Discussion - March 12th.

n/t · #1 03-12-2008, 06:37 AM

Good Morning all,

Christine has answered some of the questions we've been asking.

*Some one asked about him having a camera on him. No he wouldn’t since I’m the photographer in the family not Nicholas.

*Nicholas would take the viaduct (hwy 99), cross the bridge over the duamish (sp?) river onto hwy 509 and either stay on 509 or get off on hwy 518. logically he would have gotten off 509 and onto hwy 518 because there is an exit to south center (tukwilla area) where the costco is. it would have been a wast of his time and gas to just stay on 509 to go to costco. he never ever took the freeway (I-5) home because it was far from where he worked and always backed up. if he had made it to costco he should have been home no later than 7ish.

*He did not have a passport that I am aware of.

I'm not from the area so I can't really comment on the second point, however, just wondering what he would take if he went right home and not Costco and/or if he went to Safeway instead.

Also, considering authorities believe he never got to Costco what other route would he have taken. Did he friends in the area? Family? Any other store that he may have decided to go to instead of Costco or Safeway to get the sugar?

http://thefranciscos.com/

I continue to hope for his safe return.

n/t · #2 03-12-2008, 06:51 AM

Also,

It is known that Nicholas has/had a great online presence, being involved with many boards. If you have chatted with Nicholas online please contact either myself, call 911 or contact the webmaster at findnicholasfrancisco.com. I don’t know all of whom he chatted with online so knowing the last time you chatted with him could be very helpful. If you chatted with him and you know where he is please contact someone listed above, you can do it anonymously if you choose. I need to find him no matter the outcome. (For those of you who think i think he ran off just based on my asking for info you can think again because i still don’t think he ran off.)

http://thefranciscos.com/

n/t · #3 03-12-2008, 06:53 AM

Flyer has been corrected to read approx. 6:10 pm.

http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/

n/t · #4 03-12-2008, 06:57 AM

Other Costco he could've gone to? Maybe to beat traffic, he decided going a different route would save him time and by that time traffic would've cleared up in the direction he was headed - home?

I know sometimes I take a different route (against traffic) eventhough I know it's further but would rather do it that way than sit in traffic.

Thoughts?

n/t · #5 03-12-2008, 07:04 AM

Christine, if you're reading this, can you clarify the storage unit sighting. It was apparently dismissed as a false sighting, however did authorities or anyone check it out anyway?

dianaelaine · #6 03-12-2008, 08:16 AM

Christine:

I would think that the condos might hold an answer, clue, tip or hint ... as to what happened to Nicholas.

Is there any way that you can find family, friends, etc. ... with permission from LE if it's needed, to go back and talk to everybody again?

Or can you bug LE to do it?

And also include the nearby apartments too, along with that neighborhood in general.

DON'T give up NOW!

n/t · #7 03-12-2008, 08:27 AM

This is the link Christine posted.

http://www.zappos.com/n/p/dp/30957996.html

#8 03-12-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]This is the link Christine posted.

http://www.zappos.com/n/p/dp/30957996.html [/*]

Thanks n/t

*he always carries his laptop with him in a gray sleeve and then puts that into his orange and gray messenger bag. similar to this but gray and orange, made by this maker though. http://www.zappos.com/n/p/dp/30957996.html

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Fits computers with dimensions not to exceed
Apple 12" and15" Aluminum PowerBook, Mac Book Pro; standard pc laptops with dimensions up to 14.2in x 10in x 1.80in

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This one is on craigslist (San Diego) but is brand new
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/603568992.html

#9 03-12-2008, 09:25 AM

Good Morning!

Just a quick hello. I will be away most of the day missing discussion. I hope it gets resolved while I am out!

I'll check back later tonight.

desmom · #10 03-12-2008, 09:31 AM

Is dumpster diving allowed in Seattle? Following the foul play scenario...Would the attacker try to hock NF's computer or cell phone or toss them to distant himself from anything associated with NF?

Did LE or the PI check pawn shops, computer repair/resale shops, 2nd hand stores and flea markets for NF's computer and cell phone?

Following the he walked scenario....Did NF ever talk about someday I would love to live in..........? What other fields besides advertising could NF use his education?

Has he recently been in contact with any old friends or did he speak of any new friends?

n/t · #11 03-12-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by field of snow [*]Good Morning!

Just a quick hello. I will be away most of the day missing discussion. I hope it gets resolved while I am out!

I'll check back later tonight. [/*]

Have a good day!

Sadly, doesn't sound like it'll be resolved anytime soon. It's like it was just put on the back burner. Anyway, that's the feeling I get.

n/t · #12 03-12-2008, 09:47 AM

If they've stopped looking, how the heck are they going to find him.

There are so many things that can still be done! More searches. Even searching the same places they did before.

Why isn't anyone doing anything? IIRC, the last time there was a search was 2 weeks ago. It'll be one month tomorrow since his disappearance.

huskiki · #13 03-12-2008, 09:48 AM

Good Morning Everyone

You did a great job gathering information this morning n/t, as you do every morning.

Hoping for Nicholas' safe return

Shelby1 · #14 03-12-2008, 09:57 AM

Good research, N/T.

I hope he is found soon. Hopefully one of his online friends will come forward with some information.

#15 03-12-2008, 10:34 AM

I read this with particular interest (thanks n/t for supplying this info): " I don’t know all of whom he chatted with online so knowing the last time you chatted with him could be very helpful. If you chatted with him and you know where he is please contact someone listed above, you can do it anonymously if you choose. I need to find him no matter the outcome. (For those of you who think i think he ran off just based on my asking for info you can think again because i still don’t think he ran off.)'

Christine begins by saying what a presence NF had online, with several message boards. Then she goes on to ask those who have spoken to him to come forth. Then she asks if they know where he is, to come forth, "anonymously if you choose".

Then she has the comment that she needs to find him no matter what the outcome, explaining that it is for those who think he ran off, although she doesn't think he did.

I think this: I think she HIGHLY suspects that this is exactly what he did. She knows something she is not sharing with anyone, IMO. The more she "speaks" the more apparent it becomes that she is on the defensive about something.

The church connection - the condo complex. All tied in somehow.

I asked someone from this site if they'd (police)checked his computer at home or at the office. Apparently, I guess, he must have used him laptop for home and work (unless someone knows something different?) and thus all that info is missing along with Nicholas and the computer. Christine mentions that he was on many boards, yet she claims to not know which ones. Did he tell her that he was on many boards?

Just random thoughts trying to come through to make sense of a senseless scenario.

invreporter1105 · #16 03-12-2008, 10:42 AM

Hi everyone. I am beginning to follow this case. I have read some of the details related to the disappearance of Nicholas. I understand that he always carried a laptop pc with him at all times. I have found one profile for Nicholas on a professional networking site.

I was curious if anyone knows of any other online sites that Nicholas may have had profiles on or that he may have used?

Thanks-
invreporter

#17 03-12-2008, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by invreporter1105 [*]

Hi everyone. I am beginning to follow this case. I have read some of the details related to the disappearance of Nicholas. I understand that he always carried a laptop pc with him at all times. I have found one profile for Nicholas on a professional networking site.

I was curious if anyone knows of any other online sites that Nicholas may have had profiles on or that he may have used?

Thanks-
invreporter [/*]

You can check the links thread. I believe there are some posted there

#18 03-12-2008, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dianaelaine [*]Christine:

I would think that the condos might hold an answer, clue, tip or hint ... as to what happened to Nicholas.

Is there any way that you can find family, friends, etc. ... with permission from LE if it's needed, to go back and talk to everybody again?

Or can you bug LE to do it?

And also include the nearby apartments too, along with that neighborhood in general.

DON'T give up NOW! [/*]

I also think recent condo sales in that complex should be considered. There was a sale on 2/15/08. It probably is not relevant but it might be worth considering IMO.

#19 03-12-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by EG~Lives [*]I just can't get past the feeling that he walked away.

And, I know this has be hashed to death in the beginning, but WHO GOES TO COSTCO FOR SUGAR??

[/*]

I sure wouldn't if that was the only thing I needed and it was late. It takes way to long to get thru there IMO

#20 03-12-2008, 11:03 AM

http://voxpopnetwork.com/westseattle...las-francisco/

I hadn't realized that there was such support offered by their former church, although - while reading the responses on the site, I noted some that expressed doubt and Christine jumped right down their throats. Anyway, sounds like the church did a lot to get financial support going for the family in Nic's absence.

Didn't Christine remove all links from the church on her site or something? Just curious and too lazy to do my own research this morning.

#21 03-12-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]Good Morning all,

Christine has answered some of the questions we've been asking.

*Some one asked about him having a camera on him. No he wouldn’t since I’m the photographer in the family not Nicholas.

*Nicholas would take the viaduct (hwy 99), cross the bridge over the duamish (sp?) river onto hwy 509 and either stay on 509 or get off on hwy 518. logically he would have gotten off 509 and onto hwy 518 because there is an exit to south center (tukwilla area) where the costco is. it would have been a wast of his time and gas to just stay on 509 to go to costco. he never ever took the freeway (I-5) home because it was far from where he worked and always backed up. if he had made it to costco he should have been home no later than 7ish.

[/*]

Hello everyone, I'm new here

How can CF know those things for sure?
IMO and realistically sepaking, she can't.
Even if she knew his routine, she isn't him therefore can't say with certainty that "he never ever took the freeway[...]"or wouldn't have done this or that, etc.

"No he wouldn't since I am the photographer in the family"
That statement sounds odd.
I've noticed that she always talks for/about him with such certainty that is quite peculiar.
The wording... just seems like she's the commanding bossy type, so much that she'd know everything about him, which again, is impossible.

I remember seeing pictures on his flickr account that looked like they were randomly taken in alleys, streets, etc.
Weren't those pictures taken by him? If yes, wouldn't that automatically suggest he could have very well carried a camera w/ him the day of his disappearance as well?
My point here is that it's possible he carried a camera w/him(at all times) or in his car that she just didn't know about... in case there'd be something interesting to photograph.

My guess is that NF simply left.
Whether CF knows something in regards to his disappearance or not, her actions(or the lack of there of) are highly unusual.
Who gives up hope and is ready to move on after only 3 weeks?
I don't understand that.

Let's keep hope alive and pray for his safe return

#22 03-12-2008, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by desmom [*]Is dumpster diving allowed in Seattle? Following the foul play scenario...Would the attacker try to hock NF's computer or cell phone or toss them to distant himself from anything associated with NF?

Did LE or the PI check pawn shops, computer repair/resale shops, 2nd hand stores and flea markets for NF's computer and cell phone?

Following the he walked scenario....Did NF ever talk about someday I would love to live in..........? What other fields besides advertising could NF use his education?

Has he recently been in contact with any old friends or did he speak of any new friends? [/*]

I have been thinking about how he might generate income without revealing his indentity. If he could do his work behind the monitor and not have to face his clients, it would be much easier. I could see him teaming up with someone else to sell graphics/fonts online or under contract. His "partner" would be the "face" person, when needed, and could provide the SSN for the billing/payment.

desmom · #23 03-12-2008, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EG~Lives [*]I just can't get past the feeling that he walked away.

And, I know this has be hashed to death in the beginning, but WHO GOES TO COSTCO FOR SUGAR??

[/*]

LOL! My thoughts exactly.

Christine has organic sugar scrubs on her site. I have never heard of sugar scrubs, but I am old.

I found a site with sugar scrub recipes and yep the do call for sugar in the recipe.

Costco probably sells organic sugar in bulk and also cheaper than the grocer.

jmo

#24 03-12-2008, 11:11 AM

The old saying "Nothing is for certain except death and taxes."

Like Christine, we all say things with a degree of certainty. I am glad to see her offer insight that may help with bringing Nicholas home. I don't expect her to be 110% certain before offering input.

I have seen alot of reference to Christine giving up. I am not certain how valid that assumption is. It is very likely that there are things Christine and LE know that we do not and need not.

desmom · #25 03-12-2008, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hubbard [*]

The old saying "Nothing is for certain except death and taxes."

Like Christine, we all say things with a degree of certainty. I am glad to see her offer insight that may help with bringing Nicholas home. I don't expect her to be 110% certain before offering input.

I have seen alot of reference to Christine giving up. I am not certain how valid that assumption is. It is very likely that there are things Christine and LE know that we do not and need not. [/*]

When I first started reading her comments re: posts here and WS I thought it was kind of odd. If LE does not have any leads to follow, what better place to check for possible scenarios than a crime board. We have discussed this case and scenarios inside out and backwards.

IMO there have been a lot of great questions posted that Christine could discuss with LE and maybe (keeping my fingers crossed) will lead to finding Nicholas.

ETA ~ Thanks Christine for answering our questions.

moo

#26 03-12-2008, 11:28 AM

http://agencyspy.wordpress.com/2008/...west/#comments

I just found this info, mentioning the layoffs and info on Nicholas, right after he came up missing, and then some other info that had me kind of chuckling (Under the Dark side of Publicis).

Still checking sites that Nic may have been on to see what I can find.

#27 03-12-2008, 11:40 AM

What brand was NF's cell phone?

#28 03-12-2008, 11:52 AM

I just wanted to than CF for providing information. I wake up every morning turn on the news with the hope that there will be something! Another day.. Prayers are with the family..

desmom · #29 03-12-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by cteall [*]Does anyone happen to have an e-mail address of any of the LE involved with the case? [/*]

The only email address I can find for King County Sheriff is a general email address. kcsheriff@metrokc.gov Several media reports have included John Urquhart's name as a spokesperson for the dept. I found a phone number 206-296-4155 and this is their home page http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/index.aspx

saydeezmom · #30 03-12-2008, 12:15 PM

I looked on that website (glitter graphics)and it is possible that it could be her. The thing that stuck out was the references to GOD. OR it could be him using that name and exploring other talents (graphics) Establish this because no one would think it would be him and he would still be able to do the things he loves. (graphics) A user could put any info they would like. (birthday, marital status, lives, etc) It doesn't necessarily have to be true. Also something interesting...

On that site there is a person called baby doll:
It says Hey wanna be friends..
the info for that person is from Italy and the postings look gothic type. i think this whole mess is computer/internett related. after reading her post about she didn't know everyone he chatted with makes me think she thinks this as well. all my opinion! sorry so long!

cteall posted this yesterday: (Italy reference)

"Also another TOTAL longshot I came up with from the Veromi.net website. I did a veromi.net search on the person that is listed as a possible roommate/ associate of Nicholas. Now that person has several people associated with her name. One of those people is connected with Campus Crusade for Christ in Italy. Didn't someone mention something about Italy before. That could explain leaving MH church, it could also explain "vanished with no trace", no need for car, and on and on and on. Longshot for sure, but we really don't have much to go on here. Did anyone ever get an answer on if we know where his passport it??"

n/t · #31 03-12-2008, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by saydeezmom [*]I looked on that website (glitter graphics)and it is possible that it could be her. The thing that stuck out was the references to GOD. OR it could be him using that name and exploring other talents (graphics) Establish this because no one would think it would be him and he would still be able to do the things he loves. (graphics) A user could put any info they would like. (birthday, marital status, lives, etc) It doesn't necessarily have to be true. Also something interesting...

On that site there is a person called baby doll:
It says Hey wanna be friends..
the info for that person is from Italy and the postings look gothic type. i think this whole mess is computer/internett related. after reading her post about she didn't know everyone he chatted with makes me think she thinks this as well. all my opinion! sorry so long!

cteall posted this yesterday: (Italy reference)

"Also another TOTAL longshot I came up with from the Veromi.net website. I did a veromi.net search on the person that is listed as a possible roommate/ associate of Nicholas. Now that person has several people associated with her name. One of those people is connected with Campus Crusade for Christ in Italy. Didn't someone mention something about Italy before. That could explain leaving MH church, it could also explain "vanished with no trace", no need for car, and on and on and on. Longshot for sure, but we really don't have much to go on here. Did anyone ever get an answer on if we know where his passport it??" [/*]

Christine posted Nicholas didn't have a passport as far as she knew.

I posted what she said on the first post.

need2no · #32 03-12-2008, 12:38 PM

ThruTheTrees
Member

quote:
Interesting to see the comments she's allowing to be posted too, like this one: "There is no reason to explain the Mars Hill departure - Mark Driscoll is a fruit loop, I only wonder about the people who choose to stay there. "

Seems like that is saying something right there, if she didn't censor it...

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TTT-Was this comment on her blog? If so, it is no longer there.

#33 03-12-2008, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by need2no [*]ThruTheTrees
Member

quote:
Interesting to see the comments she's allowing to be posted too, like this one: "There is no reason to explain the Mars Hill departure - Mark Driscoll is a fruit loop, I only wonder about the people who choose to stay there. "

Seems like that is saying something right there, if she didn't censor it...

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TTT-Was this comment on her blog? If so, it is no longer there. [/*]

I'm still seeing it. Second comment from the bottom: http://thefranciscos.com/2008/03/09/...ld-i/#comments

Oh, and good morning everyone!

#34 03-12-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by cteall [*]I thought the same thing, "fruit loop" is a very interesting choice of words to use. What does that mean anyway?? I have my guesses, but I kind of closed that path in my mind already. [/*]

I think it's similar to what the Web-Sleuthers called those of us on THIS board the other day -- "fruitcakes"!

saydeezmom · #35 03-12-2008, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by n/t [*]

Christine posted Nicholas didn't have a passport as far as she knew.

I posted what she said on the first post. [/*]

yes, but that doesn't mean the person from italy couldn't come here.

#36 03-12-2008, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by n/t [*]Good Morning all,

Christine has answered some of the questions we've been asking.

*Some one asked about him having a camera on him. No he wouldn’t since I’m the photographer in the family not Nicholas.

*Nicholas would take the viaduct (hwy 99), cross the bridge over the duamish (sp?) river onto hwy 509 and either stay on 509 or get off on hwy 518. logically he would have gotten off 509 and onto hwy 518 because there is an exit to south center (tukwilla area) where the costco is. it would have been a wast of his time and gas to just stay on 509 to go to costco. he never ever took the freeway (I-5) home because it was far from where he worked and always backed up. if he had made it to costco he should have been home no later than 7ish.

*He did not have a passport that I am aware of.

I'm not from the area so I can't really comment on the second point, however, just wondering what he would take if he went right home and not Costco and/or if he went to Safeway instead.

Also, considering authorities believe he never got to Costco what other route would he have taken. Did he friends in the area? Family? Any other store that he may have decided to go to instead of Costco or Safeway to get the sugar?

http://thefranciscos.com/

I continue to hope for his safe return.

[/*]

I live in the area and the route she described would be the most logical one from where he works to where they live. Even if he did stop at Safeway, since that was close to his work.

There is another Costco that he could have gone to just south of downtown Seattle, which I think would have been a better choice, but maybe he didn't shop at that one. But I think that if they checked whether his Costco card was used, it would have checked for all stores, not just the one she thought he was going to.

need2no · #37 03-12-2008, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees [*]

I'm still seeing it. Second comment from the bottom: http://thefranciscos.com/2008/03/09/...ld-i/#comments

Oh, and good morning everyone! [/*]

Good morning to you as well.

I was looking at the actual blog written by Christine, not the comments. Thank you for directing me to the correct place where this comment is located.

#38 03-12-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by YellowRose49 [*]I read this with particular interest (thanks n/t for supplying this info): " I don’t know all of whom he chatted with online so knowing the last time you chatted with him could be very helpful. If you chatted with him and you know where he is please contact someone listed above, you can do it anonymously if you choose. I need to find him no matter the outcome. (For those of you who think i think he ran off just based on my asking for info you can think again because i still don’t think he ran off.)'

Christine begins by saying what a presence NF had online, with several message boards. Then she goes on to ask those who have spoken to him to come forth. Then she asks if they know where he is, to come forth, "anonymously if you choose".

Then she has the comment that she needs to find him no matter what the outcome, explaining that it is for those who think he ran off, although she doesn't think he did.

I think this: I think she HIGHLY suspects that this is exactly what he did. She knows something she is not sharing with anyone, IMO. The more she "speaks" the more apparent it becomes that she is on the defensive about something.

The church connection - the condo complex. All tied in somehow.

I asked someone from this site if they'd (police)checked his computer at home or at the office. Apparently, I guess, he must have used him laptop for home and work (unless someone knows something different?) and thus all that info is missing along with Nicholas and the computer. Christine mentions that he was on many boards, yet she claims to not know which ones. Did he tell her that he was on many boards?

Just random thoughts trying to come through to make sense of a senseless scenario. [/*]

Good post and not random at all -- makes a lot of sense to me!

I also see by her reaching out to people he might have chatted with that she is starting to admit that she didn't know every facet of his life. More than that, it seems there is some hope that he could still be alive. The "I need to find him no matter the outcome" is sounding a lot more mature and realistic, that she is open to any possibility, even though she still says she doesn't think he ran off.

As to how she knew he was on many boards, she could have learned that right here since people have found his posts on several. Or, maybe he told her.

invreporter1105 · #39 03-12-2008, 01:07 PM

Hi. I checked the Links thread, but could not find any links other than ones pointing to information about NF's disappearance. Can someone post some links or PM me some links to sites NF may have been using prior to his disappearance?

I checked yahoo to see if there was a profile for him. A profile does exist under his name, but there was nothing specifying where the profile-owner lived or any other indications that could connect NF with the profile.

Thanks

#40 03-12-2008, 01:08 PM

[quote]Originally posted by cteall [*]This is strictly my opinion, I don't think bella02 is either Christine or Nicholas, but who could it be? They style of artwork does not appear to belong to NF and the style of writing and the context of what is written does not appear to be CF. There are some very eerie coincidences, and there is clearly a strong possibility that it is just that, a coincidence.

1. Is in the same profession as Nicholas
2. Her on line name is Bella02
3. On her name and location, she (or he, who knows?) makes references to God, yet has no problem whatsoever disclosing her date of birth.
4. Lists birthday as Valentine's Day, now it doesn't matter if that is truely her birthday or not, but I find it a huge coincidence one way or the other.

Am I way off base on this one? Does anyone else have any other thoughts on this? I bet if we look hard enough we may find bella03 and bella04.....lol.

Quote:

Originally posted by saydeezmom [*]I looked on that website (glitter graphics)and it is possible that it could be her. The thing that stuck out was the references to GOD. OR it could be him using that name and exploring other talents (graphics) Establish this because no one would think it would be him and he would still be able to do the things he loves. (graphics) A user could put any info they would like. (birthday, marital status, lives, etc) It doesn't necessarily have to be true. [/*]

This is an interesting connection. When I looked at the art, it didn't seem like it connected to either of them, but you never know. Also, wasn't the original link to this somehow connected to a "known associates" list on the veromi.net site?