Discussion - March 17th.

[n/t]

Good Morning and Happy St. Patrick's day!

Quote from Mr. Liebeman, AMW

Normally, when you look through somebody's records you will find some debts being owed or you'll find that this guy had enemies.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331893,00.html

Yes I'm quoting it again for a different reason this time. Financial records aren't the only indication of whether or not Nicholas had enemies. It may be but what other steps have LE taken to rule out any other possibility?

Normally, people close to the investigation are questioned and ruled out. Did LE question everyone close to Nicholas including his wife, mother, dad, sisters, in laws, coworkers, boss, friends, neighbours, etc.?

That was on my mind when I woke up this morning.


Continued prayers for Nicholas.

[Shelby1]

Good morning!

Hoping we get more answers today.

[n/t]

Just thought of something else.

Besides theft, what other motives would a person have to kidnap and/or murder someone?

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by n/t [*]Just thought of something else.

Besides theft, what other motives would a person have to kidnap and/or murder someone? [/*]

Morning n/t.

You know what they say, murder is usually tied too

Drugs
love/jealousy or
money.

We will add revenge. Not awake yet.

[AMS]

Originally posted by n/t [*]Just thought of something else.

Besides theft, what other motives would a person have to kidnap and/or murder someone? [/*]

Good morning, How about to keep them quiet? That person may know something that the other person does not want "shared".

AMS

[huskiki]

Good Morning Everyone!

It would be nice to know who was investigated in this case. I keep going back to if it was the other way around and Christine was missing, you know LE would have been all over Nicholas. I don't get the double standard.

Happy St. Patrick's Day!

[Shelby1]

In all of my reading, I missed this:

Bad news. Nicholas Francisco is an Art Director at Publicis advertising agency on lower Queen Anne in Seattle. He’s gone missing.
Publicis has hired a private investigator and his friends, family are performing daily searches. Francisco has been missing since leaving work Wednesday night and never arriving home in SeaTac. Sightings of the 28-year-old have been reported at a gas station on Elliot Avenue in Seattle and also in Burien.

Have you seen him? Above is the flyer with all the contact information you need to help out or share any information you may have. His pregnant wife and his two children would appreciate it.

As you all do, we too wish for his safe return.

http://agencyspy.wordpress.com/2008/...las-francisco/


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I wonder if the investigator is still working on the case????

[n/t]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]Good Morning Everyone!

It would be nice to know who was investigated in this case. I keep going back to if it was the other way around and Christine was missing, you know LE would have been all over Nicholas. I don't get the double standard.

Happy St. Patrick's Day! [/*]

I totally agree huskiki. After rereading some of the articles on the links thread and taking the inconsistencies and statements made by Christine, if it were the other way around, LE would be all over Nicholas.

Some of the comments made by readers in some of the links were also very interesting. If any of you have some time, read the link Cury posted yesterday and go to the readers comments.

Originally posted by cteall [*]Possibly (and hopefully) more is going on behind the scenes than we know. It just seems really odd that his family and LE is being quiet and not doing much. We had a great reason for LE not doing much as someone was on vacation (!?!?) But that person should be well rested now and ready to continue the search for NF. But....why is his family not saying anything?? [/*]

I know right?
That really bothers me.
Where is HIS family????

Originally posted by Shelby1 [*]In all of my reading, I missed this:

Bad news. Nicholas Francisco is an Art Director at Publicis advertising agency on lower Queen Anne in Seattle. He’s gone missing.
Publicis has hired a private investigator and his friends, family are performing daily searches. Francisco has been missing since leaving work Wednesday night and never arriving home in SeaTac. Sightings of the 28-year-old have been reported at a gas station on Elliot Avenue in Seattle and also in Burien.

Have you seen him? Above is the flyer with all the contact information you need to help out or share any information you may have. His pregnant wife and his two children would appreciate it.

As you all do, we too wish for his safe return.

http://agencyspy.wordpress.com/2008/...las-francisco/


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I wonder if the investigator is still working on the case???? [/*]

I wonder if they are still doing daily searches?
Usually the public helps w/ that stuff right?
What if a bunch of us were wanting to start searching?
Would we do that w/ the family like we see when, for example, a missing college girl is abducted or something like that??

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by cteall [*]This is strictly my opinion, but I think somebody knows something and for whatever reason they are not talking. We have LE doing their investigation, the family of NF and a PI hired by Publicis....now a month later all of them seem (IMO) to be quiet. Doesn't anyone else see a common denominator here? [/*]

I wish they would come out publicly and say that they no longer consider him a missing person, then.

My gut just won't let me think that he walked away from his children, though.

[n/t]

Originally posted by cteall [*]This is strictly my opinion, but I think somebody knows something and for whatever reason they are not talking. We have LE doing their investigation, the family of NF and a PI hired by Publicis....now a month later all of them seem (IMO) to be quiet. Doesn't anyone else see a common denominator here? [/*]

I do. The only one doing all the talking is Christine.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by n/t [*]

I totally agree huskiki. After rereading some of the articles on the links thread and taking the inconsistencies and statements made by Christine, if it were the other way around, LE would be all over Nicholas.

Some of the comments made by readers in some of the links were also very interesting. If any of you have some time, read the link Cury posted yesterday and go to the readers comments. [/*]

Thanks for directing me to that link. I had read the article before but didn't notice the comment section. It seems more and more online papers are doing that now.

It's nice to see that we're not the only ones questioning things about this case.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1 [*]

I wish they would come out publicly and say that they no longer consider him a missing person, then.

My gut just won't let me think that he walked away from his children, though. [/*]

I know what you mean Shelby but it happens. I posted a link to one of Oprah's shows aired last week. This poor woman was pregnant with her 4th. child, her husband was a minister and he left her for another woman.

This poor woman begged her husband not to leave. She even held onto his ankles before he left.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by n/t [*]

I know what you mean Shelby but it happens. I posted a link to one of Oprah's shows aired last week. This poor woman was pregnant with her 4th. child, her husband was a minister and he left her for another woman.

This poor woman begged her husband not to leave. She even held onto his ankles before he left.

[/*]

I know it happens *sigh*. What a sad story

The only difference is, his kids know he's not missing. He'll probably see them and continue having a relationship. Could Nicholas walk away on his own and never ever see his kids again? Never meet his new baby?

According to Christine he couldn't.

What about friends and family out there? Give us some information about Nicholas. Was he a devoted father? Could he leave and never look back?

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1 [*]

I know it happens *sigh*. What a sad story

The only difference is, his kids know he's not missing. He'll probably see them and continue having a relationship. Could Nicholas walk away on his own and never ever see his kids again? Never meet his new baby?

According to Christine he couldn't.

What about friends and family out there? Give us some information about Nicholas. Was he a devoted father? Could he leave and never look back? [/*]

Maybe he just needed a break from all the stresses in his life and couldn't do it if he would tell Christine. Maybe Christine would get too upset and then he'd have no choice but to stay.

Also, another thing I thought of last night and that was Christine's reference to some dream she had of Nicholas being near water.

Could that be another clue? Maybe some of us think the worse but what if it really meant, he's vacationing somewhere on a beach. Yes, maybe even sipping Margueritas in Mexico as she pointed out in one of the interviews.

Who knows.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1 [*]To add to what n/t said, most of us are very caring people who only want to help--and NOT for the money. Honestly, it never ever crossed my mind to try to find him for the money. [/*]

I'm with you. The reward money never even crossed my mind.

[Sunday Moon]

Good morning, friends! I have been scarce lately but not because I am no longer interested! I have been extremely busy lately but now have some time to catch up (my students are in Art!!))

Hmmmm, interesting that FYI's first thought is MONEY. Why would that person even think about that when not a one of us has ever even alluded to it. Veeeery interesting, I must say.

And as for a motive to kill....I am also thinking that possibly Nicholas knew something shady about work or church and someone silenced him. That's my new theory! I don't think that someone would have kidnapped him for money or his car, I think it was something else.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by FYI In WA [*]So 20+ pages later, hundreds of comments, assumptions, etc. Have you guys actually HELPED anyone? I mean, on other cases that you follow?

You have this site up to help find the missing. I can find this discussion on the internet by typing in "Nicholas Francisco". I can also find maps to their home, pictures of their home, basically the entire life of the Francisco's unveiled.

Let's follow one of the theory's and say he was "kidnapped." Now if they DO want to get to Christine, you've provided them every possible way to contact her.

Not only is she facing the fact that her husband may never be found, she's also going to have to move, change her email addresses, many many little things you guys don't think about.

I don't see this blog as a help, I see it as some bored people looking to get some tiny little tip that might help them get the $15,000 reward.

Christine is dealing with this, she's working with state-provided social workers to help her sort through the options. She doesn't feel safe in her home and has had tons of support from her close friends. She doesn't think (because it's been discussed with the investigators) that Viliamu Fale's disappearance has anything to do with Nicholas.

And (because I've talked to her as well,) Viliamu's wife Stephanie has only kept HIS case out of the media because she's a very private person and is in shock.

Come on, Christine is an adult, a parent and is a lot stronger than ANYONE here has given her credit for. You think you know everything from your distant computer and your secret "investigating techniques," well let me tell you you're sadly mistaken if you think she's EVER going to "get over" this and "move on", she's just trying to figure out what's going to happen to her home, cars, lights, water, etc. in the months ahead.

Everyone started out being so positive and giving her well-wishes and then all of a sudden that $15k reward money brought out the evil.

If he was out of her life for any other reason, she'd still have to do what she's doing.

I've talked with the police, I've talked with the media, I've talked to everyone around here and there is nothing happening. The police aren't going to just walk around calling his name, there's no where and everywhere to look, that's why no one is "talking."

I had to put my two cents in here, because it really ticks me off that everyone is so negative towards both Christine and Stephanie Fale- when neither of these women asked for this. YES, I do agree that if the women were missing, we'd still be hearing about it on TV.

Get over it, move on, these women are in shock and dealing with a million things right now, but are in professional hands.

PS- Stephanie never went to Art school with Christine, you're information is old and not going anywhere.

God bless both of these families and may we find answers soon! [/*]

I am not sure but I would think a family member could have a thread about a loved one/Victim closed if they ask those in charge especially if it only focuses on one person, who is not the Victim/thread name. You could get in touch with administrator of insessions and request this.

Prayers for both families

Originally posted by PerneciaJane [*]

I am not sure but I would think a family member could have a thread about a loved one/Victim closed if they ask those in charge especially if it only focuses on one person, who is not the Victim/thread name. You could get in touch with administrator of insessions and request this.

Prayers for both families [/*]

That has been your mission since you got here. Which site are you off to next to get it shut down?

Originally posted by Sunday Moon [*]Good morning, friends! I have been scarce lately but not because I am no longer interested! I have been extremely busy lately but now have some time to catch up (my students are in Art!!))

Hmmmm, interesting that FYI's first thought is MONEY. Why would that person even think about that when not a one of us has ever even alluded to it. Veeeery interesting, I must say.

And as for a motive to kill....I am also thinking that possibly Nicholas knew something shady about work or church and someone silenced him. That's my new theory! I don't think that someone would have kidnapped him for money or his car, I think it was something else. [/*]

I keep going back and forth. I just can't see him walking out on his family I wonder about the Church connection also

This was brought up before and I wanted to pop it back in here to keep it as a possibility.

Dissociative fugue is a rare disorder. An individual with dissociative fugue suddenly and unexpectedly takes physical leave of his or her surroundings and sets off on a journey of some kind. These journeys can last hours, or even several days or months. Individuals experiencing a dissociative fugue have traveled over thousands of miles. An individual in a fugue state is unaware of or confused about his identity, and in some cases will assume a new identity (although this is the exception).

As for FYI in WA -- I appreciate that she/he took the time to post all that in the middle of what must be an exhausting month of searching for Nicholas herself/himself.

WHY have they never made a public plea again? The sisters were crying and it broke my heart and then.... silence. That simply does not happen UNLESS they did find out he is alive and that he left CF. Their silence speaks volumes. The loudness of CF speaks volumes. A Mom of a missing child ( no matter the age of that child ) does not just go away and not speak, plead, go to the ends of the earth searching and crying out. Yet she is silent. CF has been so loud and so out there on message boards that it reminds me of the " one that barks the loudest " She does come across as guilty but of what? Knowing he DID actually come home that night? Perhaps. The initial report is based solely on her statement only and that was not until around 10:00, right? Also to FYI in WA...... nice try but not gonna fly here. Wondering if anyone is up to tracking the IP of FYI? Might be interesting as well as a couple of others. And Pernecia, I doubt threads are ever shut down due to the reason you stated. Just look back at some of them that got much more intense than this one and have lasted years. Holloway comes to mind.
Edited to add to FYI and Pernecia: Remember there are many legal eagles etc. on ths site- the profession ( or obsession! ) of many of us and therefore the reason we can discuss it.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie [*]

I keep going back and forth. I just can't see him walking out on his family I wonder about the Church connection also [/*]

http://www.komotv.com/home/video/167...?video=pop&t=a

[n/t]

Originally posted by field of snow [*]This was brought up before and I wanted to pop it back in here to keep it as a possibility.

<snipped>



[/*]

Wow. I never read that before. I must've missed it when it was being discussed. So this a mental disorder?

[Popas2cents]

APRIL 9

Does he return? File for divorce? What?

[n/t]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote [*]

http://www.komotv.com/home/video/167...?video=pop&t=a [/*]

Hi Cury,

Thanks for all the links! I don't have speakers at work and will only be able to listen to this when I get home.

Where is Belltown?

[AMS]

Originally posted by n/t [*]

Wow. I never read that before. I must've missed it when it was being discussed. So this a mental disorder? [/*]

Here's some more on dissociative fugue. It's interesting...

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec07/ch106/ch106c.html

AMS

Originally posted by n/t [*]

Wow. I never read that before. I must've missed it when it was being discussed. So this a mental disorder? [/*]

It was brought up only briefly, but it fits with my original instinct.

Yes it's a mental thing. And it is triggered often by abuse/trauma or stress, including FINANCIAL stress (as well as marital).

I'd have to read more about it, but the reason I brought it up is that I was speaking with someone about the case yesterday who has studied psychology and that is the first thought that came to to their mind. Although it's very rare, it does fit with the assumptions and claims that Nicholas would never intentionally leave his children or even CF. The stress of money, working his AD job, working his freelance jobs, and other things could be enough to trigger a breaking point that sets off this fugue.

Just thinking...

[n/t]

Originally posted by AMS [*]



Here's some more on dissociative fugue. It's interesting...

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec07/ch106/ch106c.html

AMS [/*]

Thanks! I'll read it during my lunch hour and do a little more research on it too.

[n/t]

Originally posted by field of snow [*]

It was brought up only briefly, but it fits with my original instinct.

Yes it's a mental thing. And it is triggered often by abuse/trauma or stress, including FINANCIAL stress (as well as marital).

I'd have to read more about it, but the reason I brought it up is that I was speaking with someone about the case yesterday who has studied psychology and that is the first thought that came to to their mind. Although it's very rare, it does fit with the assumptions and claims that Nicholas would never intentionally leave his children or even CF. The stress of money, working his AD job, working his freelance jobs, and other things could be enough to trigger a breaking point that sets off this fugue.

Just thinking... [/*]

I think it's a good possibility that this is what may have happened considering all that we know so far. Loving husband, great dad, no enemies, loveable guy, etc.

Originally posted by Shelby1 [*]In all of my reading, I missed this:

Bad news. Nicholas Francisco is an Art Director at Publicis advertising agency on lower Queen Anne in Seattle. He’s gone missing.
Publicis has hired a private investigator and his friends, family are performing daily searches. Francisco has been missing since leaving work Wednesday night and never arriving home in SeaTac. Sightings of the 28-year-old have been reported at a gas station on Elliot Avenue in Seattle and also in Burien.

Have you seen him? Above is the flyer with all the contact information you need to help out or share any information you may have. His pregnant wife and his two children would appreciate it.

As you all do, we too wish for his safe return.

http://agencyspy.wordpress.com/2008/...las-francisco/


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I wonder if the investigator is still working on the case???? [/*]

I've been wondering, and asking about the Publicis hired PI for a few weeks now. There hasn't been any word on that since it was mentiond initially. And also going back to a post from last night......is it even known/confirmed that the PI (if indeed true that one was hired - it was never confirmed by CF in her *facts*) was hired to find NF to bring him back.....or maybe (just a thought) he/she was hired to be sure that there was "no trace of him left". I still keep, in my mind, linking the timing of NF's disappearance to the breaking in the financial media about the "watergate" type of software related issue involving Publicis. (2/15). Or the possibility that NF was somehow involved in some sort of criminal behavior against his employer.

Since you have not visited here before you don't remember Beth Smith? Go check out her thread. Eye-opening when you don't think people can just walk away or better yet- go check out how her husband was talked about, investigated- people thought maybe he drove all the way to Shreveport, LA from AL just to do something to her. Yet in the end and many months later, Beth was found living in N.Y. and did not want to come home. Yes, she simply walked out of a Beth Moore conference and walked away from her pastor husband AND her children. Walked away from her teaching job and was working in a fast food restaurant. Since you are a friend of CF, please explain why Nick's mom & sisters are now silent? Beth's family was not silent UNTIL they knew she had been located. Suspicions were there in the media and it turned out to be true.

Originally posted by mc528 [*]


I've been wondering, and asking about the Publicis hired PI for a few weeks now. There hasn't been any word on that since it was mentiond initially. And also going back to a post from last night......is it even known/confirmed that the PI (if indeed true that one was hired - it was never confirmed by CF in her *facts*) was hired to find NF to bring him back.....or maybe (just a thought) he/she was hired to be sure that there was "no trace of him left". I still keep, in my mind, linking the timing of NF's disappearance to the breaking in the financial media about the "watergate" type of software related issue involving Publicis. (2/15). Or the possibility that NF was somehow involved in some sort of criminal behavior against his employer. [/*]

was it ever disclosed what that "Watergate" issue was?

I've often thought that also. Publicis knew it so hired their own investigator. CF knew it hence her " coward " comment. She wanted him to stay and face the music but he ran. Maybe? This would probably not be made known in the media if they are investigating it behind the scenes but his mom & sisters might have been told.

This is interesting....

"Why do Men Go Missing?" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7126738.stm

Bernard Cook is still receiving post.

But he has not passed over the threshold of his home and reached down to pick it up since 16 November 2005.

Some time around the middle of that day Mr Cook, estates director for the Mersey Docks and Harbour Company and due at an important meeting, took a van from his work and disappeared.


Bernard Cook
Now when the phone goes you don't expect it to be news
Bernadette Cook
Whose husband, above, is missing

In the two years and 18 days that have passed there has only been one sighting, at a church in Coventry, that has given his family any hope.

It would be understandable to fear he had killed himself, but despite extensive police efforts no body has been found. He has not tried to access his bank accounts and there was no evidence of preparations for disappearance.

When we think of missing people we tend to assume vulnerable women, troubled teenagers and children running away. But there is a category of missing person that receives less coverage in the national news: men over the age of 30.

Across the UK, there are as many as 210,000 missing persons reports every year, although with one person often being counted several times for numerous disappearances,

(story continues at the link above)

[Nellie]

FYI, I'm curious about a few things.

Why did Christine tell the Greta producer that she was all alone with no help but you're indicating that "she has tons of support from her friends". Which is it? I don't understand her telling them that if people are helping her.

Welcome to the board. Maybe you can help us clear up some of these inconsistencies. There may be perfectly logically explanations for them and knowing the explanations will help us understand better.

Thank you.

[n/t]

Originally posted by field of snow [*]This is interesting....

"Why do Men Go Missing?" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7126738.stm


(story continues at the link above) [/*]

"although with one person often being counted several times for numerous disappearances"

hmmmm wonder what they mean by this?

Originally posted by Nellie [*]FYI, I'm curious about a few things.

Why did Christine tell the Greta producer that she was all alone with no help but you're indicating that "she has tons of support from her friends". Which is it? I don't understand her telling them that if people are helping her.

Welcome to the board. Maybe you can help us clear up some of these inconsistencies. There may be perfectly logically explanations for them and knowing the explanations will help us understand better.

Thank you. [/*]

this has come up a number of times. i wonder if it was just a comment that the producer came up with and not something christine actually said?