Discussion - March 16th

[RainyNiteNTx]

Never done this before - seeing if this works

[RainyNiteNTx]

After a restless night, I would like to share some thoughts with all of you.

I've decided that I do not have the stomach to do this anymore right now. After reading Greenfashionbags post I realize that is who I am - I'm a doer and have spent most of my life helping others including animals sometimes to the point of hurting my own personal relationships.

My purpose in coming here was to see if anything I could piece together would help Nicholas, but if I'm not part of the solution, I'm part of the problem. It is hard to discuss this case without looking at inconsistencies from Christine. Then when I point them out, I feel no better for having done so.

Just a week into this thing people were encouraging Christine to call TES and she would not listen - she said they didn't go out of Texas and even when people supplied links to her, she still was hesitant to believe them. She eventually said she emailed the director. I believe the request has to come in postal form. I've supplied the link several times on this board and all it would take is the click of a button to at least add Nicholas' picture on their site.

I will continue to read when I have time, but I'm taking a break folks. I will continue to pray and hope that this young man is reunited with his family and the Lord.

[sarahhod]

Rainy I love reading your posts. Please dont stop now. Your passionate, honest and say it as you see it, nothing wrong in that. Please reconsider.

Sarah xx

For you.

[JD1974]

Hi everyone. I have been reading daily trying to catch up with as much as I can, finally I feel like I have most of the information to post here.

Anyway, this case is truly baffling to me, I am torn about what I think happened. I really want to believe he walked, maybe because he would be ok, but I am not sure I buy that. Not sure I buy the wife being involved either, although I do agree with some posters that some of her comments seem to be inconsistant. The last thing left would be a random crime, but why leave the car, LE can get a microscopic hair out of there and most criminals know it. They checked the car and apparently didn't find anything, so that leads back to...what exactly?

I think this is the first time I actually cannot make up my mind, I can't even decide what to believe happened, let alone who did what.

[JD1974]

Hope you change your mind Rainy, as I said I have been reading, just not posting. I enjoy reading your posts and sometimes we get so caught up in our opinions that we say things we don't mean. Just take a step back for a bit and take a deep breath.

[n/t]

Good Morning Everyone,

JD, glad you're posting with us. This case is a real mystery. There are still so many unknowns and unfortunately, in my opinion, we're only hearing what is deemed as fact from one person. The wife. Very little was actually stated by LE except that they won't rule out foul play or that he voluntarily left.

So do we take her word as gospel. She believes he was murdered. Many of us believe he walked away and hope he's still alive.

Hopefully, we'll get more information from LE but until then this will be a difficult case to follow with limited facts to go on. I'm also hoping his family will step up to the plate. They should be helping out with the search. They should be looking for their son and brother.

Rainy, I hope you reconsider but I understand that sometimes we need to step away for a few days. I've done it a few times on Madeleine's forum.


Continued prayers for Nicholas.

[JD1974]

Hey N/T, good to be posting with you again! Maybe the family isn't doing anything because he told THEM and not her what he was doing?? Could explain why she is so mad, why they never appear together ( at least from what I seen), what do you think? (wishful thinking on my part probably, but I am hoping)

[Shelby1]

Hi JD,

I would think that his parents would hopefully tell the police that he left on his own.......

[n/t]

Originally posted by JD1974 [*]

Hey N/T, good to be posting with you again! Maybe the family isn't doing anything because he told THEM and not her what he was doing?? Could explain why she is so mad, why they never appear together ( at least from what I seen), what do you think? (wishful thinking on my part probably, but I am hoping) [/*]

I thought the same at first, JD but then why would his mom do an interview. Also, would they not have contacted LE?? If they know he's safe and they're not saying anything, wouldn't that get them into legal trouble?

I would hope if Nicholas did contact them, they would do the right thing and advise Christine and LE to at least let them know he's safe.

In my opinion, they may have a feeling that he left her and that's why maybe they're not getting too involved. He may have confided in them about marital problems prior to his disappearance.

All speculation on my part.

[desmom]

I find this investigation interesting because there is so little information about NF. We know he is a family man with a wife, 2c children and one on the way, he is not the type to hang out with friends after work, he is a great guy, he attended the Art Institute, has been employed by Publicis for a little over 6 years, he works out of his home in the evenings and recently resigned from the church.

I still believe he walked because to believe anything else would mean he has probably been injured, and I don't want to go there.

What does he do for relaxation? Read, write, draw, water ski, snow ski, skydiving, canoeing, white water rafting, camping, jog, work out at the gym, play sports.....?

Does he have a favorite restaurant/fast food joint? Is he a Starbucks fan?

Before marriage and children, how did he spend his pleasure time? Where is that place he always wanted to live?

I am not asking these questions to be nosy. I am asking because these are places that need to be checked...places to send his missing flyer. I also feel they need to look at areas outside of Seattle.

Rainy, it is easy to become emotionally wrapped up in missing person cases. I always feel so helpless. My mind has difficulty wrapping around the theory someone can totally disappear, even though I know it happens every day. Sometimes you have to make yourself take a break...to regroup...organize your thoughts. I hope you reconsider and come back.

jmo

[JD1974]

Originally posted by n/t [*]

I thought the same at first, JD but then why would his mom do an . [/*]

Yeah I guess that was kind of an idiotic idea LOL I don't think they would get into trouble though because legally he has done nothing wrong, if he hasn't done anything wrong for not turning himself in, can they get in trouble for not doing it?

Good point about the feeling, maybe they don't know anything, they just know their son and think Christine must have done something to make him leave? Would explain again why they aren't very close during a time they should be? Also it is pretty normal for the parents to take a side during maritial problems...

[carterkatt]

Rainy,

Maybe you can step back and be a reader/lurker (much like me!) unless something jumps out at you and you have to respond. Please don't totally walk away. We need you and value you.
k

[n/t]

desmom, great questions.

I'm trying all I can to get the awareness going. I'm in Canada. Eastern Canada and have contacted all my coworkers on the West Coast both Victoria and Vancouver (British Columbia) and sent them a copy of the flyer. There is no coverage at all on Nicholas here in Canada.

I have also spoken to some Filipino coworkers to ask if they knew of a Francisco. They didn't recognize the name so I showed them the flyer and told them a little bit about the case. They said they would keep they're eyes and ears open in their community.

Interestingly, one of them said something to me (of course he doesn't have all the details as we do here) but his first thought was did he have money? So I told him, not more than an average person and that Nicholas has a pregnant wife and two kids. He said oh I see. When I asked him to elaborate, he said that if he had money escaping to the Phillipines would be a no no. I'm guessing he meant there's a lot of crime there and he would've met with foul play. I told him I didn't believe he went to the Phillipines and that's how the conversation ended.

You're all probably asking why bring this up. I brought it up because I wondered if Nicholas was involved with the Filipino community, if at all. Would he come across as someone with a lot of money?

Again, this may or may not have anything to do with the case but bringing forth things I hear may shed some light or perhaps could look at other possibilities.


ETA: When I said no coverage, I meant none on the Canadian Television Stations. We do get Fox, MSNBC and CNN cable coverage. Just wanted to clarify that.

[n/t]

Originally posted by JD1974 [*]


Yeah I guess that was kind of an idiotic idea LOL I don't think they would get into trouble though because legally he has done nothing wrong, if he hasn't done anything wrong for not turning himself in, can they get in trouble for not doing it?

Good point about the feeling, maybe they don't know anything, they just know their son and think Christine must have done something to make him leave? Would explain again why they aren't very close during a time they should be? Also it is pretty normal for the parents to take a side during maritial problems... [/*]

No idea is idiotic!! I think you had a good theory and one that many of us still wonder as a possibility. He may very well have contacted someone in the family. It may not be his mom, father or sisters but a close relative. Cousin or uncle? Who knows.

[dianaelaine]

I do believe that his parents, or any family that's been contacted would have to tell LE, or they would be in trouble. If they knew something and allowed the LE to spend time and money to look for him, yeah ... that's not cool.

I still don't get why CF was claiming foul play from the start, and then murder, and then water. Is it, as some of you suggest, her way of coping with the fact that he may have just walked away, or is it something more?

[desmom]

I have been doing a lot of thinking about CF and her concern about funds.

IIRC, she attended the Art Institute. She would have been 20 or maybe 21 when she graduated. They have been married 7 years. Graduate h.s., go to college, get married?

It is quite possible she has never had to support herself...has never lived alone. If she did, I think it would have been for a very short period of time. I remember my first apt and I was not the best at budgeting because my priorities were different - i.e. always paid my bills on time, but always made sure I had enough $$ to hang out with friends. Life was all fun and games.

She may have worked when they were first married. Those first years of marriage without children is fun and games also. Then the first child arrives and it is a major life altering experience and responsibility.

NF has been the bread winner. She is now faced with raising 2 children, has another one on the way and has to become the bread winner. I am sure it threw her into a panic as it has every other parent that was abandoned with children.

Hopefully she has a friend that is raising children alone that can give her some guidance and that nudge. She is going to have to figure out how to support her family, raise her children and continue to look for NF. Sadly, she is not the first single parent and she will not be the last.

jmo

[Cury-us Coyote]

Missing Persons
http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/...ssing_persons/

Sheriff Rahr Issues Statement Regarding Tanya Rider Case
http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/article.aspx?id=329

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by n/t [*]

..............snip...........
I would hope if Nicholas did contact them, they would do the right thing and advise Christine and LE to at least let them know he's safe.
.......snip............
[/*]

It's my suspicion that's been done. My opinion only.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote [*]Missing Persons
http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/...ssing_persons/

Sheriff Rahr Issues Statement Regarding Tanya Rider Case
http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/article.aspx?id=329 [/*]

What are they DOING with our men???

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote [*]Missing Persons
http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/...ssing_persons/

Sheriff Rahr Issues Statement Regarding Tanya Rider Case
http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/article.aspx?id=329 [/*]

Thanks, Cury-us. Very interesting links. One implication is that King County Sheriff got the phone records without sharing them with wife. That was a topic of discussion earlier. Also (if procedure was followed) that wife got a list of hospitals and other places to call on that first day.

Then, why is Nicholas not listed as missing on the King County web site? Do they know something they are not sharing? This has been my sense for the last week or so.

[SeattleEddie]

Rainy, very much appreciate your thoughts on this disappearance. I understand the need to step back. It becomes quite consuming. I hope you'll be back after taking a rest.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by dianaelaine [*]

What are they DOING with our men??? [/*]

Are you asking about "our men" in general or specifically Nicholas who have broken a law(s)? Which law(s) has Nicholas broken? Has CF filed any non-support complaints? TIA

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote [*]

Are you asking about "our men" in general or specifically Nicholas who have broken a law(s)? Which law(s) has Nicholas broken? Has CF filed any non-support complaints? TIA [/*]

I was referring to all the men/boys who are abducted. Who are taking them, why are they taking them, and WHERE are they?

I feel so bad about everybody missing, women too and children of COURSE, but I was just wondering who are taking the MEN and WHY?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by dianaelaine [*]

I was referring to all the men/boys who are abducted. Who are taking them, why are they taking them, and WHERE are they?

I feel so bad about everybody missing, women too and children of COURSE, but I was just wondering who are taking the MEN and WHY? [/*]

Another group providing assistance for families of the missing.
http://projectjason.org/

[dianaelaine]

Why is today's thread a Sticky?

Originally posted by dianaelaine [*]Why is today's thread a Sticky? [/*]

The daily thread always is....

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by dianaelaine [*]Why is today's thread a Sticky? [/*]

Just to keep it at the top of the list.
jmo

[Cury-us Coyote]

Where's Nicholas?
http://www.carolesundfoundation.com/

[n/t]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote [*]

Another group providing assistance for families of the missing.
http://projectjason.org/ [/*]

There's another poster here who's son has been missing for a long time. She's helped so many here with tips. My God, I can't remember her name. ARRGH!

Anybody??

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by n/t [*]

There's another poster here who's son has been missing for a long time. She's helped so many here with tips. My God, I can't remember her name. ARRGH!

Anybody?? [/*]

Kelly Jolkowski?

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1 [*]

Kelly Jolkowski? [/*]

Yes. Duh me. I hadn't clicked on the link. That's the website CC just posted.

She's wonderful. I urge Christine to contact her.

I know many have said that CF should stay off the crime boards, but I gotta tell ya, after notifying the authorities this would be the first place I'd come to if I were in that situation. You all are so helpful and have so many links and ideas that are helpful.

I wonder if LE passes this kind of information on to people who have loved ones missing. Info about TES and ways they can get the word out. Maybe Harrlett knows.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by n/t [*]

There's another poster here who's son has been missing for a long time. She's helped so many here with tips. My God, I can't remember her name. ARRGH!

Anybody?? [/*]

Kelly Jolkowski. She's awesome. Bless her heart.

[need2no]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie [*]

Thanks, Cury-us. Very interesting links. One implication is that King County Sheriff got the phone records without sharing them with wife. That was a topic of discussion earlier. Also (if procedure was followed) that wife got a list of hospitals and other places to call on that first day.

Then, why is Nicholas not listed as missing on the King County web site? Do they know something they are not sharing? This has been my sense for the last week or so. [/*]

This is what was reported in Seattle Times, if we can believe this-

Police tried to use Francisco's cellphone to track him but discovered it had either been turned off or was dead.
Private negotiations with Francisco's cellphone company resulted in T-Mobile's "generous" offer to release the records voluntarily, according to his wife, Christine Francisco.
>>She said she turned the records over to detectives Friday.<<

They have posted flyers, circled shopping mall parking lots and checked with grocery store clerks to see if he might have stopped off somewhere to pick up a Valentine present for his wife. They have also checked hospital emergency rooms, and called the King County Medical Examiner. **the "they" in this paragraph is Clif Chambliss a family friend and a group he organized to search for NF.**

Why he is not listed on the King County mp list is a mystery. Is it possible he was and has now been removed?


King County sheriff's spokesman John Urquhart said Francisco's name had been entered in the National Crime Information Center computer system as a missing person, although there was no initial indication of foul play. 02/15/08 *I wonder if he is still listed on the NCIC database?*

Rainy I understand, been there done that. A break can be really helpful and a good thing to do for yourself.

Came across this thread this morning... anyone sees what I "see"?
(I could be completely off...)


http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5521030

http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=5195368

http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5591152

Sorry for being so vague but I didn't want to pin point any details IN CASE I am wrong...

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by CAT TOY [*]C'ya soon, next week. Going under knife tomorrow so won't be here. Have to get my ducks all in a line. I've still been thinking a lot about this case; his wifes bizarre behavior and everything else. I would like to believe he walked away, but for many reasons I believe he did come home that night. It's certainly an option, LE will be looking at that as well. I doubt CF has a very good alibi for that evening.......I still want to know why she "put down" the area of Federal Way, I'd like CF to explain her behavior in front of her child; as well as exp why she is erasing her husbands photos online.

I'd also like to know why CF is not out searching for him on a daily basis, kids in tow. Why are you not camped out at LE HQ, demanding this case be worked? Why didnt you hire a PI with the donations? Why isnt your family or NF's family helping you? WHy no vocal support of you by them during this terrible time?
Why did you change your hairstyle during this time? Why did you want the public to believe that you were living the American Dream and were just middle class america Joe Q type of family when this was not par for the course?
Why did you list NF leaves toast in the toaster or has a few fillings?
Why did you say he is married to his laptop and wears it like a wedding ring? So crypitc.
Why are you online blogging about him as "as case" just weeks after he went missing? You reduced NF to "a case" and that is online for all to see.
Why the constant need to defend yourself to ppl you don't know?
Why does public perception mean so much to you; and why does money?
Why are you coming off the "victim" when it's highly possible that something horrible has happened to your loving husband?
Why do you protest so much? Why are you so indignant in your interviews instead of heartfelt, loving and honest?
Why are you erasing things your husband has put up online, and why do you overstep a boundry like this; is that par for the course, for you?
Why are you not out looking for a job?
Why do you deny that ppl have searched for NF?
Why would you say to the public that you think when the investigator returns from vacation then they may "uncover" things? An odd choice of words to me....Just saying
Why do you think he is in a body of water
ANd why on earth would you want to believe first and foremost that your loving spouse is dead?

This is my list and it's just for starters. See you all next week.

To Nicolas, Please contact someone if you are alive and well. Please let someone know; Please do the right thing.

LE; please rule out those closest to Nicolas F and investigate their home. The answers lie there. The fact that his family has not insisted that they have access to his residence to look for information, baffles me. And of course, the 2nd vehicle. Has it been "washed" lately?

CT [/*]

I hope you have a quick recovery, CT. We will miss you so hurry back.

All excellent questions.

[isitme]

Originally posted by SHinS [*]Came across this thread this morning... anyone sees what I "see"?
(I could be completely off...)


http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5521030

http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=5195368

http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5591152 [/*]

I wonder what you are seeing. The "connection" that I see could be coincidental. But perhaps I am missing something.

Originally posted by isitme [*]

I wonder what you are seeing. The "connection" that I see could be coincidental. But perhaps I am missing something. [/*]

I am totally in the dark...but then I am most of the time

Best wishes for a speedy recovery CT!!!

Originally posted by Beth [*]I've looked at all of them, SHins. It's not even 10 AM and I have no caffeine in me yet. Help point me in the right direction. Oh, I did see on the 3rd link, isn't that NF's site? Is it open for business again? [/*]

Yes it is but no it's not about it being open or not.

You didn't notice anything 'similar' on both profiles?
It's strictly visual but it could lead to something more... IDK yet if I'm onto sth or not so I will refrain from elaborating until I find something else.