Discussion - March 8th.

[n/t]

Good Morning all,

I just finished reading the Seattle Times Article. Thanks Rainy for posting it.

Again, I'm dumbfounded by her choice of words. Maybe that's just the type of person she is. I don't know but she comes across, at least to me as rude and heartless.

I've never been in her situation so I don't know how I'd react but to say bloggers are gossiping about her and are acting like junior high school kids is just bizarre. The other is believing her husband was murdered. I have been following missing persons cases for a while now and families always have hope even when there is evidence of foul play. They never give up. And lastly is her obsession with money and finances. I understand it's not easy for her but to say "his disappearance hasn't made the world stop spinning"?? Just wow.

I continue to pray Nicholas is safe and reunited with his beautiful children. I haven't lost hope and I'm a total stranger.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Morning n/t and all
TTT posted the article - just wanted to give credit where credit is due

I have to say that this is probably the first time I've been disheartened about this case, and it was after reading the article about her and her comments. If the people closest to him have no hope and publicly announce it, then why will the world even take a moment to glance at his picture on a missing persons flyer? Why will anyone continue to search physically? I was very disappointed in that article.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]Morning n/t and all
TTT posted the article - just wanted to give credit where credit is due

I have to say that this is probably the first time I've been disheartened about this case, and it was after reading the article about her and her comments. If the people closest to him have no hope and publicly announce it, then why will the world even take a moment to glance at his picture on a missing persons flyer? Why will anyone continue to search physically? I was very disappointed in that article. [/*]

It makes one wonder, doesn't it. I don't understand how she could believe he was murdered when there is no evidence whatsoever of foul play. Then she goes on to say but she understands why authorities say he may have disappeared voluntarily.

Obviously, LE hasn't ruled out anything at this point so why is Christine believing the worst. I'd rather believe my husband and father of my children may have run off on me and maybe reunite with his children one day than to think he was dead.

Is it easier for her to accept the worst, maybe?

Very very bizarre.

[RainyNiteNTx]

If he is alive, anything is possible if he did leave. There is a lot of family support, friend support, counselors, psychologists, etc. to help. Personally I would have to hold fast to hope and my faith.

n/t - sent you a pm

[dianaelaine]

Good Morning Folks!

OK, after reading the latest article, here's some things that popped out at me:

1. Saying that SHE went on searches

2. Believing he was murdered

3. NOW saying they didn't have the perfect marriage ... just how bad WAS it really?

4. You can't sit in a corner your WHOLE life? What? It's only been 3 1/2 weeks!

5. Donations that have trickled in to help her will run out. The 'trickled' part makes it sound like she received barely nothing, and I believe she got quite a bit of donations.

GOSH, I guess I'd STILL be actively looking, putting his picture out there and everywhere ... every interenet site I could, etc.

If it were me, I'd seriously consider that my husband left me, or needed a break in life .. before murder.

Gosh ... I don't know WHAT to think now!

[AMS]

Good morning,

My 2 cents:

"After 3-1/2 weeks she has lost hope that her husband will come home." Wow! If someone in my family were missing, I would never lose hope. I don't understand it.

"...didn't have a perfect marriage but he wouldn't abandon the children." This struck me as stange. She didn't include herself.


IMO this is odd, but I am not in her situation. This makes me think that he did leave willingly. If I had a hunch my husband left willingly, maybe after 3-1/2 weeks I would lose hope that he would come back. If I had no clue as to how he disappeared, I'd never give up hope.

AMS

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Amaryllis [*]

Yep I noticed all those things too.......I do think he met with foul play.and I do think it was by someone he knew and trusted......Maybe not her ....but he knew them that's why everything is so neat and tidy........It set's my hinky meter up......And her saying after only three and a half weeks .......Life must go on? WTH is up with that.........and the police is already scaleing back.........If this was a woman they would still be looking and also looking at the husband/boyfriend.......Geez this is crazy.......MOO! [/*]

Amaryllis, If he works in Seattle, lives in Seatac and his car was found on Federal Way. One has to wonder why he would pass his home in Seatac and continue going down I-5 to Federal Way, 19 or so miles further down the road? Sounds to me like he did head home. W/out the sugar or so it seems. I'm getting suspicious now.

Look this is really out there but after reading that article it just popped into my head and I fully expect that I am going to be over it, but here goes anyways and it is MOO

I think that a man that both CF & NF knows is involved and something has happened to NF. Maybe it is foul play like she says, now she wants to move on with her life, ? with someone else? why else would you move on from the love of your life so quickly? And the about turn on their perfect relationship, absolutely turning her back on all the people who donated to her on etsy and elsewhere. Something just is so wrong here I want to

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Amaryllis [*]

Exactly.......That's what I'm saying.....Something is wrong with this picture......This cookie thing sounds made up to me........I really don't think he ever was going to get sugar or he forgot it.........Something is wrong......MOO! [/*]

Yes, the path for which Nick would have taken, leads me to think the answer to his disappearance has nothing to do w/Seattle, then you start adding other stuff in and go

[huskiki]

Good Morning Everyone

I just found the article in the Seattle Times, now I have to go read it. From the looks of the title I have a feeling it's a woe is Christine article but I could be wrong.

Ok, I am trying to get this married up with the new info

Nick left work
unlikely that he really did go get sugar (see point about car below MOO)
came home
???
reported missing
plea for help on etsy
plea from ??? for money
car is found in wrong direction, not on way home from work or costco
continued statements from CF that they had a ?perfect (can't remember the word she used) marriage
CF did not go out to searches or vigils
CF on many blogs/boards regarding NF and disputing any post that did not fit with their perfect family life
CF pregnant, just, when he left
No sign of foul play in the car or near his work premises
Left their church 2 days prior
may or may not have had financial problems, depends on who CF was talking to

Now CF changes story about their marriage and that donations are only trickling in and also she now wants to move on with her life as she can't sit in the corner forever

have I missed something here?

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by flyingfox


have I missed something here? [/*]

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/Seatac+WA/Federal+Way+WA/

[desmom]

Good Morning!

I read the news article http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ingman08m.html and watched the video http://www.king5.com/video/featured-...ml?nvid=225425 .

I am glad to see she is going to get some type of guidance on her financial situation. Hopefully she will be able to figure out how to handle their finances and keep the house. I would hate to see the children's lives have another major change.

I hope Christine considers some type of counseling for their children especially their daughter. IMO, she is old enough to understand a lot of what has happened. There are going to be some major changes in their little lives and a little professional guidance may help them with the changes.

It is also good to know Nicholas' employer is still sending his paychecks, but they will not be able to do that forever. Hopefully they will carry Christine and the kids on their medical insurance until after the baby is born.

A lot of people are not familiar with crime boards and how cases are taken apart piece by piece by posters. IMO, the gossip Christine speaks of is the scenarios and possibilities that many have considered while trying to piece this all together hoping to hit on something that will lead to finding Nicholas.

Before anyone jumps on some of the sensitive issues that were discussed, crime is not pleasant and and sometimes unpleasant possibilities have to be discussed.

People go missing every day. Some are victims of crime and others just decide to walk away. It is sad to see the pain that is inflicted on their family and friends when a loved one is missing...and the day to day no knowing what happened.

Unfortunately, financial obligations demand the family members return to the daily grind. Their missing loved ones always weighing on their minds and praying today will be the day.

I hope Nicholas is found so this family can have some closure to his disappearance and all their unanswered questions.

jmo

[huskiki]

Ok, I've read the article and the sentence that sticks out the most to me is this one:

"She believes Nicholas, her husband of seven years, was murdered, but she also understands why authorities say he may have disappeared voluntarily."

IMO JMO MOO I think she understands why he may have disappeard voluntarily because she knows he did. That's why she's moving on. Can you imagine if Beth Twitty gave up on Natalee after only 3 and 1/2 weeks. Even Scott Peterson kept up his charade for longer than 3 and 1/2 weeks.

And this artile also sounds like yet another attempt to get some sympathy money from the public. Pathetic if you ask me.

It was good to find out that Publics is still paying Nicholas' salary. So if she was still getting his salary why was she so desperate?

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[n/t]

desmom,

Can you explain to me why Christine would rather believe Nicholas was murdered than walked away?

Originally posted by huskiki [*]Ok, I've read the article and the sentence that sticks out the most to me is this one:

"She believes Nicholas, her husband of seven years, was murdered, but she also understands why authorities say he may have disappeared voluntarily."

IMO JMO MOO I think she understands why he may have disappeard voluntarily because she knows he did. That's why she's moving on. Can you imagine if Beth Twitty gave up on Natalee after only 3 and 1/2 weeks. Even Scott Peterson kept up his charade for longer than 3 and 1/2 weeks.

And this artile also sounds like yet another attempt to get some sympathy money from the public. Pathetic if you ask me.

It was good to find out that Publics is still paying Nicholas' salary. So if she was still getting his salary why was she so desperate?

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [/*]

exactly, what is not being said? there is a big piece of the puzzell being kept secret, and it is why 'they' are not looking anymore IMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t [*]desmom,

Can you explain to me why Christine would rather believe Nicholas was murdered than walked away? [/*]

I'm not Desmom but the only thing that comes to mind is that people will quit looking for him. We will quit discussing it and chalk it up to another tragedy and move on to another case.

For Nicholas wherever you are

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

I'm not Desmom but the only thing that comes to mind is that people will quit looking for him. We will quit discussing it and chalk it up to another tragedy and move on to another case.

For Nicholas wherever you are [/*]

That's a good point Rainy!

But that leads me to another question. If she believes her husband is dead then wouldn't she want someone to find his body? Why would you just say oh well, I must move on and leave your dead husbands body unaccounted for?

None of this adds up BUT my laundry does. I'll be back in a bit.

[n/t]

Have any of you followed any other missing person's case where fianances and money became priority over finding their loved one?

That's the impression I got from Christine. Like I said, I realize it must not be easy having to raise 2 children and another on the way but hey, people sacrifice and make do. I've been a single mom for 18 years and all I had was a measly $400.00 a month child support payment from my ex for 2 kids. They were 3 and 2 when I divorced. I also realize that there are other families in worse financial situations.

Christine has friends, family to support her. I guess I don't understand her "poor" me attitude. What about Nicholas? Your loving husband and father of your two children.

To go on to say, "his disappearance hasn't made the world stop spinning", doesn't sound like a loving wife who cares very much about her husband. Heck yeah. My world would stop spinning if one of my loved ones turned up missing!! I'd be devestated.


IMO!

[n/t]

Originally posted by Snowbird [*]

I don't see anything at all wrong with the article and nothing suspicious. The article was written by the newspaper REPORTER and NOT BY Christine. Most of the things you all are attacking her for was was written by a Newspaper REPORTER and she used her words, HER interpretation not necessarily CHRISTINE'S. If you really want to solve a crimes and not just gossip and tear people apart the first thing you MUST learn is Newspapers are notoriously wrong about the facts they report .

You can not make a person guilty by gossip, "a feeling", a "dream" . All it does is show what kind of person you are NOT the person you are gossiping about. [/*]

Statements quoted are Christine's words and not made up by the reporter.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Snowbird [*]

I don't see anything at all wrong with the article and nothing suspicious. The article was written by the newspaper REPORTER and NOT BY Christine. Most of the things you all are attacking her for was was written by a Newspaper REPORTER and she used her words, HER interpretation not necessarily CHRISTINE'S. If you really want to solve a crimes and not just gossip and tear people apart the first thing you MUST learn is Newspapers are notoriously wrong about the facts they report .

You can not make a person guilty by gossip, "a feeling", a "dream" . All it does is show what kind of person you are NOT the person you are gossiping about. [/*]

The REPORTER that wrote the article is using CHRISTINE's words. There's no plea for anyone to find her supposed dead husbands body. That's just wrong in my book. IMO JMO Some caring wife she is. But then again, she can understand why LE thinks he could have left voluntarily.

my world would stop spinning if my husband dissapeared, and it would not not start again for a long time.

I guess I just don't understand her thought processes. Money is nothing, family is everything. My family would not see me out on the street, so finances would not be at the top of my list above finding his body if I really thought he was dead.

But, that is just me and eveyone is different

Originally posted by Snowbird [*]

I don't see anything at all wrong with the article and nothing suspicious. The article was written by the newspaper REPORTER and NOT BY Christine. Most of the things you all are attacking her for was was written by a Newspaper REPORTER and she used her words, HER interpretation not necessarily CHRISTINE'S. If you really want to solve a crimes and not just gossip and tear people apart the first thing you MUST learn is Newspapers are notoriously wrong about the facts they report .

[/*]

I am going to choke on my Cornflakes and agree with you on that point. I've had a few feature articles written about me and every single one had the context messed with by misplacing of quotes and rewording of what I really said during the interviews.

[desmom]

Originally posted by n/t [*]desmom,

Can you explain to me why Christine would rather believe Nicholas was murdered than walked away? [/*]

Hmmm, if I had to guess....

Maybe it is easier for her to believe he was murdered than it is to believe he would leave her and the children.



jmo

[n/t]

Does anyone know if the coworker who was the last to have seen Nicholas was a male or female?

I don't think it has every been reported, may be that info will be on their main update site, the mailpen one?

[Sunday Moon]

Good morning!

I have been keeping up somewhat here but have been quite busy this past week and haven't really posted much. But now I am armed with a cup of coffee, the pets are relaxed, and the husband is out and about so I have some "me" time for a bit!!


I just read the article linked here and....whoa. I wavered back and forth this week on what I think could have happened. I first thought Nicholas disappeared voluntarily, then I thougt he couldn't stay away this long without contacting SOMEONE so I suspected foul play. I then thought about suicide as a possibility. I posted my thoughts on that the other day and did mention that even the most cheerful, together people suffer with severe depression and don't show it and can commit suicide. Then I went back to foul play. Now...I don't know what to think. That article was really bizarre. I am not saying Christine knows anything but her REACTIONS are what are strange. She might know as much as we all do but to give up after 3 1/2 weeks? To think he's been murdered? There is absolutely no evidence of murder. Why think that? There are people whose loved ones have been missing for YEARS and they still hold out hope that their loved ones will walk in the door again. I couldn't ever give up until I had concrete proof of the death of a loved one. I just....don't get it. Maybe she's in denial but if that were the case she would be in denial about MURDER, not mentioning that as the only possibility. I don't know what to think. I wish there was some clue, anything. I wish I didn't live in PA because I would do something if I were closer. I wish we would hear from his family again. I did see him mom once on FOX but I would love to hear from her and his sisters again to hear their thoughts. I am VERY curious about their relationship with Christine. When his mom called her "the wife" I got the impression that they weren't close.

[n/t]

Originally posted by snowfield [*]

I am going to choke on my Cornflakes and agree with you on that point. I've had a few feature articles written about me and every single one had the context messed with by misplacing of quotes and rewording of what I really said during the interviews. [/*]

Well, that would be grounds for a lawsuit. Unless the reporter or Seattle Times prints something to retract their statement or admit they were misquoting, I'll believe the article and whatever is quoted " is what Christine said in her own words.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Snowbird [*]

I don't see anything at all wrong with the article and nothing suspicious. The article was written by the newspaper REPORTER and NOT BY Christine. Most of the things you all are attacking her for was was written by a Newspaper REPORTER and she used her words, HER interpretation not necessarily CHRISTINE'S. If you really want to solve a crimes and not just gossip and tear people apart the first thing you MUST learn is Newspapers are notoriously wrong about the facts they report .

You can not make a person guilty by gossip, "a feeling", a "dream" . All it does is show what kind of person you are NOT the person you are gossiping about. [/*]

Snowbird, which part of the article do you think needs corrected?
Which part do you think is messed up?

1. Saying that SHE went on searches.....
do any of know that she didn't go on any searches at all? or maybe the reporter took the liberty of stating this without asking and just assuming.

2. Believing he was murdered......I think she truly believes that he may have wanted to leave her but would never leave his kids so she truly believes that something happened to him.

4. You can't sit in a corner your WHOLE life? What? It's only been 3 1/2 weeks!....

she has several choices.....she can go into a depression
she can realize that life is going to move on with or without her so she has to move with it especially because she has kids. I am sure she will still look in her own way but if she just languishes it doesn't do anyone any good and I have to agree with someone that posted yesterday. You can only look in so many places and if you can't come up with anymore then there is no where else to look.

[desmom]

LE often puts out "facts" with a twist hoping to trip up anyone that may be involved in an investigation. They also study news article and video interviews looking for any little slip up in the conversation.

IMO, Basically it comes down to the public deciding which facts are accurate and which facts are not or they can wait for the trial.

jmo

[Nellie]

This is the strangest missing person case I've followed.
That articled cleared up some questions in my mind.

1. She is still receiving his paycheck, so there was no change in their financial situation. So, the desperate pleas for money were just that....please for money....not a NEED caused by his dissappearance. So, it's just as I suspected....it was an opportunity.

2. She made up her mind he was murdered from the very get-go.
I have to wonder why. At first it was because she was his "world" and he'd never leave her. Now that has changed to "our marriage wasn't perfect" but he'd never leave his children. Well, in the beginning she also said he would never leave HER. I still think he took off, but going on the theory that he'd never leave his children, then I do sit here now wondering if she has made up her mind from the get-go that he was murdered.....because she KNOWS he was!

3. She has always seemed angry with him to me. And she still does. Now it's like "Well, he's dead and I have to go onl".

4. If I believed my husband was murdered, I certainly would not be understanding of the police not taking more action! I'd be on their butt to find my husband!!!!

5. She's been more concerned about money than Nicholas from the beginning, imo.

6. "Bills must be paid". Well, in my opinion, her financial status has not changed since he left. So, thanks to Nicholas and strangers that donated a trickling of money to her, her bills are being paid.

I think this article just confirmed for me what I already suspected about. I have always believed she never expected him to come home. Now I find myself asking why she believed that from the get-go. And now I find myself asking if he maybe did meet with foul play and Christine was involved. She just seems to be too accepting that he's gone and on top of that, too accepting that he'd been murdered and too ready to move on.
And she's made Nicholas just look like a "meal ticket". She just sounded so cold in that article, imo.

Originally posted by Snowbird [*]

.....

On this very board she was told to move on maybe she took your advise. Now you criticize for following your advise. I have been reading this board throughly for days and the majority said she can't set on the couch for ever she needs to move on. Give me a break, I have very GOOD reading comprehension skills and not a lot of problems with memory. [/*]

Hmm..I never said that. Maybe one or two did. I do agree that your reading comprehension skills are different than the rest of us.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Snowbird [*]

I guess I just don't get excited easily or go off about people over a newspaper article. Guess I'm kind of detached and found nothing in the article to cause all this criticism of Christine. If you read two different articles on the same subject there will be differences because of the AUTHOR. You have too know that if I do.

On this very board she was told to move on maybe she took your advise. Now you criticize for following your advise. I have been reading this board throughly for days and the majority said she can't set on the couch for ever she needs to move on. Give me a break, I have very GOOD reading comprehension skills and not a lot of problems with memory. [/*]

Ok, I have very GOOD reading comprehension too.
So, what part are we getting wrong Snowbird?
I can read that she has given up hope and life goes on and bills have to be paid and she believes he was murdered and her financial status did not change the day Nicholas went missing and we're all acting like Junior High kids.

Now, what part of that do you comprehend differently? I'd like to hear your translation of it.

[dianaelaine]

Yes, and her saying in the first interview SO early on ... that it was a 'wife's intuition that it was foul play ... is strange.

I haven't accused the reporter in this case of misquoting. I just shared my experience with quotes taken out of context. I agree that context or not, CF still said all that was quoted, including that she thinks he was murdered.

[Sunday Moon]

Originally posted by Snowbird [*]

She is not here to defend herself so it would be very one sided if you all had your way. I will continue to defend her until there are FACTS that she has done something wrong. When that happens then I will stop defending her against all this ridicules gossip.

At this time I see her as a young pregnant Mother of two, left alone too care for her children which is her "job". [/*]

And most people involved in the crimes that are discussed on a CRIME board are not here to tell their sides. Until they are and even IF they are, I choose to post my thoughts and beliefs and encourage others to continue doing so. You can post your thoughts without yelling at everyone. I am hardly going to censor my feelings on this case because I might hurt Christine's feelings. It's that pesky little First Amendment thing, you know?

Originally posted by Nellie [*]This is the strangest missing person case I've followed.
That articled cleared up some questions in my mind.
[/*]

Nellie.....I think you're in my head. Your post is the exact same thoughts I had after reading that article.

the 1st amendment of free speech really pertains to talking out against our government without the fear of persecution.

I am not sure why people take it to mean they are allowed to say anything to anyone and about anyone without any consequences. If this was the case then people would not be able to sue for slander.

[Sunday Moon]

Originally posted by decor [*]the 1st amendment of free speech really pertains to talking out against our government without the fear of persecution.

I am not sure why people take it to mean they are allowed to say anything to anyone and about anyone without any consequences. If this was the case then people would not be able to sue for slander. [/*]

This board is for open discussion. It almost sounds like you want people to censor their posts here. Sorry, censorship is a little creepy to me. I am posting my thoughts as are other people here. I am not posting anything as fact unless it IS a fact so I am hardly guilty of slander or libel.