Wednesday . . . 3-12-08 . . . a.m.

henry · #1 03-12-2008, 06:12 AM

god morning . . . sorry i'm getting such a late start & haven't read all of last nite's thread . . . okay, crap - i overslept!

thanks to all who posted articles/videos on the newest news: "WASHINGTON -- An Ohio Congressman says there are many unanswered questions in the case of a marine murdered at Camp Lejeune last year -- including why a suspected murderer's wife is now on active military duty.
http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn...3-11-0020.html

also . . . does anyone remember (or have working links) as to the rationale for blurring out xtina's face? looking for articles & comments other than the posters' expert analysis of this on this board

thanks

edit: hope to have the suggested question list ready to post today . . . as i mentioned previously there were tons of questions and to help captain rick sutherland "stay on topic" the ? have been organized, grouped, consolidated by: maria, cesar, xtina, laurean's house and other. also, fair warning - there were some cuts to the list to make it manageable for captain s . . . but if you feel very strongly about any omissions, just pm me - thanks!

martha · #2 03-12-2008, 06:49 AM

I have not been on here for over a week and I was just checking in to see if by chance thay had caught cl guess not. I am afraid they will never catch him I hope I am wrong. thanks Henry for all you do on this board.

marinewife5 · #3 03-12-2008, 07:56 AM

Good morning all. I left before the suing the govt. thing came up, but i thought this link may provide some insight into maria's family suing the mc....http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...Feres+Doctrine

Kel65 · #4 03-12-2008, 09:01 AM

Interesting to see who the JD news has referenced in an article yesterday regarding Congressman Turner. JMO but I always tended to think that she did in fact know Maria.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55...ch_turner.html

henry · #5 03-12-2008, 09:14 AM

good morning kel65 . . . i'm on the jd website now trying to figure out who you're talking about . . . but in reading a prior article . . . glad to see they're gender neutral . . . of all quotes to put in the paper

"This case has drawn more scrutiny and more attention from the media and the public, but this is what our guys and girls are trained for and prepared for," Sutherland said
http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_5...rs_mexico.html

edit . . . oh, now i see who you're talking about!!!!! wow!!!!!!

Kel65 · #6 03-12-2008, 09:17 AM

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55...ch_turner.html

Quote from JD News
"The Daily News has interviewed several people who knew Lauterbach and Laurean, including Jennifer Renna, with whom Lauterbach was staying off base in the spring of 2007.

Renna and others have said that Lauterbach did not know Laurean was married when they met and began to date in March. Lauterbach learned Laurean was married after the two were dating, but before she made the rape accusation in May, law enforcement officials confirmed."

crymeariver2006 · #7 03-12-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by Kel65 [*]Interesting to see who the JD news has referenced in an article yesterday regarding Congressman Turner. JMO but I always tended to think that she did in fact know Maria.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55...ch_turner.html [/*]

Oh ITA.

SavannahStar · #8 03-12-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

Oh ITA.

[/*]

There was never a doubt in my mind.

martha · #9 03-12-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

Poor Martha, you sound so depressed. Cheeri up, they will get him eventually. Not to worry my dear.

Thanks for he thread henry you are a good egg and no I will not link an egg pic this morning. You know most of the dang egg pics were copyrighted? Jeez. I had to sift through a boatload.

Busy day coming up so I won't be posting until later today. Please solve the case while I am gone today!!!!

AB [/*]

Thanks AB I guess you or right they will get him one day. so they were dating before the rape charge? I have a feeling there is a lot we don;t know about this case. No matter what it is I just wish ml and her baby did not have to die. death is so final. no going back

#10 03-12-2008, 09:32 AM

Gaelicpeas, you asked last night about next of kin being executor.....an executor is someone named in a will to settle the estate and there are some differences in the law and how it applies to them.....but anyhow...

This Ohio Bar publication states the court does prefer a relative to be an *administrator*, which is the term for the person who is settling an estate of someone who died without a will.
http://downloads.ohiobar.org/pub/jou...section_08.pdf

Because Maria's estate is being probated in Ohio, the administrator is required to live in Ohio by law....so Maria's mom or dad would be the best fit.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2109.21

moo

Hope that helps!

gaelicpeas · #11 03-12-2008, 09:34 AM

Thanks, Maka!

gaelicpeas · #12 03-12-2008, 09:35 AM

Thanks, mw5!

CANDYKISSES · #13 03-12-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by Kel65 [*]http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55...ch_turner.html

Quote from JD News
"The Daily News has interviewed several people who knew Lauterbach and Laurean, including Jennifer Renna, with whom Lauterbach was staying off base in the spring of 2007.

Renna and others have said that Lauterbach did not know Laurean was married when they met and began to date in March. Lauterbach learned Laurean was married after the two were dating, but before she made the rape accusation in May, law enforcement officials confirmed." [/*]

I found her to be credible and had a few other chats with her during the course of the past month. She knew what she was permitted to address in public and what she was not permitted to address. She had been advised by LE. I gave Lindell Kay some of the information and he said every last drop was confirmed by LE.

See, these will be the sticking points with the family. Remember Mary is on video addressing some of this and it's very contradictory and shows Mary was being told one story, but it wasn't the truth IMHO.

I believe Maria didn't want her family to know she had a relationship with Cesar and that may very well be a motive for allegations made IF she was feeling like she was pregnant but testing negative.

We just don't know.

JMO.

CANDYKISSES · #14 03-12-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by martha [*]Thanks AB I guess you or right they will get him one day. so they were dating before the rape charge? I have a feeling there is a lot we don;t know about this case. No matter what it is I just wish ml and her baby did not have to die. death is so final. no going back

[/*]

Absolutely Martha, there is just no reason on earth for two lives to be taken with one never even getting the opportunity to draw a breath.

I too believe there is much more we don't know and do so wish Cesar Laurean would turn himself in and start talking.

JMO.

CANDYKISSES · #15 03-12-2008, 09:45 AM

So it has been verified she had a will and it is being probated in Ohio?

I better go back and read yesterday's thread again. TIA.

Kel65 · #16 03-12-2008, 09:49 AM

I found info regarding her estate on the Mongtomery County Clerk of the Court site. Is it okay to post the link?

It indicates that she didn't have a will and that Mary is in charge of her estate.

CANDYKISSES · #17 03-12-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by Kel65 [*]I found info regarding her estate on the Mongtomery County Clerk of the Court site. Is it okay to post the link?

It indicates that she didn't have a will and that Mary is in charge of her estate. [/*]

It's a public record, correct Kel?

If so, then yes.

jmo

caejde · #18 03-12-2008, 09:51 AM

Good morning everyone. Have to catch up with last night's thread.

henry...if I am not mistaken-and I could be-it was said that Christina's face was blurred out because she is a cooperating witness and they dont' feel it necessary to publish her picture. But if anythign were to change, like she becomes a suspect, then her picture would not longer be blurred.

caejde · #19 03-12-2008, 09:53 AM

Yea I better read too. Most 20 year old's don't have wills. But I know a will is required for the Family Care Plan.

Kel65 · #20 03-12-2008, 09:54 AM

What I found regarding Maria's estate is public record. I clicked a button that said public records online to get to it.

http://www.mcohio.org/revize/montgom..._actionall.cfm

Hopefully, this link will take you to it.

#21 03-12-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]

So it has been verified she had a will and it is being probated in Ohio?

I better go back and read yesterday's thread again. TIA.

[/*]

OK

The style of the case says there's no will but the first docket entry states there is...then another entry says no will.

I'll e-mail the clerk and see what's up with that.

GentleBreeze · #22 03-12-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]Good morning everyone. Have to catch up with last night's thread.

henry...if I am not mistaken-and I could be-it was said that Christina's face was blurred out because she is a cooperating witness and they don't' feel it necessary to publish her picture. But if anything were to change, like she becomes a suspect, then her picture would not longer be blurred. [/*]

I still find it odd. I remember in the Scott Dyleski case his mother was a cooperating witness that had agreed to testify against him for the State and her pictures were out in the media everywhere.

imoo

CANDYKISSES · #23 03-12-2008, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kel65 [*]What I found regarding Maria's estate is public record. I clicked a button that said public records online to get to it.

http://www.mcohio.org/revize/montgom..._actionall.cfm

Hopefully, this link will take you to it. [/*]

I'm not getting it Kel, and it might be my connection today. IF I can't get it soon, I'll try going in thru the main directory.

Please check your PM's. TIA.

CANDYKISSES · #24 03-12-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

I still find it odd. I remember in the Scott Dyleski case his mother was a cooperating witness that had agreed to testify against him for the State and her pictures were out in the media everywhere.

imoo [/*]

When I asked Lindell Kay about JDN and their policy he was quick to tell me they were not told or asked not to put a picture out there.

He did say that they had a meeting and voted. They try to preserve the relationship they have with the military at CLJ and felt at this time to keep pics out was the best thing. He said if her status changes, that will be a whole different story.

JMO

Good morning GB.

GentleBreeze · #25 03-12-2008, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kel65 [*]http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55...ch_turner.html

Quote from JD News
"The Daily News has interviewed several people who knew Lauterbach and Laurean, including Jennifer Renna, with whom Lauterbach was staying off base in the spring of 2007.

Renna and others have said that Lauterbach did not know Laurean was married when they met and began to date in March. Lauterbach learned Laurean was married after the two were dating, but before she made the rape accusation in May, law enforcement officials confirmed." [/*]

I always felt that others would know much more about what was really going on between Maria and Cesar. I am glad that LE has confirmed it through several people they have now located.

imoo

GentleBreeze · #26 03-12-2008, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]

When I asked Lindell Kay about JDN and their policy he was quick to tell me they were not told or asked not to put a picture out there.

He did say that they had a meeting and voted. They try to preserve the relationship they have with the military at CLJ and felt at this time to keep pics out was the best thing. He said if her status changes, that will be a whole different story.

JMO

Good morning GB. [/*]

Good Morning Candy!

They must have the original photo and will only let the other new sites have the one that is blurred out.

It may also have something to do with her being an active duty Marine.

imoo

crymeariver2006 · #27 03-12-2008, 10:10 AM

They haven't shown Durham's picture either. And once the Lowe's video was corrected (Cesar unblurred & the other man blurred), Lowe's guy hasn't been shown again either.

crymeariver2006 · #28 03-12-2008, 10:14 AM

O/T but there was a blurb on Fox just now that there *might* have been an arrest in the CHill (Eve Carson) case. On News14, they said that some guy was brought in surrounded by massive numbers of CHPD (police were wearing bullet proof vests). They have not yet confirmed that this is indeed the suspect, stressing the word *might*.

CANDYKISSES · #29 03-12-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]They haven't shown Durham's picture either. And once the Lowe's video was corrected (Cesar unblurred & the other man blurred), Lowe's guy hasn't been shown again either. [/*]

I agree, never did see DD other than myspace.

I hope it's good news down there Cryme.

CANDYKISSES · #30 03-12-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by old_lady [*]

There are no other "witnesses" talking and I find that curious. Durham or the guy in Lowe's are not making any statements anywhere to my knowledge.
Only this one "witness" is talking anywhere.

jmoo [/*]

She is not a witness to anyone covering up a murder or to contact with Maria on December 14th. Maybe that has something to do with it.

I think she provided details more relevant to the early stages of a relationship IMO.

Lisa could speak out IIRC. She chose to be shadowed for personal reasons from what I remember.

JMO.

#31 03-12-2008, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

I always felt that others would know much more about what was really going on between Maria and Cesar. I am glad that LE has confirmed it through several people they have now located.

imoo [/*]

IIRC at the very beginning of this case, a friend of Maria's gave a statement that Maria told her she had a relationship with laurean, they had consensual sex. After a period of time she broke it off. I don't see anything new. Maria
never hid the fact that she had a relationship with laurean BEFORE HE RAPED HER. IMO.

GentleBreeze · #32 03-12-2008, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]O/T but there was a blurb on Fox just now that there *might* have been an arrest in the CHill (Eve Carson) case. On News14, they said that some guy was brought in surrounded by massive numbers of CHPD (police were wearing bullet proof vests). They have not yet confirmed that this is indeed the suspect, stressing the word *might*. [/*]

Sounds promising........

I sure hope it is him.

At least he will be off the streets however another is out there that will take his place.

I think we are going to see an escalation in these type of crimes, unfortunately.

imoo

crymeariver2006 · #33 03-12-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]

She is not a witness to anyone covering up a murder or to contact with Maria on December 14th. Maybe that has something to do with it.

I think she provided details more relevant to the early stages of a relationship IMO.

Lisa could speak out IIRC. She chose to be shadowed for personal reasons from what I remember.

JMO. [/*]

You've completely forgotten about Wanda!

(Also Richard Alander and Malo Menard). All of them have spoken out and weren't even blurred.

CANDYKISSES · #34 03-12-2008, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert [*]

IIRC at the very beginning of this case, a friend of Maria's gave a statement that Maria told her she had a relationship with laurean, they had consensual sex. After a period of time she broke it off. I don't see anything new. Maria
never hid the fact that she had a relationship with laurean BEFORE HE RAPED HER. IMO. [/*]

According to the video that Lynn put out last week, Mary stated emphatically she had no relationship and not even going out socially with the person she accused of raping her.

JMO.

CANDYKISSES · #35 03-12-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

You've completely forgotten about Wanda!

(Also Richard Alander and Malo Menard). All of them have spoken out and weren't even blurred. [/*]

Good grief Cryme, how could I forget them?

YES INDEED, they have information RELEVANT to the case IMHO.

caejde · #36 03-12-2008, 10:31 AM

Wanted to bring over something else that was posted last night. I know strick answered it but wanted to add my own 2 cents.

Every meeting that I ever went to in the Marines we were NEVER seated by ABC order. It was sit where you can. Even when we would have company and unit briefings in the base theater...it was sit where you can. At the Marine Corps ball you buy your own ticket and you choose where you sit. And you see who is already sitting where. (at least in my unit). As for any type of formations, the platoon sergeant is in front of the platoon, and then it goes in order based on rank. So Maria and Cesar would not have been next to each other in formation either. My opinion of course.

I also believe Lt. Col Hill did say they filed the DD553 to list Maria as a deserter. But even as a deserter, they don't come looking for you. It is just sent to law enforcement agencies letting them know.

I know there was something else but I forget now.

CANDYKISSES · #37 03-12-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by old_lady [*]

Only in the very beginning which is when most neighbors say something to the media from what I have seen on news reports. They are not continuing to speak out and are not on message boards that I have seen.

jmoo [/*]

IIRC Wanda was interviewed several times by Greta and her crew.

jmo

GentleBreeze · #38 03-12-2008, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]

She is not a witness to anyone covering up a murder or to contact with Maria on December 14th. Maybe that has something to do with it.

I think she provided details more relevant to the early stages of a relationship IMO.

Lisa could speak out IIRC. She chose to be shadowed for personal reasons from what I remember.

JMO. [/*]

I am sure Lisa has been interviewed by LE also. LE are very good at finding out who is being interviewed by what they say even if their faces are shadowed out and Lisa said their relationship began in December 06. So the police will go through each person to find out more and more information.

imoo

caejde · #39 03-12-2008, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by old_lady [*]

Only in the very beginning which is when most neighbors say something to the media from what I have seen on news reports. They are not continuing to speak out and are not on message boards that I have seen.

jmoo [/*]

I doubt Jennifer Renna is still speaking to the media. They are probably still using her initial interview that was done...same as Wanda and the others.

And we dont' know what Wanda and them are saying. They could be posting on the JD news site for all we know.

CANDYKISSES · #40 03-12-2008, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by caejde [*]Wanted to bring over something else that was posted last night. I know strick answered it but wanted to add my own 2 cents.

Every meeting that I ever went to in the Marines we were NEVER seated by ABC order. It was sit where you can. Even when we would have company and unit briefings in the base theater...it was sit where you can. At the Marine Corps ball you buy your own ticket and you choose where you sit. And you see who is already sitting where. (at least in my unit). As for any type of formations, the platoon sergeant is in front of the platoon, and then it goes in order based on rank. So Maria and Cesar would not have been next to each other in formation either. My opinion of course.

I also believe Lt. Col Hill did say they filed the DD553 to list Maria as a deserter. But even as a deserter, they don't come looking for you. It is just sent to law enforcement agencies letting them know.

I know there was something else but I forget now. [/*]

I tried to stay out of that, but my hubby was rolling his eyes on that one. He said anything like that used to be done in the boot camp process. I guess it's possible, but WOW, it sounds ludicrous IMO.

Time will tell.

I felt they were doing what they could at that time.

EVEN THO I AM AN ADVOCATE of any pregnant woman who takes off at a late stage in pregnancy getting an amber alert, I know it's not a popular position.

Many women living in abuse run when they can and it could be you run in late stages of pregnancy.

However, with the things that were coming out, I felt if there was a viable fetus and Maria wasn't thinking clearly, an Amber Alert might have helped. JMO tho.