Discussion - March 14th.

[n/t]

Good Morning all,

Thanks to those who provided the links last night. I'm still catching up and won't be able to watch the second interview until later when my household is awake. lol.

However, from reading the posts there was supposedly a comment made by the wife or question regarding what else can be done to find Nicholas.

Maybe we can come up with ideas. I brought up searching the water yesterday and I think this is a must. I also think sniffer dogs should be brought in again. Looking at places Nicholas MAY have gone to is another idea. Perhaps posters in the area can help with this.

Still praying and hoping Nicholas is safe and reunited with his children.

[RainyNiteNTx]

SeattleMatt transcribed this last night....Christine also mentions water so that is where I would begin the search...

Originally posted by seattlematt [*]

Hey gang..... I got all excited and did a loose transcript of the interview.... other than some of the dialog and a few typo's it's pretty much all of her statements word for word.

Have fun disecting them.... I'm going out to my birthday dinner.

CF:
somebody knows something and i need to know what they know

[reporter saying things we already know... fingerprint analysis soon]


CF: he needs to call somebody and tell them that he is ok and

reporter: cf is convinced people in this area know what happened.... fingerprint analysis revaled soon.... for the sake of the couples 4 year old daugter and 2 year old son someone needs to speak out soon

CF: He needs to call somebody and tell them that he is OK so we know where {he..} to move on from. If he is not and somebody knows where he is they need to tell somebody so we can lay him to rest and say goodbye.... I don't want to say goodbye.

Reporter: She says with her husbands job benifts running out soon her family is close to filing for bankrupcy.

CF: Right now I have no way to pay my mortgage... no way to pay my bills

Reporter: She is convinced Nicholas may not come home again and she is confused by tormenting dream both of his life and his death.

CF: That i have have bad feeling that he is near water...now the other side of it somebody could say that he is sipping a margaretta in Mexico..... well... he could be... I don't know.

Reporter: And while this mystery of his disappeance continues, she is looking forward to august when she is going to have her third child. She says there isn't a shread of evidence pointing to any foul play. She doesn't believe he'd leave on his own she just wants everyone to keep looking in case they find him and they can have closure. [/*]

[n/t]

Gas stations was also brought up yesterday. Is there a favourite hang out for Art Directors or graphic designers?

[AJandTam]

For Nick.

Good Morning n/t and Rainy.

Just sitting over here shaking my head. I know ya'll know exactly what I am thinking. Oh my o my.

[invreporter1105]

I posted in yesterday's thread asking anyone who lives/works along some significant streets to PM me. Today, I add a few more to the list.

2nd Ave.-Seattle

W. Thomas St.- Seattle

Elliott Ave. W- Seattle

Highway 99 South between Elliott Ave. and Highway 590

Highway 590 between Highway 99 and Highway 518

Highway 518 between Highway 99 and South Center Parkway.

South Center Parkway to South 1800th St.

South 1800th St. from South Center Parkway and Costco Drive.

Thanks in advance. Please refer to my last post yesterday for the other streets.

[n/t]

Are there any wooded areas? Parks? Someone the other day mentioned homeless shelters.

[n/t]

Originally posted by cteall [*]I was out most of the day yesterday. I spent a couple of hours trying to get caught up. Was not able to get through everything, but the bottom line is nothing new really. On multiple levels I could not understand the possibility of filing bankruptcy or letting the house go into forclosure. For now she is the head of the household and owes her children more than just giving up. Would she not try to get a job before taking these drastic measures. I have known PLENTY of pregnant women with children that have jobs. Definitely not an ideal situation, but it could keep a roof over her children's head. JMO [/*]

I agree. From what I understand her baby is due in October (the reporter said August) not sure if that was an error on his part. Maybe Christine or someone close to her can clarify.

With that said, I'll go with the October due date. So she's still in the early stages of her pregnancy and finding a job would not be difficult. An office job would be ideal so she wouldn't have to stay on her feet all day.

There are thousands of women raising children on their own who don't have a choice but to work and support their families.

Yesterday, I also mentioned his family and how surprised I am that they're not getting involved or not that we are aware of. Christine doesn't mention them so I wonder if they're being supportive. If they're helping out with the children and maybe with some of the financial obligations.

I know if I was in a similar situation, my family would be there for me.

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by cteall [*]I am really thinking he is not in the area, with all the attention this case has received someone certainly would have seen something by now. I think somehow he made it out of state, quite possibly in someone else's vehicle as he knew he could not drive his own vehicle. From what I remember that condo complex was fairly close to the airport. [/*]

This is true. However, just to point it out, the condo is also close to Panther Lake, much closer than the airport. This is where I think any new search should take place.

[n/t]

Originally posted by cteall [*]I am really thinking he is not in the area, with all the attention this case has received someone certainly would have seen something by now. I think somehow he made it out of state, quite possibly in someone else's vehicle as he knew he could not drive his own vehicle. From what I remember that condo complex was fairly close to the airport. [/*]

Wouldn't they have checked flight records though? If not, they should!

Good point.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by invreporter1105 [*]

This is true. However, just to point it out, the condo is also close to Panther Lake, much closer than the airport. This is where I think any new search should take place. [/*]

Thanks for answering a question I didn't ask - I don't know about any of the geography in that area. Since water seems to be a concern and is close to the condos, then I would definitely start there.

::waving hi to Tammy::

[n/t]

Any border crossings into Mexico or Canada should also be checked.

[n/t]

Originally posted by cteall [*]I am really surprised the lakes have not been checked out yet, usally this is one of the first places that is checked. It makes me wonder if LE knows something we don't know, it's hard for me to believe this is just an error of the part of LE. [/*]

Especially if the wife thinks he's near water??

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by cteall [*]I am really surprised the lakes have not been checked out yet, usally this is one of the first places that is checked. It makes me wonder if LE knows something we don't know, it's hard for me to believe this is just an error of the part of LE. [/*]

I don't understand why a lot of things have not been done in this case. It makes me sad that a vibrant accomplished 28 year old man can disappear, and from what we know some posters were put up and some areas canvassed and some of those by non LE.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

I don't understand why a lot of things have not been done in this case. It makes me sad that a vibrant accomplished 28 year old man can disappear, and from what we know some posters were put up and some areas canvassed and some of those by non LE. [/*]

I don't either, Rainy. How can they scale back when they haven't even started yet? Not sure what the protocols are for finding a missing person but I would guess because there is no evidence of foul play, they assume he just took off???? Didn't they say early on that they weren't ruling out foul play? Did something happen in the interim to lead them to believe he left voluntarily?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t [*]

I don't either, Rainy. How can they scale back when they haven't even started yet? Not sure what the protocols are for finding a missing person but I would guess because there is no evidence of foul play, they assume he just took off???? Didn't they say early on that they weren't ruling out foul play? Did something happen in the interim to lead them to believe he left voluntarily?


[/*]

Gonna answer both you and Cteall - if every LE agency was this laid back over a missing person, chalking it up to maybe they left, there would be a heck of a lot of lawsuits. People depend on LE for help - they have the resources where we as individuals do not, and if they don't, they can bring in other agencies like TES with a proven track record. To go on vacation two weeks into a disappearance and scale back without ever having really done anything to begin with, looks irresponsible and inept. JMO.

[invreporter1105]

JMO-

I have a hard time drawing a conclusion that Nicholas went missing by choice. No credit card or bank account activity, no missing funds, no cell activity, his co-workers found nothing odd about his behavior on Feb. 13, etc.

It was just another day. He went to work, talked to his wife on the phone, planned an evening activity with his family, etc.

Yeah, one could argue that he muttled through his normal routine to throw people off track, but why?

Why would a loving husband and father just up and run off for no apparent reason?

I don't buy it.

JMO

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by isitme[*]She has elaborated on some of the points in todays interviews on her support site. [/*]



Can you say which site that is?

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by cteall [*]Hi Invreporter.....I just keep going back to the dead cell phone as a big clue, but everything here in this case is so confusing. It has been well documented that he is a loving and caring husband and father. I can't understand how someone like that knowing he had two toddlers and a pregnant wife at home would allow his cell phone to go dead with no way to charge it. Is not as if it happened kinda suddenly, he had plenty of time to tell his co-workers it was dead. I would think knowing his home situation and the fact that he is so tech savey he would make sure he was always able to use his cell phone, if nothing else than to always have a car charger in the glove box in case his wife had a home emergency she needed to contact him for. JMO [/*]

IDK. Maybe he was in a hurry that particular morning and didn't even plug the cell into a charger. Possibly.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by n/t [*]Gas stations was also brought up yesterday. Is there a favourite hang out for Art Directors or graphic designers? [/*]

Good Morning n/t and everyone

There was that meetup site that I linked the other day. They held actual meetings. The message that was left on that site said that Nicholas belonged to the web design community, I took it to believe that he belonged to one of the online groups. The only thing is, I can't seem to find him on that site.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by invreporter1105 [*]JMO-

I have a hard time drawing a conclusion that Nicholas went missing by choice. No credit card or bank account activity, no missing funds, no cell activity, his co-workers found nothing odd about his behavior on Feb. 13, etc.

It was just another day. He went to work, talked to his wife on the phone, planned an evening activity with his family, etc.

Yeah, one could argue that he muttled through his normal routine to throw people off track, but why?

Why would a loving husband and father just up and run off for no apparent reason?

I don't buy it.

JMO [/*]

Even though LE said it could go either way - foul play or walking away, we have been unsuccessful in trying to discuss his leaving in a productive manner. IMO

[huskiki]

Originally posted by cteall [*]I was out most of the day yesterday. I spent a couple of hours trying to get caught up. Was not able to get through everything, but the bottom line is nothing new really. On multiple levels I could not understand the possibility of filing bankruptcy or letting the house go into forclosure. For now she is the head of the household and owes her children more than just giving up. Would she not try to get a job before taking these drastic measures. I have known PLENTY of pregnant women with children that have jobs. Definitely not an ideal situation, but it could keep a roof over her children's head. JMO [/*]

I suggested her getting a job a week or so ago and was almost beheaded. Get a job? People couldn't believe that I suggested such a thing, her husband is missing. Of course I didn't mean right away but down the road if Nicholas didn't return. You can't depend on other people, there needs to be some degree of personal responsibility. Christine is a very talented woman and I would think she could be very successful.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]

I suggested her getting a job a week or so ago and was almost beheaded. Get a job? People couldn't believe that I suggested such a thing, her husband is missing. Of course I didn't mean right away but down the road if Nicholas didn't return. You can't depend on other people, there needs to be some degree of personal responsibility. Christine is a very talented woman and I would think she could be very successful. [/*]

LOL at beheaded - yep you really have to choose your words carefully where certain things are concerned.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

Gonna answer both you and Cteall - if every LE agency was this laid back over a missing person, chalking it up to maybe they left, there would be a heck of a lot of lawsuits. People depend on LE for help - they have the resources where we as individuals do not, and if they don't, they can bring in other agencies like TES with a proven track record. To go on vacation two weeks into a disappearance and scale back without ever having really done anything to begin with, looks irresponsible and inept. JMO. [/*]

Hi Rainy

You're right, can you imagine if all missing person cases were treated this way? This is why I believe that LE is holding on to information that we don't know about. From what we know they don't have many leads and that would explain why they aren't as active but who knows what's going on behind the scenes.

I thought it was the PI who was on holiday. Was it actually the officer assigned to the case?

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]

Hi Rainy

You're right, can you imagine if all missing person cases were treated this way? This is why I believe that LE is holding on to information that we don't know about. From what we know they don't have many leads and that would explain why they aren't as active but who knows what's going on behind the scenes.

I thought it was the PI who was on holiday. Was it actually the officer assigned to the case? [/*]

Apparently so. Christine said the evidence from the car would not be revealed until whoever returned from vacation. This would have to mean the LE.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]

Hi Rainy

You're right, can you imagine if all missing person cases were treated this way? This is why I believe that LE is holding on to information that we don't know about. From what we know they don't have many leads and that would explain why they aren't as active but who knows what's going on behind the scenes.

I thought it was the PI who was on holiday. Was it actually the officer assigned to the case? [/*]

I thought it was the detective because Christine referenced him being gone and the fingerprint analysis being available when he got back.

We don't know what they found with the cell phone records do we? Has that been brought forth?

[n/t]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]

Hi Rainy

You're right, can you imagine if all missing person cases were treated this way? This is why I believe that LE is holding on to information that we don't know about. From what we know they don't have many leads and that would explain why they aren't as active but who knows what's going on behind the scenes.

I thought it was the PI who was on holiday. Was it actually the officer assigned to the case? [/*]

Yes, it was the officer assigned to the case and not the PI. Haven't heard anything about the PI since it was first mentioned.


Hiya!

Originally posted by dianaelaine [*]Originally posted by isitme[*]She has elaborated on some of the points in todays interviews on her support site. [/*]



Can you say which site that is? [/*]

dianaelaine - I sent it to you in a PM

[huskiki]

Originally posted by invreporter1105 [*]JMO-

I have a hard time drawing a conclusion that Nicholas went missing by choice. No credit card or bank account activity, no missing funds, no cell activity, his co-workers found nothing odd about his behavior on Feb. 13, etc.

It was just another day. He went to work, talked to his wife on the phone, planned an evening activity with his family, etc.

Yeah, one could argue that he muttled through his normal routine to throw people off track, but why?

Why would a loving husband and father just up and run off for no apparent reason?

I don't buy it.

JMO [/*]

Hi invreporter

From the outside looking in we all are wondering why this man would up and leave his family, friends and job. The fact remains that this happens to "normal" people all the time.

He has a beautiful family. He has a good job. He has friends who speak highly of him. Why leave?

Then I think that ...he's 28 years old. He has been with Christine for about 10 years, so he was very young when they met. He married young and now has his 3rd child on the way. Young marriages seldom work these days. It's a lot of responsibility, the house, a wife, children. He also seemed to enjoy time with his friends (from the pics we have seen), maybe he wasn't getting enough time for himself. We all need time to ourselves to keep us sane.

I much prefer that he walked out scenario over the foul play scenario, he would be a great loss to many people. Can't rule anything out though.

[n/t]

Originally posted by mc528 [*]


dianaelaine - I sent it to you in a PM [/*]

Can you send it to me too please. TIA!

[Shelby1]

Good morning everyone!

Thanks for posting the interviews on the links thread.

[huskiki]

Thank you guys for straightening me out on the PI/LE holiday. I couldn't remember, there's so much (other) info that contradicts itself, it's hard to keep things straight.

[n/t]

I was searching for top 10 causes of stress in men but only came across this site. I'm at work so unfortunately don't have the time to look further.

This is for women. I wonder if it's the same for men. If not, what would be different.

TOP TEN CAUSES OF STRESS

1 Work

2 Children

3 Money

4 Relationships

5 Worries about the future

6 Appearance

7 Home/property

8 Parents

9 Friends

10 Car



http://blog.thewestminsterpractice.c...loss-in-women/

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]

Hi invreporter

From the outside looking in we all are wondering why this man would up and leave his family, friends and job. The fact remains that this happens to "normal" people all the time.

He has a beautiful family. He has a good job. He has friends who speak highly of him. Why leave?

Then I think that ...he's 28 years old. He has been with Christine for about 10 years, so he was very young when they met. He married young and now has his 3rd child on the way. Young marriages seldom work these days. It's a lot of responsibility, the house, a wife, children. He also seemed to enjoy time with his friends (from the pics we have seen), maybe he wasn't getting enough time for himself. We all need time to ourselves to keep us sane.

I much prefer that he walked out scenario over the foul play scenario, he would be a great loss to many people. Can't rule anything out though. [/*]

Hi, huskiki.

The majority of people seem to believe that Nicholas just walked away.

If he were leaving for a break, vacation, mistress, etc, why would he not tell Christine in the first place. Why would he leave so many unanswered questions behind? I don't think he would want his kids going to bed at night wondering, "Where is my daddy who was suppose to be home to bake cookies with me?"

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by invreporter1105 [*]

Hi, huskiki.

The majority of people seem to believe that Nicholas just walked away.

If he were leaving for a break, vacation, mistress, etc, why would he not tell Christine in the first place. Why would he leave so many unanswered questions behind? I don't think he would want his kids going to bed at night wondering, "Where is my daddy who was suppose to be home to bake cookies with me?" [/*]

That is the part I have a hard time with also. Even if he wanted to leave Christine, I can't fathom he would leave his children. Then you run into we only have her word that he was supposed to do that. I have said this several times but will say it again - I do not know why I can't fathom this - it happened in my family to my older sister years ago. Beautiful couple, church-going, a two year old baby - getting ready to go shopping. He left to go to the store and never came back. He went to his girlfriends.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by invreporter1105 [*]

Hi, huskiki.

The majority of people seem to believe that Nicholas just walked away.

If he were leaving for a break, vacation, mistress, etc, why would he not tell Christine in the first place. Why would he leave so many unanswered questions behind? I don't think he would want his kids going to bed at night wondering, "Where is my daddy who was suppose to be home to bake cookies with me?" [/*]

Why would he tell her? I would think that if he got to that point, where he couldn't take it any more, then I don't think he is even thinking about anybody else. It could be because he feels like he's letting his family down, he could be depressed. If he has a mistress, why would he tell her? I think he knows what that Christine wouldn't be able to handle that. I really can't explain the kids, I can't see how anyone could walk away from their kids but I've seen it happen.

We don't know what his state of mind was on Feb 13th.

Originally posted by n/t [*]

Can you send it to me too please. TIA! [/*]

Sent it

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]

Why would he tell her? I would think that if he got to that point, where he couldn't take it any more, then I don't think he is even thinking about anybody else. It could be because he feels like he's letting his family down, he could be depressed. If he has a mistress, why would he tell her? I think he knows what that Christine wouldn't be able to handle that. I really can't explain the kids, I can't see how anyone could walk away from their kids but I've seen it happen.

We don't know what his state of mind was on Feb 13th. [/*]

I see your point. I just happen to believe Christine for reasons I can't explain here. I truly believe she and her husband had a good marriage.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by mc528 [*]


dianaelaine - I sent it to you in a PM [/*]

Got it .. thank you.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by invreporter1105 [*]

I see your point. I just happen to believe Christine for reasons I can't explain here. I truly believe she and her husband had a good marriage. [/*]

I can respect that. They very well could have had a good marriage, they looked like a very happy family.

[n/t]

Originally posted by cteall [*]Not sure why that would be such a sensitive subject. Many of us have jobs and it is not just to get out of the house or kill time, it is because we need the income to support ourselves and/or our familes. I would think working would be a better option then my children not having a roof over their heads....but that is strictly my opinion. Also, what about state assistance at this point? I am sure Washington and/or Federal Gov't has programs to assist people with limited resources that are in dire need, especially when the breadwinner of the family is a documented Missing Person.

[/*]

Mortgage insurance was also mentioned last night. Maybe Christine should look at that to see if they had insurance and the clauses.

Who knows, maybe one of the clauses covers Missing Persons and she won't have to worry about her mortgage payments.

I think her panic about finances is premature. Get all the information available, she said she would consult with a financial adviser, go online and check out all the resources. I'm sure there are others who are in similar situations. Maybe consult with a lawyer too.