Frustrated

[day2day]

Yep..it has been a very sad week here in the bluegrass state. Christa was taken from us in an instant. Helping people -thats what she always did...and this time it cost her-her life. As she helped a pregnant woman across an icy highway after a minor accident they were BOTH struck and killed by a coal truck. My community has lost a great paramedic and i have lost a great friend.

And my friend Jason-he has everything to live for. A wonderful wife, 2 beautiful littleones and great career...and the sad part-an addiction to opiates that he just can't beat. He tried to take his own life Tuesday night...he was not successful (thank GOD)..

And my littleone who thinks since there is NO school because of the hazardous roads (and the accident above) that my time is BEST spent making and delivering hot chocolate(with whipped cream) to her tray as she lays in MY bed in her jammies watching Game Plan (over and over)..
so YES-i am FRUSTRATED!

Which brings me to Mr. Gricar-
I have NEVER been to PA. -let alone Centre County..but after seeing Mr.Gricar's picture and reading about him -i had to know more..that brought me here...almost from day1.

BUT if you would have asked me then -if i thought this case would still be unsolved THREE years later i would not have said no-i would have said HELL NO!

Afterall-this man spent TWENTY years of his life serving the citizens of Centre County and surely if ANY missing persons case can be solved -this would be the one. (boy would i have been wrong)

I have watched nearly every interview Tony Gricar has done and cried watching him. This man has been through SO much in his life and still has the strength and courage to seek the truth. I am sure wherever Mr. Gricar is -he would be so proud.

As for PF-I have always had a "feeling" about her. I don't know why-can't explain it. I just think if she wasnt directly involved in Mr. Gricar's vanishing then she knows WAY more than she is saying..
I watched her interview -saw her "crocodile tears" and heard her words..YET imo her actions have NEVER seemed like the actions of one who has lost her "soulmate"..

Just one example: she goes to work DAILY for the man who single handedly holds this case BACK. IF my "soulmate" vanished -I would sweep the streets before I gave this man ONE ounce of my efforts. Period.

I have been told by several people that in crime-coincidences just DON'T exist..yet this case is FULL of them...

And every single person who posts here . You are all angels in my book. Even though we haven't always seen eye to eye. IF one of my loved ones vanished..I could only HOPE that you would all be here searching for the TRUTH..no matter how long it takes!!!

Someone ...somewhere needs to break the silence...It is killing me...
jmo....

[J. J. in Phila]

I'm sorry for your personal losses.

I'm actually seeing some hope and think that we might see more openness on the part of police.

Steve Biddle http://stbee.blogspot.com/2005_04_01_archive.html
Tuesday, April 19, 2005
Where's The District Attorney?
It's not too often that our little area of central Pennsylvania makes the national news. Unless, of course, Penn State has a great football season. So it's been awhile. And now, we're not stopping the presses at the New York Times topping the news on Fox or CNN. But this story is showing up here and there across the country, and it's the main topic of conversation 'round these parts.

Understandable, too. See, the Centre County District Attorney vanished on Friday. Poof. Read the story here, if you'd like. Ray Gricar's been the DA since 1985, and is known as a straight-shooter, serious fellow, not given to flamboyance. Although he's a prosecutor, those who know about these things really can't think of a single case he's prosecuted where someone would be likely to come gunning for him. No mental or medical problems as far as anyone knows, likewise no gambling debts.

On Friday morning about 11:30, Ray called his office, in which his girlfriend works as a clerk. He told her he was taking the day off, and was driving along Route 192 in Brush Valley, a picturesque rural area. That's fairly typical -- he often takes long drives in the country as a stress-buster. But that's the last anyone's heard of him.

On Saturday, they found his Mini-Cooper near the Susquehanna River in Lewisburg (that's about 45 miles from Bellefonte, the county seat of Centre County) and the home of Bucknell University. No sign of the DA. No evidence of foul play, either. He's just gone.

One odd note: About ten years ago, his brother, Roy Gricar, vanished without a trace. His body turned up in a river a couple of weeks later. His death was ruled a suicide by drowning.
[*] I have a feeling that this will become one of those mysteries which never gets solved. [/*]
That in April of 2015, the Centre Daily Times will do an article about how District Attorney Ray Gricar vanished without a trace ten years ago, and how the trail went cold long ago. Hope not. But that's what I think.
posted by Steve @ 4/19/2005 11:01:00 AM



Day, I think your initial belief that this reported case of Ray Gricar in April of 2005 would be solved is normal, don't you think that the above is rather RARE at that point in time??????????

According to his blog, he maintained, at that time, a rented apartment for work purposes as he & his wife's permanent residence sounds to be in Central PA. He doesn't appear to be blogging since 2006 is he still working in the area, I wonder.

Maybe Bellefonte BPD read his prediction & figured they need not conduct an investigation. Have thought a lot about this & we have seen cases where people have been "found" law enforcement makes a public announcement that they have been located that no foul play was involved, does not release the location to anybody & closes their case. There is NOTHING NORMAL ABOUT THE TREATMENT RAY GRICAR'S CASE HAS RECEIVED. Any other cases that has been treated in this manner is normally believed to be CORRUPT.

day2day: Sorry for your...most recent...loss. Hang in there.

Laws: SB is still at WPSU. Maybe you, or someone, should ask him why he felt that way.
http://wpsx.ois.psu.edu/www/wpsu.org/radio/contact.html

Originally posted by Serendipitous1 [*]day2day: Sorry for your...most recent...loss. Hang in there.

Laws: SB is still at WPSU. Maybe you, or someone, should ask him why he felt that way.
http://wpsx.ois.psu.edu/www/wpsu.org/radio/contact.html [/*]

Thank you for the link. I did post a question in that blog thinking that he would be informed of a new post but rethinking that I was completely wrong making such an assumption.

[J. J. in Phila]

You locals might wish to check the local news. Heard a rumor about remains being discovered.

[Politigal]

http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/co...id/503988.html

[Politigal]

the official report

http://extras.altoonamirror.com/Crim...ockview611.pdf

says it will take several months to possibly identify the remains

[Politigal]

http://www.visitpa.com/visitpa/tripg...gle+State+Park

location

[J. J. in Phila]

Official statement.

http://extras.altoonamirror.com/Crim...ockview611.pdf

[Politigal]

"Houston, we have contact......"

I'm betting this is Gricar. It's only about 12 miles from his home, 9 miles from Patty's brother's home, etc.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Politigal [*]"Houston, we have contact......"

I'm betting this is Gricar. It's only about 12 miles from his home, 9 miles from Patty's brother's home, etc. [/*]

Wrong direction, not on the road to Lewisburg. It would support a luring, but that distance is pretty far.

[Politigal]

Originally posted by J. J. in Phila [*]

Wrong direction, not on the road to Lewisburg. It would support a luring, but that distance is pretty far. [/*]

I'm going with murder...

[Politigal]

how very sad for RG's family having to wait this out....

[day2day]

Originally posted by J. J. in Phila [*]I'm sorry for your personal losses.

I'm actually seeing some hope and think that we might see more openness on the part of police. [/*]

Thank you JJ. And even though we havent always seen eye to eye..I really do admire you for hanging around!!!

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Politigal [*]

I'm going with murder... [/*]

I'm not going with this being RFG, since we don't even have the gender of the remains yet.

[day2day]

Originally posted by Laws [*]Steve Biddle http://stbee.blogspot.com/2005_04_01_archive.html
Tuesday, April 19, 2005
Where's The District Attorney?
It's not too often that our little area of central Pennsylvania makes the national news. Unless, of course, Penn State has a great football season. So it's been awhile. And now, we're not stopping the presses at the New York Times topping the news on Fox or CNN. But this story is showing up here and there across the country, and it's the main topic of conversation 'round these parts.

Understandable, too. See, the Centre County District Attorney vanished on Friday. Poof. Read the story here, if you'd like. Ray Gricar's been the DA since 1985, and is known as a straight-shooter, serious fellow, not given to flamboyance. Although he's a prosecutor, those who know about these things really can't think of a single case he's prosecuted where someone would be likely to come gunning for him. No mental or medical problems as far as anyone knows, likewise no gambling debts.

On Friday morning about 11:30, Ray called his office, in which his girlfriend works as a clerk. He told her he was taking the day off, and was driving along Route 192 in Brush Valley, a picturesque rural area. That's fairly typical -- he often takes long drives in the country as a stress-buster. But that's the last anyone's heard of him.

On Saturday, they found his Mini-Cooper near the Susquehanna River in Lewisburg (that's about 45 miles from Bellefonte, the county seat of Centre County) and the home of Bucknell University. No sign of the DA. No evidence of foul play, either. He's just gone.

One odd note: About ten years ago, his brother, Roy Gricar, vanished without a trace. His body turned up in a river a couple of weeks later. His death was ruled a suicide by drowning.
[*] I have a feeling that this will become one of those mysteries which never gets solved. [/*]
That in April of 2015, the Centre Daily Times will do an article about how District Attorney Ray Gricar vanished without a trace ten years ago, and how the trail went cold long ago. Hope not. But that's what I think.
posted by Steve @ 4/19/2005 11:01:00 AM



Day, I think your initial belief that this reported case of Ray Gricar in April of 2005 would be solved is normal, don't you think that the above is rather RARE at that point in time??????????

According to his blog, he maintained, at that time, a rented apartment for work purposes as he & his wife's permanent residence sounds to be in Central PA. He doesn't appear to be blogging since 2006 is he still working in the area, I wonder.

Maybe Bellefonte BPD read his prediction & figured they need not conduct an investigation. Have thought a lot about this & we have seen cases where people have been "found" law enforcement makes a public announcement that they have been located that no foul play was involved, does not release the location to anybody & closes their case. There is NOTHING NORMAL ABOUT THE TREATMENT RAY GRICAR'S CASE HAS RECEIVED. Any other cases that has been treated in this manner is normally believed to be CORRUPT. [/*]

Laws..
SO nice to see you !! I am again in shock ...

[day2day]

Originally posted by Serendipitous1 [*]day2day: Sorry for your...most recent...loss. Hang in there.

Laws: SB is still at WPSU. Maybe you, or someone, should ask him why he felt that way.
http://wpsx.ois.psu.edu/www/wpsu.org/radio/contact.html [/*]

Thanks S1..
For everything ...

[day2day]

Originally posted by J. J. in Phila [*]

I'm not going with this being RFG, since we don't even have the gender of the remains yet. [/*]

If I am not mistaken Cindy Song is also missing from this county?

[day2day]

Originally posted by Politigal [*]how very sad for RG's family having to wait this out.... [/*]

Right. I know I will be saying extra prayers for them. Im wonderin just how they found these remains

[Politigal]

Originally posted by day2day [*]

Thanks S1..
For everything ... [/*]

I found several articles online about the tragic accident....sorry you lost a friend

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22785087/

----

and on Howard, PA - wasn't Leathers from there?

[gstickley]

Do you realize how many times this particular area has previously been discussed on this forum? Do you realize how many posters have zeroed in on this particular area?

[Politigal]

Originally posted by day2day [*]

If I am not mistaken Cindy Song is also missing from this county? [/*]

that's true...I wonder how many other missing persons they have in that county?

[day2day]

Originally posted by Politigal [*]

I found several articles online about the tragic accident....sorry you lost a friend

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22785087/

----

and on Howard, PA - wasn't Leathers from there? [/*]

that is the accident pgal. (Sorry I should have posted a link)..
I am scramblin my brain tryin to think of what CB and the others visions were..
somethin bout 15?!..I cannot FIND my tape of her show (

[Politigal]

Originally posted by gstickley [*]Do you realize how many times this particular area has previously been discussed on this forum? Do you realize how many posters have zeroed in on this particular area? [/*]

that was the first area I looked at, after I eliminated walkaway in my mind....

only because of the park, the water there, etc. and the proximity to Bellefonte.

I wish Logic was here.....I know she posted a great deal about the area.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by day2day [*]

If I am not mistaken Cindy Song is also missing from this county? [/*]

As is Brenda Louise Condon, and she was last seen just south of Bellefonte.

Another possibility is a transient, hiker or hunter. A possible natural death.

TG has, unfortunately, been through this before.

[day2day]

Originally posted by gstickley [*]Do you realize how many times this particular area has previously been discussed on this forum? Do you realize how many posters have zeroed in on this particular area? [/*]

Eerie ...isn't it? I wonder HOW they freakin found this body..

[day2day]

Originally posted by J. J. in Phila [*]

As is Brenda Louise Condon, and she was last seen just south of Bellefonte.

Another possibility is a transient, hiker or hunter. A possible natural death.

TG has, unfortunately, been through this before. [/*]

I cant stop cryin here. Been one of those weeks for me. And for some odd reason (no i am in no way psychic) i have been worried about tg today.

[Politigal]

Originally posted by day2day [*]

I cant stop cryin here. Been one of those weeks for me. And for some odd reason (no i am in no way psychic) i have been worried about tg today. [/*]

I can usually tell when he's online because his little yahoo smiley face is lit up, but I just checked and he's not on right now.

[Politigal]

Originally posted by day2day [*]


Eerie ...isn't it? I wonder HOW they freakin found this body.. [/*]

yep - I'd like to know if it was a hiker, a hunter, or who that found the remains

[day2day]

Originally posted by Politigal [*]

I can usually tell when he's online because his little yahoo smiley face is lit up, but I just checked and he's not on right now. [/*]

Thanks pgal. If you talk to him please tell him I am thinkin bout him.

[day2day]

Originally posted by Politigal [*]

yep - I'd like to know if it was a hiker, a hunter, or who that found the remains [/*]

me too. this could be a long couple months

[Politigal]

If these remains are Gricar, and if he met with foul play or suicide, you would think that his keys, wallet, etc might possibly be there also.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Politigal [*]

I found several articles online about the tragic accident....sorry you lost a friend

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22785087/

----

and on Howard, PA - wasn't Leathers from there? [/*]

It was is the general area of the Leathers family.

“They basically had somebody eye it up,” Madeira said. “As I understand it, it’s more bones and bone fragments than it is an actual body.”

But Madeira said preliminary indications are the bones had been in Howard Township for a “long, long time.”

Edit: “More than five years, but that’s very preliminary,” Madeira said.

http://www.centredaily.com/news/brea...ry/356479.html

[day2day]

Originally posted by Politigal [*]If these remains are Gricar, and if he met with foul play or suicide, you would think that his keys, wallet, etc might possibly be there also. [/*]

I would hope so pgal.

[Politigal]

Originally posted by Serendipitous1 [*]“They basically had somebody eye it up,” Madeira said. “As I understand it, it’s more bones and bone fragments than it is an actual body.”

But Madeira said preliminary indications are the bones had been in Howard Township for a “long, long time.”

Edit: “More than five years, but that’s very preliminary,” Madeira said.

http://www.centredaily.com/news/brea...ry/356479.html [/*]

thanks for the update...

Is that normal procedure when skeletal remains being found there not being any description of how or who discovered them?

The few times it has happened in our area, they give ya some details, is everything a secret in PA?

[day2day]

Originally posted by Laws [*]Is that normal procedure when skeletal remains being found there not being any description of how or who discovered them?

The few times it has happened in our area, they give ya some details, is everything a secret in PA? [/*]

EVERYTHING is secret..

[J. J. in Phila]

If I had to bet, I'd bet Condon. She was last seen within 10 miles. Song and RFG were a bit sooner and last seen further away.