Drew Peterson's Victims??{Stacy/Kathleen)

Hello Everyone!!

I just thought I would start a new thread on Kathleen Savio. Although Drew was married to Kathleen and she died, she really doesn't have much to do with the search for Stacy, right now. I know a family friend came on here and asked that we keep our focus on Stacy and that Stacy's family reads these post's so I think a seperate location for discussion would be better.

[jewel6]

Originally posted by Jmylea [*]Hello Everyone!!

I just thought I would start a new thread on Kathleen Savio. Although Drew was married to Kathleen and she died, she really doesn't have much to do with the search for Stacy, right now. I know a family friend came on here and asked that we keep our focus on Stacy and that Stacy's family reads these post's so I think a seperate location for discussion would be better. [/*]

nicely put. jmo

[Adalena935]

Since law enforcement is doing a second look at Kathleen's death since Stacy's disappearance, it is nice to have a seperate thread for her.

[ELENDA100]

Greta's blog today said she was going to have some info tonight on Kathleen. Here is the link.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by ELENDA100 [*]Greta's blog today said she was going to have some info tonight on Kathleen. Here is the link.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/ [/*]

I was just reading that and was going to post the link. This is part of what's posted about tonite's upcoming show about Kathleen's death. Apparently Dr. Baden will go into more detail with his opinion of her autopsy report tonite.

My heart aches for this young woman and her surviving family. Especially her children.

"Was Sgt. Peterson’s wife# 3 (pictured above) murdered? The coronor said her death was an accident but was it? You might want to see the email Dr. Baden sent me about the autopsy of Sgt. Peterson’s wife #3 who died in the bathtub.

Plus, I just did a GretaCast with Dr. Baden that I will post in the next few hours in which he goes into greater detail. You can listen to Dr. Baden’s detailed discussion. In the GretaCast he says wife # 3 death was not an accident but in his opinion, a homicide. "


November 5th, 2007 3:53 PM Eastern

ETA: There's a pretty picture of her there.

Very sad Dear Santa letter from one of Kathleen's boys.
Just a snip was on Greta

All I want is my Dad to leave my Mom alone
Give her a divorce

You are absolutely correct in your facts, but just an aside. I served on a coroners inquest in Will County several years ago, I could swear there were more than six of us, seems like it was more like 8 jurors. Fyi, O'Neill owns a funeral home business in Lockport, Illinois. Before I served on this inquest jury, I thought he would of been a medical professional, but you are correct, he is only elected.

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by snoopyone [*]Very sad Dear Santa letter from one of Kathleen's boys.
Just a snip was on Greta

All I want is my Dad to leave my Mom alone
Give her a divorce [/*]

and; "..I don't want anything to happen to her.."

That poor child. Heartwrenching

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by GoldensGlitter [*]

You are absolutely correct in your facts, but just an aside. I served on a coroners inquest in Will County several years ago, I could swear there were more than six of us, seems like it was more like 8 jurors. Fyi, O'Neill owns a funeral home business in Lockport, Illinois. Before I served on this inquest jury, I thought he would of been a medical professional, but you are correct, he is only elected. [/*]

Your insight is appreciated.

Originally posted by snoopyone [*]Very sad Dear Santa letter from one of Kathleen's boys.
Just a snip was on Greta

All I want is my Dad to leave my Mom alone
Give her a divorce [/*]

Wasn't it, the pain this man has caused so many people is awful.

Originally posted by Jmylea [*]


Wasn't it, the pain this man has caused so many people is awful. [/*]

Plain and simple.........tragic. I cannot even imagine living in that environment. Poor children, it';s just sick.

[LoLo321]

It makes me furious to think how many lives he has ruined

[emdragon]

I can't remember who it was but the ME on Nancy Grace tonight has also seen the autopsy report. He did say that it wasn't a no brainer like Baden says.
He says he hopes they took good photo's because from what he read it really good go either way, accident or Homicide.

[cleo612]

Originally posted by emdragon [*]I can't remember who it was but the ME on Nancy Grace tonight has also seen the autopsy report. He did say that it wasn't a no brainer like Baden says.
He says he hopes they took good photo's because from what he read it really good go either way, accident or Homicide. [/*]

Do you remember who the ME was?

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by emdragon [*]I can't remember who it was but the ME on Nancy Grace tonight has also seen the autopsy report. He did say that it wasn't a no brainer like Baden says.
He says he hopes they took good photo's because from what he read it really good go either way, accident or Homicide. [/*]

I think if you take Kathleen's sister's description of the bath into account, it seems highly unlikely that it could have been an accident, imo. Apparently the bath was so small you couldn't even stretch your legs out straight when sitting in it.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by cleo612 [*]

Do you remember who the ME was? [/*]

I think it was Larry Koblinsky.

[emdragon]

Originally posted by cleo612 [*]

Do you remember who the ME was? [/*]

Here is the quote from the transcripts.

LARRY KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: Well, I`m very dubious. First of all, there`s no question that she died of drowning. That`s a non-issue. The issue is whether it was accidental or it was deliberate. And if you do look at the other trauma to the body, you find not just one or two abrasions and contusions, but you find many, and all over her body. And it is now questionable as to whether the laceration to the head happened as a result of a fall and then drowning.

then later in the show he has this to say

LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: I`ll tell you something. After looking at the autopsy report and seeing that there weren`t just a couple of abrasions and contusions, but there were eight documented items of trauma. And what they need to do now is go back, look at the photographs, the autopsy photographs, and determine when this bruising, when the abrasions took place. Was it perimortem or was it much prior?

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by cleo612 [*]This link was posted on the other thread.

Will County is considering exhumation of Kathleen's body.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=1.1.1 [/*]

Thanks cleo. That's what they need to look at if you ask me. At least they have Kathleen's body and her family too has long thought her death was no accident like the announcer said.

In my opinion if they don't look again at Kathleen's death then they just don't give a darn and are giving this probably 2X killer a pass on multiple murders.

The outrage.

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by LoLo321 [*]It makes me furious to think how many lives he has ruined [/*]

Isn't that the truth. Can you imagine the unmitigated audacity of such a person. They steamroll thru this old world never caring but for their own pety needs at the moment. people to them are just objects to be used and discarded at will and for his pleasure.

They so need to take a fresh look at Kathleen's death. Him being a cop makes you wonder how many other innocents he's killed to suit his own needs; under the protection of the law he swore to uphold.

If he's scrutinized now on these 2, you can bet he's hurt plenty more than anyone but God will ever know about and gotten away with it for a long long time.

http://www.amw.com/pdf/petersonemergency.pdf

Kathleen Peterson's emergency room visit

i can't help but to think about poor kathleen. she was crying out for help, but on deaf ears. i can't imagine her fear as she saw drew break in her house the day the unthinkable happened.
i also can't believe he cleaned up all the blood from the bathtub. sounds like he beat her and then put her into the tub, to stage the so-called accident.

when he came back to his house where stacy and his boys were, i would like to know what his demeanor was like. i would think stacy had to be feeling weird about the whole accident. but who knows what he told her (lies).

So according to that ER report Kathleen was 29 which means the abuse started very early on in their marriage.

altho SP disappearance brought attention to KP's death, it wil be KP's own documented words hopefully that will destroy DP.

[*]His (3rd wife) was buried in 2004. She was a perfectly healthy 40 year old woman. Dr Cyril Wecht is saying they will take tissues if any remain. But they are looking for head wounds etc. Howcome the Coroner didn't notice this when she was killed!

It's so obvious he is a Wife killer. I hope they arrest him soon.....he just became a suspect yesterday? C'mon, arrest the SOB! right?!

How eerie that it's another Peterson, and her daughter's name is Lacy Peterson. Also remember the author Michael Peterson? The staircase murderer from North Carolina who was found guilty on all accounts. Ok, I know I am going off the topic, but I thought I'd just mention it.
Jazzique[/*]

[DRJAN]

i AM SORRY TO SAY THAT I WORKED WITH SGT PJETERSON ON A CASE. I WORKED FOR THE COUNTY AND HAD TO GO INTO BOLINGBROOK FOR A CASE. MAY I SAY HE WAS A JERK. I KNOW HE KILLED KATHLEEN AS SOON AS I'M SITTING HERE . HE IS SLY LIKE A FOX.

[DRJAN]

PERSONALITY TRAITS OF SGT PETERSON. THIS IS A MAN WHO WOULD LIE TO GET OUT OF MISTAKES HES MADE JUST TO MAKE HIM LOOK GOOD. HE ONLY CARES ABOUT HIM SELF AND NO ONE ESLE. I NEVER KNEW HOW HE MADE SGT HE WAS GOOD AS A COP. I ONLY REALLY KNOWN HIM JUST FOR THAT ONE CASE AND EVEN THAT WAS TOO LONG .I CAUGHT HIM IN SOME LIES ABOUT THE CASE AFTER I DID THE FOOT WORK ON IT HE TAKES THE CREDIT. HE TREATS WOMEN LIKE CRAP, VERY CONTROLLING THEY CAN'T EVEN TALK TO THEIR OWN FAMILY.

I'm hearing on the news that the day Kathleen's body was discovered, Drew was bringing the children home after his weekend visit, and her doors were locked, so someone (who?) called a locksmith.

Then a neighbor (a guy who has been interviewed on the news) and his girlfriend went inside Kathleen's home, while Drew waited outside.

The neighbor and his girlfriend searched throughout the house, then discovered Kathleen's body in the bathtub. They both screamed, and Drew came running.

The neighbor said Drew appeared to be honestly shocked and distraught. The neighbor said the first thing Drew said was, "What will I tell my children? What will I tell my children?"

Did anyone else see this neighbor being interviewed? If so, please correct me if I am in error.

Also, my theory is that Drew murdered Kathleen early in the morning, while the children were asleep at his home. After murdering Kathleen, he locked her doors and left. Then when Drew brought his children back to Kathleen's, he summoned the help of the neighbor and let the neighbor enter Kathleen's home while he waited outside. Drew KNEW they would discover Kathleen's body.

I think Drew's alibi was that his children were with him, etc. That's why he murdered Kathleen early in the morning (say, 4:30 a.m.) while his children were asleep.

This makes sense to me. (trying to think like a killer)

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by AcesNQueens [*]I'm hearing on the news that the day Kathleen's body was discovered, Drew was bringing the children home after his weekend visit, and her doors were locked, so someone (who?) called a locksmith.

Then a neighbor (a guy who has been interviewed on the news) and his girlfriend went inside Kathleen's home, while Drew waited outside.

The neighbor and his girlfriend searched throughout the house, then discovered Kathleen's body in the bathtub. They both screamed, and Drew came running.

The neighbor said Drew appeared to be honestly shocked and distraught. The neighbor said the first thing Drew said was, "What will I tell my children? What will I tell my children?"

Did anyone else see this neighbor being interviewed? If so, please correct me if I am in error.

Also, my theory is that Drew murdered Kathleen early in the morning, while the children were asleep at his home. After murdering Kathleen, he locked her doors and left. Then when Drew brought his children back to Kathleen's, he summoned the help of the neighbor and let the neighbor enter Kathleen's home while he waited outside. Drew KNEW they would discover Kathleen's body.

I think Drew's alibi was that his children were with him, etc. That's why he murdered Kathleen early in the morning (say, 4:30 a.m.) while his children were asleep.

This makes sense to me. (trying to think like a killer) [/*]

I think Drew staged Kathleen's death.

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by kt5858 [*]altho SP disappearance brought attention to KP's death, it wil be KP's own documented words hopefully that will destroy DP. [/*]

Yes and her autopsy which news says they'll do next week. God rest her soul.

I agree with you that Kathleen is the key to solving these two cases and putting this monster away for good finally. Arrogant so & so. He thought he had gotten away with Kathleen's murder.

I'm so grateful the media has been spotlighting him.

Originally posted by Adalena935 [*]

I think Drew staged Kathleen's death. [/*]

Yes, Drew staged Kathleen Savio's death to make it appear she had fallen in the bathtub and died.

My point was, the children were visiting Drew that weekend, and that was Drew's alibi.

The man (neighbor) who discovered Kathleen Savio's body in the bathtub said there was "dried blood" in the tub.

My first thought was that Kathleen had been in the tub long enough for the blood to dry. She could have been there since 4:30 a.m.

That's why my theory is that Drew murdered Kathleen early in the morning (perhaps 4:30 a.m.) while his children were asleep at his home.

Having his children with him that weekend was Drew's alibi.

Just my theory!

Just another thought.

Drew heard the neighbor man and Kathleen's girlfriend screaming, and he ran into the bathroom.

When he saw Kathleen dead in the bathtub, Drew's first words (according to the neighbor) were, "What will I tell my kids?!! What will I tell my kids?!!"

Those words ring so hollow to me! Supposedly Drew is caught off-guard and shocked at the sight of Kathleen's body in the bathtub. His words "What will I tell my kids? What will I tell my kids?" sound scripted to me. Those are not the words I would expect.

Now, people may ask me 'how do you know what he would say?' but it's just my strong feelings that those words were scripted. Those just don't sound like the words from an experienced cop. Unless he was trying to sound like he was "shocked."

Originally posted by TexasPeppers [*]

IMO, someone should have filled that tub, put the stopper in it, locked the drain, as if taking a bath, and then calculated how long it would have taken for that tub to drain. Kathleen was found in a dry tub, after all.

At the very least, they would have found the minimum time that Kathleen would have been in the tub before she was found.

In other words, say it took 5 hours for the tub to leak/drain all the water out of it, then she had to have been there for at least 5 hours. Could put a whole new timeline into her TOD.

JMO [/*]

Yes, I thought of that, too. Some bathtub stoppers leak, whether they are the old-fashioned rubber stoppers on a chain, or the more modern stoppers.

It was reported on the news that the original coroner said Kathleen's fingers were wrinkled from being soaked in water. So therefore we know there was water in the tub at one time.

I suppose anybody could argue "how would anyone know for sure how full she would fill the tub" to take a bath. But I think, when bathing, most people fill a bathtub about 5-6 inches deep. But 3 years after the fact, it's too late for such a test.

Also, the tub being dry when Kathleen was discovered supports my theory that Drew probably left his kids asleep the previous night (meaning "early morning hours") and drove to Kathleen's house and killed her. Kathleen would have let Drew inside, if he told her something had happened to one of the kids, etc. I believe Drew staged it to look like Kathleen had fallen in the tub, and he probably filled the tub with water before he left. Then he left, closing and locking Kathleen's door behind him, and returned to his home before his kids woke up. But Drew didn't know the tub stopper leaked, so throughout the day, all the water in the tub drained out.

I believe having the kids with him for the weekend was Drew's alibi.

Geraldo asked the neighbor who discovered Kathleen's body why Drew sent HIM inside Kathleen's house, instead of going in himself, and he told Geraldo because there was tension between Drew and Kathleen, therefore Drew wasn't comfortable going inside.

But I think Drew didn't want to be the one to discover Kathleen's body.

This is how I see it at this stage!

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by AcesNQueens [*]Yes, Drew staged Kathleen Savio's death to make it appear she had fallen in the bathtub and died.

My point was, the children were visiting Drew that weekend, and that was Drew's alibi.

The man (neighbor) who discovered Kathleen Savio's body in the bathtub said there was "dried blood" in the tub.

My first thought was that Kathleen had been in the tub long enough for the blood to dry. She could have been there since 4:30 a.m.

That's why my theory is that Drew murdered Kathleen early in the morning (perhaps 4:30 a.m.) while his children were asleep at his home.

Having his children with him that weekend was Drew's alibi.

Just my theory! [/*]

I haven't had time to follow this case very much so I honestly don't know all that's been said about Kathleen's death or the circumstances surrounding it.

But I do recall from Greta's show that he was bringing the kids back from their weekend visit with him when her body was 'discovered'.

It will be interesting to learn more details of her death and how long they think she was dead. One of the most telling aspects is she warned ahead of time that she feared the inevitable; that he would kill her.

If my mate wrote down that he feared me I'd hire body guards to protect him at all cost lest he turn up dead.

Not old drew peterson, tho. Such confidence in one's self we've rarely been privy to. And rightly placed it was up until wife #4 went missing. Because he has never been checked on Kathleen's death.

I really dislike the man.

There's just something about Steve...

I keep looking for proof he's lying. Kathleen Savio's family had never heard of him until recently. Nobody had ever told them that "Steve" had discovered Kathleen's body in the tub. Hmmmm.

Tonight on GVS when Steve was asked what kind of a tub it was, he sort of hemmed and hawed, then he mumbled something about it being an oval shape. I've searched, but can't find a description of the tub Kathleen was found in. Some links call it a bathtub, while others refer to it as a whirlpool tub. I just want to know if it was indeed oval.

Maybe I just don't like Steve because he seems to hold up for Drew, saying Drew seemed genuinely shocked when he came into the bathroom and saw Kathleen in the tub. I think I would recognize "genuine" shock and "feigned shock." Maybe that's why I question anything Steve has to say.

I mean, if Steve thought Drew was "genuinely" shocked, and Steve also says there was no blood in Kathleen's hair... when the coroner's report said she had a gash in her scalp and her hair was matted with blood... that makes me question anything and everything Steve says.

Maybe Steve just wants his 15 minutes of fame...

[Mayasmimi]

Originally posted by AcesNQueens [*]There's just something about Steve...

I keep looking for proof he's lying. Kathleen Savio's family had never heard of him until recently. Nobody had ever told them that "Steve" had discovered Kathleen's body in the tub. Hmmmm.

Tonight on GVS when Steve was asked what kind of a tub it was, he sort of hemmed and hawed, then he mumbled something about it being an oval shape. I've searched, but can't find a description of the tub Kathleen was found in. Some links call it a bathtub, while others refer to it as a whirlpool tub. I just want to know if it was indeed oval.

Maybe I just don't like Steve because he seems to hold up for Drew, saying Drew seemed genuinely shocked when he came into the bathroom and saw Kathleen in the tub. I think I would recognize "genuine" shock and "feigned shock." Maybe that's why I question anything Steve has to say.

I mean, if Steve thought Drew was "genuinely" shocked, and Steve also says there was no blood in Kathleen's hair... when the coroner's report said she had a gash in her scalp and her hair was matted with blood... that makes me question anything and everything Steve says.

Maybe Steve just wants his 15 minutes of fame... [/*]

The blood in the hair makes me crazy. Was there or wasn't there?

Bathtub is easier. I saw a pic. Tiny, deep, garden tub. Very small. I'm 5'8". I had one just like that. Either I sit up and my legs barely fit in water, or I lay down and legs.....almost every bit....out of water. KS did not drown in that bathtub. My opinion.

AND.....grown women with thick, long hair (I am one) don't wash hair in a bathtub......really....read back. We don't.

Originally posted by Mayasmimi

The blood in the hair makes me crazy. Was there or wasn't there?

Bathtub is easier. I saw a pic. Tiny, deep, garden tub. Very small. I'm 5'8". I had one just like that. Either I sit up and my legs barely fit in water, or I lay down and legs.....almost every bit....out of water. KS did not drown in that bathtub. My opinion.

AND.....grown women with thick, long hair (I am one) don't wash hair in a bathtub......really....read back. We don't.

Hello MayasM,

First of all, I agree about the hair. It doesn't make sense for a woman with long, thick hair to leave it down and let it get wet in a tub.

Also, I've never heard of a "garden" tub. Could you describe one? And did you notice water hoses, etc., that would indicate the tub was a whirlpool type? Also, was it oval, like Steve said?

I wonder why we aren't hearing anything from the lady who went inside with Steve, who ALSO saw Kathleen's body in the tub. She is mysteriously missing and silent, isn't she?

I want to hear her side of the story. I want to know if she saw blood in Kathleen's hair. And I want her opinion of whether or not Drew appeared to be "genuinely" shocked.

Also, I want to know if Drew REALLY said, "What will I tell my kids? What will I tell my kids?" That's the last thing I would expect anyone to say under those circumstances. I mean, in ONE SPLIT SECOND he thought of his kids??

I think anyone, even an "experienced cop," would be shocked to unexpectedly find Kathleen dead in her tub. For a few moments, I think he would be in denial at what he was seeing, and it would take a moment or two to fully grasp the situation! I think an "innocent" person would probably say something more like, "Oh my god!" or "Oh no!" or cry out her name, "Kathleen!!"

It's unlikely ANYONE would immediately think of their kids. That is, UNLESS THEY HAD BEEN WONDERING ALL DAY WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO TELL THE KIDS!

IMO - A&Q

P.S. - Let me know about the shape of that tub! TIA!

Sorry, I'm just trying to understand your post!

What woman are you referring to when you say "Could it be possible that this woman is afraid of DP or he put some kind of fear into her? I would think that with all of this coming out now that she may be in hiding and does not want to come forward. The only other thing I can think of is that maybe there was not another woman there, or something has happened to her."

Wife #1? Stacy?

Maybe there was not another woman there? What woman, where?

TIA!

A&Q

[watchu]

The body has been exhumed.... They family was notified too late to be there, but there was a priest at the families request....

for Kitty's family!

[lilismom]

I just read the autopsy report. I'm no doctor but wouldn't you expect it to say "significant" pulmonary edema if she drowned and not "moderate"? It also just says "water in the ethmoid sinuses". Wouldn't you expect it to say something about the amount of water there too?

Why is only her left hand wrinkled? Why not both? Why not her feet too? Do they mean DRY tub as in no water or that the entier tub was dry? How was the tub dry if her one hand was still wrinkled? I would think that the amount of time it took for the tub to completely dry, her hand wouldn't be wrinkled anymore. I still can't get a visual of this tub. Anyone got a pic?

IMO,
Lilismom

[WillowInFlight]

Originally posted by lilismom [*]I just read the autopsy report. I'm no doctor but wouldn't you expect it to say "significant" pulmonary edema if she drowned and not "moderate"? It also just says "water in the ethmoid sinuses". Wouldn't you expect it to say something about the amount of water there too?

Why is only her left hand wrinkled? Why not both? Why not her feet too? Do they mean DRY tub as in no water or that the entier tub was dry? How was the tub dry if her one hand was still wrinkled? I would think that the amount of time it took for the tub to completely dry, her hand wouldn't be wrinkled anymore. I still can't get a visual of this tub. Anyone got a pic?

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

From what I heard the tub was dry but her hair was soaked, could have been blood, But I have never heard if water was found in her lungs either.