Discussion - March 9th.

n/t · #1 03-09-2008, 09:16 AM

Good Morning all,

Hope everyone remembered to change their clocks one hour ahead. It's currently 8:12 am in the East.

I noticed Christine made a change on her blog. Maybe it was done earlier but I just noticed it this morning. She clarified why she needed the sugar and why it had to be at Costco.

Hoping for some news today. I continue to hope Nicholas is safe and will be reunited with his children soon.

RainyNiteNTx · #2 03-09-2008, 09:24 AM

Morning n/t -

I just posted this long thread on 3 - 8 lol - remembered to set the clock but forgot about a new day.

RainyNiteNTx · #3 03-09-2008, 09:25 AM

bringing this over here...

Finally caught up....

I did not understand why people were manning the thread like you would a telethon. People would announce they were there to take over so whoever could go eat or take care of their baby.

I don't know how much money constitutes having to contact a financial advisor but I would assume it would be in the thousands.

I am very torn as to what I think. The picture she has on her blog of her little boy and the dog symbolizes everything pure and innocent in this world and keeps me in check most times.

However, Nicholas is missing without a trace and there are things that could be done that are not being done. Something as simple as putting his picture on her MySpace, and on her blog. Something as simple as submitting his picture to Texas Equusearch. I even supplied the link.

Judge Judy says "if it doesn't make sense, its a lie". But which part is a lie?

#4 03-09-2008, 09:33 AM

where's her blog?

n/t · #5 03-09-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]Morning n/t -

I just posted this long thread on 3 - 8 lol - remembered to set the clock but forgot about a new day. [/*]

Hi Rainy,

I read your post. There are many things that don't make sense in this case but then again there is so much we still don't know. All we can go on is the very little information LE has released and Christine's statements which is hearsay, in a way because we don't know if that is what really happened.

In other words, the phone call to his daughter, the cookie story, the dead cellphone story.

I'm not saying she's lying but I wish there were other witnesses to come forward to confirm them. Did Nicholas really tell his coworkers his cellphone was dead? Have we heard from any of them? Did he talk to someone before leaving about having to make cookies with his daughter?

Then of course, there are the coincidences. Resigning from the church 2 days before he goes missing, the dead cellphone, the car being found with no fingerprints. I'm sure there are more.

Somebody out there knows something. I wish they would come forward.

RainyNiteNTx · #6 03-09-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

where's her blog? [/*]

http://thefranciscos.com/

#7 03-09-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]

http://www.thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

Thanks. Looks like she merely embellished her lies with more details. She's a real piece of work.

She also says there is not a shred of evidence he's met foul play. Cops have some shred of evidence something is hinky with his disappearance or they would not call it "suspicious."

#8 03-09-2008, 09:53 AM

[quote]Originally posted by n/t

The more the wife talks, the more his co-workers will compare notes and realize things are not adding up.

n/t · #9 03-09-2008, 10:01 AM

Another thing that keeps bothering me is the fact that she knew immediately that it was foul play. Not that he was in a car accident, etc.

I wonder if Christine called anyone that night. Did she alert his family at 10:00 pm before calling the police? Did she call any of his friends, his coworkers?

#10 03-09-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

From what I could figure out, they felt like LE was in charge, and that Christine needed moral, emotional and spiritual support. They felt it was not a place to try and determine why his car was found where it was, etc. [/*]

I think the car is a major screw-up.

RainyNiteNTx · #11 03-09-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]Another thing that keeps bothering me is the fact that she knew immediately that it was foul play. Not that he was in a car accident, etc.

I wonder if Christine called anyone that night. Did she alert his family at 10:00 pm before calling the police? Did she call any of his friends, his coworkers? [/*]

I don't know - I've wondered that also. My first thought would have been a car accident also.

#12 03-09-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]Another thing that keeps bothering me is the fact that she knew immediately that it was foul play. Not that he was in a car accident, etc.

I wonder if Christine called anyone that night. Did she alert his family at 10:00 pm before calling the police? Did she call any of his friends, his coworkers? [/*]

Cops really aren't saying too much. They're letting her do most all the talking.

If she was involved then her "knowing it was foul play" is a reflection of her consciousness of guilt.

RainyNiteNTx · #13 03-09-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]Another thing that keeps bothering me is the fact that she knew immediately that it was foul play. Not that he was in a car accident, etc.

I wonder if Christine called anyone that night. Did she alert his family at 10:00 pm before calling the police? Did she call any of his friends, his coworkers? [/*]

Responding to this twice but you made me think of something I've been intending to ask. Does foul play automatically mean murder or does it also mean kidnapping, carjacking, assault, robbery, etc.?

#14 03-09-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

I don't know - I've wondered that also. My first thought would have been a car accident also. [/*]

a car accident or a car broken down and, guess what, no cell phone.

RainyNiteNTx · #15 03-09-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

a car accident or a car broken down and, guess what, no cell phone. [/*]

I've wondered and put it on here that perhaps his car did break down or was making a funny noise so he pulled over at a place on the way home to check it. Possibly a bad area?

#16 03-09-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

Responding to this twice but you made me think of something I've been intending to ask. Does foul play automatically mean murder or does it also mean kidnapping, carjacking, assault, robbery, etc.? [/*]

Foul play means any crime. Have LE used the term? I've just seen them use "suspicious" to describe his disappearance.

RainyNiteNTx · #17 03-09-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

Foul play means any crime. Have LE used the term? I've just seen them use "suspicious" to describe his disappearance. [/*]

Here is one article...
http://q13.trb.com/news/kcpq-021508-...,2078385.story

#18 03-09-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

I've wondered and put it on here that perhaps his car did break down or was making a funny noise so he pulled over at a place on the way home to check it. Possibly a bad area? [/*]

if so, the car magically fixed itself and made it's way to a condo parking lot where it was noticed by several people to be parked in various spots. No sign of foul play. No scent of Nicholas leading to or from the car was picked up by dogs.

n/t · #19 03-09-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

Responding to this twice but you made me think of something I've been intending to ask. Does foul play automatically mean murder or does it also mean kidnapping, carjacking, assault, robbery, etc.? [/*]

In my opinion, it could mean kidnapping, carjacking, etc. Not necessarily murder.

The reason I brought that up is because I watched the Greta interview again. She says foul play. And then in the Seattle Times article she mentions murdered.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html

RainyNiteNTx · #20 03-09-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

if so, the car magically fixed itself and made it's way to a condo parking lot where it was noticed by several people to be parked in various spots. No sign of foul play. No scent of Nicholas leading to or from the car was picked up by dogs. [/*]

True - then my suggestion of the car breaking down is stupid - I forget the car was found approximately 20 miles further down the road

RainyNiteNTx · #21 03-09-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]

In my opinion, it could mean kidnapping, carjacking, etc. Not necessarily murder.

The reason I brought that up is because I watched the Greta interview again. She says foul play. And then in the Seattle Times article she mentions murdered.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html [/*]

That why I asked - how did we leap from foul play to murder?

Danette44 · #22 03-09-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]

Hi Rainy,

I read your post. There are many things that don't make sense in this case but then again there is so much we still don't know. All we can go on is the very little information LE has released and Christine's statements which is hearsay, in a way because we don't know if that is what really happened.

In other words, the phone call to his daughter, the cookie story, the dead cellphone story.

I'm not saying she's lying but I wish there were other witnesses to come forward to confirm them. Did Nicholas really tell his coworkers his cellphone was dead? Have we heard from any of them? Did he talk to someone before leaving about having to make cookies with his daughter?

Then of course, there are the coincidences. Resigning from the church 2 days before he goes missing, the dead cellphone, the car being found with no fingerprints. I'm sure there are more.

Somebody out there knows something. I wish they would come forward. [/*]

Good Morning Everyone

If we lie over here, spreading gossip, why does she feel she has to defend herself everytime?? If everything she says is a "FACT", then why worry about what we say here. She needs to stay away from this forum so she not get hurt anymore than she already claims. I would feel to at ease if......

1.) Her home was searched from top to bottom ( just like the husbands would of been when a wife goes missing).

2.) If they gave her a polygraph ( which we don't know if it happen yet )

3.) Talk to neighbors ( I think he made it home that night )

4.) Check out their computers see what was said and done that day of the 13 of Feb.

After reading stories about peoples homes being broken into while they are sleeping and the police coming out there and not doing a thing makes me wonder how involved they really are on this case. She seems to me as being self center and it's all about her and her feelings, she has changed her story about her perfect little world. That could of been a BIG clue in the begining of this case as it always is in the husbands cases. She painted awhole different picture and now it's the opposit, you don't lie like that and then think the public should take pity on you. This is just my opinon and blast me if you like......My heart goes out to them kids and I pray that Nicholas is safe somewhere. JMOO

n/t · #23 03-09-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

if so, the car magically fixed itself and made it's way to a condo parking lot where it was noticed by several people to be parked in various spots. No sign of foul play. No scent of Nicholas leading to or from the car was picked up by dogs. [/*]

Yeah. The dogs not picking up any scent is worrisome. Maybe Nicholas never even got to his car "up the hill".

#24 03-09-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

Here is one article...
http://q13.trb.com/news/kcpq-021508-...,2078385.story [/*]

Thanks. Here's one where they say there is no sign of foul play but have classified the disappearance as "suspicious." That tells me that they believe there are holes in the wife's story.

http://www.komotv.com/news/15739362.html

Police here located a car Monday morning belonging to a missing Sea-Tac man whose disappearance had been classified as suspicious by sheriff's officials.

RainyNiteNTx · #25 03-09-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]

Yeah. The dogs not picking up any scent is worrisome. Maybe Nicholas never even got to his car "up the hill". [/*]

Then that would mean he was carjacked/kidnapped at his parking spot, but LE found no evidence of anything in his car. (like someone else being in there), right?

#26 03-09-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by n/t [*]

Yeah. The dogs not picking up any scent is worrisome. Maybe Nicholas never even got to his car "up the hill". [/*]

So how did somebody else get to the car, start it, drive it away, hide it for five days and then put it in a parking lot noticed by several people over a couple of days?

RainyNiteNTx · #27 03-09-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

So how did somebody else get to the car, start it, drive it away, hide it for five days and then put it in a parking lot noticed by several people over a couple of days? [/*]

He could have had a gun stuck in his ribs
forced to drive the car himself

#28 03-09-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

Then that would mean he was carjacked/kidnapped at his parking spot, but LE found no evidence of anything in his car. (like someone else being in there), right? [/*]

right. A friend of mine got carjacked after work in downtown Denver a few years ago. The guy wanted his new Beemer, not him and it was handed over without confrontation.

Nicholas had a '92 RED vehicle. Not exactly prime carjack goods. It was easily spotted by several people but where was it in the days prior to that? Somebody was hiding it and then planted it to be found in order to pull all the volunteer searchers into that area.

#29 03-09-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

He could have had a gun stuck in his ribs
forced to drive the car himself [/*]

What about Nicholas or the old car would someone want?

dianaelaine · #30 03-09-2008, 10:33 AM

Back to the case: Yeah ... it really surprised both me and hubby, that she would say she was going to give up after only 3 1/2 weeks. Also that she thought it was murder. Of course, it might be ... but still. Husband said he hopes I would never give up that soon!

He also said he would look for me for at least 3 years .. if not longer. Awww!

Lots more to say ... but hubby is here and we're gonna have some fun.

RainyNiteNTx · #31 03-09-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

What about Nicholas or the old car would someone want? [/*]

the laptop is the only thing I can think of and that was in some type of bag so I don't know if anyone would know a laptop was in it.

#32 03-09-2008, 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by Danette44 [*]

Good Morning Everyone

If we lie over here, spreading gossip, why does she feel she has to defend herself everytime?? If everything she says is a "FACT", then why worry about what we say here. She needs to stay away from this forum so she not get hurt anymore than she already claims. I would feel to at ease if......

1.) Her home was searched from top to bottom ( just like the husbands would of been when a wife goes missing).

2.) If they gave her a polygraph ( which we don't know if it happen yet )

3.) Talk to neighbors ( I think he made it home that night )

4.) Check out their computers see what was said and done that day of the 13 of Feb.

After reading stories about peoples homes being broken into while they are sleeping and the police coming out there and not doing a thing makes me wonder how involved they really are on this case. She seems to me as being self center and it's all about her and her feelings, she has changed her story about her perfect little world. That could of been a BIG clue in the begining of this case as it always is in the husbands cases. She painted awhole different picture and now it's the opposit, you don't lie like that and then think the public should take pity on you. This is just my opinon and blast me if you like......My heart goes out to them kids and I pray that Nicholas is safe somewhere. JMOO [/*]

Trust me, if she took a poly and passed, she'd sing it loud.
She either hasn't taken one or cops have problems with her story and she knows it. I think it's the latter.

Danette44 · #33 03-09-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

Trust me, if she took a poly and passed, she'd sing it loud.
She either hasn't taken one or cops have problems with her story and she knows it. I think it's the latter. [/*]

You're right - I met to post that at the end of my message - she is surly the type to put us straight and let people know that LE had the nerve to suspect her and make her take a polygraph!

#34 03-09-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

the laptop is the only thing I can think of and that was in some type of bag so I don't know if anyone would know a laptop was in it. [/*]

Few kill for laptops these days. I just don't see this young man walking to his old car after work AND getting carjacked AND kidnapped AND then hidden so well for a month that nobody can find him. That simply doesn't happen these days when we're seeing people shot and dumped in the middle of the street.

#35 03-09-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by Danette44 [*]

You're right - I met to post that at the end of my message - she is surly the type to put us straight and let people know that LE had the nerve to suspect her and make her take a polygraph! [/*]

I think polys of spouses should be mandatory in every missing person case.

isitme · #36 03-09-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by JustFacts [*]

I think polys of spouses should be mandatory in every missing person case. [/*]

Remember she was asked to meet with the detective, alone? Perhaps there was a polygraph given at that time. I don't think she would tell "us" that that was planned because she may have had her doubts about whether she would pass it or not. The LE won't tell her she failed it until they have more information to act on/arrest her. So perhaps at this point she thinks all went well.

#37 03-09-2008, 11:05 AM

I was thinking about the whole cell phoone being flat thing, and CF not being able to phone him on it, and may be phoneing his work.

My hubby contacts me a few times a day while I am at work, but he emails me and I respond when I can as he never knows if I am in an important meeting with a member of parliament and I would be cross if he phoned, or just sitting at my desk.

why would a couple who are so tech savvy use the phone anyways? why would they not email, he would look like he was working and she has contact?

Also, I still think NF has/had an internet buddy .......

#38 03-09-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by isitme [*]

Remember she was asked to meet with the detective, alone? Perhaps there was a polygraph given at that time. I don't think she would tell "us" that that was planned because she may have had her doubts about whether she would pass it or not. The LE won't tell her she failed it until they have more information to act on/arrest her. So perhaps at this point she thinks all went well. [/*]

Let's hope so. She needs to keep talking so they can find the holes in her story and pull it apart.

jmo

n/t · #39 03-09-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by isitme [*]

Remember she was asked to meet with the detective, alone? Perhaps there was a polygraph given at that time. I don't think she would tell "us" that that was planned because she may have had her doubts about whether she would pass it or not. The LE won't tell her she failed it until they have more information to act on/arrest her. So perhaps at this point she thinks all went well. [/*]

Usually authorities do say whether or not a spouse was given a polygraph, don't they?

n/t · #40 03-09-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by flyingfox [*]I was thinking about the whole cell phoone being flat thing, and CF not being able to phone him on it, and may be phoneing his work.

My hubby contacts me a few times a day while I am at work, but he emails me and I respond when I can as he never knows if I am in an important meeting with a member of parliament and I would be cross if he phoned, or just sitting at my desk.

why would a couple who are so tech savvy use the phone anyways? why would they not email, he would look like he was working and she has contact?

Also, I still think NF has/had an internet buddy ....... [/*]

Good point! IIRC, Christine said they spoke on the phone several times that day.