Sunday Sept 23rd, 2007 Michelle Young

Good morning, all!

I hope you are enjoying your weekend.

Good morning, and thank you for starting a new thread.

I will move my question here:

There was an interesting discussion last night regarding luggage. Is there any concrete information about the luggage examined by LE?

jmo

Originally posted by RPD


Other than the items seized and itemized in the SW, there is no credible information on the number, descriptions and to whom the various luggage items belonged to. imo

That is unfortunate. It would be very telling, imo, to know whether there were clothes for more than an overnight business trip.

jmo

[Tacori]

Originally posted by Dida
Good morning, and thank you for starting a new thread.

I will move my question here:

There was an interesting discussion last night regarding luggage. Is there any concrete information about the luggage examined by LE?

jmo

Luggage confiscated

"When Jason Young arrived back in the Raleigh area, the sheriff's office impounded his sport utility vehicle with all of the luggage belonging to him, his mother, sister and brother-in-law, he said.

McIntyre said he told Jason Young to get a lawyer. He said he was afraid that police would pin the death on his stepson, regardless of evidence.

"I do not want my son to be talking to any type of investigators," he said. "They're not going to be trustworthy when they talk to him."

McIntyre criticized the sheriff's office for not immediately returning the belongings, which included medical prescriptions, purses and cell phones.

The items will be returned once investigators are finished with them, said Phyllis Stephens, spokeswoman for the sheriff's office."

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/507222.html

I just reviewed the search warrants again, and did not see one for the contents of the SUV. Has it been released?

jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Dida


That is unfortunate. It would be very telling, imo, to know whether there were clothes for more than an overnight business trip.

jmo

I agree. It's quite possible and likely that Jason might have unloaded a few of his luggage pieces in Brevard to make room for his parent's luggage before returning to Raleigh.

However, evidence of a "messy" or empty closet (lack of his clothes and shoes) might form the basis of his having taken more luggage from the house even tho the SUV was absent of several pieces of his luggage.


eta: I think he probably unloaded all of his luggage in Brevard, repacked, and then re-loaded only 1-2 pieces of his luggage.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Dida
Good morning, and thank you for starting a new thread.

I will move my question here:

There was an interesting discussion last night regarding luggage. Is there any concrete information about the luggage examined by LE?

jmo

Hi Everyone!

Personally, I don't believe there was anything of evidentiary value among the garments, other than a means of obtaining DNA samples from the uncooperative wearers perhaps.

JY had ample time to dispose of/launder items of clothing he might have worn that fateful night.

IMO

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I agree. It's quite possible and likely that Jason might have unloaded a few of his luggage pieces in Brevard to make room for his parent's luggage before returning to Raleigh.

However, evidence of a "messy" or empty closet (lack of his clothes and shoes) might form the basis of his having taken more luggage from the house even tho the SUV was absent of several pieces of his luggage.


eta: I think he probably unloaded all of his luggage in Brevard, repacked, and then re-loaded only 1-2 pieces of his luggage.

Okay, sometimes I am a little slow! So it was Jason's closet that was a mess? A mess like Michelle grabbed clothes out of there and packed FOR him maybe? Or someone was angry and grabbing things out of there?

This discussion raises a new set of questions for me.

Would a SW be required for the SUV and its contents? If so, it apparently has not been released. Does that mean there are other SWs that have not been released?

In what way, exactly, was the closet "messy"? Did it appear as though many of the contents were missing?

How long would it have been before the crime scene was released and JY allowed back into the house to retrieve his personal belongings/clothing? Did he indeed have clothing in luggage that he left at his parents' home?

jmo

Originally posted by RPD


Page 4

Only 12 items listed. Is there a missing page for items #13 + ?
http://html.wral.com/asset/news/loca...ant_1-5-07.swf

How old is Cassidy now? The search warrant calls her a 3 year old then, so I am wondering.

Originally posted by RPD



Hard to say ? Mine is always a mess and I am a good boy.

With all the troll activity, I am forgetting some little things. Good thing is, the prosecutors will have it all in a nice package to present to the jury. I wonder how long it will take to present their case.

Originally posted by RPD


Dida, see the link I posted above. This is the SW for the SUV.

RPD, the link does not work for me. Is your link for the SW that includes the airline ticket?

Originally posted by RPD


She was 2 at the time.

That's what I thought. Thanks

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by springflowers35



Okay, sometimes I am a little slow! So it was Jason's closet that was a mess? A mess like Michelle grabbed clothes out of there and packed FOR him maybe? Or someone was angry and grabbing things out of there?

I believe the "messy" closet was an unsubstantiated rumor (((where it later took on the spin of a robbery, which then spun into the missing jewelry and jewelry box drawers)))?

Personally, I believe there was a "messy" closet, but not sure why it was messy or seemingly important enough to later spin the other stuff.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Dida


(snipped)

How long would it have been before the crime scene was released and JY allowed back into the house to retrieve his personal belongings/clothing?

I don't believe Jason ever requested any of his personal belongings/clothes from the Birchleaf house during the 13-14 days of the secured crime scene.

Maybe he felt as tho he had sufficient personal belongings/clothes & shoes to last him until the crime scene was released or maybe he borrowed some clothes from a friend or his BIL?

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I don't believe Jason ever requested any of his personal belongings/clothes from the Birchleaf house during the 13-14 days of the secured crime scene.

Maybe he felt as tho he had sufficient personal belongings/clothes & shoes to last him until the crime scene was released or maybe he borrowed some clothes from a friend or his BIL?

True, I suppose he could easily have borrowed enough clothes.

jmo

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by RPD
===IMPORTANT===

Look carefully at page 4 - items seized. At the bottom of that page it says 'over". You can see barely see the other side showing through the copy......item 13, 14 and 15 are there

Guess i will be going down to the Clerk of Court Monday to see what these items are

http://html.wral.com/asset/news/loca...ant_1-5-07.swf

Yes, I can see the word "over", and a couple of inches below that, what might be another circled number, although I can't make it out.

Originally posted by RPD
===IMPORTANT===

Look carefully at page 4 - items seized. At the bottom of that page it says 'over". You can see barely see the other side showing through the copy......item 13, 14 and 15 are there

Guess i will be going down to the Clerk of Court Monday to see what these items are

http://html.wral.com/asset/news/loca...ant_1-5-07.swf

Thank you, RPD!

Originally posted by RPD



Hard to say ? Mine is always a mess and I am a good boy.

Prove it? Not so easy is it? . JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by RPD
===IMPORTANT===

Look carefully at page 4 - items seized. At the bottom of that page it says 'over". You can see barely see the other side showing through the copy......item 13, 14 and 15 are there

Guess i will be going down to the Clerk of Court Monday to see what these items are

http://html.wral.com/asset/news/loca...ant_1-5-07.swf

Yes, I can see it too, RPD!

Items 1-12 are listed on page 4 to the very bottom of that page and the form itself indicates "(over)" and I can also see thru to the other side of that page where it indicates items 13, 14, 15 are listed. Wow. Good job in spotting that!

[Tacori]

Originally posted by RPD
===IMPORTANT===

Look carefully at page 4 - items seized. At the bottom of that page it says 'over". You can see barely see the other side showing through the copy......item 13, 14 and 15 are there

Guess i will be going down to the Clerk of Court Monday to see what these items are

http://html.wral.com/asset/news/loca...ant_1-5-07.swf

13. 1 Dell computer with black case. Latitude D620

14. Assorted papers

15. Precision Tune work order July 14, 2006.

jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Tacori


13. 1 Dell computer with black case. Latitude D620

14. Assorted papers

15. Precision Tune work order July 14, 2006.

jmo

Thanks, Tacori!

Now I don't have to find my trusty magnifying mirror!

[Tacori]

Originally posted by RPD


Thanks. Saved me a trip. I always used the WRAL SW link.

Please post the link that has the full info.

YW. I don't know why the link didn't show up. Sorry.

http://abclocal.go.com/images/wtvd/p...chwarrant2.pdf

Originally posted by RPD
I am shocked they did not seize luggage from the SUV .

Trace evidence in JY's bags ??????

Not to mention accounting for the cloths that GA girl saw him in Thursday night.

Imagine LE's horror when they also realized JY was out of town and his alibi checked out nicely. Sometimes the sun really can shine. IMO

Justice

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by RPD
I am shocked they did not seize luggage from the SUV .

Trace evidence in JY's bags ??????

Not mention accounting for the cloths that GA girl saw him in Thursday night.

I thought Heather and her husband caravaned in their own vehicle, so maybe Jason's luggage was in their car? Maybe he intended to ride with them but changed his mind at the last minute?


eta: Don't they also own a sports utility vehicle?

Originally posted by Tacori


YW. I don't know why the link didn't show up. Sorry.

http://abclocal.go.com/images/wtvd/p...chwarrant2.pdf

Thanks, Tacori!

Originally posted by RPD
I am shocked they did not seize luggage from the SUV .

Trace evidence in JY's bags ??????

Not to mention accounting for the cloths that GA girl saw him in Thursday night.

Maybe there was no luggage in the SUV. Maybe the luggage was still in Brevard.

jmo

[JHP]

Originally posted by RPD

I thought they all piled in the SUV...JY, Mommy, heather and Joe at the wheel.

Where was Jasons step father?

Originally posted by RPD

I thought they all piled in the SUV...JY, Mommy, heather and Joe at the wheel.

I wonder when Mommy Fisher heard the news? Did she head over after the news?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by ReedJ



Imagine LE's horror when they also realized JY was out of town and his alibi checked out nicely. Sometimes the sun really can shine. IMO

Justice

Yes, as the world turns!

Full moon on Wed, 9/26.

[JHP]

Originally posted by RPD


He came later.....

Thanks. So basically everyone that went on the Califonia trip were in that car? Interesting

Originally posted by ReedJ


I wonder when Mommy Fisher heard the news? Did she head over after the news?

Wouldn't you, if your daughter had been brutally murdered?

[JHP]

Originally posted by JHP
Thanks. So basically everyone that went on the California trip were in that car? Interesting

Originally posted by JHP
Thanks. So basically everyone that went on the Califonia trip were in that car? Interesting

Is that the beginning of a line of thought, JHP?

[Tacori]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I thought Heather and her husband caravaned in their own vehicle, so maybe Jason's luggage was in their car? Maybe he intended to ride with them but changed his mind at the last minute?


eta: Don't they also own a sports utility vehicle?

I wonder why McIntyre said they did? What ever happened to those winter coats?

From the link above: "When Jason Young arrived back in the Raleigh area, the sheriff's office impounded his sport utility vehicle with all of the luggage belonging to him, his mother, sister and brother-in-law, he said."

Didn't Heather and Joe have a Mitsubishi SUV at the time?

[JHP]

Originally posted by Dida


Is that the beginning of a line of thought, JHP?

Actually it is. And I can't stay but I'll try to come back later and post some other thoughts. JMO

Originally posted by Dida


Wouldn't you, if your daughter had been brutally murdered?

Yes, and she probably didn't have to gather the posse and wait half the afternoon for everyone else before heading to Raleigh.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by RPD


He came later.....

Interesting!

For what logical reason would he have come later?

By 3:30pm when Jason pulled into the driveway, McIntyre was already there!!! Maybe he spent that time looking at the family's financial structure and preparing by phone to retain a lawyer for Jason?

Did McIntyre arrive in Raleigh the following day on 11/5, after the banks had opened? 11/5 was a Saturday, right?

Originally posted by agathachristie



Wasn't there lengthy discussions early on about them stopping

at the hotel before they went to the house ?

It had to do with someone posting they arrived at midnight ?

People were questioning if they left Brevard at 3:30 what took so

long ?

They confiscated the car at 3:00 a.m.

I'll go back and check the time on the SW .

Wait a minute. They stopped at a hotel before going to get CY?

Originally posted by Dida


Wait a minute. They stopped at a hotel before going to get CY?

I think it's been stated many times that they were "not worried" about Cassidy because she was safely with Meredith. Quite a contradiction if you ask me!