Suspect Details

[ruby]

Perhaps it would be helpful to post links or info regarding the suspect. There is a lot of information out there, and it's getting confusing for me!

Let's list what we KNOW.

[ruby]

As per Nancy Grace tonight (Feb 20th, 2008), new detail released -

Suspect had pale white stomach and tanned forarms and hands.

Ruby,
Thanks very much for providing the site with the summarized update: Just a few thoughts and comments:

LE can probably check out the following:

The condoms can probably be traced to a pre-natal clinic- college on-site nurse /clinic- or local Walgreens, CVS, Rite Aid- or whatever small stores provide Birth Control- Most men would usually choose the condoms for themselves- ( mom of 2 adult sons), unless given by the Doctor - of a woman who just delivered a baby a few months ago- they would seeem to correlate with the time-frame- Oct-Dec- baby would be 3-5 months old- most new moms- no sex for a least 4-8 weeks after a delivery. The condoms probably , if a new style/brans- are possibly dispered to a direct Clinic/Doctor Office.

If DNA has been found on the body- Why wouldn't the POI use them, unless they were for use with a wife/girlfriend who had a new baby? He is not worried about the young women who are now victims. Also , why are you out at this time of night, buying baby formula? If I were LE working this case, I might also check ever all night Walgreens- CVS or Walmart - within the local 10 mile radius to see if anyone of those stores has survellience footage over the past weeks, with people coming in at the time frame after 12:00pm midnight- I know thats a daunting task- but, the results may be fruitful.

I will check in after....

Ms. Marple

[gino1234]

non-smoker
non-drinker

at least at the time of the attack

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ruby [*]As per Nancy Grace tonight (Feb 20th, 2008), new detail released -

Suspect had pale white stomach and tanned forarms and hands. [/*]

This sounds like to me that he works outdoors

[ruby]

Originally posted by Ms.Marple [*]Ruby,
Thanks very much for providing the site with the summarized update: Just a few thoughts and comments:

LE can probably check out the following:

The condoms can probably be traced to a pre-natal clinic- college on-site nurse /clinic- or local Walgreens, CVS, Rite Aid- or whatever small stores provide Birth Control- Most men would usually choose the condoms for themselves- ( mom of 2 adult sons), unless given by the Doctor - of a woman who just delivered a baby a few months ago- they would seeem to correlate with the time-frame- Oct-Dec- baby would be 3-5 months old- most new moms- no sex for a least 4-8 weeks after a delivery. The condoms probably , if a new style/brans- are possibly dispered to a direct Clinic/Doctor Office.

If DNA has been found on the body- Why wouldn't the POI use them, unless they were for use with a wife/girlfriend who had a new baby? He is not worried about the young women who are now victims. Also , why are you out at this time of night, buying baby formula? If I were LE working this case, I might also check ever all night Walgreens- CVS or Walmart - within the local 10 mile radius to see if anyone of those stores has survellience footage over the past weeks, with people coming in at the time frame after 12:00pm midnight- I know thats a daunting task- but, the results may be fruitful.

I will check in after....

Ms. Marple


[/*]

Well we don;t know 100% that the DNA is semen, or that it was intercourse without a condom. There are other methods that his semen could end up at the scene or on the victim (sorry trying not to be graphic). I wish we knew more about what the DNA was and where it was found with all the victims! You're on to something though for sure

Dear Gino1234.
Thats funny & also true.



So, I was just watching Fox News and saw Mr. Van Zandt former FBI person, now a consultant - not sure if he is still working, however he gave some more data about the Nevad crimes.

A thought regarding the description of the POI seems to fit a person that appears medically clean- like a nurse, skin technician, or, medics, ethticians, someone who needs to maintain a clean appearance in their employment. According to what I've read the witnesses report no body odors, perfume, or beauty products on the POI- So I began wondering what kind of person/pattern would/possibly/could fit a pattern;

Military Personell - Medic / Police
Hospital Employee - Male Nurse- Medical technican/ Orderly
Entertainment- Male Stripper/Escort Service-


The other case scenario is the woman he lives with is the owner of the underclothing found at the scene, and she is employed in a night shift job- allowing him to bring victims home- then he can fix a time frame to create these crimes, has a place to go. The underwear looked like a pair that was at my local Walmart with matching bras- when the Pink Panther movie came out with Beyonce about last summer- so I might say that could up or lower the age group of the POI - he could have a teenage daughter 15-18 years who is wearing these pants- which could make him between 35 - 40's. Or he could be involved with a college age- girls who may wear this type of underwear, who he abducted - last case is these underwear belong to his girlfriend - who now has a new baby and was a student at the campus, thus, it could age range him then to be approx; 20-30 years.


Just some ideas

Ms. Marple

[Maelstrom5]

Hi,

The DNA taken from the Nov. attack(from the condoms) could be anything. If he used other condoms from the pack in the past it could be transfer semen. If not, it is most likely from saliva which got there as he tried to us his teeth to open the pack, or from sweat/skin cells from his palm.

I agree the new information that he had tan arms but was not tan on his abdomen suggest someone who works outdoors or plays sports. The sports angle would fit in with the type of clothing reported

[gino1234]

sterile envviroment(no-odors or hair)

and a farmers tan

Think brain

I think we can rule out male stripper as his occupation. I used to have a lot of knowledge of that profession and NO male strippers have farmer's tans.

[2Hope4]

Thinking of outdoor hobbies or occupations:
bike rider
runner even professional runner or biker
landscaper
Any mtns were he could be a rock climber?
construction worker though typically in this area they work without their shirts...so the farmer's tan wouldn't work
city worker that spends lots of time outside.. think garbage collector, maintenance worker, etc.
Could he actually be a college student? Football player? Soccer player? Baseball? Perhaps a person that got a late start in going to college.
Could he work with horses? Training them? Are there many horse people in that area? (I am a horse person, and do get a farmer's tan while working them outside. Guess that's why I'm thinking perhaps)
Veterinarian or a vet assist? Might explain the papers (directions to clients?) Could explain being outside lots.

Thinking the hobby/occupation has little to do with no noticeable odors. Could be that he has a wife/significant other that is into natural products. Thinking no perfumes in the deodorants, after shaves, etc.

WM
Divorced/Seperated
Father
Custody rights (Kids shoe)
Landscaper\Construction\Laborer\Real Estate Agent\"Part Time" Student
Company vehicle? Usually Extended cab/SUV types.
May of just lost his job or is about to.
Well groomed.
Narscassist personality
Beard sounds fake.
No hair. No evidence.
Many trigger events have happened to this individual, starting last year.
May have had access to a school via a part time student status.
May have a student ID.
May use a gym/track/tennis facilities
Keeps track of the current media coverage
Underwear left not belonging to the victim is unusual. The offering up of evidence is bragadocious Not thinking they are from another victim, but maybe a breaking and entry gone awry, with no victim home. Stole underwear. Masturbated into them and left them at the crime scene as a potential "You got lucky this time or you would of had another" message.
Organized
Will strike again
Depends on his current state. If things in his life are rapidly deteriorating he will strike again sooner than later. In this iinstance I believe he will be eventually caught. Sooner than later.
But If his life is somewhat stabilizing, he may become more conservative with the increased public awareness. This iinstance begs a longer time in between capture.

Good night

Good job Columbo.
Well, I have questioned numerous men who I work around - some work in the construction field- some in other fields of work- all ages ranging from - 18-45 years of age;
A white male- age 43- HVAC supervisor- told me he hears the young guys - ages 18-28 talking about - " shaving the groin areas". I asked him - what reference are they discussing this issue- it was in the college-age-sports- jock talk- on the job site talk.
Now , I wonder, this person has a truck-or SUV- so I wondered who would drive them- in a rural-city area like Nevada- although the weather is warmer than the eastcoast and there is less- snow- so I started to notice in my regional areas- most people driving SUV's are moms with 1-3 small children- or I noticed a few dads- mostly women. Next , I noticed , many younger men driving a Cab-truck ages 20-40 = but, it seems they generally are in a work related need to be driving a truck, landscapers, delivery people, car/truck sales - rental cars- repair work.

Next was the untanned skin- I live in the cold-Northeast- but just driving around - my face-and forearms has a slightly tanner skin color - than the rest of my skin- that is not exposed- so this person could be driving around in this vehicle - and just getting day-to-day sun from driving. - the sun can reflect of the glass windows and get quite warm- even in colder weather, causing a possible face/forearms tan. This could also explain the athletics- my sons were in Hockey/Baseball - both were practiced indoor/outdoor and in seasonal weather and the sun tanned then on the hands, face and neck-

Lets look at what we have again:

White/male/Narcisistic
ages - 18-35
possible college student/ with athletic ability/campus access
outside and about - at 12:00pm til dawn - ( most young people stay up those hours), not unusual for the 18-30 years olds.
Height approximately close to 6' ( basketball, track, football, soccer) could be a coach, or student athlete. Sometimes coaches travel with student athlete- some people think just because a person is 18- its ok- to be in their company - even if your over 30 years. (That is not appropriate in my opinion.). But, its not unusal for coaches and their assistants to travel with athletes. Also the strength of an athlete could fit the tackle of the girls and the ambush. Tactics used in " football". Strangling the victims- or choke holds are in wrestling, football, - so maybe - this is the direction, of this crime. Sometimes assistants or coaches - live there dreams thru the students, there could be a very shy-angry coach or assistant, on these teams- who was ignored by girls- or bullied by the athletes.

That could explain alot of clues- the SUV could be college transport vehicles, that coaches put the equipment in. The POI could be a student, or coach, security , the victims are associated with the college, Maybe LE may want to look at the Athletic Roster to see where the "college games were played- in correlation to the victims attacks- if the games were " away games" or in the vicinity. That could explain the 8 1/2 x 11 sheets of paper- they could have been Game Schedules -

I would also check the sports avenues of the college- in the city- we have select sports in our colleges due to the weather-
Motorcross sports/ATV, driving is ususally reserved for rural lands - which means New Hampshire, Vermont , Maine and the western parts of Massachusetts. In Nevada - that may mean a different type of sports availability.

I wonder if the LE have checked to see what the boyfriend of Brianna had as hobbies- he may innocently, not know, there was danger- maybe he can assist police in some of the places - these young people were hanging out in-
As a mother of two adult college age sons- parents are always suprised to find out where there kids are going.

Just some thoughts- these are only my opinions- based on the information available to the public;

Thanks ,
Ms. Marple

Hi Everyone,
I was on lunch-break and went on-line to America's Most Wanted to see if there were any updates- I wonder if anyone knows - if the DNA blood spots found at the Brianna D. crime scene - near the pillow/couch are the POI'S. It appears from what I have read - that they are the suspects DNA . Now if they are - and Brianna was able to bite this person- there could be a possibe Tetnus Shot needed because its a bite drawing blood- and the infection could develop into a serious Gangreen infection. Maybe the hospitals should be on alert- it is a place as a clinic- that dispenses the shot- most likely your own family physician. A person needs to seek medical attention. Especially if this person needs his hands for sports or driving- working. Letting the areas hospitals, clinics and walk-in clinic services on-notice may help.

I also saw on AMW one of the victims - says the suspect had basketball-like long jogging pants- and a short sleeve-red shirt-made of Rayon/polyester/ with a possible logo-on the left breast shirt side. Could be a sports logo- a sponsor or a employment logo. Most people who wear logo clothing would be Hotels/Rest./Food Chains/ Golf/Sports Clubs./Team Coaches/Referee/Athletes/ Service Industry Businesses- which maybe LE can scan the areas for LOGO Red/Shirts- this person could change into the athletic pants-

I have seen that dress-on /coaches/off-duty officers/military/ athletes/cyclist/

Just some ideas-

Ms. Marple

I wonder if LE is checking court records, to see if someone has been recently divorced, lost custody of their child, etc.

This perp may have recently experienced a loss of some sort in that direction.

[Politigal]

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