Michelle YOUNG

[Tacori]

I thought I'd go ahead and start the weekend thread.

For Michelle and her unborn son.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Tacori
I thought I'd go ahead and start the weekend thread.

For Michelle and her unborn son.

Hi Tacori,

Thanks for getting us started.

Since hopefully we all have the same goal in mind, which is justice for a beautiful, vibrant, pregnant woman brutally murdered in her own home. AND, we are all frustrated by the lack of facts that we have at hand.

I thought it might be helpful to try and put ourselves in LE's position.

The first 3 suspects, are the spouse, the last know person to see the deceased alive and the person that discovers the body.

I have never been able to figure out why the friend that was with Michelle that fateful Thursday night has been given a free pass by the people that post here, both the people that think Jason is guilty AND the people that think Meredith is guilty.

Perhaps with a weekend board, we will get some new posters with a fresh look at the GA friend.

MOO

Swabby

I don't think an accomplice can be ruled out. The case is obviously not open and shut against anyone, or there would have been an arrest by now, imo.

I can only infer that LE has some evidence that doesn't fit any of the obvious suspects, and is hoping for a new lead that will fit all of the pieces together.

Maybe that is an accomplice. IF they are waiting for their money, they have little recourse other than to continuing waiting. The alternative would be to admit complicity, and where is the gain in that?

jmo

Originally posted by JohnLangston


This case is complicated and involves another person beside JY.

jmo

I don't suppose you would care to say more than that?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by scout


Not really the response you're looking for, but I don't believe there is anyone here who thinks Meredith is guilty. She is just a convenient scapegoat, imo.

Hi Scout,

I tend to agree with you, but why is the GA friend above reproach? Why hasn't she been eviscerated in the attempt to draw attention away from Jason? Why hasn't her life, job, weight and relationship with Michelle been dissected?

Surely she has held a job out of her intended field or sold something on EBay at one time in her life.

I just don't understand why we haven't put the spotlight on her, I am sure LE had to give her a good look.

MOO

Swabby


ETA: Something is holding up an arrest, maybe we are ALL looking at the wrong perp.

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


Because she is thin, married and has an advanced degree in nursing.

You are right, Andy. That would preclude her as a suspect in the murder. It is, however, strong grounds as a suspect for another "romantic relationship".

jmo

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


Because she is thin, married and has an advanced degree in nursing.

I just hope she has the moral fortitude to give LE every single bit of info (facts, feelings, perceived incongruencies ) to help in the investigation of the murder of her dear friend Michelle. I hope she does not hold back a single thought for fear of hurting her husband, one of Jason's old and good friends. I hope she lets her conscience be her guide. Nurses are extremely observant people. She owes it to her friend to do what is right and share everything with LE.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


Because she is thin, married and has an advanced degree in nursing.

HIYA Mr. Taylor,

Be that as it may. She WAS the last known person to be with Michelle, and by some accounts with Jason AND Michelle before he supposedly left or Va.

If what little that has been reported is true, they had all know each other for some time. I certainly hope that LE has given her a long hard look. For all we know, they could have been in a scheme together.

Stranger things have happened.

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


Because she is thin, married and has an advanced degree in nursing.

And she didn't make that very odd 911 call.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Dida


You are right, Andy. That would preclude her as a suspect in the murder. It is, however, strong grounds as a suspect for another "romantic relationship".

jmo

Dida, you are one smart cookie!

Wouldn't be the first time that Jason slapped one of his friends right in the face by having a questionable "relationship" with their spouse.

Good Grief, Does anyone know a Company that gives group rate discounts for paternity tests?

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

BTW Dida,

Silly Me!

Thanks for your help.

I had been wrestling with the motive part of the "means, motive and opportunity" concerning the GA friend.

Now it all makes so much more sense. Especially the part about Jason leaving to get a "head start" for a business meeting on Friday morning, yet only driving half way on Thursday.

Maybe he just wanted to hang around for a while and "see" the GA friend before heading out. IF you believe some of the rumors........Who knows what all was going on, while Jason was supposedly showing GA the computer print out and Michelle was bathing Cassidy.

My Goodness, the possibilities are endless.

MOO

Swabby

Originally posted by 5swab5
BTW Dida,

Silly Me!

Thanks for your help.

I had been wrestling with the motive part of the "means, motive and opportunity" concerning to the GA friend.

Now it all makes so much more sense. Especially the part about Jason leaving to get a "head start" for a business meeting on Friday morning, yet only driving half way on Thursday.

Maybe he just wanted to hang around for a while and "see" the GA friend before heading out. IF you believe some of the rumors........Who knows what all was going on, while Jason was supposedly showing GA the computer print out and Michelle was bathing Cassidy.

My Goodness, the possibilities are endless.

MOO

Swabby

Hi, Swabby,

I think it does bear exploring, don't you? I would think that part of the "thrill" is the risk of discovery. The situation you describe would certainly contain that risk.

jmo

[dkny]

Originally posted by Dida


Hi, Swabby,

I think it does bear exploring, don't you? I would think that part of the "thrill" is the risk of discovery. The situation you describe would certainly contain that risk.

jmo

True, and what if they were discovered we would not know that would we. JMO

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Dida, you are one smart cookie!

Wouldn't be the first time that Jason slapped one of his friends right in the face by having a questionable "relationship" with their spouse.

Good Grief, Does anyone know a Company that gives group rate discounts for paternity tests?

MOO

Swabby

Who is pregnant?

Hello board!

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Dida


Hi, Swabby,

I think it does bear exploring, don't you? I would think that part of the "thrill" is the risk of discovery. The situation you describe would certainly contain that risk.

jmo

GA friend had been married three (3) weeks before Michelle was murdered. You think she was already looking for "thrills" outside of marriage?

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by willow_1


Hello Lindsey, I can assure you it isn't me. LOL

Hey willow! Glad to hear it! LOL

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Dida


Hi, Swabby,

I think it does bear exploring, don't you? I would think that part of the "thrill" is the risk of discovery. The situation you describe would certainly contain that risk.

jmo

Yep,

I think there is even a name for those people.

Those that really get their kicks from the thrill of "almost" being caught.

Seems there might have been more than one secret on BirchLeaf.

MOO

Swabby

Originally posted by dkny




True, and what if they were discovered we would not know that would we. JMO

Well, to quote some posters on this board, that makes me go hmmmmmmmmm..........


jmo

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
If and when Jason is indicted for the murder of his wife, I believe his defense will have several points that will be made to exonerate him.

1. he has no prior criminal record

2. there are no incidents of abuse in his marriage that were reported to LE by Michelle

3. there are no witnesses to indicate that he was in Raleigh at TOD

4. there were no scratches or bruises on Jason save for perhaps on his knees which he fell plum to at the news of his wife's death

5. Jason made a telephone call to his wife at 11PM the night of the murder from Hillsville, VA.

6. The mileage on the odometer and oil change sticker excludes the possibility of Jason returning to Raleigh to do the murder

7. Jason has a motel receipt and video that show that he was in Hillsville at TOD

8. The fuel stop at Duffield, VA occurred exactly where his SUV's range would require refueling if no backtrack to Raleigh occurred

9. The "blood" on the SUV was negative

10. Jason appeared nonplussed at the meeting in Norton with his supervisor, no sign of distress

11. The range for the TOD was originally 1-5AM when the day after the murder LE asked the public to report any vehicles seen at the Birchleaf address. It was later changed to 12-6AM, an unusual extension made by LE, when they discovered Jason had been at Hillsville that night. I believe that this amounts to misconduct by LE in an attempt by LE to stretch the evidence to implicate Jason

12. LE pointed out that Jason was having an affair with Michelle Money. This is a double standard. Sheriff Donnie Harrison had an affair with his current wife while she was still married to another man

13. The therapist will be impeached. She frequented porn sites. The "best evidence rule" will be invoked by defense, demanding the tapes of the therapy sessions. If the tapes were destroyed after the murder.....

14. There were several errors made during the autopsy

15. Crime scene evidence was overlooked

16. Michelle was still dressed in her GA party clothes, indicating death occurred close to midnight

A lot of good points there, Captain Joe, but I'm beginning to doubt that anyone will be arrested and convicted for Michelle's murder.

I believe the trail has grown cold and somebody is getting away with murder.

I hope I'm wrong.

[MoonFlwr]

Yes, seem like good points to me, too, Captain Joe.

capt. joe,

no one ended up dead in donnie's affair w/ that woman.

we only have the brevardian ex-teacher's word for certain things in your list like the phone call to michelle at a certain time.

it may not have happened. it may not have been jason who placed the call.

we don't know IF a business meeting happened at all or if it did, where it happened.

we don't know when jason checked into the hotel
or if it was even jason.

we don't know if jason bought gas at other places besides the places where he could show receipts. he might have been stockpiling gas
in his garage for his murder plot.

the therapist didn't "frequent porn sites." she was the victim of nasty internet porn sites who
because of her keywords, transgender and cross-dressing, linked her site to theirs.
imo

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
If and when Jason is indicted for the murder of his wife, I believe his defense will have several points that will be made to exonerate him.

(snip, snip, snip)

Sorry Cap'N Joe,

Had to snip, too many unsubstantiated things there.

Here comes my take on things.

Jason is rumored to be a fan of yard games, like "hide and seek".

Maybe he was also a fan of "hide the salami"?

What makes the GA wife of one of his best friends immune from his advances? Certainly didn't deter Jason from hounding Steve Money's wife.

ALL the above is My Opinion and MY speculation.

Swabby

[Tacori]

Originally posted by Captain Joe


If and when Jason is indicted for the murder of his wife, I believe his defense will have several points that will be made to exonerate him.

~Snipped to address this~

10. Jason appeared nonplussed at the meeting in Norton with his supervisor, no sign of distress

~Snip~

Captain Joe, where did you read or hear this? I've never read a report or read a statement from anyone that said the meeting was in Norton. Can you help me out here? TIA.

[Tacori]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Norton is one of the few cities on the road to Duffield and a likely candidate for the meeting at one of the hospitals there where software upgrades for the Chartone suite would be considered. No special knowledge, just deductive reasoning, my dear Watson. I believe Scout or RPD came to the same conclusion. The only real reason to go to Duffield is a small handfull of towns on the same route. Norton seems to be the principal candidate for the meeting.

K. Thanks! I must have been absent from class that day.

I guess I read your #10 as a statement of fact.

JMO

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Norton is one of the few cities on the road to Duffield and a likely candidate for the meeting at one of the hospitals there where software upgrades for the Chartone suite would be considered. No special knowledge, just deductive reasoning, my dear Watson. I believe Scout or RPD came to the same conclusion. The only real reason to go to Duffield is a small handfull of towns on the same route. Norton seems to be the principal candidate for the meeting.

CJ do you know what time he stopped at the Duffield gas station? Was it before the meeting? I thought we were told he was late for the business meeting because he was lost, thus the Duffield stop may be throwing your deductive reasoning skills off in the wrong direction. Also CJ could you ask your sources if Jason arranged the meeting himself or if ChartOne arranged the meeting for him?

Originally posted by Captain Joe


Don't know either one.

So why don't we know CJ? Why hide the logistics of a perfectly legit business meeting?

Seems to me due to the fact that we have so very little info on the meeting, very few people were involved in planning and at the actual meeting itself. Thus the whole meeting seems very "fishy" to me and possibly another poorly planned aspect of this murder, that is, if Jason is the murderer.

I believe if it was arranged by ChartOne, involving secretaries and directors of a hospital's medical records department more information would be in the public domain either through leaks or Jason's supporters via the media. Only reason I can think of is Jason was the sole organizer and perhaps only met briefly with ONE person kind of like that Transylvania hospital "possible" stop he made on his way to his mom's house.

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Believe me, I tried to get that information. The hospital would not respond, period, and Chartone employees have been told to not respond to questions about the case. This tells me that there will be testimony from both parties when it comes to trial. Oh another tidbit. The owner of the Get-It-Market in Duffield lives in Norton. He too would say nothing about the case.

Though the results of your sleuthing are disappointing I'll give you an "A" for effort.

I find it utterly amazing that the "relationship" between JY and MM is still being debated. There was a "relationship". There was daily contact in the form of emails and telephone calls. I will find the links if someone insists.

LE has the content of the emails, and the content was apparently enough to justify a SW and seizure of MM's computer. Anyone who refuses to infer the obvious from all of that is certainly entitled to do so. I personally have not been that naive since I was 12.

jmo

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


There a are a handful that come here to argue just to be arguing.
It is their style.

Both you and purple are right. Last weekend was like Groundhog Day. People will believe whatever they choose, but the evidence is what it is.

jmo

[cognac]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Hi Scout,

I tend to agree with you, but why is the GA friend above reproach? Why hasn't she been eviscerated in the attempt to draw attention away from Jason? Why hasn't her life, job, weight and relationship with Michelle been dissected?

Surely she has held a job out of her intended field or sold something on EBay at one time in her life.

I just don't understand why we haven't put the spotlight on her, I am sure LE had to give her a good look.

MOO

Swabby


ETA: Something is holding up an arrest, maybe we are ALL looking at the wrong perp.

The friend was jy's best friend's wife, wasn't she?

The plan here (imo) was to immediately blame Meredith. JY set her up for this. At the very beginning, a certain poster (now gone) came out swinging against Meredith and who do you think this came from?

It was all part of jy's plan and his supporters ran with it.

jmo

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by purple


"It wasn neither ,heres what he actually said. IMO

... give me a minute to figure out what that means.

What are you asking the world to believe ... that Jason was such a close friend with Michelle Money that he, rather than she (her sorority sister Michelle Fisher/Young ), were emailing daily? let's not be preposterous and suggest that the email uncovered by the police was actually michelle and michelle. This was supposedly just peachy with pregnant Michelle? And this also explains why Jason was not emailing with the other husband, Steve, ... because he was such a good friend? That his wife, Michelle Money, talked to Steve's good old buddy Jason from Universitym and Steve didn't mind ... while Michelle was murdered?

Hello.

What am I missing?

Maybe this is what you're missing?

From page 2 of the search warrant for MM's computer, dated Nov 30, 2006

A search warrant was conducted at Michelle Money's home in Ocoee, FL to obtain any computer or computer equipment, data storage device, recording device or digitial evidence.

A search warrant is needed to search the computer files and images, email accounts or passwords, data storage devices, and evidence of correspondence with Jason Young, Michelle Young and Michelle Money.

http://wral.com/news/local/document/1085668/

Originally posted by Lindsey


Maybe this is what you're missing?

From page 2 of the search warrant for MM's computer, dated Nov 30, 2006

A search warrant was conducted at Michelle Money's home in Ocoee, FL to obtain any computer or computer equipment, data storage device, recording device or digitial evidence.

A search warrant is needed to search the computer files and images, email accounts or passwords, data storage devices, and evidence of correspondence with Jason Young, Michelle Young and Michelle Money.

http://wral.com/news/local/document/1085668/

That is a little misleading, imo, Lindsey. Page 1 of that same search warrant:

"In the course of the investigation we discovered the victim's husband Jason Young has had a relationship with Michelle Money of Ocoee, Florida. The past three months Jason Young and Michelle Money have corresponded frequently. In an interview with Michelle Money, she has confirmed that she corresponded by phone or email to Jason Young almost daily."

Jason Young, not Michelle Young.

http://www.raleighchannel.com/youngsearchwarrant.pdf

But like I said, people will believe whatever they like.

jmo

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by scout


Why didn't you include the preceding statements, Lindsey?

From pages 1 and 2 of the same document:

In the course of the investigation, we discovered the victim's husband Jason Young had a relationship with Michelle Money of Ocoee, Florida. The past three months Jason Young and Michelle Money have corresponded frequently. In an interview with Michelle Money, she confirmed that she corresponded by phone or email to Jason Young almost daily. A search warrant was conducted at Michelle Money's home in Ocoee, FL to obtain any computer or computer equipment, data storage device, recording device or digital evidence. A search warrant is needed to search the computer files and images, email accounts or passwords, data storage devices, and evidence of correspondence with Jason Young, Michelle Young and Michelle Money.

I was addressing Purple's "disbelief" that Michelle Young, in addition to Jason Young, was emailing Michelle Money.

I included the link to the whole search warrant for you to read it for yourself but I didn't know I needed to type the whole thing.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Dida


That is a little misleading, imo, Lindsey. Page 1 of that same search warrant:

"In the course of the investigation we discovered the victim's husband Jason Young has had a relationship with Michelle Money of Ocoee, Florida. The past three months Jason Young and Michelle Money have corresponded frequently. In an interview with Michelle Money, she has confirmed that she corresponded by phone or email to Jason Young almost daily."

Jason Young, not Michelle Young.

http://www.raleighchannel.com/youngsearchwarrant.pdf

But like I said, people will believe whatever they like.

jmo

Dida,

I wasn't trying to be misleading. See my last post, addressed to Scout.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by willow_1


Well since they found out a long time ago what was in those emails and in August had a newspaper remove the word affair,is very telling. I would say there wasn't any romance in the emails.IMO

Did police have the article changed?

I wonder if the person who wrote the article saw the emails? I wonder if the editor saw the emails? I wonder if the person who requested the wording be changed saw the emails? If LE didn't share the emails, and I doubt they did, we can't assume anything. Perhaps they changed it because they themselves don't have the proof to back up the use of the word "affair", not because it wasn't?

IMO,
Lilismom

Originally posted by lilismom



Did police have the article changed?

I wonder if the person who wrote the article saw the emails? I wonder if the editor saw the emails? I wonder if the person who requested the wording be changed saw the emails? If LE didn't share the emails, and I doubt they did, we can't assume anything. Perhaps they changed it because they themselves don't have the proof to back up the use of the word "affair", not because it wasn't?

IMO,
Lilismom

I agree, lilismom. We do not KNOW that LE had the article changed. The request for a correction could have come from any number of sources, including JY himself. jmo

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Well then stop insisting the relationship between JY and MM was anything more than the friendship SM said it was.

Why should we believe SM? Do we know whether or not he has seen the emails? I doubt it, since the hard drive was seized.

jmo

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Well there are legal ramifications to publishing something as inflamitory as that when one doesn't have (1) any proof it's true or (2)any admission from any parties or (3) no 'affair' classificiation by LE .

I thought I said:

Perhaps they changed it because they themselves don't have the proof to back up the use of the word "affair", not because it wasn't?

We don't know who demanded to see their proof. I doubt LE showed them the emails and said "now show me where there was anything but a friendship".

Who was it then? MM? JY? Or someone else who doesn't know for sure themselves because they haven't seen the emails but backed the paper into a corner because they didn't either?

IMO,
Lilismom

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

I don't see LE calling it an affair in there anywhere.

I may regret asking this, but just so I understand, how are you distinguishing between a "romantic relationship" and an "affair"?

[Barbara2]

Ground Hog Day!

Sorry. I now return you to your CTV "Classic", a repeat of the program seen here last weekend. (Or was it a month ago?)