Discussion - March 3rd.

[n/t]

Hi all,

I thought daily discussion threads will make it easier. Feel free to carry over any discussions from the long thread.

Thanks!

[huskiki]

Originally posted by n/t [*]Hi all,

I thought daily discussion threads will make it easier. Feel free to carry over any discussions from the long thread.

Thanks! [/*]

Thanks n/t

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]

Thanks n/t [/*]

Hi all

I'll try to pull some links over.

[n/t]

I brought the question earlier this morning regarding what else can be done to locate a loved one. This was in reference to the assigned detective taking a holiday and Christine's post saying he'll be on vacation until the 13th.

Is there anything else besides waiting for LE to give updates on the investigation?

What can Christine or his family do? I know others have called on Tim Miller but I'm guessing there has to be some sort of evidence first.

We have nothing for Nicholas. It's like he just disappeared.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

Hi all

I'll try to pull some links over. [/*]

Thanks Rainy

Originally posted by n/t [*]I brought the question earlier this morning regarding what else can be done to locate a loved one. This was in reference to the assigned detective taking a holiday and Christine's post saying he'll be on vacation until the 13th.

Is there anything else besides waiting for LE to give updates on the investigation?

What can Christine or his family do? I know others have called on Tim Miller but I'm guessing there has to be some sort of evidence first.

We have nothing for Nicholas. It's like he just disappeared. [/*]

Since Nicholas is still missing and presumably there is no new information, wouldn't it be a good idea for his friends and/or family to again appeal to the public, through the media, for any possible information or clues? Remind everyone (the public) that he is not forgotten, and that there is still a reward for information. I don't think there have been any updates, even in the local media, for over a week.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by n/t [*]I brought the question earlier this morning regarding what else can be done to locate a loved one. This was in reference to the assigned detective taking a holiday and Christine's post saying he'll be on vacation until the 13th.

Is there anything else besides waiting for LE to give updates on the investigation?

What can Christine or his family do? I know others have called on Tim Miller but I'm guessing there has to be some sort of evidence first.

We have nothing for Nicholas. It's like he just disappeared. [/*]

It sounded like LE wasn't going to do any active searches unless they had a solid lead. So I guess the family would conduct thier own searches but it doesn't seem as if they are. I say that because there hasn't been any news on Nicholas since 2/23.

Tim Miller probably requires some kind of background on a case before he takes it. Would TES get involved in finding people who might have taken off on their own?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by mc528 [*]


Since Nicholas is still missing and presumably there is no new information, wouldn't it be a good idea for his friends and/or family to again appeal to the public, through the media, for any possible information or clues? Remind everyone (the public) that he is not forgotten, and that there is still a reward for information. I don't think there have been any updates, even in the local media, for over a week. [/*]

Hi mc528

I'm a NY'er too!

I think the lack of coverage on this case speaks for itself.

Originally posted by huskiki [*]

Hi mc528

I'm a NY'er too!

I think the lack of coverage on this case speaks for itself. [/*]

Hi, huskiki

Yes, that to me has been a concern. Even if, and especially since, there are no new leads, the friends and family should be pushing this case to remain in the public's eyesight. People do not just vanish (unless aliens really do abduct people), someone, somewhere, knows something. Reward money often jogs people's memories.

[n/t]

Originally posted by mc528 [*]


Since Nicholas is still missing and presumably there is no new information, wouldn't it be a good idea for his friends and/or family to again appeal to the public, through the media, for any possible information or clues? Remind everyone (the public) that he is not forgotten, and that there is still a reward for information. I don't think there have been any updates, even in the local media, for over a week. [/*]

I agree. They should keep his case out there in the public but with no new leads I'm not sure the media would be interested. Any news from the PI that his employer hired?

[desmom]

Originally posted by n/t [*]I brought the question earlier this morning regarding what else can be done to locate a loved one. This was in reference to the assigned detective taking a holiday and Christine's post saying he'll be on vacation until the 13th.

Is there anything else besides waiting for LE to give updates on the investigation?

What can Christine or his family do? I know others have called on Tim Miller but I'm guessing there has to be some sort of evidence first.

We have nothing for Nicholas. It's like he just disappeared. [/*]

I think we have to seriously consider he left.

Because he worked in advertising, I would email NF's pic to every ad agency I could find on the internet in the tri-state area and look at agencies in Canada.

I would also look at other types of jobs that would work with his qualifications and email those employers.

I would be on the phone asking questions of everyone that NF may have been in contact with in the weeks leading up to his disappearance. What was his demeanor? Did he seem distracted? Upset? Depressed? Any unusual phone calls?

I also would email his flyer to everyone in my address book and beg them to forward to everyone in their address book.

And I would flood every media outlet in the tri-state area with his flyer.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]


It sounded like LE wasn't going to do any active searches unless they had a solid lead. So I guess the family would conduct thier own searches but it doesn't seem as if they are. I say that because there hasn't been any news on Nicholas since 2/23.

Tim Miller probably requires some kind of background on a case before he takes it. Would TES get involved in finding people who might have taken off on their own? [/*]

Here is a link about TES organization - looks like people who just vanished are on there...John Glasgow's pic is on there

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

Originally posted by n/t [*]

I agree. They should keep his case out there in the public but with no new leads I'm not sure the media would be interested. Any news from the PI that his employer hired? [/*]

I think that the media would be interested if there was someone calling them daily (or multiple times a day) asking to be given air time to make a plea for new leads. Especially since CF still believes it was foul play. Wouldn't the public be interested to know if there was some sort of foul play that left absolutely no trace. It would be a very scary thought to most people that something like that could happen in the middle of a busy after-work commute time.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by desmom [*]

I think we have to seriously consider he left.

Because he worked in advertising, I would email NF's pic to every ad agency I could find on the internet in the tri-state area and look at agencies in Canada.

I would also look at other types of jobs that would work with his qualifications and email those employers.

I would be on the phone asking questions of everyone that NF may have been in contact with in the weeks leading up to his disappearance. What was his demeanor? Did he seem distracted? Upset? Depressed? Any unusual phone calls?

I also would email his flyer to everyone in my address book and beg them to forward to everyone in their address book.

And I would flood every media outlet in the tri-state area with his flyer. [/*]

I've felt that he left all along and I think Christine knows that too. The problem lies with the fact that she came out peading to the public to help find her husband. Now that she has brought this out in the open she should be honest with the public if she knows for sure that he left. Not to mention all the money that she has received but I won't go there.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

Here is a link about TES organization - looks like people who just vanished are on there...John Glasgow's pic is on there

http://www.texasequusearch.org/ [/*]

Thanks Rainy,

I wasn't sure what critera had to be met before TES got involved. TES is going to be involved with Jaliek Rainwalker's disappearance once the snow melts.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]


Thanks Rainy,

I wasn't sure what critera had to be met before TES got involved. TES is going to be involved with Jaliek Rainwalker's disappearance once the snow melts. [/*]

You're welcome - see why isn't Nicholas' picture on here? Maybe the family doesn't know they can report it on that website? It has a link for "Report a Missing Person". People from all over the world hit that website.

why aren't the posts numbered? I want to refer to one and then have to go back pages to find it.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

You're welcome - see why isn't Nicholas' picture on here? Maybe the family doesn't know they can report it on that website? It has a link for "Report a Missing Person". People from all over the world hit that website. [/*]

Here's where it gets interesting, for me at least. In order to report a missing person to TES, it has to be reported by an immediate family member. I wanted to report Jaliek missing there because I wasn't sure if the people who were actively looking for him knew about their services. Needless to say I couldn't. In his case the immediate family, Stephen Kerr his adoptive father, is the POI. So then what? In this case, I don't know how much more exposure Christine wants because I think she realizes that he left and that a lot of people are beginning to question her actions. IMO JMO

[need2no]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]


It sounded like LE wasn't going to do any active searches unless they had a solid lead. So I guess the family would conduct thier own searches but it doesn't seem as if they are. I say that because there hasn't been any news on Nicholas since 2/23.

Tim Miller probably requires some kind of background on a case before he takes it. Would TES get involved in finding people who might have taken off on their own? [/*]

According to this blogsite there have been a couple of searches conducted on Saturdays by friends/family (?), though Christine did not participate based on her good luck comment.

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/

[need2no]

Originally posted by decor [*]why aren't the posts numbered? I want to refer to one and then have to go back pages to find it. [/*]

I use the time of the post as a reference.

[desmom]

Originally posted by decor [*]why aren't the posts numbered? I want to refer to one and then have to go back pages to find it. [/*]

Can you quote the post? I use the quote button in the right corner of the post.

Originally posted by need2no [*]

I use the time of the post as a reference. [/*]

I do that too but it seems to be more trouble than just a numbered post. Also there can be a number of posts posted at the same time.

Originally posted by desmom [*]

Can you quote the post? I use the quote button in the right corner of the post. [/*]

when there are pages that I am backed up on it is easier to just quote the post #'s than trying to quote all of the people that I want to respond to.

Once they initially look at his financial and phone records, do they ever check again to see if there's activity later? Or are these credit cards and accounts (including the phone account) shut down so there can be no more activity on them?

Also we don't seem to have any news from the PI hired by his employer. At least you'd think he could say that he hasn't been able to find anything at all. Its like he vanished too!!

I think CF should hire her own PI. Even if she thinks he left on his own, he still needs to support this family he helped make. So stay away already, just send money.

Maybe Nick and Viliamu took off for Alaska or wherever and Viliamu's wife knows where they went so she's stopped any search she may have started earlier. Something more than just a criptique note about it being a family matter would be nice but I guess its her option. Unless of course she's helping to hide Nicholas and then wouldn't she be an accessory to some sort of crime?

[need2no]

Originally posted by mc528 [*]


I think that the media would be interested if there was someone calling them daily (or multiple times a day) asking to be given air time to make a plea for new leads. Especially since CF still believes it was foul play. Wouldn't the public be interested to know if there was some sort of foul play that left absolutely no trace. It would be a very scary thought to most people that something like that could happen in the middle of a busy after-work commute time. [/*]

I can recall a couple of cases Nancy Grace reported on when the person initially 'went missing', and then for several days, or maybe it was weeks she would show the missing person photo on her show at some point during the show, even though she no longer discussed the case. I just wonder why this hasn't been done with NF.

[desmom]

Originally posted by decor [*]

when there are pages that I am backed up on it is easier to just quote the post #'s than trying to quote all of the people that I want to respond to. [/*]

You could post a Re: (enter subject here) post.

[need2no]

Originally posted by decor [*]

I do that too but it seems to be more trouble than just a numbered post. Also there can be a number of posts posted at the same time. [/*]

True, and it certainly would be a nice little luxury to have the posts numbered.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by need2no [*]

According to this blogsite there have been a couple of searches conducted on Saturdays by friends/family (?), though Christine did not participate based on her good luck comment.

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/ [/*]

That's good to hear, at least someone is out looking for him. I'm sure Christine didn't participate, she couldn't make it to a vigil let alone get out and actively search. Has she been placed on bed rest? I know she has children to take care of but she has stated that she has help with them. I don't know, if it were my husband I know I would be out there looking for him. Unless of course he picked up and left, then he would be on his own

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]

Here's where it gets interesting, for me at least. In order to report a missing person to TES, it has to be reported by an immediate family member. I wanted to report Jaliek missing there because I wasn't sure if the people who were actively looking for him knew about their services. Needless to say I couldn't. In his case the immediate family, Stephen Kerr his adoptive father, is the POI. So then what? In this case, I don't know how much more exposure Christine wants because I think she realizes that he left and that a lot of people are beginning to question her actions. IMO JMO [/*]

I didn't know that! Re: Nicholas - If I am remembering correctly, C emailed the director. That makes me feel a little better because it means she went to their website and hopefully saw the "report a missing person" button.- I sure wish his pic was up there.

[desmom]

I think they are talking about the search they did a week ago http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/ because the good luck with the search post from Aimee is dated Feb. 23.

Or am I not seeing it?

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx [*]

You're welcome - see why isn't Nicholas' picture on here? Maybe the family doesn't know they can report it on that website? It has a link for "Report a Missing Person". People from all over the world hit that website. [/*]

You'd think that if CF did e-mail them she would know more things she could do with their site, etc. Even if they couldn't or wouldn't come hunting for him at that time, his name and picture up there would be better than nothing, MOO!

[need2no]

Originally posted by decor [*]

when there are pages that I am backed up on it is easier to just quote the post #'s than trying to quote all of the people that I want to respond to. [/*]

If I'm following what you are trying to do, another suggestion is to start your post with the nics of the people's posts you are responding to..for example:

desmom/need2no/mc538/curiouser

desmom-I see what you are saying about CF
need2no-I totally agree with all of your thoughts (LOL)
mc538/curiouser-where did y'all find the info about so and so?

Sometimes when I pop in for a few minutes and see a couple or several response to something I posted I don't want to take the time to quote and respond to each poster so I just put all the names at the beginning of one post. This way I can respond to each individually if necessary, or just one poster if my thoughts/response is the same to all.

Hope this makes sense and helps.

[need2no]

Originally posted by desmom [*]I think they are talking about the search they did a week ago http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/ because the good luck with the search post from Aimee is dated Feb. 23.

Or am I not seeing it? [/*]

Scroll down to Canvass This Saturday. It states they will meet in the same place as last Saturday. At the end of this write up it says 2 comments...click on that and you will see one is the Good Luck comment from Christine.

Originally posted by huskiki [*]

That's good to hear, at least someone is out looking for him. I'm sure Christine didn't participate, she couldn't make it to a vigil let alone get out and actively search. Has she been placed on bed rest? I know she has children to take care of but she has stated that she has help with them. I don't know, if it were my husband I know I would be out there looking for him. Unless of course he picked up and left, then he would be on his own [/*]

I think there is so much that can be done to get the word out and try and find him, even without physically leaving your house. In this day and age, and given both CF's and NF's involvement on-line, word and appeals can be sent to millions of people in a very short amount of time. The flier and a request for any information should be posted on every site that they had any affiliation with that had a forum. Any site....all social networking sites, even ones that may seem far-fetched...like sweepstakes entry, couponing, gaming, etc. All this in addition to contacting the local and national news media. None of this would likely cost any money, just time - which right now there is a lot of but with every passing day it is less and less likely that someone will remember something from 2/13.

Originally posted by need2no [*]


Scroll down to Canvass This Saturday. It states they will meet in the same place as last Saturday. At the end of this write up it says 2 comments...click on that and you will see one is the Good Luck comment from Christine. [/*]

Still the quote from Christine (via Michelle by the way) is dated Feb. 22nd, which is Friday. There's been two Saturdays since then (Feb. 23 and March 1).

[desmom]

Originally posted by need2no [*]


Scroll down to Canvass This Saturday. It states they will meet in the same place as last Saturday. At the end of this write up it says 2 comments...click on that and you will see one is the Good Luck comment from Christine. [/*]

Thanks.

The "Canvass this Saturday. Meeting Time 11AM at Publicis?"
is dated 2/21/08.

Thanks for the help, but I am still not seeing one re: a search on 3/01/08. Sometimes I can't see the side of a barn.

[need2no]

Originally posted by huskiki [*]

That's good to hear, at least someone is out looking for him. I'm sure Christine didn't participate, she couldn't make it to a vigil let alone get out and actively search. Has she been placed on bed rest? I know she has children to take care of but she has stated that she has help with them. I don't know, if it were my husband I know I would be out there looking for him. Unless of course he picked up and left, then he would be on his own [/*]

Unless I knew something I was keeping to myself and had a pretty darn good idea of why my hubby was 'missing', I would absolutely have to go out and look for him or I would go bonkers at home while just sitting around waiting to hear from the others who were physically searching for MY HUSBAND, and THE FATHER OF MY CHILDREN. Sitting around waiting would not work for me, and quite frankly I would find it less stressful to be out doing something productive that might help determine what happened to my DH.

[dianaelaine]

I wish you people would stop moving around ... I'm getting confused!

Man, right about now, I'm ready to post to Christine over on the blog ... and ask her some SERIOUS questions and tell her that she needs to GET the heck out there and FIND her husband, dead or alive!!!



OK .. I'm fine now. It's just that I'm so upset with her calm demeanor and it's starting to get to me. UNLESS of course, as suggested, she does really believe or know, that he's left her ... then she NEEDS to tell the public.

I'm just getting REALLY frustrated!

Originally posted by need2no [*]

Unless I knew something I was keeping to myself and had a pretty darn good idea of why my hubby was 'missing', I would absolutely have to go out and look for him or I would go bonkers at home while just sitting around waiting to hear from the others who were physically searching for MY HUSBAND, and THE FATHER OF MY CHILDREN. Sitting around waiting would not work for me, and quite frankly I would find it less stressful to be out doing something productive that might help determine what happened to my DH. [/*]

Exactly. So I think the part of what you said that is important is, "Unless I knew something I was keeping to myself...." If she knows he's taken off, why tromp through the woods and look in lakes? It would be a waste of time.

If she does know something, why not come out and say it. The longer knowledge like that goes unstated, the more embarrassing it will be when it does finally come out. Just tell everyone and be done with it and go on from there. I even doubt if it would hurt her donations. Might even give them new impetus as people would now think how wronged she was by her husband.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by mc528 [*]

I think there is so much that can be done to get the word out and try and find him, even without physically leaving your house. In this day and age, and given both CF's and NF's involvement on-line, word and appeals can be sent to millions of people in a very short amount of time. The flier and a request for any information should be posted on every site that they had any affiliation with that had a forum. Any site....all social networking sites, even ones that may seem far-fetched...like sweepstakes entry, couponing, gaming, etc. All this in addition to contacting the local and national news media. None of this would likely cost any money, just time - which right now there is a lot of but with every passing day it is less and less likely that someone will remember something from 2/13. [/*]

I agree that there is a lot that can be done but we're not finding Nicholas' face anywhere new. There is no doubt that people have been alerted to the fact that Nicholas is missing. The problem is that it has all stopped, or so it seems.

You mention contacting the media, I can't help but wonder if they have a bad taste in their mouth over this story. I can understand why national media would back off but why have the local media stopped covering this story? If Nicholas' case is that of a missing person where foul play is involved then they should be keeping the community informed.