #2 03-17-2008, 06:10 PM

Wow, that's great he would like theories. Makes me wish I would have added some of my ideas. J/K....

donna · #3 03-17-2008, 06:15 PM

Wow! Thanks for posting this, nuttin!
I think we all need to read the Theories Thread again and maybe post here if we have any votes for which we feel are the best. All are good ones, tho. Gonna be a tough decision!

caejde · #4 03-17-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by donna [*]Wow! Thanks for posting this, nuttin!
I think we all need to read the Theories Thread again and maybe post here if we have any votes for which we feel are the best. All are good ones, tho. Gonna be a tough decision! [/*]

There's only likr 4 or 5 over there...why not just send them all?

donna · #5 03-17-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by Sami [*]In all seriousness, it sounds as if LE isn't 100% sure of how the case evolved anymore than we are. . . .

[/*]

I am glad Captain Sutherland and OCSD are open to input! I think it will help them on something they may not have thought of.

donna · #6 03-17-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

There's only likr 4 or 5 over there...why not just send them all? [/*]

That is a great idea, caejde!

crymeariver2006 · #7 03-17-2008, 06:23 PM

I've never posted my theory on there.

Is it too late?

(now that you tell me he's reading over here, I'll have to start wearing the "good" bra)

donna · #8 03-17-2008, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]I've never posted my theory on there.

Is it too late?

(now that you tell me he's reading over here, I'll have to start wearing the "good" bra)

[/*]

... Yes, by all means, cryme! Got my good one on also! Changed out of my 'Wanda' casual pajama attire!

#9 03-17-2008, 06:31 PM

Sorry, all my theories are top secret.

hinman · #10 03-17-2008, 06:34 PM

I am kinda bummed that he can't answer any of our questions anymore. Though I understand why.

limiting exposure, isn't it already limited?

nuttintodo · #11 03-17-2008, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]I've never posted my theory on there.

Is it too late?

(now that you tell me he's reading over here, I'll have to start wearing the "good" bra)

[/*]

Is that the Wanda bra?

And I have quit donning my PJ's too, LOL.

CANDYKISSES · #12 03-17-2008, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hinman [*]I am kinda bummed that he can't answer any of our questions anymore. Though I understand why.

limiting exposure, isn't it already limited? [/*]

When the big guy tells you to pull back, ya gotta do what you're told IMO.

I'm sure Sheriff Brown has his reasons for wanting Capt. Sutherland to hold off right now. Remember, they are trying to eliminate his resources and connections.

JMO.

Sheriff Brown, Captain Sutherland and NUTTYGIRL!

henry · #13 03-17-2008, 06:55 PM

may i suggest that a cutoff date (again, i know) be set up . . . perhaps thursday . . . for anyone else to post their theories and then take a look at what we've got? i kinda expect he's looking to double check every possible (& somewhat rational) scenario . . . and heck that has been done here in spades (no pun intended)!

also, i've been thinking . . . what about someone that wants to anonymously submit a theory (with no fear of retribution or ridicule) . . . hmmmmm . . . get ready with new nics or is there another way anyone can think of

hinman · #14 03-17-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]

When the big guy tells you to pull back, ya gotta do what you're told IMO.

I'm sure Sheriff Brown has his reasons for wanting Capt. Sutherland to hold off right now. Remember, they are trying to eliminate his resources and connections.

JMO.

Sheriff Brown, Captain Sutherland and NUTTYGIRL! [/*]

Alright, alright.... I won't complain.. pointing my head down and walking off.

nuttintodo · #15 03-17-2008, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by henry [*]may i suggest that a cutoff date (again, i know) be set up . . . perhaps thursday . . . for anyone else to post their theories and then take a look at what we've got? i kinda expect he's looking to double check every possible (& somewhat rational) scenario . . . and heck that has been done here in spades (no pun intended)!

also, i've been thinking . . . what about someone that wants to anonymously submit a theory (with no fear of retribution or ridicule) . . . hmmmmm . . . get ready with new nics or is there another way anyone can think of

[/*]

henry, Anyone can submit their theory to RS. All I ask is if they do, to please let you or me know so we won't be submitting double theories.

Thursday isn't a good day for me. Friday would be better.

JMO

gaelicpeas · #16 03-17-2008, 07:00 PM

geez..... I find it really hard to recommend any one of my many theories because we are missing so much key information.

#1 missing tidbit(s) - what kind of contact, if any, did ML and CL have between the rape allegation and Dec 13? and then what kind of contact on Dec 14? We unfortunately don't have access to the communications data, and presumably LE does. Also, related to that, were there (multiple) calls between CSL and CL between the hours of 5:30 and 7:00 on Dec 14

#2 missing tidbit - why a ticket to El Paso? RS said on his last Q&A session that LE knows the answer to this. Well, we don't!

#3 missing tidbit - all the wire transfer evidence before and after ML's murder - was there any?

#4 new missing tidbit - can LE tell if the rest of ML's clothing burned away or not?

I could go on, but these are key issues and, depending on the answer, my theory would definitely change.

Maybe we should outline some basic theories that pretty much encompass everyone's ideas, e.g.:

1. ML was raped by CL, never had contact with him, was forced to write the note, get the ATM money, buy the ticket, go to his house.

2. ML was raped by CL, had second thoughts about reporting it, talked to CL occasionally on the phone, and was lured to his house with the promise of baby clothing.

Okay, I am just getting started, but I immediately want to throw in lots of options into each - like, in #2, was ML putting the baby up for adoption in El Paso, or moving to El Paso to have and keep her baby?

Maybe (sorry, thinking aloud) we should approach it another way, eg:

1. there was a rape vs there wasn't a rape (it was consensual).

2. ML was abducted vs ML went willingly to the house.

etc, etc

Okay, whew, this is a long post - sorry!

gaelicpeas · #17 03-17-2008, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by henry [*]may i suggest that a cutoff date (again, i know) be set up . . . perhaps thursday . . . for anyone else to post their theories and then take a look at what we've got? i kinda expect he's looking to double check every possible (& somewhat rational) scenario . . . and heck that has been done here in spades (no pun intended)!

also, i've been thinking . . . what about someone that wants to anonymously submit a theory (with no fear of retribution or ridicule) . . . hmmmmm . . . get ready with new nics or is there another way anyone can think of

[/*]

Maybe we could make somebody the receiver of anonymous theories sent to that person via pm. It would have to be somebody that would keep the identity of the poster anonymous.

Marcia3 · #18 03-17-2008, 07:03 PM

Thanks, nuttin, for posting RS' response to the email of many questions!

Really stoked that he is interested in some of our theories. Sounds like we are as smart as we think we are!

strick10 · #19 03-17-2008, 07:09 PM

It figures that the good stuff always happens when I'm headed home from work,,,,,good thing I can always go back to re-read. Thanks Nuttin and Henry for trying. What theories is he looking for? Is it just the murder theory, the entire situation?

nuttintodo · #20 03-17-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by old_lady [*]

Henry, why not have anyone who wants to add a theory to the theory thread just do it and send RS the link. They can read over what they want that way. No big deal and no hassle. [/*]

I agree this may be the way to go. Thanks for the suggestion!

donna · #21 03-17-2008, 07:13 PM

gaelicpeas, that is one of the reasons why I feel that the truth is probably bits and pieces of each theory.

nuttintodo · #22 03-17-2008, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gaelicpeas [*]
<snipped>

Okay, whew, this is a long post - sorry! [/*]

Just put them all over there gp. It will be up to OCSD as to whether to dismiss them or not, not us.

I respect each and everyone's theory, if that means anything!

I have several too.

JMO

#23 03-17-2008, 07:17 PM

I don't know whether to laugh or cry to learn that the Sheriff's department is asking us for theories on this case. But, since he has I guess we should give it a try.

It's going to be hard tho, because surely they have thought of everything we have?

I don't know where to begin here.

gaelicpeas · #24 03-17-2008, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by donna [*]gaelicpeas, that is one of the reasons why I feel that the truth is probably bits and pieces of each theory. [/*]

Yes, Donna, without answers to a few key questions, I could generate seriously a dozen plus theories - maybe more!

Howiefan · #25 03-17-2008, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gaelicpeas [*]geez..... I find it really hard to recommend any one of my many theories because we are missing so much key
information.
respectfully snipped

! [/*]

Good point peas, then I would maybe put all those at the head of the top of the theories... There might be a couple of theories all ready posted that need a bit of touching up if you intend to send all of them or link all of them
jmo

gaelicpeas · #26 03-17-2008, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

Just put them all over there gp. It will be up to OCSD as to whether to dismiss them or not, not us.

I respect each and everyone's theory, if that means anything!

I have several too.

JMO [/*]

Okay, but I may have to take a couple of days off work to get them all together! Maybe I will just come up with some basic variations - geez, why do I have to be so busy at work right now? LOL

#27 03-17-2008, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]I've never posted my theory on there.

Is it too late?

(now that you tell me he's reading over here, I'll have to start wearing the "good" bra)

[/*]

Cryme you need to get your theory in there woman! This is your chance to share the rug info!

You know I am just teasing you.

I have always had the impression you have a theory though so you should post it.

nuttintodo · #28 03-17-2008, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert [*]I don't know whether to laugh or cry to learn that the Sheriff's department is asking us for theories on this case. But, since he has I guess we should give it a try.

It's going to be hard tho, because surely they have thought of everything we have?

I don't know where to begin here.

[/*]

Why laugh or cry at him asking us to submit theories? He clearly states to they would like to see if they have missed anything. I don't know about you but obviously he feels that, as a group, we have spent so much time and thought on this case and as he stated: may be some very original thoughts that we have not discussed.

I see this as a compliment to everyone who participates in the ongoing discussion of this case.

If you don't feel like doing a theory, no one is forcing you to give one, Scamp. And I say this with much respect as I do respect you as a poster!

Just my thoughts and opinion.

#29 03-17-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by Marcia3 [*]Thanks, nuttin, for posting RS' response to the email of many questions!

Really stoked that he is interested in some of our theories. Sounds like we are as smart as we think we are!

[/*]

LMAO You crack me up Marcia!

SavannahStar · #30 03-17-2008, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert [*]I don't know whether to laugh or cry to learn that the Sheriff's department is asking us for theories on this case. But, since he has I guess we should give it a try.

It's going to be hard tho, because surely they have thought of everything we have?

I don't know where to begin here.

[/*]

I think it's a scream!

I don't have a theory......don't want one.

#31 03-17-2008, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

Why laugh or cry at him asking us to submit theories? He clearly states to they would like to see if they have missed anything. I don't know about you but obviously he feels that, as a group, we have spent so much time and thought on this case and as he stated: may be some very original thoughts that we have not discussed.

I see this as a compliment to everyone who participates in the ongoing discussion of this case.

If you don't feel like doing a theory, no one is forcing you to give one, Scamp. And I say this with much respect as I do respect you as a poster!

Just my thoughts and opinion. [/*]

LOL, why would you take my post so personally? My point was that it seems to me that if they have to ask US for theories that THEY are stuck. Understand? Has nothing to do with dissing anyone here. Don't be so sensitive.

I respect you too Nuttin.

SavannahStar · #32 03-17-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by Regina.Lampert [*]

LOL, why would you take my post so personally? My point was that it seems to me that if they have to ask US for theories that THEY are stuck. Understand? Has nothing to do with dissing anyone here. Don't be so sensitive.

I respect you too Nuttin. [/*]

That's the way I feel as well. And I posted before I read nuttin's response to you, so I am probably in the same boat as you are for laughing at the request.

nuttintodo · #33 03-17-2008, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert [*]

LOL, why would you take my post so personally? My point was that it seems to me that if they have to ask US for theories that THEY are stuck. Understand? Has nothing to do with dissing anyone here. Don't be so sensitive.

I respect you too Nuttin. [/*]

I wasn't responding because it affected me personally, I simply asked you a question. I didn't think I was responding sensitively, sorry if it came off like that.

They may very well be stuck. Any help that can be provided to help them catch this idiot should be welcomed. I want him caught and made to answer to what he's allegedly (even though I think he did it all--with or without help) done.

And AMW asks for our help all the time, LOL.

mollybrown · #34 03-17-2008, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

I wasn't responding because it affected me personally, I simply asked you a question. I didn't think I was responding sensitively, sorry if it came off like that.

They may very well be stuck. Any help that can be provided to help them catch this idiot should be welcomed. I want him caught and made to answer to what he's allegedly (even though I think he did it all--with or without help) done.

And AMW asks for our help all the time, LOL. [/*]

I can only go with the fact that the jury in the Jensen case were the only ones that put the "Ledger Note" next to the "Letter" Sometmes you can't see the forest for the trees.

CANDYKISSES · #35 03-17-2008, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

I wasn't responding because it affected me personally, I simply asked you a question. I didn't think I was responding sensitively, sorry if it came off like that.

They may very well be stuck. Any help that can be provided to help them catch this idiot should be welcomed. I want him caught and made to answer to what he's allegedly (even though I think he did it all--with or without help) done.

And AMW asks for our help all the time, LOL. [/*]

Nuttin, I can remember when I first started following crime boards, I believe it was the Westerfield trial IIRC, where the posters from a crime board were publicly thanked for their dedication and HELP on the case. I'm off to look for a link.

I think someone had a luncheon for those posters and one of the papers covered it.

JMO til I find the link.

#36 03-17-2008, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nuttintodo [*]

I wasn't responding because it affected me personally, I simply asked you a question. I didn't think I was responding sensitively, sorry if it came off like that.

They may very well be stuck. Any help that can be provided to help them catch this idiot should be welcomed. I want him caught and made to answer to what he's allegedly (even though I think he did it all--with or without help) done.

And AMW asks for our help all the time, LOL. [/*]

Okay nuttin, we're cool as far as I am concerned and would love to see one of ours come up with a theory that solves or helps solves this case. On this we can agree.

#37 03-17-2008, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

That's the way I feel as well. And I posted before I read nuttin's response to you, so I am probably in the same boat as you are for laughing at the request.

[/*]

That's only because you've been drinking green beer all day........................

crymeariver2006 · #38 03-17-2008, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom [*]

Cryme you need to get your theory in there woman! This is your chance to share the rug info!

You know I am just teasing you.

I have always had the impression you have a theory though so you should post it. [/*]

Maybe he'll read mine and I can be Queen for a Day?

And I'll get to have lunch with Rick and pose for pictures....

And I'll get the key to Onslow County.....

And school children will have the day off from school.....

Yeah, that's the ticket!

Thanks, I needed to snap out of it!

shelkobe · #39 03-17-2008, 08:49 PM

I'll have to do some thinking and then put my own theyory on that thread. I've never actually clicked on it.

Perhaps if there are some early theories oin there that have now been rendered impossible or very unlikely based on later information, those can be left off the email sent to RS. Of course, there may be none but I wanted to throw that out there.

#40 03-17-2008, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

Maybe he'll read mine and I can be Queen for a Day?

And I'll get to have lunch with Rick and pose for pictures....

And I'll get the key to Onslow County.....

And school children will have the day off from school.....

Yeah, that's the ticket!

Thanks, I needed to snap out of it! [/*]

Dang woman if you get all that I will buy you some new rugs and pillows if ya promise not to take the "Do not remove" tags off this time!