Thursday - 03-06-08 a.m.

henry · #1 03-06-2008, 05:33 AM

good morning . . . well, let me tell you - it's really hard lately coming up with some topical articles/information these past couple days. the best i can do this morning, unfortunately, is to "spring forward" this saturday nite, and to continue my prayers for the lauterbach family.

sexxytazz · #2 03-06-2008, 06:02 AM

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Originally posted by henry [*]good morning . . . well, let me tell you - it's really hard lately coming up with some topical articles/information these past couple days. the best i can do this morning, unfortunately, is to "spring forward" this saturday nite, and to continue my prayers for the lauterbach family. [/*]

Morning. Prayers from here as well.

henry · #3 03-06-2008, 07:10 AM

sexxytazz - glad to see you back . . . have you been reading/keeping up with this case? any thoughts?

henry · #4 03-06-2008, 07:19 AM

ot - sorry - explosion in times square military recruiting station/building - hope everyone's safe.

sexxytazz · #5 03-06-2008, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by henry [*]

sexxytazz - glad to see you back . . . have you been reading/keeping up with this case? any thoughts?

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Between here and the other place, yeah....keeping up. No thoughts really henry, but I have read lots of great theories!

See everyone later, lots to do today. Great day everyone!!

caejde · #6 03-06-2008, 08:53 AM

Good morning everyone! Gotta read yesterday's posts.

AJandTam · #7 03-06-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by henry [*]good morning . . . well, let me tell you - it's really hard lately coming up with some topical articles/information these past couple days. the best i can do this morning, unfortunately, is to "spring forward" this saturday nite, and to continue my prayers for the lauterbach family. [/*]

Good Morning henry. I agree, seems like we've hashed and rehashed this story to death since we aren't getting any new information. While we wait, i'm taking a look at the missing father in Seattle's case.

The missing women from O'Hare airport called in last night. She's not missing anymore. Good news there at least.

AJandTam · #8 03-06-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by henry [*]ot - sorry - explosion in times square military recruiting station/building - hope everyone's safe.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335435,00.html

The building was empty thank goodness. This happened in the wee hours of the night.

henry · #9 03-06-2008, 09:01 AM

aj&tam - hope you've got a healthy home!

the one thing i can't figure out/seen any news info/reports on . . . is where the heck was maria's car until it was discovered in january

? maybe in cesar's garage?

AJandTam · #10 03-06-2008, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by henry [*]

aj&tam - hope you've got a healthy home!

the one thing i can't figure out/seen any news info/reports on . . . is where the heck was maria's car until it was discovered in january

? maybe in cesar's garage? [/*]

So far, so good henry thank you. I had a little fun w/lysol and bleach. Hopefully, I killed it all. Yucky yucky stuff. Now if we can just keep the temperatures from bouncing all over the place here. It's in the upper 70's on sunday, then back down to snowing on tues. Strange if you ask me.

I don't know w/all that junk they had in the garage if they could have parked the car there the whole time. Good question though, since it took so long for the LE to find the car.

bkwits · #11 03-06-2008, 09:43 AM

Mornin' all

I seem to have caught the bug that's been here on the board.

Hopefully, it will just be a bad cold.

caejde · #12 03-06-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by henry [*]

aj&tam - hope you've got a healthy home!

the one thing i can't figure out/seen any news info/reports on . . . is where the heck was maria's car until it was discovered in january

? maybe in cesar's garage? [/*]

There are misreports on her car. One report I read said it was at the bus station since she left it there and the other said that it was only there the week they found it. So, who knows.

I did want to answer your question on the 911 issue. I forgot to yesterday. I know it was answered but I wanted to add a little to it. When I was pregnant and lived in the barracks, I was having serious cramping. I went to the duty and all I wanted was to get to my NCO's room so I could go to the hospital-as I didn't have a car. He called 911-base MP's, base fire truck shows up and they hook me up to oxygen and start asking me questions. The doctor for my unit also so shows up. But since there were no base ambulances available, a civilian ambulance showed up to take me to the hospital. And because I was pregnant and in that much pain, they sent me to a civilian hospital because it was much closer.

caejde · #13 03-06-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by bkwits [*]Mornin' all

I seem to have caught the bug that's been here on the board.

Hopefully, it will just be a bad cold. [/*]

It's yucky stuff! Thankfully, me or the kids didn't get it. Just my husband but we all had to be treated since we didn't get flu shots. But even those with the flu shots are getting this particular strand going around. Feel better!

bkwits · #14 03-06-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

It's yucky stuff! Thankfully, me or the kids didn't get it. Just my husband but we all had to be treated since we didn't get flu shots. But even those with the flu shots are getting this particular strand going around. Feel better! [/*]

Thanks, I had the flu shot so maybe it won't be so bad.

caejde · #15 03-06-2008, 10:16 AM

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Couple of Q's if you dont mind tia

How long is Boot Camp?

Do you go straight to Camp when joining?

Are there guidelines that CO's go by to promote/evaluate? Was just trying to get some idea of how often Promotions and/or Reviews might be. I am sure there are many variables to consider and certianly understand if You decline moo

Wanted to bring a post over from dave sargent. I just wanted to add a little more. I know nelkirk answered a good bit but just wanted to provide some more.

Bootcamp is 13 weeks long. However, if you do not pass the initial strength test after arriving, you can be sent to a holding platoon. And there, you are working out pretty much throughout the day to build yourself up. After certain amount of time, you are then trying to pass the initial strength test again. If you pass, you are then put with the next cycle. But, sometimes even if you do fail, the drill instructors will decide to keep you instead of sending you to the holding platoon. Also, anytime that you get injured, you can be sent to a holding platoon. And you have to get picked up by the next cycle. This doesn't go for all injuries though.

You do not have to go straight to bootcamp upon joining. You can be put in DEP-Delayed Entry Program-until you are ready. For instance, I enlisted in August 1999 but I didn't go to bootcamp until January 2000. I had a couple of reasons. One, I wasn't doing too well on my running and couldn't pass the initial strength test and I didnt' want to be away from my family on the holidays. But there are others who enlist and go straight to bootcamp.

And there are guidelines for promotions. When you come out of bootcamp you are a Private (E-1). Some can come out of bootcamp as a Private First Class (E-2) based on a few things. If you were an Eagle Scout that gives you that promotion, if you were ever in another branch of service, several things. But if you are E-1 coming out of bootcamp, you will usually pick up E-2 withing 6 months. They look at Time in Grade, Time in Service as well as your SRB for E-1 through E-3. When it's time to pick up E-4, you have to meet the cutting score and this is based on PT, rifle, completed MCI's, etc...And then it goes that way for E-5 as well. Also, you can go on meritorious boards for E-2 through E-5. I went up for a meritorious Lance Corporal (E-3) board. This is at company level, if you win you go to unit level. There's several things involved. If you win the unit level board, then you are meritoriously promoted.

Sorry for such a long post, just wanted to add a little more info.

AJandTam · #16 03-06-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by bkwits [*]Mornin' all

I seem to have caught the bug that's been here on the board.

Hopefully, it will just be a bad cold. [/*]

Oh no, I hope it wasn't cause of me, I tried to keep my germies away.

Feel better soon Bk.

bkwits · #17 03-06-2008, 10:35 AM

Thanks all,

I hope and pray I'll be better by Easter. My kids and grandkids are coming in from CA.

caejde · #18 03-06-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]Is it basicly the same in all branches? My sons in the army, is it sort of the same when he comes out of boot camp? [/*]

I don't know about Army. I know their bootcamp is much shorter than 13 weeks. And I know their schools are different and such. As for promotions, I dont' know. I know their E-4 is different than the Marine Corps E-4. In the Marines, E-4 is considered an NCO but not in the Army. But I would imagine they look at Time in Grade/Time in Service.

bkwits · #19 03-06-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

ask doc about Tamiflu. [/*]

Thanks for all wishes and tips.

caejde · #20 03-06-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

ask doc about Tamiflu. [/*]

Yes, that's what we all were on. Me and the kids took ours for 10 days...but it was so we wouldn't get it. But afterwards, we all got runny noses and coughs. So did my husband.

bkwits · #21 03-06-2008, 10:50 AM

Sheriff Ed said there was contact between Maria and Cesar on 12/14 before she was at Laureans' house. I don't know what he meant, but I would guess a phone call. Does anyone else remember this?

caejde · #22 03-06-2008, 10:50 AM

Ok, just thought I should add about the SOI stuff that nelkirk posted about.

SOI which is School of Infantry. If you are a guy and your MOS is a grunt then SOI is your MOS school and I think it's a couple months long...not quite sure on the time. However, if you are a guy or girl and your MOS is not infantry-which it can't be for girls anyway-then you go to MCT which is Marine Combat Training. And it's only a couple weeks long. Still part of SOI but it's not SOI--if that makes any sense. You learn basic infantry stuff at MCT. At the end of MCT, you find out what your MOS is and after graduation, you are then sent to your MOS school. Depending on MOS, you can be at school for a couple weeks to a couple months to several months and for some up to a year.

Also, after graduating from bootcamp, you have 10 days leave before you report to MCT/SOI. After MCT/SOI and MOS school, you get orders to your duty station. And you are given a certain amount of leave days. While I was on leave after that, my recruiter got me on recruiter's assistance. So basically I was working at the recruiter's office and I got that for 30 days and then I reported to my duty station.

caejde · #23 03-06-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

My sons bootcamp is Januray to April 26. He left beginning of Jan- something like the 7th. Hes so proud just to be a private!!!!
Hes qualified in his sniper and got an award of some kind and some other thing- oh grenade throwing- he got an award for that too. Hes all about the guns. I got his army boot camp pic- so proud. Am I allowed to show it here? [/*]

So is he going infantry? Is he done with bootcamp? Army bootcamp is 10 weeks.

My husband is really into guns to...he was infantry in the Marines. And then he went to school for gunsmithing.

bkwits · #24 03-06-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]Ok, just thought I should add about the SOI stuff that nelkirk posted about.

SOI which is School of Infantry. If you are a guy and your MOS is a grunt then SOI is your MOS school and I think it's a couple months long...not quite sure on the time. However, if you are a guy or girl and your MOS is not infantry-which it can't be for girls anyway-then you go to MCT which is Marine Combat Training. And it's only a couple weeks long. Still part of SOI but it's not SOI--if that makes any sense. You learn basic infantry stuff at MCT. At the end of MCT, you find out what your MOS is and after graduation, you are then sent to your MOS school. Depending on MOS, you can be at school for a couple weeks to a couple months to several months and for some up to a year.

Also, after graduating from bootcamp, you have 10 days leave before you report to MCT/SOI. After MCT/SOI and MOS school, you get orders to your duty station. And you are given a certain amount of leave days. While I was on leave after that, my recruiter got me on recruiter's assistance. So basically I was working at the recruiter's office and I got that for 30 days and then I reported to my duty station. [/*]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a grunt? I keep seeing that on the Leatherneck forum.

caejde · #25 03-06-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by bkwits [*]Sheriff Ed said there was contact between Maria and Cesar on 12/14 before she was at Laureans' house. I don't know what he meant, but I would guess a phone call. Does anyone else remember this? [/*]

Vaguely. And if it was a phone call, I wonder who called who?

caejde · #26 03-06-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by bkwits [*]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a grunt? I keep seeing that on the Leatherneck forum. [/*]

Oops, sorry. A grunt is someone with an infantry MOS.

caejde · #27 03-06-2008, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

Yes he is infantry.

His boot camp was over a few weeks ago I think, then he does specialized training which is what he is doing now. Hes thriving and loves it to death. I'm freaking cos I dfon't want him anywhere near Iraq, of course.

My hubby is into the guns obsessively, my son is into them too but am sure once he comes home they will have ALOT more "gun talk" between them. [/*]

Sounds like my hubby. He joined and asked to be infantry. And he was with a mortar platoon in Iraq and I told you about his experience. He'll be ok.

henry · #28 03-06-2008, 11:11 AM

thanks caedje for all your answers/explanations . . . my word document/reference is filling up fast with your posts!

a more specific ? on 911 . . . what would happen if a person on a military base used their personal cell phone & dialed 911? would the 911 operator notify the base military police once they realized that individual was on base? tia

caejde · #29 03-06-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by henry [*]

thanks caedje for all your answers/explanations . . . my word document/reference is filling up fast with your posts!

a more specific ? on 911 . . . what would happen if a person on a military base used their personal cell phone & dialed 911? would the 911 operator notify the base military police once they realized that individual was on base? tia [/*]

Hmm, good question. And I don't know. I would think they would transfer the call to the base but I could be wrong.

caejde · #30 03-06-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by AnnieBean [*]

More importantly, what number was Maria calling from or being called to? Because if it was her cell, then we know SHE didn't accidently lose it, it was tossed after the fact. JMO> [/*]

Another very good question. And was it before or after she called her mom at the 2:30 pm call.

crymeariver2006 · #31 03-06-2008, 11:18 AM

We don't know for a fact that the last call made on Maria's cell phone was the 12/14 2:30 p.m. call to her mother.

I also don't think we know for a fact HOW the phone ended up where it did or when it ended up there.

caejde · #32 03-06-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by crymeariver2006 [*]We don't know for a fact that the last call made on Maria's cell phone was the 12/14 2:30 p.m. call to her mother.

I also don't think we know for a fact HOW the phone ended up where it did or when it ended up there.

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No, you're right we don't know that the 2:30 call was the last call Maria made. She could have made more than that. And we dont' know how the phone got where it did. We were just talking about if contact was made */t her and Laurean who initiated. And if her phone was already on the side of the road-which it could have been-how did he call her or how did she call him.

bkwits · #33 03-06-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

Vaguely. And if it was a phone call, I wonder who called who? [/*]

IIRC Sheriff Brown said that Maria initiated contact.

He also said in an earlier pc that Maria and Cesar had an ongoing relationship which started on 12/14 (that was before they determined that she died on that day).

Where is Lynn Gweeny when I need her?

IMO

bkwits · #34 03-06-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

No, you're right we don't know that the 2:30 call was the last call Maria made. She could have made more than that. And we dont' know how the phone got where it did. We were just talking about if contact was made */t her and Laurean who initiated. And if her phone was already on the side of the road-which it could have been-how did he call her or how did she call him. [/*]

I have stated before that I absolutely think that the cell phone was discarded after maria's death.
But the call could have been made prior to Maria's convo with her mom. JMO

caejde · #35 03-06-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by bkwits [*]

I have stated before that I absolutely think that the cell phone was discarded after maria's death.
But the call could have been made prior to Maria's convo with her mom. JMO [/*]

I can see that. But I can also see being so mad throwing the phone out too. But not so much as someone else putting it there. And I wonder if she did call him, when did she do it. In his letter, he stated that she came to his house the first time and demanded money. It was sometime after noon when she was released from work. But was it before the 2:30 conversation or was it after? Was it before she went to the ATM or was it after she got her bus ticket? There's alot of questions I have!

henry · #36 03-06-2008, 11:51 AM

crap . . . the missing link is if anyone was with her at the 12/14 atm withdrawal . . . that would help tons!!!!

CANDYKISSES · #37 03-06-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by caejde [*]

I can see that. But I can also see being so mad throwing the phone out too. But not so much as someone else putting it there. And I wonder if she did call him, when did she do it. In his letter, he stated that she came to his house the first time and demanded money. It was sometime after noon when she was released from work. But was it before the 2:30 conversation or was it after? Was it before she went to the ATM or was it after she got her bus ticket? There's alot of questions I have! [/*]

Those are good questions caejde. Given we don't really know her itinerary for that day from start to finish, anything is possible.

I still say there is truth woven with lies, but that is JMO.

It would not shock me to find out Maria threw the phone if she was really feeling trapped and angry. I go with the first reports from her mom's account of the call to the descriptions that were used. They all came before people started feeling bad about what really happened to Maria and Gabriel.

JMO tho.

GentleBreeze · #38 03-06-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by CANDYKISSES [*]

Those are good questions caejde. Given we don't really know her itinerary for that day from start to finish, anything is possible.

I still say there is truth woven with lies, but that is JMO.

It would not shock me to find out Maria threw the phone if she was really feeling trapped and angry. I go with the first reports from her mom's account of the call to the descriptions that were used. They all came before people started feeling bad about what really happened to Maria and Gabriel.

JMO tho.

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Good Morning Candy!

I have always felt that CAL's notes showed no anger against Maria. Now sure he was trying to cover up the truth about how she had died but I have just never seen it that he was angry with her.

I think also he may have interjected the words "demanded money" for CSLs sake. He sure wasn't going to put down that he willingly gave her money for the bus ticket but I think it highly probable that he was going to do that. He also seems very familiar with Maria's normal demeanor. The thing is he could have written anything in there that was very critical like this woman was trying to destroy his life or blackmail him but he didn't.

So maybe LE now have his own ATM withdrawals for that day and it shows he withdrew money in the same time period that all of this went down and it coincides with the bus ticket amount. Or maybe they have transfers from his account to hers from time to time.

LE made that statement early on and by now they may have evidence that contact was made even before the 14th. I think it all happened because the 14th was payday for both him and Maria and both of their pay scales are low so they wouldn't have much extra money between paydays imo.

imoo

#39 03-06-2008, 12:09 PM

There's this comment from Cic about them having contact. Hope that helps

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/11/...ine/index.html

"The information developed over the last 24 hours leads us to believe that she still had some kind of contact" with him, said Paul Ciccarelli, agent in charge of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service at Camp Lejeune.

bkwits · #40 03-06-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by henry [*]crap . . . the missing link is if anyone was with her at the 12/14 atm withdrawal . . . that would help tons!!!! [/*]

Yes, I still think the fearful way she was looking around gives some clue. IMO