Psst...Tom Corbett-Can We Talk?

[day2day]

MAY 13, 2005

http://www.centredaily.com/news/ray_...tory/3777.html

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Seeing as this article is 2+ years old maybe it is TIME for Mr. Corbett to step up and do a little investigation of his own. Obviously, this case is going nowhere fast and can use ALL the "outside" help available.

Honestly..i have seen more interest in a missing pup case than i have in Mr. Gricar's and it really is getting OLD.


As the top law enforcement officer of the state, shouldn't he have a valid interest in finding out what happened to the top law enforcement officer of one of his 67 counties? Or is it now acceptable that his DA'S just "vanish without a trace?" Either way ..I wanna know the answer!


JMO

[day2day]

What DEPRESSES me (which is what this thread is about)..is the fact that Mr. Corbett along with countless others pretend that NOTHING ever happened to Mr. Gricar..

and that is a freakin shame!

[Politigal]

Hopefully, police *are* still investigating, and hopefully they are no longer looking at walkaway or suicide.

Considering the following comments - hopefully they *ARE* focusing on Homicide.

DA Ted McKnight
http://tinyurl.com/3bnbkq
"It reconfirms in my mind that he's the object of foul play," said Clinton County District Attorney Ted McKnight.

Police Chief Dixon
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive...05dnews-01.asp
"I believe he is no longer with us," Dixon said, "but that's just my personal opinion."

Gricar’s Family (from the link above)
Because the hard drive is missing, Ray Gricar's family members are beginning to believe he was a victim of foul play, Tony Gricar said.

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive...05dnews-07.asp

Lara Gricar
Gricar's nephew, Tony, said Lara Gricar has had no contact with her father and no longer thinks he is alive.

Tony Gricar
"Ray's daughter is the most important thing to him -- his world," he said. "He hasn't let his daughter know he's OK, so we have to really realize he's probably not alive at this point."

http://www.realcities.com/mld/centre...r/12208972.htm

Chris Gricar
“If I was a gambling man, homicide would be a heavy favorite,” Chris Gricar said.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/centre...r/12556820.htm

Darrel Zaccagni
Zaccagni said that as time goes on, homicide becomes a more viable explanation for Ray Gricar's disappearance, especially because of how and where the laptop was found.

"Homicide becomes a more viable explanation"

Amen to that

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[day2day]

IMO it is going to take a very NEW set of eyes..like TOM CORBETT'S to move this case forward. 2+ years of Detz and others investigating this case has done ZILCH.

As for the pic pgal posted-to me it proves PF's point. The man looked TIRED. Like a man who could have even walked away from it all..

[Politigal]

Originally posted by Serendipitous1 [*]http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news....d=576361&rfi=6


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So, do you believe the DeNaples/Corbett link has something to do with Gricar's disappearance?

Originally posted by day2day

As for the pic pgal posted-to me it proves PF's point. The man looked TIRED. Like a man who could have even walked away from it all.

I thought you did NOT believe RG just up and walked away from his daughter and his career and his constituents, etc.

Like Pgal, I have to ask whether you have had a change of heart.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by day2day [*]IMO it is going to take a very NEW set of eyes..like TOM CORBETT'S to move this case forward. 2+ years of Detz and others investigating this case has done ZILCH.

As for the pic pgal posted-to me it proves PF's point. The man looked TIRED. Like a man who could have even walked away from it all.. [/*]

Okay let's not read too much into one photo.

RFG may have:

1. Been concerned about the spread of drugs in Centre County.

2. Been respectfully listening to the AG.

3. Worked late the night before and just tired that day.

4. Been tired for a while.

5. Been depressed.

6. Been worried about something, personal or professional.

7. Been thinking, **In just a few weeks, I'll be putting all this crap behind me, thank God.**

We can read any of those things, or a combination of those things, into this, but we don't even know the exact context of what was happening in the room when the picture was taken. This more reflects our views than what really happened (including my multiple possibilities).

Now that said, either the Corbett or MM should send this to a new set of eyes. Either can impanel a grand jury, which could investigate.

[Tree_of_Life]

Didn't Tony say something about this picture that to him it looked like he was angry?

[Cloudbuster]

I gotta go with this one--I would be shocked if Corbett or MM would do anything with this case other than give who ever tries a pacifer to suck on.

Can no one see that they are not in positions to do anything because that in itself tells you that SOMEONE who sits way higher???? than them is NOT to be reckoned with. Why don't anybody understand what they see on this case? These folks have family and positions they love now, why would they jeabordize that? Or possibly their life?

You had Dixon who supposedly retired- end up with a Sheriff job?
You got Det Z who had a position created for him at a school?
You got someone now in there we have not heard a peep from?
You had Weaver come in from Fergunson?
You had PB drop the ball on investagating? PB gets a new job at CDT thus leaves Johnstown.
You had Erin N promoted?
You had MM get in (who was described as kicking the dirt where it needed kicked?))
You had KA given hours to vacate her position 2 hrs that is. (could be that she worked for Ray)?
BTW we have PF who has no real power.

Just step back and really exam this. Maybe we are just looking at the wrong things here. Where is the main HEAD QUATERS for the drug task as in DEA headquaters. If you have one double crosser then a whole ripple effect can happen with lots of P_I_N_G_S


JMOO--slips by to cover the eyes up. Blindfold myself again. I see nothing now.

[day2day]

Originally posted by UndertheRadar [*]

I thought you did NOT believe RG just up and walked away from his daughter and his career and his constituents, etc.

Like Pgal, I have to ask whether you have had a change of heart. [/*]

UTR-to be honest i have no idea what happened. In a perfect world NO Dad would ever walk away from his children, but we both know it happens everyday.
I would hope that he didn't just up and walk away..but he did pay pf's mortgage off ..he did buy her a car..LG will get his retirement and the monies left in his account. So they are taken care of.
I just think he looks tired.

[day2day]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster [*]I gotta go with this one--I would be shocked if Corbett or MM would do anything with this case other than give who ever tries a pacifer to suck on.

Can no one see that they are not in positions to do anything because that in itself tells you that SOMEONE who sits way higher???? than them is NOT to be reckoned with. Why don't anybody understand what they see on this case? These folks have family and positions they love now, why would they jeabordize that? Or possibly their life?

You had Dixon who supposedly retired- end up with a Sheriff job?
You got Det Z who had a position created for him at a school?
You got someone now in there we have not heard a peep from?
You had Weaver come in from Fergunson?
You had PB drop the ball on investagating? PB gets a new job at CDT thus leaves Johnstown.
You had Erin N promoted?
You had MM get in (who was described as kicking the dirt where it needed kicked?))
You had KA given hours to vacate her position 2 hrs that is. (could be that she worked for Ray)?
BTW we have PF who has no real power.

Just step back and really exam this. Maybe we are just looking at the wrong things here. Where is the main HEAD QUATERS for the drug task as in DEA headquaters. If you have one double crosser then a whole ripple effect can happen with lots of P_I_N_G_S


JMOO--slips by to cover the eyes up. Blindfold myself again. I see nothing now. [/*]

Great post Cloudbuster and oh so true.

[Cloudbuster]

Thx D2d! I just keep seeing so many hands being held and heads that turn away. When its this bad it smells to the high heavens. This is not a conspairacy that we have here, but a pure all out troop withdrawal. You got one baaaa sheep following the other. The ripple tide flows in and the waves have gotton high, so high all must escape the storm. There are those that sit in positions that really are in what should I say? hmmm control.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster

You had Dixon who supposedly retired- end up with a Sheriff job?
You got Det Z who had a position created for him at a school?
You got someone now in there we have not heard a peep from?
You had Weaver come in from Fergunson?
You had PB drop the ball on investagating? PB gets a new job at CDT thus leaves Johnstown.
You had Erin N promoted?
You had MM get in (who was described as kicking the dirt where it needed kicked?))

Dixon announced his retirement before RFG disappeared.

Z left after more than a year.

It's either Weaver or someone else, once Dixon leaves.

EN going and PB coming in seems to be outside of the realm of LE completely, but they change personnel at newspapers.

The DA's position would be filled by someone else in 8 months, had RFG not disappeared.

You had KA given hours to vacate her position 2 hrs that is. (could be that she worked for Ray)?
BTW we have PF who has no real power.

You also have what has been described as a "mudslinging campaign " waged by JKA against her new boss, MM. Again, some of JKA's activities after the disappearance are suspicious, but they don't point to murder.

There would also be the question of why? RFG was leaving in eight months; why would their a need for a coverup in this, and since the PSP were involved, how could something in Centre County lead them to be part of it?

[Cloudbuster]

JJ depends on what Ray was unto too. JJ where do funds and such come from for the county itself???? If one was to find something out and wanted something done about it then what? Does a ripple begin? Can that have a ping effect? You gotta really think about that one.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster
JJ depends on what Ray was unto too. JJ where do funds and such come from for the county itself???? If one was to find something out and wanted something done about it then what? Does a ripple begin? Can that have a ping effect? You gotta really think about that one.

Funds for the county generally come from property taxes.

I'm not entirely clear what else you are asking.

[day2day]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster [*]Thx D2d! I just keep seeing so many hands being held and heads that turn away. When its this bad it smells to the high heavens. This is not a conspairacy that we have here, but a pure all out troop withdrawal. You got one baaaa sheep following the other. The ripple tide flows in and the waves have gotton high, so high all must escape the storm. There are those that sit in positions that really are in what should I say? hmmm control. [/*]

Anytime CB...anytime!
And once again..you are 100% correct. And it really makes me mad that there really is NOTHING we can do about it..but stand by and watch it happen..(like a very bad car wreck)..

[Cloudbuster]

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[Cloudbuster]

D2D your are most right! Its so very frustrating!!! I put links above this post that sorta goes with S1's post. T Corbett used to be in landfill business. Funny how many oppose this and such. I think RG would be highly against this too after all he did tip off
the DEP or EPA on a landfill issue before. Funny the INC is headed quatered or was from Lancaster? Another DA comes to mind?

MOO

[day2day]

It amazes me that Tom Corbett can be SO concerned about Mr. Gricar..yet 2+ years after he "vanished" Corbett has done nothing to help solve this case.

it is as puzzling to me as pf crying crocodile tears on dateline and then doing nearly nothing to search for Mr. Gricar.

Whats wrong with these people..?


jmo....

[day2day]

Originally posted by J. J. in Phila [*]


Dixon announced his retirement before RFG disappeared.

[/*]

I sure don't remember reading it...

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by day2day [*]

I sure don't remember reading it... [/*]

I believe it was in both news stories and the CDT Forum.

I;m in general agreement with your comment about Corbett, but I don't believe that he was in the landfill business.

[Politigal]

Originally posted by J. J. in Phila [*]

I believe it was in both news stories and the CDT Forum.

I;m in general agreement with your comment about Corbett, but I don't believe that he was in the landfill business. [/*]

Dixon did not announce until after the disappearance (according to this article)

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_333427.html

[day2day]

Originally posted by J. J. in Phila [*]

I believe it was in both news stories and the CDT Forum.

I;m in general agreement with your comment about Corbett, but I don't believe that he was in the landfill business. [/*]

Thanks JJ. I don't remember that at all--but i believe you!

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Politigal [*]

Dixon did not announce until after the disappearance (according to this article)

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_333427.html [/*]

I think the key phrase in the that article was:

Dixon said he had been looking into retirement plans before the prosecutor vanished and that his potential departure would not affect the investigation.

[Politigal]

Originally posted by J. J. in Phila [*]

I think the key phrase in the that article was:

Dixon said he had been looking into retirement plans before the prosecutor vanished and that his potential departure would not affect the investigation. [/*]

We were discussing about when he *announced* he was retiring....

keep up

[Cloudbuster]

Dixon might have said he plannedto retire but why leave out that he was actually going to Arizona to be a SHERIFF? Thats a little different than retiring?

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Politigal [*]

We were discussing about when he *announced* he was retiring....

keep up [/*]

It was known prior to RFG's disappearance that Dixon was leaving; it wasn't RFG vanishes then Dixon springs a surprise.

[day2day]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster [*]Dixon might have said he plannedto retire but why leave out that he was actually going to Arizona to be a SHERIFF? Thats a little different than retiring? [/*]

He left that part out CB....

[tonyGricar]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster [*]Dixon might have said he plannedto retire but why leave out that he was actually going to Arizona to be a SHERIFF? Thats a little different than retiring? [/*]

He had the retirement loosely in process prior to Ray disappearing. What he did, while you may find it odd, is something I'm quite used to. It's called "double dipping" and is done by teachers, principals, supers, and the various levels of LE on a daily basis.

Basically, Dixon had his years in, but was still quite young. He "retired" and moved to AZ where he took another job. He is able to receive his pension, as well as his current, full sheriff's salary. In educational circles, it started out as controversial, but is now accepted practice, especially when it comes to districts who would possibly otherwise lose out on good teachers or administration. (I have one friend who's father makes almost 300k a year now, instead of his prior 200k salary. Who wouldn't take advantage of that?)

So, even though I thought it sucked that we had such a high level turnover early in Ray's case, I in no way whatsoever find it odd at all. It's common practice.

[Cloudbuster]

Thanks Tony!!! It makes more sense to me now. It's just in this case every little thing stands out and even the smallest things can be observed as out of the ordinary lol. If they had put he was going into a new job in Arizona even that would have looked suspious roflmao. Your explanation makes alot of sense.

[Politigal]

Pete Bosak's response to my question

QIn your opinion, why does District Attorney Michael Madeira refuse to turn the case over to the Attorney General? And, doesn't that appear a little suspicious on his part?
Debbie Taylor, Arlington, TX 11/04/07

AHi Debbie and thanks for the question. It's not that Michael refused to hand over the investigation to the AG. The AG has said repeatedly, and Tom Corbett has told me personally, that his office has no more resources that he can bring to the table than what already has been done. Simply put, the state Attorney General's Office cannot offer anything more than what's already been done.
Pete Bosak 12/07/07

no more resources?????

what a crock

Just a new "set of eyes" alone would be worth it IMO

Originally posted by Politigal [*]Pete Bosak's response to my question

QIn your opinion, why does District Attorney Michael Madeira refuse to turn the case over to the Attorney General? And, doesn't that appear a little suspicious on his part?
Debbie Taylor, Arlington, TX 11/04/07

AHi Debbie and thanks for the question. It's not that Michael refused to hand over the investigation to the AG. The AG has said repeatedly, and Tom Corbett has told me personally, that his office has no more resources that he can bring to the table than what already has been done. Simply put, the state Attorney General's Office cannot offer anything more than what's already been done.
Pete Bosak 12/07/07

no more resources?????

what a crock

Just a new "set of eyes" alone would be worth it IMO [/*]

I thought the justification for not turning it over was "failure to fit criteria," not lack of resources.

[J. J. in Phila]

UTR, the only things that I could firgure is that:

1. LE checked everything, and I don't think they did.

2. LE knows what happened and is covering it up, and I cannot think of any reason why. Even if they had evidence of some massive criminal activities on RFG's part (which I doubt), I cannot find any reason to do it.

I'm saying that the reason PB was given (or is giving) for rejecting the case doesn't seem to match the previous reason given for rejecting the case.

[Politigal]

This link that I posted in the links thread has several articles that deal with Bellefonte not relinquishing the case to anyone else

http://tinyurl.com/2zwjs2

[Politigal]

From my interpretation, it looks like Madeira is the hold up.

[Politigal]

Is there possibly some reason that Corbett wanted Madeira in office sooner or Gricar out sooner, than if Gricar had served out his term?

Corbett was endorsing Madeira in a big press conference 5/12/05

http://www.madeiraforda.com/

“Michael Madeira's dedication to making Centre County a safer place to live, work, and raise a family is unsurpassed. Michael's 14 years as a prosecutor - 12 as a top drug prosecutor in my office - make him not only ideally qualified to serve as District Attorney, but the best and clear choice to serve as Centre County's next District Attorney.”

– Hon. Tom Corbett,
Pennsylvania Attorney General

I know I'm grasping here...

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by Politigal [*]Is there possibly some reason that Corbett wanted Madeira in office sooner or Gricar out sooner, than if Gricar had served out his term?

Corbett was endorsing Madeira in a big press conference 5/12/05

http://www.madeiraforda.com/

“Michael Madeira's dedication to making Centre County a safer place to live, work, and raise a family is unsurpassed. Michael's 14 years as a prosecutor - 12 as a top drug prosecutor in my office - make him not only ideally qualified to serve as District Attorney, but the best and clear choice to serve as Centre County's next District Attorney.”

– Hon. Tom Corbett,
Pennsylvania Attorney General

I know I'm grasping here... [/*]

But Madeira still didn't get in office any sooner. Mark Smith was the DA until after the election. Do you mean he wanted someone else in office until Madeira was in, instead of RG? Maybe he had someone coming to trial and didn't want RG trying them? It couldn't be the drug case because Madeira was the one doing that case. Something else?

[J. J. in Phila]

UTR, PB hasn't given me a confirmed reason on why the the AG won't handle the case. What he's said relates directly to the "better friend" comment, i.e. why a better friend thinks it was a walkaway. It deals with a motivation.

There was a possible, perhaps likely, motivation exhibited by RFG to walkaway, but, as I've said previously, we cannot "know" the minds of any of the principles. To me, finding out that RFG may have had a motivation for walking away, even from a good source, might increase the odds of walkaway, might boost the odds of walkaway, but not hugely.

If you remember TOL friend, let's assume that that the source was much better, and that there was more than one source. That might be enough to establish a motive of why RFG walked away. That just refers to motive, but not the means of walking away.

Means are the key in this case, not that there was some motive.