Tuesday .. 3-11-08

henry · #1 03-11-2008, 05:16 AM

good morning . . . thinking that i might be jinxing the capture of cesar by putting a.m. on the thread every morning - so i thought i'd try something different & leave it off today. also, today is tuesday = fbi day = no change. (the 2nd link is to the charlotte fbi office)
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fug.../fugitives.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fo/cewanted.htm

also thought it worthwhile to repost nuttintodo's timeline re: question submission:

In regards to the questions being submitted to Capt. Sutherland, I'll be submitting them to him this Thursday, March 13th.

I will begin to compile all the questions on Wednesday, combine all double questions, etc. Before I actually submit them I will bring all the questions here so everyone will have the opportunity to make sure they are worded correctly and the questions are exactly what you would like for Sutherland to answer.

As a reminder: Please be aware he has stated that he may not be able to answer any or all of them but hopefully he can at least answer some of them.

I will then pm CW and ask her to lock the thread containing the questions.

jmo

sexxytazz · #2 03-11-2008, 06:58 AM

Morning henry!(and everyone else)

Thanks for all the extra work you are doing on the Q&A. Haven't posted much, but do read all of it.
If it hasn't been asked in some form yet, would you add "What was Cesar wearing the morning he left?" Uniform or civilian clothing? And "Did he take extra uniforms with him?".

crymeariver2006 · #3 03-11-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by sexxytazz [*]Morning henry!(and everyone else)

Thanks for all the extra work you are doing on the Q&A. Haven't posted much, but do read all of it.
If it hasn't been asked in some form yet, would you add "What was Cesar wearing the morning he left?" Uniform or civilian clothing? And "Did he take extra uniforms with him?". [/*]

Good question!

And was there an inventory of personal clothing items he may have taken with him?

Were all of his Marine issued ("marine outfits" hat tip Calla) accounted for?

henry · #4 03-11-2008, 07:55 AM

good morning . . . yes, i've recorded the above questions, but may i direct you to the questions thread so "we" don't miss any and have a "checks and balance" for the massive list! thanks

caejde · #5 03-11-2008, 08:37 AM

Good morning everyone! Have to catch up on last night's threads.

henry · #6 03-11-2008, 08:40 AM

crap . . . i can't find the direct link . . . but fox news on tv just now said they're having a poll or something . . . with the question being (paraphrased) . . . would you "stand by your man" . . . hah

do i dare ask the same question here?

here's the link to fox news home . . . if anybody can find the reference - thanks!
http://www.foxnews.com/

edit: some of the responses they've read on tv are a riot!

caejde · #7 03-11-2008, 08:54 AM

Wanted to bring a small topic over from last night. I know it was mentioned that maybe the discharge Maria was facing was due to bad eyesight. If her eyes were so bad, she never would have been allowed to join. Eyesight is something they check at MEPS--as well as a long list of stuff. If you wear contacts, you wear them but also have to take them out and put on your glasses.

henry · #8 03-11-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]Wanted to bring a small topic over from last night. I know it was mentioned that maybe the discharge Maria was facing was due to bad eyesight. If her eyes were so bad, she never would have been allowed to join. Eyesight is something they check at MEPS--as well as a long list of stuff. If you wear contacts, you wear them but also have to take them out and put on your glasses. [/*]

thanks caejde . . . but now i've got a question . . . iirc maria's mom said her eyesight has gotten worse, so my question is . . . if one's eyesight worsens while in the mc, would that be a factor for discharge?

#9 03-11-2008, 09:25 AM

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/16491036.html

"Two Months Since Laurean Disappeared"

Good to see a reminder...even if there aren't any details to report.

SavannahStar · #10 03-11-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by henry [*]crap . . . i can't find the direct link . . . but fox news on tv just now said they're having a poll or something . . . with the question being (paraphrased) . . . would you "stand by your man" . . . hah

do i dare ask the same question here?

here's the link to fox news home . . . if anybody can find the reference - thanks!
http://www.foxnews.com/

edit: some of the responses they've read on tv are a riot! [/*]

Isn't that related to Gov. Spitzer's wife? ......."stand by your man" relating to a sexual scandal/disgrace while in office?

caejde · #11 03-11-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by henry [*]

thanks caejde . . . but now i've got a question . . . iirc maria's mom said her eyesight has gotten worse, so my question is . . . if one's eyesight worsens while in the mc, would that be a factor for discharge? [/*]

I am not sure. I know I have really bad eyesight and I was still in. As well as my mother in law and my husband. I don't know how bad it would have to actually be. But she would have her yearly checkups. I think as long as it can be corrected to 20/20 you are ok. Also, military has the LASIK surgery that can be done as well.

henry · #12 03-11-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

Isn't that related to Gov. Spitzer's wife? ......."stand by your man" relating to a sexual scandal/disgrace while in office? [/*]

yes it is but i felt the question was also applicable here . . . note that i did not bring up the subject matter - you did.

edit . . . and i provided the link before someone asked me to, or reported me to c/w for not providing the link

SavannahStar · #13 03-11-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by henry [*]

yes it is but i felt the question was also applicable here. [/*]

Well......there's a huge difference between sexual scandal and murder, IMO. Do you actually feel anyone would "stand by" their husband who murdered someone?

henry · #14 03-11-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

So is your question would we stick by the man we've got or would we stick by a man such as Spitzer? [/*]

oh AB . . . you and your polls

. . . i was thinking, to keep it on topic, would you (assuming xtina's person) stick by cesar?

crymeariver2006 · #15 03-11-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

Well......there's a huge difference between sexual scandal and murder, IMO. Do you actually feel anyone would "stand by" their husband who murdered someone? [/*]

Allegedly murdered someone.

And we must remember that Spitzer hasn't been convicted of anything (yet). Allegations only.

sexxytazz · #16 03-11-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by henry [*]

oh AB . . . you and your polls

. . . i was thinking, to keep it on topic, would you (assuming xtina's person) stick by cesar? [/*]

No.

henry · #17 03-11-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

Well......there's a huge difference between sexual scandal and murder, IMO. Do you actually feel anyone would "stand by" their husband who murdered someone? [/*]

not to go off topic, but to answer your question & as i understand it, death row has lots of romances and true loves and the love of my life going on . . . jmo.

crymeariver2006 · #18 03-11-2008, 10:01 AM

Since we haven't heard whether or not Christina has filed for divorce.....I would have to say she's standing by her man.

That's what it looks like anyway.

I guess I should say "she appears to be standing by her man".

SavannahStar · #19 03-11-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]Since we haven't heard whether or not Christina has filed for divorce.....I would have to say she's standing by her man.

That's what it looks like anyway.

I guess I should say "she appears to be standing by her man". [/*]

I don't agree at all.

If she were filing for a divorce I'm not so sure we would hear about it. And if she is not/has not filed for divorce as yet, I don't read that as "standing by" a murderer. There are other circumstances, other things that need her more immediate attention. IMO.

Marcia3 · #20 03-11-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

I don't agree at all.

If she were filing for a divorce I'm not so sure we would hear about it. And if she is not/has not filed for divorce as yet, I don't read that as "standing by" a murderer. There are other circumstances, other things that need her more immediate attention. IMO. [/*]

ITA. It's not like filing for divorce at this point would really solve anything, IMO. What would be gained by CSL divorcing CAL while he's on the run?

If CSL is just an innocent bystander in all of this, she might be struggling just to put one foot in front of the other every day. I know I would find it hard to stay on track with this situation bearing down on me all of the time.

There's plenty of time to legally separate herself from CAL if that's what she wants to do. No need to rush, IMO.

Oh, and good morning to everyone! I've been reading but not posting much lately. Day 61...that's disheartening.

#21 03-11-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

Yes, krect. She appears to be standing by "her" man and I use the term loosely ("her") because apparenlty he could be "anybodys" man with a wink and a nod- IMO- [/*]

I thought you used the term "man" loosely......

GentleBreeze · #22 03-11-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

Well......there's a huge difference between sexual scandal and murder, IMO. Do you actually feel anyone would "stand by" their husband who murdered someone? [/*]

Heck no I wouldn't. I wouldn't stand by my man if he was Governor of NY either.

But I am not Christina Laurean or any other woman who has had a husband who has murdered.

I have read where women do stand by their man even knowing they have murdered. Sheesh some of them even cover up that the brute murdered or molested their own child.

So I sure don't find it impossible but I will never understand these kind of women but then we have women wanting to marry murderers that are in prison also.

Sometimes it is hard to figure out why some women do what they do.

imoo

crymeariver2006 · #23 03-11-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by Marcia3 [*]

ITA. It's not like filing for divorce at this point would really solve anything, IMO. What would be gained by CSL divorcing CAL while he's on the run?

If CSL is just an innocent bystander in all of this, she might be struggling just to put one foot in front of the other every day. I know I would find it hard to stay on track with this situation bearing down on me all of the time.

There's plenty of time to legally separate herself from CAL if that's what she wants to do. No need to rush, IMO.

Oh, and good morning to everyone! I've been reading but not posting much lately. Day 61...that's disheartening. [/*]

That's the same reasoning I give as to why Christina hasn't been charged with anything or cleared yet. What purpose does it serve right now?

And in NC, the separation clock started on 1/11. If he's not surfaced by that time next year, I believe the divorce is just a formality at that point (based on one year's separation).

Marcia3 · #24 03-11-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

She can't be compelled to testify against her husband, do you think that means anything to her? [/*]

Possibly, but I don't know for certain what her own involvement was in either the crime or the cover up. If she is innocent of any involvement, she may still want to be in the position of his wife should he ever be brought to trial. As you pointed out, as long as they are married, she cannot be compelled to testify against him.

That would be a version of "standing by your man."

I don't get it, and don't understand why anyone would choose to stand by someone in these circumstances, but clearly women and men choose that option...

GentleBreeze · #25 03-11-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by Marcia3 [*]

Possibly, but I don't know for certain what her own involvement was in either the crime or the cover up. If she is innocent of any involvement, she may still want to be in the position of his wife should he ever be brought to trial. As you pointed out, as long as they are married, she cannot be compelled to testify against him.

That would be a version of "standing by your man."

I don't get it, and don't understand why anyone would choose to stand by someone in these circumstances, but clearly women and men choose that option...

[/*]

It makes me wonder if she is going to remain a cooperating witness (for her benefit now) until he returns then at that time she will have her lawyer advise them she no longer will have anything to say.

imoo

CANDYKISSES · #26 03-11-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

She can't be compelled to testify against her husband, do you think that means anything to her? [/*]

I do think it means something as I still think they had a deal when he left town. JMO tho and nothing more.

CANDYKISSES · #27 03-11-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

It makes me wonder if she is going to remain a cooperating witness (for her benefit now) until he returns then at that time she will have her lawyer advise them she no longer will have anything to say.

imoo [/*]

This I could see.

Oh how I look forward to the day Cesar is returned to NC and the chaos that will then develop in the search for justice.

JMO.

Marcia3 · #28 03-11-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

That's the same reasoning I give as to why Christina hasn't been charged with anything or cleared yet. What purpose does it serve right now?

And in NC, the separation clock started on 1/11. If he's not surfaced by that time next year, I believe the divorce is just a formality at that point (based on one year's separation). [/*]

Agreed. And I didn't know that about NC...how long would he have to be gone before she could have him declared dead? Or would that never happen because it's assumed that he is in another country?

bkwits · #29 03-11-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

I don't agree at all.

If she were filing for a divorce I'm not so sure we would hear about it. And if she is not/has not filed for divorce as yet, I don't read that as "standing by" a murderer. There are other circumstances, other things that need her more immediate attention. IMO. [/*]

Mornin' all

ITA with you SS. She doesn't really need to deal with that now. IMO

Marcia3 · #30 03-11-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

It makes me wonder if she is going to remain a cooperating witness (for her benefit now) until he returns then at that time she will have her lawyer advise them she no longer will have anything to say.

imoo [/*]

Good question. I wonder the same thing.

Marcia3 · #31 03-11-2008, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]

This I could see.

Oh how I look forward to the day Cesar is returned to NC and the chaos that will then develop in the search for justice.

JMO.

[/*]

Me 2! Let's just hope it actually happens someday...

crymeariver2006 · #32 03-11-2008, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by Marcia3 [*]

Agreed. And I didn't know that about NC...how long would he have to be gone before she could have him declared dead? Or would that never happen because it's assumed that he is in another country? [/*]

I think it's 7 years with no sightings or information to lead anyone to believe he's still alive. No traceable financial transactions, nothing.

Wouldn't that be something?

crymeariver2006 · #33 03-11-2008, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]

I do think it means something as I still think they had a deal when he left town. JMO tho and nothing more.

[/*]

ITA with your JMO.

And wasn't she re-activated right after he left? What is the normal procedure for that? Could she have asked earlier for reactivation or was she reactivated - just in case?

You know, like making sure she couldn't follow him?

JMO and all that of course.

GentleBreeze · #34 03-11-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]

This I could see.

Oh how I look forward to the day Cesar is returned to NC and the chaos that will then develop in the search for justice.

JMO.

[/*]

Hi Candy!

I just think she is going to really wrestle with being the key witness that puts the father of her child away for the rest of his life.

It was her lawyer that came out to protect the property and evidence found (shoe) not CALs I saw that as a protection for Cesar. JMO tho.

imoo

CANDYKISSES · #35 03-11-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Marcia3 [*]

Me 2! Let's just hope it actually happens someday...

[/*]

I have to believe he will come back. Something just tells me there is more to this and getting them together is the key IMO.

Hope you're doing the baby countdown....

jmo

Marcia3 · #36 03-11-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

I think it's 7 years with no sightings or information to lead anyone to believe he's still alive. No traceable financial transactions, nothing.

Wouldn't that be something?

[/*]

Yes, it would be something allright!

Marcia3 · #37 03-11-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]

I have to believe he will come back. Something just tells me there is more to this and getting them together is the key IMO.

Hope you're doing the baby countdown....

jmo [/*]

I'm with you. If I thought he was truly gone for good, I would never read here or post again. I wanna be here when he gets dragged back to NC in shackles...

And yes...baby countdown is on! 7 weeks...so exciting!!!

CANDYKISSES · #38 03-11-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

ITA with your JMO.

And wasn't she re-activated right after he left? What is the normal procedure for that? Could she have asked earlier for reactivation or was she reactivated - just in case?

You know, like making sure she couldn't follow him?

JMO and all that of course. [/*]

Yes she was reactivated pretty darn quickly IMO and I don't have a source for the norm. However, that said, I would want the baby to have protection all the way around with being taken care of and medical benefits. I don't know when everything comes to a quick hault for someone in Cesar's shoes.

I still wonder if the plan by coding letters was to eventually hook up if the story was bought hook, line and sinker.

We have to remember they are young and I still maintain that it's been luck that shielded Cesar and nothing more, unless Cryme's theory were to be true. jmo

strick10 · #39 03-11-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

ITA with your JMO.

And wasn't she re-activated right after he left? What is the normal procedure for that? Could she have asked earlier for reactivation or was she reactivated - just in case?

You know, like making sure she couldn't follow him?

JMO and all that of course. [/*]

She was placed on an active duty status in Jan 08. She would have had to have a package in requesting that her status be changed from reserve to active. Since it takes time to process these packages she most likely had her request package in up to 6 months before and it just happened that her package was approved during Dec/Jan for her status change.

Kel65 · #40 03-11-2008, 11:18 AM

I don't think Cesar will be caught by LE actually looking for him. IMO it will happen if he slips up some how. Who knows how long that will take, if ever?