Friday 3-7-08 a.m.

[henry]

good morning . . . thought a historical perspective might be appropriate for this morning . . . here it goes.

on saturday, 3-1 maka made the following post: " He's awesome for doing that. I wish we could have a Q&A with him ....organize our questions and e-mail a list so he can take a few days to sort out what he can and cannot answer. "

on sunday 3-2 i mentioned maka's post in my opening comments & a couple questions were posted.

on monday 3-3 i posted: "don't forget to throw out your questions to rsoutherland . . . or pm me with them. a poster (not me) will be submitting them to him this week.

as a haha . . . i'm going to suggest a code also be provided for yes/no/i don't know questions, like . . . yes = sorry, i can't answer that, etc."

editorial note: i preceeded the last statement with a "haha" = joke . also, if all of you will remember prior to this date, i made reference/summarized a quote from a very well respected poster - won't direct you back to the comments that were made - it's too embarrassing.

then, all heck broke loose after that & some posters were scared to post their questions . . . i will refrain from interjecting my personal opinion here.

respecting the IS board and its rules, we decided to carry the questions outside of the board . . . and the rest is history. if one did read c/w's quote on email communications, which i have posted in past week(s?) regarding ncmostwanted email, one would realize that i was not the "author" or "sender". it was also our intent to present an organized, well-thought out question list to rsutherland . . . and hopefully develop a trusting and open relationship . . . nothing covert, secret or underhanded.

IMO so many good, honest, dedicated posters get bashed here . . . so sad.

in closing, the above is JMO . . . and i may edit the above 'cause i can't read it for "sense" when it's all squished together.

edit: the q&a may be found here
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...hreadid=325989

edit edit: my apologies for misspelling rsutherland's name in prior posts.

edit edit edit: if anyone has any other questions, please feel free to post them.

[henry]

crap . . . i'm too late in editing the above

it should also be noted that the response to the questions was quite rapid . . . and, in deference and respect to those that did submit questions, the responses were sent to them. some posters wanted to reference the email . . . not having adequate time to decide how to do that, i decided to post the "for your info" to allow/open the door to get the info out.

as for timeliness . . . yes, we do have lives outside the message board . . . and hopefully others will respect that as well . . . the end.

[caejde]

Good morning! Thanks to you and nuttin for doing this.

[marinewife5]

Good morning...my laptop died so i'll be spending the day finding someone to fix it. Have we set a deadline date for more questions for rick?

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by marinewife5 [*]Good morning...my laptop died so i'll be spending the day finding someone to fix it. Have we set a deadline date for more questions for rick? [/*]

I don't know about the deadline date. But I've got at least one more question to ask.

Sorry about the laptop! PM me and if it's something I can help you with, I'll be glad to!

[henry]

how about putting up a poll for when the deadline should be . . . i guess my sarcastic side is getting the better of me this morning.

i know what your question crymeariver is . . . did they check the landfill for the rug?

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by henry [*] how about putting up a poll for when the deadline should be . . . i guess my sarcastic side is getting the better of me this morning.

i know what your question crymeariver is . . . did they check the landfill for the rug? [/*]

lol...i hope rick wasn't lurking last night...i would hate to scare him away from the board

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by marinewife5 [*]

lol...i hope rick wasn't lurking last night...i would hate to scare him away from the board [/*]

Yeah, I know. I wasn't wearing makeup!

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by henry [*] how about putting up a poll for when the deadline should be . . . i guess my sarcastic side is getting the better of me this morning.

i know what your question crymeariver is . . . did they check the landfill for the rug? [/*]

Okay, that's TWO questions I want to ask.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

Yeah, I know. I wasn't wearing makeup! [/*]

i didn't want to say anything, but...

i want to know if they are considering the possiblility that cl is still/back in the area or possibly dead.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by marinewife5 [*]

i didn't want to say anything, but...

i want to know if they are considering the possiblility that cl is still/back in the area or possibly dead. [/*]

I want to know if they are 100% convinced, beyond any doubt, that Cesar is still alive.

<puts lip gloss on desk in case Rick shows up to post>

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

I want to know if they are 100% convinced, beyond any doubt, that Cesar is still alive.

<puts lip gloss on desk in case Rick shows up to post>

[/*]

I also wonder who's blood was on the sole of that shoe, and if that was all a setup for gvs's show.

<sets freshly ironed white capri pants by computer in case i gotta "dress up">

[crymeariver2006]

I want to know if all the forensics testing results received to date point to Cesar, or continue to point to Cesar, as being the murderer?

What evidence to charge him with murder (as the investigation was only just begun) was presented to the grand jury?

Was the rush to the grand jury because he ran?

Can we trust anything coming from "a source close to the investigation" (i.e., throat cut post mortem, money transfers in Houston)?

Was the cousin in Mexico legit?

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

<sees those white capris and raises you a low cut blouse>

[/*]

i think the grand jury evidence was just enough to indict in case he was in mexico. but that is just my opinion

<i can't compete with a low cut blouse... >

and...laptop fixed...took a good whack and that seemed to do it

[crymeariver2006]

And ITA about the rush to the grand jury.

[bkwits]

Mornin' all. I hope I don't give you the bug I have by breathing on the laptop.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by bkwits [*]

Mornin' all. I hope I don't give you the bug I have by breathing on the laptop. [/*]

i hope youre feeling better...and i guess it was just a matter of time for the computer to get sick with what's been going around.

oohh...we should also ask about the photos shown to the bus station guy.

[henry]

Originally posted by bkwits [*]

Mornin' all. I hope I don't give you the bug I have by breathing on the laptop. [/*]

got my mask on my face and fingers . . . so i'm safe . . . hope you're up & about soon.

what i found interesting about rs's responses is that he did not give the "no comment" canned response. also look at the turnaround time . . . faster than i can locate my glasses! talking about glasses, hehe, look at #7 and compare it to #24 . . . wonder what items have not been recovered?

edit . . . thank goodness the questions were numbered!

edit edit . . . off to grocery store to fill up our new LG refridgerator . . . bblater

[bkwits]

Originally posted by marinewife5 [*]

i hope youre feeling better...and i guess it was just a matter of time for the computer to get sick with what's been going around.

oohh...we should also ask about the photos shown to the bus station guy. [/*]

Yes, I agree about the photos. I really don't think yellowjacket could remember that much. First he said no one was with her, and later he said he wasn't sure because that was a long time ago.

MY gson was so cute. I'm always pushing o.j. on him when he is sick. He asked me if I wanted o.j. and I said no. He talked me into drinking it. Vitamin C you know, he said. Sometimes the child does have to be the parent. He is a young 17.

[caejde]

Originally posted by bkwits [*]

Yes, I agree about the photos. I really don't think yellowjacket could remember that much. First he said no one was with her, and later he said he wasn't sure because that was a long time ago.

MY gson was so cute. I'm always pushing o.j. on him when he is sick. He asked me if I wanted o.j. and I said no. He talked me into drinking it. Vitamin C you know, he said. Sometimes the child does have to be the parent. He is a young 17. [/*]

Pedialyte is really good so you don't get dehydrated. Doesn't taste the best but I would mix it with a little juice. We all drank it here.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by caejde [*]

Pedialyte is really good so you don't get dehydrated. Doesn't taste the best but I would mix it with a little juice. We all drank it here. [/*]

Thanks Caejde, you are so thoughtful..

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by marinewife5 [*]

i hope youre feeling better...and i guess it was just a matter of time for the computer to get sick with what's been going around.

oohh...we should also ask about the photos shown to the bus station guy. [/*]

Didn't we hear early on that the bus station guy had seen Maria's picture on tv and called in?

Seems like I remember that's how they even knew about a bus ticket to El Paso.

.

QUESTIONS for Rick:

Did Maria and Cesar meet at the
bus station in seperate vehicles?

[caejde]

Originally posted by bkwits [*]

Thanks Caejde, you are so thoughtful.. [/*]

You're welcome! We had pedialyte when we had food poisoning which was right before the flu hit here.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

Didn't we hear early on that the bus station guy had seen Maria's picture on tv and called in?

Seems like I remember that's how they even knew about a bus ticket to El Paso.

[/*]

cryme. The article which had the interview of Roshaun Hames at wnct and the video of him is no longer available, but if you google the article title, you can access just the article but not the video. The title: Ticket Agent: Lauterbach Bought One-Way Ticket to El Paso. I recall the video camera above his head in the interview and always wondered if they had videotape of Maria being there or if that video was just a real time video that didn't record. JMO

From the article:

Hames says he thinks Maria was alone when she bought the ticket on Dec. 14th. He says she asked him if it would be OK for her to leave her car parked at the station, but drove away from the station that day.

“There’s nothing to it, really,” Hames said. “She came in, she bought the ticket, and she asked me if she could leave her car out there. That’s pretty much it.”

BTW ~ to nuttintodo and henry for organizing and sending the questions to Capt. Sutherland. ^5 to all the posters who submitted such GREAT questions. Hats off to Capt. Sutherland for taking the time to answer them.

[GentleBreeze]

Good Morning Everyone!

Last night was exciting, huh?

I think we need to give Captain Sutherland a little breathing room and at least make it a week or so before we ask further questions. That will give all of us ample time to think carefully what we really want to ask.

I think the questions where a "yes" or "no" may be good ones. That way he doesn't have to elaborate and divulge why it is yes or no. Just my opinion tho.

I am going to try to think of questions that would only pertain to him and his department. He is not going to answer for another agency or department I wouldn't think ..........like the DAs position or the agencies that are over the manhunt especially if it has not been reported before.

imo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny [*]

cryme. The article which had the interview of Roshaun Hames at wnct and the video of him is no longer available, but if you google the article title, you can access just the article but not the video. The title: Ticket Agent: Lauterbach Bought One-Way Ticket to El Paso. I recall the video camera above his head in the interview and always wondered if they had videotape of Maria being there or if that video was just a real time video that didn't record. JMO

From the article:

Hames says he thinks Maria was alone when she bought the ticket on Dec. 14th. He says she asked him if it would be OK for her to leave her car parked at the station, but drove away from the station that day.

“There’s nothing to it, really,” Hames said. “She came in, she bought the ticket, and she asked me if she could leave her car out there. That’s pretty much it.”

BTW ~ to nuttintodo and henry for organizing and sending the questions to Capt. Sutherland. ^5 to all the posters who submitted such GREAT questions. Hats off to Capt. Sutherland for taking the time to answer them. [/*]

Thanks Lynn! I guess my question needs to be "When did they find out about a bus ticket and from whom"? I don't think they had found the car or the ticket at the time they (LE) interviewed him, that's why I'm thinking he called them. And if they were only going by the "notes", what led them to that particular station? Surely the notes didn't say she bought a bus ticket to El Paso?

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]Good Morning Everyone!

Last night was exciting, huh?

I think we need to give Captain Sutherland a little breathing room and at least make it a week or so before we ask further questions. That will give all of us ample time to think carefully what we really want to ask.

I think the questions where a "yes" or "no" may be good ones. That way he doesn't have to elaborate and divulge why it is yes or no. Just my opinion tho.

I am going to try to think of questions that would only pertain to him and his department. He is not going to answer for another agency or department I wouldn't think ..........like the DAs position or the agencies that are over the manhunt especially if it has not been reported before.

imo [/*]

I totally agree, GB. Questions should be short and sweet, with "yes" or "no" being the answers expected.

One question I felt from the original list which was a bit "over the top" in its wording IMO was:

15) Why would Laurean write 'notes' to his wife when he had supposedly already told her his version of events on the way to Mark Raynor's office on 1/10/08? Do you feel this was an attempt for Laurean to distance his wife's involvement completely? Or is Laurean just a writing kind of guy? (Many posters feel that Mrs. Laurean was involved but feel her involvement was after the fact)

That one gave me a chuckle!

.
when Maria asked the station attendant if she could leave her
car parked there....I think she meant right at that time....
otherwise, why would she care what happened to the car
once she was on the bus?

if Cesar was in his own vehicle, waiting outside the station, and
she was planning to get into his vehicle but found he had left...
that would explain why she was "acting strange" and "showed
up at his house - plans had changed"....

just some random thoughts of mine....

Did Maria and Cesar meet at the bus
station in seperate vehicles?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

I totally agree, GB. Questions should be short and sweet, with "yes" or "no" being the answers expected.

One question I felt from the original list which was a bit "over the top" in its wording IMO was:

15) Why would Laurean write 'notes' to his wife when he had supposedly already told her his version of events on the way to Mark Raynor's office on 1/10/08? Do you feel this was an attempt for Laurean to distance his wife's involvement completely? Or is Laurean just a writing kind of guy? (Many posters feel that Mrs. Laurean was involved but feel her involvement was after the fact)

That one gave me a chuckle! [/*]

LOL I thought that was a very good question and IMO Captain Sutherland is very well aware that many are very interested in CSL and her involvement. I am sure he is asked these same questions constantly by his own community. He is not a stupid man and I think he has his own suspicions but knows until he finds solid probable cause he cannot arrest her on a gut feeling they may have.

I really thought all of the list was outstanding and thought provoking.

Hats off to Nuttin and Henry.

imoo

[bkwits]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

Thanks Lynn! I guess my question needs to be "When did they find out about a bus ticket and from whom"? I don't think they had found the car or the ticket at the time they (LE) interviewed him, that's why I'm thinking he called them. And if they were only going by the "notes", what led them to that particular station? Surely the notes didn't say she bought a bus ticket to El Paso? [/*]

Now, I'm not sure but I think when they found the car on Jan 7, and the bus ticket in the car. An investigator saw the car parked at the Checkers. IMo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by bkwits [*]

Now, I'm not sure but I think when they found the car on Jan 7, and the bus ticket in the car. An investigator saw the car parked at the Checkers. IMo [/*]

So you're thinking that they found the bus ticket and then contacted the yellow jacket guy?

Why am I thinking he called in when he saw Maria's picture on tv? I'm pretty sure I heard/read/saw that somewhere.

(And Rick says the car wasn't there the whole time from 12/14 to 1/7. I wonder where it was the whole time?)

[nuttintodo]

Also in Hames' interview with wnct.com, he was asked about Maria being able to move around and he told the reporter that she was moving very well to be pregnant (I'm paraphrasing).

My feeling about the camera above his head during the interview is probably one of those that records that day and then loops back and records the next day (not sure about this but maybe MW5 can go back and ask him). And MW5 if you would like someone to go with you, let me know and I'll be glad to go with you.

One thing I would like to add to the next round of questions---I was in the Triangle area this past Monday and we stopped at the Kangaroo/whatever name convenience store that is located next to the Microtel. You can clearly see the back parking area of the motel from the convenience store. While sitting there I noticed the store had surveillance cameras, wonder if LE asked to see the footage?

So that's why the thought popped into my mind, plus I watched 48 Hours on A&E last night in which a trucker shot in the cab of his truck and what was next door----a convenience store. The Memphis LE went inside the store and watched the surveillance tapes and developed their suspect from those recordings (they watched both the outside and inside recordings).

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

So you're thinking that they found the bus ticket and then contacted the yellow jacket guy?

Why am I thinking he called in when he saw Maria's picture on tv? I'm pretty sure I heard/read/saw that somewhere.

(And Rick says the car wasn't there the whole time from 12/14 to 1/7. I wonder where it was the whole time?) [/*]

See Cryme...you were right.......there should have been a rug BOLO put out immediately. I betcha that rug is long gone by now.

I think her car was at his residence where she drove it and it stayed there until he drove it back in a day or two to the parking lot after he murdered her.

I have often wondered if it was in the garage until then and when he took it back to the parking lot he then came back and put all sorts of stuff spread out in the garage to make it look like cars hadn't been parked in there.

imoo

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by bkwits [*]

Now, I'm not sure but I think when they found the car on Jan 7, and the bus ticket in the car. An investigator saw the car parked at the Checkers. IMo [/*]

Going back and listening to one of the PC's with Sheriff Brown, this is what he says about the bus ticket bought in Maria's name.

@10:40 in the video stream ... "don’t have the ticket and not redeemed"

Onslow County News Conference on Pregnant Marine (Jan. 13) (15:47)

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2296564/


The only information about possibly finding the ticket IN Maria's car was reported by Rusty Dornin on 1/15 and again on 1/16:

BROOKS: Rusty, again, the ticket -- the one-way ticket to El Paso, it wasn`t used, but was it recovered in her car or recovered anywhere?

DORNIN: It was -- I`m pretty sure it was recovered from her car.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../15/ng.01.html

GRACE: You know, it`s very interesting that that ticket, I believe Rusty Dornin told me last night, was recovered in her car. Right, Rusty?

DORNIN: From what I understand it was never used and it was recovered in her car.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../16/ng.01.html

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

LOL I thought that was a very good question and IMO Captain Sutherland is very well aware that many are very interested in CSL and her involvement. I am sure he is asked these same questions constantly by his own community. He is not a stupid man and I think he has his own suspicions but knows until he finds solid probable cause he cannot arrest her on a gut feeling they may have.

I really thought all of the list was outstanding and thought provoking.

Hats off to Nuttin and Henry.

imoo [/*]

Oh it's not just that the question was about CSL in a round-about way.....I guess I'm not explaining it correctly. Just that the question almost seemed to beg a "conversational" answer and some personal opinion from RS, which I don't think we can or should rightfully expect. As I said, your idea of "yes"/"no" type questions is a better idea, I think.

What I also found VERY interesting about his answers to the questions is that even they are interpreted differently by different posters, depending upon their point of view. That's not at all surprising, of course. But makes it all the more imperative that his answers were put up here verbatim.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

So you're thinking that they found the bus ticket and then contacted the yellow jacket guy?

Why am I thinking he called in when he saw Maria's picture on tv? I'm pretty sure I heard/read/saw that somewhere.

(And Rick says the car wasn't there the whole time from 12/14 to 1/7. I wonder where it was the whole time?) [/*]

Well, I said I wasn't sure so you could be absolutely right, although for some reason I keep thinking LE approached him (the ticket agent) first. IMO

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

See Cryme...you were right.......there should have been a rug BOLO put out immediately. I betcha that rug is long gone by now.

I think her car was at his residence where she drove it and it stayed there until he drove it back in a day or two to the parking lot after he murdered her.

I have often wondered if it was in the garage until then and when he took it back to the parking lot he then came back and put all sorts of stuff spread out in the garage to make it look like cars hadn't been parked in there.

imoo [/*]

But if it was at the residence for even one day after 12/14, then Christina should have noticed it?

(And that's my thinking on the stuff in the garage. It was a month later and they were "painting" so I can see where the furniture got moved back and forth between the rooms and the garage. My own storage building looks pretty pristine during the holidays 'cause all the decorations are out.)

Yeah, I thought it was pretty ??? how he mentions "crime scene" when answering questions about the rug. Either there's not one, never has been one, one was there but maybe someone tracked blood on it and it couldn't be cleaned and was disposed of around 12/14, or was there until 1/11 or thereabouts. I mean, the living room was never spoken of as being the "crime scene" except for SB or someone saying there was blood in the living room. Whose blood was it?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by SavannahStar [*]

Oh it's not just that the question was about CSL in a round-about way.....I guess I'm not explaining it correctly. Just that the question almost seemed to beg a "conversational" answer and some personal opinion from RS, which I don't think we can or should rightfully expect. As I said, your idea of "yes"/"no" type questions is a better idea, I think.

What I also found VERY interesting about his answers to the questions is that even they are interpreted differently by different posters, depending upon their point of view. That's not at all surprising, of course. But makes it all the more imperative that his answers were put up here verbatim. [/*]

I just found it unusual in this day and age that he would take the time to write those 'notes' after he's already allegedly told CSL his version of events of 12//14/07. I was being totally sarcastic when I said was CAL a writing kind of guy. And there have been several posters who have asked the same thing and was this an attempt on his part to further distance CSL from any involvement.

I knew Sutherland wasn't going to say anything out of the way about CSL since she's still a cooperating witness and I also know until there is probable cause, she won't be charged with anything. But I also think DA Hudson will have the last word on that.

But you have to admit there are a lot of posters here who feel CSL was involved some how, but mainly after the fact.

Please understand I wasn't trying to illicit Sutherland's personal opinion, I was totally curious that's all.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]

But if it was at the residence for even one day after 12/14, then Christina should have noticed it?

(And that's my thinking on the stuff in the garage. It was a month later and they were "painting" so I can see where the furniture got moved back and forth between the rooms and the garage. My own storage building looks pretty pristine during the holidays 'cause all the decorations are out.)

Yeah, I thought it was pretty ??? how he mentions "crime scene" when answering questions about the rug. Either there's not one, never has been one, one was there but maybe someone tracked blood on it and it couldn't be cleaned and was disposed of around 12/14, or was there until 1/11 or thereabouts. I mean, the living room was never spoken of as being the "crime scene" except for SB or someone saying there was blood in the living room. Whose blood was it? [/*]

I think he used the words "crime scene" not meaning the living room in particular but the entire house, as that is where the crime occurred.