Discussion - March 5th.

[n/t]

Good Morning all,

Just got caught up on last night's thread. I still believe the motive was finances whether he left on his own because he couldn't deal with it or he got involved with some bad people and something horrible happened to him.

Yes, some wives have no clue about the household finances. It happens more than than we know. I've seen it first hand with 2 of my coworkers. Yes, in hindsight they wonder how naive they were not to have seen it. Both due to gambling problems. I'm not saying that's the case with Nicholas but it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Anyway, hope y'all have a nice day. We're dealing with nasty weather here. Freezing rain and ice pellets forecasted for the entire day. I'll check in when I can.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Okay I posted on the other thread so I'll repeat what I said.

Christine has edited some of her blog - not anything radical, but just added to it, it seems for more clarity.

Nicholas was last seen going up the hill toward his car. Does anyone know if he would have had to pass the opening of that alley to get to his car, and how far away his car was parked from the building.

I was thinking maybe Mystry could ask her friend.

[AJandTam]

n/t,

I don't know about this guy. Do you know if he has any connections at that condo or anywhere close by?? I figure he ran off but can't imagine what he's doing for money.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by AJandTam [*] n/t,

I don't know about this guy. Do you know if he has any connections at that condo or anywhere close by?? I figure he ran off but can't imagine what he's doing for money. [/*]

Hi Tam

The police said they do not know of any connection to those condos, but how they could determine that is beyond me. I'm sure they do not know everyone Nicholas came in contact with in his every day life and via the internet.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I just had a thought or rather a question. At first when we thought Nicholas' phone was a work phone, I thought it made sense that he would announce that it was dead. A lot of employers give out cell phones so they can reach their employees at all times. So yes he would need to let others know his phone was dead and he could not be reached.

But why let them know his personal cell phone was dead? Would that be something they needed to know?

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

Hi Tam

The police said they do not know of any connection to those condos, but how they could determine that is beyond me. I'm sure they do not know everyone Nicholas came in contact with in his every day life and via the internet. [/*]

Hi ya Rain. Do you know if they took N's computers at work or home? Who he was talking to on the internet could be very telling.

I guess they haven't found money missing so they don't know how he is supporting himself, as I understand it. He is not using any known funds?

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]I just had a thought or rather a question. At first when we thought Nicholas' phone was a work phone, I thought it made sense that he would announce that it was dead. A lot of employers give out cell phones so they can reach their employees at all times. So yes he would need to let others know his phone was dead and he could not be reached.

But why let them know his personal cell phone was dead? Would that be something they needed to know? [/*]

That is strange if N was telling everyone that his phone was dead. I had imagined that he was just fussing about it to whomever was listening.

It seems like so much time has passed now since he disappeared that they would know if N took a bus, or a plane or something. It is interesting if they can't figure out how he might have gotten out of the area. My first thought is if foul play had come to him. It would be unlikely that there would be no signs of a struggle or anything, so that makes me think he ran off. Just wondering how he might have done it.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by AJandTam [*]

Hi ya Rain. Do you know if they took N's computers at work or home? Who he was talking to on the internet could be very telling.

I guess they haven't found money missing so they don't know how he is supporting himself, as I understand it. He is not using any known funds? [/*]

I agree, but as far as we the public know, they have not taken his computer from home or work (maybe they have). There has been no activity on any of his email or bank accounts, charge cards, etc.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

I agree, but as far as we the public know, they have not taken his computer from home or work (maybe they have). There has been no activity on any of his email or bank accounts, charge cards, etc. [/*]

Very interesting. If he did run off, he certainly planned it well. I think that w/males meeting foul play though, their bodies would turn up pretty quickly unless someone very close to them were involved. Doesn't sound like this was like a car jacking or theft thing. He wasn't fooling around w/anyones wife as far as we know. What motive would anyone have to take him?

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

I agree, but as far as we the public know, they have not taken his computer from home or work (maybe they have). There has been no activity on any of his email or bank accounts, charge cards, etc. [/*]

After the initial check of his email and bank accounts, does LE continue to check on a regular basis or are all these accounts frozen so they can't be used? Anyone know?

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]I just had a thought or rather a question. At first when we thought Nicholas' phone was a work phone, I thought it made sense that he would announce that it was dead. A lot of employers give out cell phones so they can reach their employees at all times. So yes he would need to let others know his phone was dead and he could not be reached.

But why let them know his personal cell phone was dead? Would that be something they needed to know? [/*]

Now that you mention it...that is kinda strange. And didn't I read that it had been dead for a couple of days? Maybe not. I can't remember. If my phone were dead, my co-workers wouldn't know about it. But I do realize it could have come up in a conversation.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Curiouser [*]


After the initial check of his email and bank accounts, does LE continue to check on a regular basis or are all these accounts frozen so they can't be used? Anyone know? [/*]

Great question - could they freeze those accounts though because Christine would need to use them, right?

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Curiouser [*]


After the initial check of his email and bank accounts, does LE continue to check on a regular basis or are all these accounts frozen so they can't be used? Anyone know? [/*]

I think the accounts are "red flagged" so to speak in most cases. In recent times in the case of Maria Lauterbach, something went bad wrong w/that. As her killer was at her ATM trying to steal her money 10 days after she disappeared. He went on the 24th of Dec. But on Jan 11th, he hadn't been busted for that even though his face was on the ATM machine and as it turned out, he ran away to possibly mexico and has not been found yet. So it seems it all depends on how good the investigators are and how much effort they put into a case.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by bitsy555 [*]

Now that you mention it...that is kinda strange. And didn't I read that it had been dead for a couple of days? Maybe not. I can't remember. If my phone were dead, my co-workers wouldn't know about it. But I do realize it could have come up in a conversation. [/*]

Matt from Seattle knows the type of phone and he said it would have to be not charged for one to two days for it to be completely dead.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by AJandTam [*]

I think the accounts are "red flagged" so to speak in most cases. In recent times in the case of Maria Lauterbach, something went bad wrong w/that. As her killer was at her ATM trying to steal her money 10 days after she disappeared. He went on the 24th of Dec. But on Jan 11th, he hadn't been busted for that even though his face was on the ATM machine and as it turned out, he ran away to possibly mexico and has not been found yet. So it seems it all depends on how good the investigators are and how much effort they put into a case. [/*]

Thanks - I didn't know that. I think your last line says it all.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]I just had a thought or rather a question. At first when we thought Nicholas' phone was a work phone, I thought it made sense that he would announce that it was dead. A lot of employers give out cell phones so they can reach their employees at all times. So yes he would need to let others know his phone was dead and he could not be reached.

But why let them know his personal cell phone was dead? Would that be something they needed to know? [/*]

I didn't realize he had 2 phones. I thought the cellphone he used was the company phone.

I made it into work. What a mess.

Hiya Tam! Good to see you here. Here we go with another case that will make us nuts.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t [*]

I didn't realize he had 2 phones. I thought the cellphone he used was the company phone.

I made it into work. What a mess.

Hiya Tam! Good to see you here. Here we go with another case that will make us nuts. [/*]

Didn't Christine say on her blog that it was his personal phone but he got it through work ?

[huskiki]

Good Morning Everyone

We're having bad weather too n/t. Mainly rain but it was freezing in some spots. Where's spring?

About his bank accounts. I would think that they would leave them accessable so if he tried to use them it could be tracked. Unless of course you can track an attempt on a frozen account. Anyone here work for a bank?

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

Didn't Christine say on her blog that it was his personal phone but he got it through work ? [/*]

Yes, you're right. I misunderstood. I thought it was a company phone.

This is what she posted on the blog.

"His cell phone is his phone but got a discount through work."

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

Didn't Christine say on her blog that it was his personal phone but he got it through work ? [/*]

Yes, she said it was a personal phone, but he got a discount thru work.

I just don't understand why he would let his phone go dead. He drove an older car. He had a pregnant wife and two small children at home. I wonder if this was typical of him. I don't know to me it sounds very convenient.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by bitsy555 [*]

Yes, she said it was a personal phone, but he got a discount thru work.

I just don't understand why he would let his phone go dead. He drove an older car. He had a pregnant wife and two small children at home. I wonder if this was typical of him. I don't know to me it sounds very convenient. [/*]

I can never remember to charge my phone. It's been dead for the past 3 days. I have a car charger but it broke so I have to use the one I have at home, which I can never remember to bring to the office with me. LOL

However, I am a woman so it's all understandable. Men are usually pretty good about their phones.

[bitsy555]

If he had a credit card she didn't know about and was using it, they would be able to tell wouldn't they? I don't know how they monitor those things.

And I wonder how hard it would be to get a credit card in another name.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by bitsy555 [*]If he had a credit card she didn't know about and was using it, they would be able to tell wouldn't they? I don't know how they monitor those things.

And I wonder how hard it would be to get a credit card in another name. [/*]

Bank of America gives credit cards to illegals without SS numbers.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...f_america.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251672,00.html

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]


I can never remember to charge my phone. It's been dead for the past 3 days. I have a car charger but it broke so I have to use the one I have at home, which I can never remember to bring to the office with me. LOL

However, I am a woman so it's all understandable. Men are usually pretty good about their phones. [/*]

Yes, but Christine said he would call if he was so much as going to be 15 minutes late.

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]I just had a thought or rather a question. At first when we thought Nicholas' phone was a work phone, I thought it made sense that he would announce that it was dead. A lot of employers give out cell phones so they can reach their employees at all times. So yes he would need to let others know his phone was dead and he could not be reached.

But why let them know his personal cell phone was dead? Would that be something they needed to know? [/*]

The 'dead' cellphone is one of the things that makes me believe he walked. He made a point of telling co-workers his battery was dead to (pre) explain away why no one could contact him when he went missing. I really can't imagine why this would even come into a convo since he was in the building (with the office phone) all day on Wednesday, at least we haven't heard otherwise.

To put it another way...if he hadn't mentioned the phone was dead then obviously people would have been frantically trying to reach him by phone when he didn't come home Wednesday night. It probably would've sounded suspicious that he couldn't be reached by phone and appeared more likely than not that he didn't want to be contacted.

Either the cell phone was part of his plan or he's got some really rotten luck to have a dead battery on the day he went missing.

I worked for a company who paid for my cell phone service, but I paid for the phone (using the company discount program), and my employer chose the service provider. So...it was in fact my phone and I kept it when I left the company but of course I had to start picking up the monthly fee. Interestingly though the service provider let me continue under the same discount plan. I also kept an extra charger in my desk drawer at work just in case I needed it.

It seems to me if he relied on his cell phone very much he would have a routine of charging it at night, or have a cell phone charger in his car. I've purchased 2 cell phones that came with car chargers.

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]


Bank of America gives credit cards to illegals without SS numbers.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...f_america.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251672,00.html [/*]

Unbeliveable!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Yes and the charger has bugged me from day one

[huskiki]

Originally posted by bitsy555 [*]

Unbeliveable! [/*]

I know! That could be another forum all together.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Snowbird [*]

My phone battery is dead now on the counter top. My children yelled at me for just charging when I wanted too. They said you are suppose to let the battery completely drain before charging to preserve the life of the battery. I just assumed everyone let their phone battery die before charging. I've learned something new. [/*]

Snow, you are correct. According to what the store told my family members. A battery has about 400 charges before it goes bad. Everytime you plug in your battery charger, you are using one of those 400 charges, so the cell company we use did recommend letting the battery go dead before recharging.

[dianaelaine]

I'm going to bring over what I posted on yesterday's thread, this morning. I forgot we have a new thread each day.

This is in response to somebody asking me, why would NF leave without telling CF.

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1. Didn't want to face her yelling, nagging, whatever she might put him through.

2. Has always been the 'good guy', doing what he 'should', being responsible, etc. and just needed to get away, without hearing anything from anybody, parents, other family, etc.

3. The pull of an affair (even emotional) is VERY strong ... and will change even the best of people, they go into the 'fog' and are completely selfish and self-centered for awhile.

4. I'm still keeping open to the fact that he MIGHT have been involved with foul play, but that could also include the person he perhaps 'just' met through an internet connection.

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Also, the cell phone part struck me as VERY odd from the very beginning. Just something about him making sure his co-workers knew it was dead, AND it was noted that they knew it was dead ALL day. ???

If it WERE dead all day, he could have/should have charged it. Doesn't make any sense. And why tell your co-workers, unless you WANTED them to know ... so that covered him in not being able to be reached from that point on. Gave him time ...

And Christine's yelling 'these kids won't have a daddy' in front of them, frantically, and LOUD ... just really bothered me, not good parenting in my opinion. It's as if she didn't care what they heard or how they might have been affected, she just needed to come across as dramatic.

I may be wrong about her ... just sayin.

Yes, he may have all ready contacted somebody in the family ... which is why the urgency is gone. But if he hasn't, I hope somebody tells him, he certainly CAN and not made to come back.

Maybe he doesn't realize that he has the freedom to stay away. Of course, he also has to face what people will think of him, paying child support, etc.

If he's with a woman, it may take some time ... icky to say, cause he should have separated or divorced first, but if he IS with a woman, the way it usually goes is, they'll want their time together for awhile, without interruption, then he'll probably want to reach out to the kids again ...

Just some thoughts.

HEY, we need an abbreviation for that!

JST: just some thoughts.

[huskiki]

Hi Diana

The interview with her yelling with her kids right there bothered me too. I'm trying to think that she didn't realize that they were there.

All good points you have!

[need2no]

I finally found my own answer to one of the questions I had about pre paid cell phones:

Why can’t inmates have cell phones or prepaid phone cards?
Tracking and accountability are impossible. Security features can be bypassed, calls cannot be tracked or monitored, and phone cards do not allow officials to determine who actually uses a card. They pose a major risk to the safe and orderly operation of correctional facilities.

http://www.cor.mt.gov/Facts/InmatePhones.asp


I wonder if Christine's incoming phone calls are being monitored by LE? I'm guessing no.

[n/t]

Originally posted by need2no [*]I finally found my own answer to one of the questions I had about pre paid cell phones:

Why can’t inmates have cell phones or prepaid phone cards?
Tracking and accountability are impossible. Security features can be bypassed, calls cannot be tracked or monitored, and phone cards do not allow officials to determine who actually uses a card. They pose a major risk to the safe and orderly operation of correctional facilities.

http://www.cor.mt.gov/Facts/InmatePhones.asp


I wonder if Christine's incoming phone calls are being monitored by LE? I'm guessing no. [/*]

Not unless she's suspected of being involved. Do you think she and Nicholas are communicating?

[desmom]

Good Morning All!

I am caught up on reading and want throw in my 2 cents....

Re: Christine's comments in chat - I think every spouse vents about their s/o to friends at one time or another. Christine was a SAHM, oops excuse me a WAHM, and her conversation during the day would be with her 2 children under the age of 5. I remember those days. I also remember calling friends and asking them to please say something adult-like. LOL! IMO, Christine being in chat rooms and/or venting about her husband is not suspicious....unless of course the entire conversation was all negative comments about her husband.

Cell phone charging - I have had my phone for over 2 years. I usually plug it in every night - occasionally I forget, so it would be every other day. It has the original battery. *knock on wood*
I do think it is suspicious NF's cell phone battery died the day he disappeared.

Credit Card - I had asked earlier if LE would run a credit check on NF or if they checked to see if he received any personal mail at the office. NF could have applied for a cc using his work address so CF would not know about the cc.

Bank accounts and computer - I think LE would need CF's permission or a warrant to flag their accounts and to take the home computer since they would be joint accounts/computer.
Which might be a sticky situation if his disappearance is associated with anything illegal, IMO. i.e. If NF was involved in something illegal, charged with a crime and the evidence came from his computer, I think a good defense attorney could get the evidence tossed.

Again....jmo

[dianaelaine]

Do you guys think if were the other way around, they would be monitoring Nicholas' phone calls?

If Christine were missing I mean.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by dianaelaine [*]Do you guys think if were the other way around, they would be monitoring Nicholas' phone calls?

If Christine were missing I mean. [/*]

They would have searched the house high and low and this would have been all over the news like Stacy Peterson. It's always different when a woman goes missing. The husband is the main POI right off the bat. IMO JMO

[need2no]

Originally posted by n/t [*]

Not unless she's suspected of being involved. Do you think she and Nicholas are communicating? [/*]

Right, and as far as we know LE has no reason to suspect her. At this point all LE can do is to take any leads that may come in.

Hmmmm...I consider it as a very good possibility, but I keep bouncing back and forth between he left to protect his family from some problem, he left out of shame over the problem, or he walked to get away from everything.Then there is the possibility CF was in on the disappearing act. I do think his apparently strong (family) religious background is a big influence on why he walked, especially if CF was clueless, and I can't get past the recent resignation from the church playing a part in this. I also think CF knew at least something about 'the problem', or she has figured it out since he disappeared. Now I'm considering all the reasons why she would keep quiet about what she knows.

I noticed on CF's myspace beside religion it says Christian-other.
Can someone explain what she meant by OTHER.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by need2no [*]

Right, and as far as we know LE has no reason to suspect her. At this point all LE can do is to take any leads that may come in.

Hmmmm...I consider it as a very good possibility, but I keep bouncing back and forth between he left to protect his family from some problem, he left out of shame over the problem, or he walked to get away from everything.Then there is the possibility CF was in on the disappearing act. I do think his apparently strong (family) religious background is a big influence on why he walked, especially if CF was clueless, and I can't get past the recent resignation from the church playing a part in this. I also think CF knew at least something about 'the problem', or she has figured it out since he disappeared. Now I'm considering all the reasons why she would keep quiet about what she knows.

I noticed on CF's myspace beside religion it says Christian-other.
Can someone explain what she meant by OTHER. [/*]

I would think the other would be the Mars Hill affiliation. I thought I read somewhere on the 60+ page forum that Mars Hill was non-denominational.

[need2no]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]


I would think the other would be the Mars Hill affiliation. I thought I read somewhere on the 60+ page forum that Mars Hill was non-denominational. [/*]

You're right, I recall reading that as well, so I guess that explains OTHER.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]

They would have searched the house high and low and this would have been all over the news like Stacy Peterson. It's always different when a woman goes missing. The husband is the main POI right off the bat. IMO JMO [/*]

Exactly - had Christine been reported missing and there were four hours unaccounted for, Nicholas would be under intense scrutiny.