Unexplained Phenomena - could it help RG?

[Hbgchick]

Hey all, thought a new thread would be in order.

It relates to RG in that they did call in psychics (although they didn't seem to find anything) in his case, and I wonder if they were to it again, perhaps if they found someone who were more...let's say...into doing it for the good of the cause as opposed to some sort of other gain...well...I just wonder what they might uncover.

Sherrijean, in answer to your question - if I had it to do over again I would have certainly stayed longer, or come back another time. This kind of stuff really freaks out my husband, but if I'd been alone I would have certainly stayed.

[Cloudbuster]

Hbgchick thanks for starting the thread! I really believe its unexplainable phenoma that will lead us and I also believe has led us all along lol. I have told Sherrij about something that happened in my home relating to this case and she brought up about jewlery making and asked if I do that. Yes I do and Im new at it. Sherrij you can explain it better lol. It freaked me but I told her she was being intuitive. Okay the story was about cleaning my home and I put all the printouts on this case away and I said Im done with this. I walked in the kitchen to do dishes and I heard a loud noise and went into the diningroom to see. What I saw was my jewlery making supplies , necklaces ect all over the floor. The spot where they fell from was the spot where I also had all the RG printouts. I then went and got all the printouts and put them back to their orginal spot and said out loud " I get the picture". Now sherrij could you explain the rest?

[Hbgchick]

Originally posted by logicworks



Thanks for starting this thread. It is a good place for those interested and also allows others who aren't to breeze on past.

Drifting off subject here because I just wanted you to know what happened to me today; about 'that house'.
So very strange how things come just when I least expect it.
What are the chances I would wish like hexx this morning I had taken my camera along that day, and today someone tells me they know someone with a photo that was taken that showed unexplained images? Slim to none, IMO.

Today I mentioned the 'house' to a friend in conversation. This person then said "Oh, yeah. I know this lady who lives right down the hill from there, and she was out in her yard taking some photos, just fooling around with her camera. She told me about a photo that really scared her. The photo was taken toward 'that house'."

The person who told me is going to contact the woman to see if she still has the photo(s), or if she will describe what she saw. This is a very trustworthy person telling me this, by the way. He remembered she was 'creeped' out by it which was why she told him. He thought she said it was a man who was doing something but there wasn't anybody there. I will let you know more as soon as I find out. Maybe we do have a picture after all.

By the way, I have NEVER, and I mean NEVER believed in ghosts......LOL. Not until you brought up the 'creepy' feeling about the house did I ever really stop to think about what could have possibly hit that door on the inside of the vacant house.
Just wanted to pass this along before I get back into investigating what happened to RG.

Hey Logic, this is awesome news! I'd loooove to see that pic. I was actually bummed out that my friend moved and I didn't get to go back.

I think it's vacant now. I assume the same guy owns it who was her landlord - she was just renting and was only there a few months. I would be temped to drive up there next time I'm in State College, but as you know, it's tough to just sort of "drive past" it. You need to actually park and walk down to the house. All of my bravado about saying I'd have stayed and gone back is not quite as confident as it was before I read this! Lol.

[Hbgchick]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster
Hbgchick thanks for starting the thread! I really believe its unexplainable phenoma that will lead us and I also believe has led us all along lol. I have told Sherrij about something that happened in my home relating to this case and she brought up about jewlery making and asked if I do that. Yes I do and Im new at it. Sherrij you can explain it better lol. It freaked me but I told her she was being intuitive. Okay the story was about cleaning my home and I put all the printouts on this case away and I said Im done with this. I walked in the kitchen to do dishes and I heard a loud noise and went into the diningroom to see. What I saw was my jewlery making supplies , necklaces ect all over the floor. The spot where they fell from was the spot where I also had all the RG printouts. I then went and got all the printouts and put them back to their orginal spot and said out loud " I get the picture". Now sherrij could you explain the rest?

Hi Cloudbuster! Nice to see you again. I believe you - I think you have something goin' on there too! I look forward to hearing the rest of the story!

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by logicworks


My friend called the woman last evening and she still has the photo in the memory on her camera. My friend says she guards it with her life, because she thinks she has something that is so phenomenal. (I know the feeling. I have done the same thing with some photos I have that are beyond explanation.)

He is going to call her again tonight to see when we can meet to look at it. I have seen things before that others call phenomenal that IMO aren't anything I can even make out, so I want to see it before I comment on it.

She said it is a man and a woman on the hill toward the house but no one was there when she took the photo. She told my friend it is so clear you can even see their fingers. It was taken after they died. She said it looks like them. This woman says they absolutely loved their house. It meant everything to them.
And it is still vacant, no one living in it.
Thought you would be interested so I am passing it along as it comes to me.
Now back to finding out what happened to RG.

Did your friend say if she had a camera she could download it on and email you a copy? Would be nice to have it posted somewhere or a link we could check it out on. Sounds very interesting. Another case of someone being killed prematurely and violently and their spirit not leaving. I wonder how they could be helped to leave? Did their son get prison time or is he in a mental hospital getting help? The second is what he needs, sounds like to me. What a thing to have to live with, killing your Mom and Dad, the people who loved you unconditionally. Wonder if they are waiting on him? JMO

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster
Hbgchick thanks for starting the thread! I really believe its unexplainable phenoma that will lead us and I also believe has led us all along lol. I have told Sherrij about something that happened in my home relating to this case and she brought up about jewlery making and asked if I do that. Yes I do and Im new at it. Sherrij you can explain it better lol. It freaked me but I told her she was being intuitive. Okay the story was about cleaning my home and I put all the printouts on this case away and I said Im done with this. I walked in the kitchen to do dishes and I heard a loud noise and went into the diningroom to see. What I saw was my jewlery making supplies , necklaces ect all over the floor. The spot where they fell from was the spot where I also had all the RG printouts. I then went and got all the printouts and put them back to their orginal spot and said out loud " I get the picture". Now sherrij could you explain the rest?

Cb was mentioning a conversation she had with someone and a name that kept coming up. I told her she wouldn't believe it but my ggrandson's last name was that.
CB then says about putting her info on RG away. I threw my info away and then regretted it.
CB said about her jewelry making items falling and I told her I had looked at a book on jewery making that I collected jewelry (beaded necklaces and bracelets) and thought it would be a neat hobby to make them. I was just looking at a jewelry making book but realized to get started it would cost a lot. She then tells me she just bought a jewelry making book.
CB tells me they experienced an episode of their tape player turning on by itself. I told her we have a tv that turns off by itself.
CB says about the being drawn to crystals and a woman in a shop in Bellefonte telling her the first one she bought was a window crystal and that window crystals are used to help locate missing people. My Uncle used to make jewelry with stones and crystals but not the expense kind and that was back in the 50's when I was a child.
CB thought collecting crystals was strange because she collects angels. Again, I collect Seraphim Angels and others of near the same quality, usually one that protects children or the garden set.
I told her I collect cookbooks, other books, buttons, kitchen utensils, men's ties (want to make a quilt or ?) and the jewelry and angels. Some of the books I have collected are on Angel, Good Angels and Bad Angels. One tells how they work and where they are in the Bible. Since recently moving I haven't put out all my books but I want to see where they fit in the RG case as far as helping to find him.

So that's the end of the story. So far!

[sherrijean981]

From my book "Angels A to Z" by James R. Lewis and Evelyn Dorothy Oliver.
"Communication With Angels"
It says Angels can communicate with people in three ways.
1st through audio presentation.
2nd through dreams.
3rd through visual.

But you have to believe and be receptive.

[sherrijean981]

Also in the Angels A to Z by James R. Lewis and Evelyn Dorothy Oliver there is a part that mentions folklore of the angel of death and three catagories it is in.

The Angel of Death can be defeated, by human deception.

I am taking that to mean, there is a book in Heaven that marks the day we are born and the day we are to die, and if someone makes a person disappear permanently, the angel of death can't be there to receive him, because it was not his time to die as set in the book. It was human deception!! JMO

This book has so many things in it. Stories of Angels, Spirits, Channeling (mediumship), Communication with Angels, Ghosts and Angels, Guardian Angels, How Angels Guard and Guide, Guardian Spirit, Is it Really From the Angels (receiving guidance from angels through dreams, visions, or voices), Ministering Angels, Nature of Angels, Spiritulism, stories on angels, fairies, brownies and dear little Puck, with verses from the Bible on each section, other books/authors to refer to each subject.

[Hbgchick]

Hm. I could have sworn I posted here the other day but don't see it now...

Anyway...any news on that picture? I'd love to get a look at it.

[Cloudbuster]

I would also LOVE to see the picture! I went out this past weekend and bought a good digital camera with a printer dock.:santa: Yep its Christmas in March for me at least lol!!! I just wish I could understand how to use it lol But Im learning. Also Im planning to use it and hoping to get more paranormal photos. The camera I used when I photographed the grave was a disposable one. I figured if a disposal can pick up all that then a digital gotta be better (ITHINK LOL). Im not allowing anyone to touch it lol.
I really want to photograph the diamond in front of the courthouse ect. I want a picture of the flowers there when they bloom and I want a photo of the parking lot.
I will share the photos if someone can tell me how to make them in the right format for the board?

[Cloudbuster]

WOW Logic thats incrediable!!! Thanks for sharing it!! Please keep us updated.

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by logicworks



No news from the woman yet. I definitely want to see what's on her camera. I have asked my friend to set up a time with her, but as of now, no word back yet.

BUT.......in the meantime......I simply HAVE to pass this along. The strangest thing happened to me yesterday. I said before that these things happen when I am least expecting and not even thinking about them, always seemingly forgetting consciously at that moment that I asked for an answer.

I put off posting this hoping I would have the news story to back up at least part of it. My assistant and I have been watching and listening for it all last night and today. Nothing on the news, so here goes........

I said before answers always manifest physically for me......I can't call it dejavu because it's never something I've seen before, but something that I have questions about, and have thought about recently.

Yesterday afternoon my assistant and I had just finished some afternoon 'runs' and on our way back he said 'don't forget we have to stop here'.......a task I had forgotten about. So I pulled in and I went inside the store, assistant stayed in the car right in front of the shop....all windows, and all glass door. I was the only customer there at the time, other than the people who work there. I never even thought about the fact that at that point in time I was directly below 'that house' up on the hill. I hadn't been at this particular shop for well over a year before.

I told the guy behind the counter what I needed and when I was telling him, I heard the front door open. I turned and looked and the door was open and then it slowly closed but there was no one there. Again NEVER even thinking about 'the house' just up the hill from this shop......I said totally joking 'Look, you have a ghost'. The guy laughed and said 'No ghosts here. Only angels.'

He went off the side of the room to do the work I needed done and when done brought the results over to me. As he did, my assistant came rushing in and said 'Boy! That was really crazy, wasn't it?' I said 'It sure was! Did you see that door open?' He said 'Didn't you see what just happened?' I said 'Yeah. The door opened by itself'. LOL.....he didn't know what the hey I was talking about!

He was sitting in the vehicle right in front of the door that opened and never saw it and I didn't see what he was talking about because I turned away from the door and back to watch this guy do his work.

What happened was.......a truck hit a car hard, demolished it, and the truck continued on up and over the snow bank, came through the landscaping bed, just missed the gas pumps for the convenience mart next door, came flying over and stopped right beside my vehicle and just sat there.

My assistant thought the driver had just got his vehicle 'under control' after an accident. and thought the driver was getting out of the truck. All of a sudden the driver revved the truck engine up, what was left of it, and took off, driving on rims, truck demolished, his bumper, fender, tires, and other parts of his vehicle lay out on the street. My assistant said he didn't know how the vehicle could even run at all. The driver went down a back road where my assistant thought police surely must have caught him, but nothing, not a word in the news.

An ambulance driver pulled in and said the driver had hit someone else up the road before he came and hit this car.

Only reason I can think that it didn't make the news is if it was a medical condition. I need to find out exactly what it was, because it is the answer to the last question I had asked about what happened 'up on the hill'. Was it the son's medical condition that caused it or was it something else?
Do the parents have a reason for needing to stay here?

Some think 'big deal, it was just an accident'. I don't see it that way. I always think about the last question I asked for truth about. In this case, the door opened and in walked..........nothing that I could see. The out of control driver 'hit and ran' twice. Now I need to know the 'rest of the story'.
Even I can't believe I am saying that, never having been a believer in 'ghosts'.
JMO

Was this incident in Centre County? I thought I had heard something on the news about someone leaving the scene of an accident. But my thought is the man in the store said only angels there. Your assistant was in the car and the vehicle stopped next to your car so maybe the door opening was an angel going out of the building and stopping that car from hitting your car and your assistant? Just a thought to ponder.

[Cloudbuster]

I thought you all would enjoy a earlier article:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05177/528516.stm
Psychic says missing man was killed

Sunday, June 26, 2005

Carla Baron, the psychic profiler working on the Ray Gricar case, believes the missing 59-year-old district attorney was killed. Here is the scenario she laid out for what could have happened to him:

Gricar, who planned to retire at the end of this year, stumbled upon information of an --illegal scheme --that--- threatened the income of several people-- involved in a criminal network-- over a period of years. He got the information four to six weeks before his disappearance and planned to talk to someone in-- higher government.

Those in the criminal network found out that Gricar was on to them, and they were following him.

"It was too much of a danger to them and their operation," Baron said. "At the root of this is a lot of money."

Baron doesn't believe they planned to kidnap Gricar on April 15, the day he disappeared, but because he drove out of town, the opportunity presented itself.

When Gricar parked his car at the antique shop in Lewisburg, he was approached by two men in a tan, four-door car. The driver leaned in Gricar's passenger window and showed him a gun beneath his shirt.

"I could see the hairs on the guy's arm leaning in," she said.

Apparently, the man threatened Gricar, who left with them in their car.

A man in the back seat used plastic ties to secure Gricar's hands behind his back.

"The reason he went with them, he didn't want any harm to come to the people he loved," Baron said. "The threat was on the table."

She believes the men then took Gricar to a --large warehouse --where they do business.

Baron sees a series of bay doors that roll up, as well as people standing around writing on --clipboards. She believes a road runs parallel to the warehouse and there are railroad tracks that go up and slope back down again. She thinks Route 15 will come into play, and she also sees an underpass with concrete buttresses.

Baron believes the attackers---- copied what was on Gricar's laptop computer, which police have been unable to find, ---and then destroyed it.

She believes they killed Gricar that night and buried him in a shallow grave near--- their workplace--- so they could keep an eye on it.

"The same people that picked up Ray --are not the ones that killed him,"--- Baron said. "I have a feeling we're going to find them and connect them to this before we find Ray."

She believes Gricar's body is five to 15 minutes away from the spot in Lewisburg where his car was found.

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster
I thought you all would enjoy a earlier article:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05177/528516.stm
Psychic says missing man was killed

Sunday, June 26, 2005

Carla Baron, the psychic profiler working on the Ray Gricar case, believes the missing 59-year-old district attorney was killed. Here is the scenario she laid out for what could have happened to him:

Gricar, who planned to retire at the end of this year, stumbled upon information of an --illegal scheme --that--- threatened the income of several people-- involved in a criminal network-- over a period of years. He got the information four to six weeks before his disappearance and planned to talk to someone in-- higher government.

Those in the criminal network found out that Gricar was on to them, and they were following him.

"It was too much of a danger to them and their operation," Baron said. "At the root of this is a lot of money."

Baron doesn't believe they planned to kidnap Gricar on April 15, the day he disappeared, but because he drove out of town, the opportunity presented itself.

When Gricar parked his car at the antique shop in Lewisburg, he was approached by two men in a tan, four-door car. The driver leaned in Gricar's passenger window and showed him a gun beneath his shirt.

"I could see the hairs on the guy's arm leaning in," she said.

Apparently, the man threatened Gricar, who left with them in their car.

A man in the back seat used plastic ties to secure Gricar's hands behind his back.

"The reason he went with them, he didn't want any harm to come to the people he loved," Baron said. "The threat was on the table."

She believes the men then took Gricar to a --large warehouse --where they do business.

Baron sees a series of bay doors that roll up, as well as people standing around writing on --clipboards. She believes a road runs parallel to the warehouse and there are railroad tracks that go up and slope back down again. She thinks Route 15 will come into play, and she also sees an underpass with concrete buttresses.

Baron believes the attackers---- copied what was on Gricar's laptop computer, which police have been unable to find, ---and then destroyed it.

She believes they killed Gricar that night and buried him in a shallow grave near--- their workplace--- so they could keep an eye on it.

"The same people that picked up Ray --are not the ones that killed him,"--- Baron said. "I have a feeling we're going to find them and connect them to this before we find Ray."

She believes Gricar's body is five to 15 minutes away from the spot in Lewisburg where his car was found.

CB, This is the article I had seen but there is a difference between the show they did and this story she gave. She says he is buried here but on the show they show him being thrown over a bank on a dead end road.

Also she says he is 5 to 15 minutes away but at what speed would you need to be going to get wherever? If the speed they were driving were known we could go down, drive the 5 minutes out from Lewisburg and make a note of it, then drive the 15 minutes further. Get a map, 2 strings and Lewisburg as the center point, make a circle from the 5 minute around Lewisburg and then the 15 minute spot and around. You would then have a large circle 5 to 15 minutes around Lewisburg. Big area!! Does this make sense?

Then she says he was going to someone higher in Government so who is higher than him, that he would have gone to? Attorney General!

A drug bust? or organized theft ring? Cars or merchandise with the warehouse being the pick up or drop off spot? This is what I had thought from the beginning.

If he was being watched, he unexpectedly went out of town, they followed and had their opportunity. Was he down there before and stumbled on to it there or was part of the business in Bellefonte? Had they seen him and had watched him for a while? To see what he would do with the info? Or was it such a large area they were working that on his time off he has been investigating? Maybe talking to DA's from other counties at the antique malls, so as not to be suspect to the watcher, not to let them think it is a business meeting but a casual meeting of people interested in antiques?

It would then explain his talking to a woman because I think on my searches I saw one of the counties has a female DA. He must have been going to meet someone if he had his computer and was either getting info from them or showing info he had but never had the chance.

Then we know there were 3 men, the Gerber brothers, that had a large theft ring going on all over the eastern part of PA but it was never mentioned as far as Lewisburg, but what if the investigation was still going on or the LE did not know it went that far? We also know all the drug busts that were being investigated in Lewisburg at the time, in Bellefonte at that time and in many other areas of Pa at that time and most were not arrested for a couple years after the investigations started. RG was right in the center of numerous ones in Centre County at that time. At least one in Milesburg made big bucks from his part of the business.

From the look of his picture in the last one before he died he was very stressed about something. Was someone not on the list of people that he knew should have been? Was there a name on the list that he knew? Someone in a high position than your ordinary druggie dealing **** bags? Someone in a position that was to put them away in jail, but used his position to get info of his own from them, and had his own business going from that info?

Someone that would lead LE away from RG's murder to a suicide theory to protect his own butt? to keep LE away from himself and his business? Someone who knew RG so well that he could manipulate the whole situation? One that can give info but has not be given a lie detector test? That is a whole lot of someone's or maybe not! JMO

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by logicworks


I LOVE my car.
I prayed for this older model and within 10 minutes it came to me exactly where I was to go, the third hill up behind a dealership. about 10 miles away.

I went there and there it sat, the very vehicle I wanted. The salesman said there was no such car there, but I said go see for yourself.....LOL. I adore it, 4 wheel drive, low mileage, and beyond reasonable, exact year, model, and color I wanted.

LOL......So I asked for someone who has been in a cave for the last ten years, thus not a 'silly actor'.

The man in the shop was right the. He only had angels there and the door opening was to let one out, not someone in!

I had a similar experience with a car about 15 years ago. We needed a second car and I always liked the Oldsmobiles, had learned to drive in big cars. When looking in the Bargain Sheet I found one for a very low price and it was out in the middle of nowhere. My hubby and I talked on the way to see it and said well for the money it won't be much to look at. I also say my silent prayers when I need something and I did pray for a good running car. We went around a turn and I swear, It set in this man's driveway with the sun sparkling off of it so it looked like stars. It was an 1983 Olds 88, white with a red landau top and red interior. It was beautiful and the best riding car, comfortable car you could want. We bought it and couldn't figure why he only wanted the small amount. On the way home the check engine light came on so we thought major repair but it still sounded good. Had it put on a machine to check for problem and it turned out to be a $26 part. When the man called to ask how we liked it a week later we told him about the problem. He was very surprised all the more it cost, so he knew about the problem and never said anything, thinking it would be major problem. His wife told us a couple years later at a grocery store he was sorry he ever sold it. We got 5 years out of it.

I worked in State College and going up the Seven Mountains when I passed a truck, white smoke or fumes was coming out of the exhaust. I got to work, came back home at the end of the day, shut the car off and it never started again. The engine was blown, never a noise, it just went. We still have the second engine in the shed we bought for it. We found another one only blue and white, exact type with landau and just about the same price. We had seen a cadillac before this one in the same color they wanted $2800 for and this was less that half the price for the exact same interior and color. It also lasted 5 years, same engine problem. That is about the amount of time I am permitted to own a car. I think my angels can only protect it that long. lol
We eventually ended up with my Chrysler New Yorker and I have had it 4 years and just as comfortable and a pleasure to drive and ride in. Same low price but had a few problems over the years but thank God it has served me good and protected me on the road.

Isn't it wonderful how God gives us just what we need in his own time?

It also sounds like you have a wonderful assistant but after all this time he must be used to your intuitive nature and help from God? He certainly watched out for him that day and the area you were in.

[sherrijean981]

CB, I think this was the woman in the paper I read about but not sure. I believe she is the one you listed on the other thread. She helped with over 550 police investigations.
http://www.nancymyer-psychicdetective.com/

[Cloudbuster]

Sherrij is was not me who posted about her BUT strangley before I got on here tonight she was on court tv in one of their shows. Boy she is good!!! Maybe they could ask her? I bet she will know alot if shes anything like the show presented her tonight on. If CB is done with the case and its cold why not try her there is nothing to lose.
I been to a few myself. Each persons answers being similiar but yet different.

Personally, I do not ascribe to psychic musings, though I would like to think I keep an open mind. Perhaps I just allow too much negative energy in. But I do have a recurring subliminal thought in regard to RG's disappearance - one that (just throwing it out here) involves "Evangelical Community Hospital" (which I know is outside Lewisburg) and "Port Royal" (which I know is in Juniata County). I have no idea what this means! Anyone?

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by Serendipitous1
Personally, I do not ascribe to psychic musings, though I would like to think I keep an open mind. Perhaps I just allow too much negative energy in. But I do have a recurring subliminal thought in regard to RG's disappearance - one that (just throwing it out here) involves "Evangelical Community Hospital" (which I know is outside Lewisburg) and "Port Royal" (which I know is in Juniata County). I have no idea what this means! Anyone?

I was searching the internet under Port Royal and found a lot of references to "Port Royal"

Port Royal could be in Jamaica or South Carolina or a Tn State Park.

There is an Order Of Port Royal but no abbey's in the United States, a Catholic Diocese of the Old Catholics in Germany.

Or you can have the Port Royal Logic:
http://www.philosophy.leeds.ac.uk/GM...ld/method.html

I still have more to check out but thought the link might interest you.

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by Serendipitous1
Personally, I do not ascribe to psychic musings, though I would like to think I keep an open mind. Perhaps I just allow too much negative energy in. But I do have a recurring subliminal thought in regard to RG's disappearance - one that (just throwing it out here) involves "Evangelical Community Hospital" (which I know is outside Lewisburg) and "Port Royal" (which I know is in Juniata County). I have no idea what this means! Anyone?

After watching the last two weekend special hour programmings on Haunting Evidence, I am not any further in believing in CB. I know I have feelings on things, know things happen but could be God's nudging's to me personally to get my act together and I know people who things have happened to and have seen things. I have always questioned what happens to the souls of people God has not admitted into heaven because of an offense they committed but that was too small to go to the devil. Are they in limbo waiting or do they have to come back and correct their offense in some way? I don't know.

So I am putting this link on the forum that I found a couple days ago. I have no idea what the rhyme or reason is, only that we have multi professionals in all fields of business, a couple retired or active police officers, one an investigator and all are part of a ghostly/psychic school/business, part time.

My thoughts are if they are a school and are teaching numerous students, maybe they are looking for a project to work on. They have classes in various fields and each student has to pass each class.

They have made available their email addresses. Some are in NJ and PA and they work in NY, NJ, and PA. My suggestion is to email the top guy, the police officers and the investigators and put this mystery to them, have them read the forum to see what theory's are going on, where else we should look or if they have been following it maybe they could give us their points of view.

Just a suggestion:
http://southjerseyghostresearch.org/sjgrmembers/

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by logicworks
After sleeping on the midwife theory, I did some 'intuitive' work today, asking for higher guidance. I am going to be brave here and venture to interpret what I think this means as I go along.

I went back to the place near where 220 intersects with route 15, Williamsport, where I looked out over the Susquehanna River right after RG disappeared and thought how beautiful and my car felt like it was picked up, shook hard and put down, transmission gone, at the large billboard of a mother nursing her baby.

Today I looked to see what other 'signs' might be close by and was completely 'blown away' by first sign I saw....Bastian.
That is the name I found yesterday, of the lactation consultant at Geisinger. (thinking at this time 'why didn't I see that before?' And I know the answer is because I wasn't ready for it yet.)

I looked for more.....saw one other one....Susquehanna Supply. I could hardly wait to get home to look it up. I knew it was a local to Wmspt paper company, but didn't feel that was what I was looking for. I thought about the river water supply, but felt that wasn't it either. I wanted to see what came up online when I put in Susquehanna Supply....... looking for a business close by that had the name Susquehanna attached to it.....Sure enough......first thing that came up was a supply place between route 45 bridge in Lewisburg and route 147. It is on Center Street, a small back street in Montandon.

It is right down the road from where, (when I looked on gis map), I saw two faces when I scanned across the route 45 bridge to see what was on the other side from where RG's car was parked. (When I first saw them, I thought 'what are those two faces doing on a map?' I thought it was an advertisement, something to do with the GIS map.....LOL. I had them enlarged to get a better look.)

Was a search ever done of any outlying areas in that direction? On the map it appears there is a large open area from Center Street, all the way up to a Milton Airfield? There is a Housels Run Road to the right on the map, and up above, a Milton Airfield?
Only thing closeby running up through the area is a set of railroad tracks from what I see on the map.

Going back to that day when my car shook to remember every single little detail.
I called for a tow truck.
Drive came with a big red and white (flashy)...(Isn't that the same description of RG's mini?).... flatbed truck.
Pulled my car up on the flatbed.
The driver said we needed to go get gas in his truck..(I thought that was rather 'strange')
We went to a back alley by a big junkyard, (Locust street), just above.... Center street..... (need to check to see if there is a junkyard on that back Center Street in Montandon). I already checked on the map for a Locust Street. Closest I found was in Milton about a block or two from where WIC lactation meetings are held.

Going back over everything in finest detail.....
Driver filled up with gas and headed for Centre County. All the way back, the truck rode so rough, I was shaken harder than I have ever been in any truck.

Driver missed the beltway turnoff and ended up having to go through towns he didn't want to go through.
(Guessing maybe this could have happened to the driver of the Mini.)

Unloaded the car at parking lot.
(Just realized!!.... it was the same dealership where I was guided to go to up on the third hill to find my next new 'old' car... months later.) Wonder if there are any 'third' hills behind Center Street in Montandon.

He dropped me off at work, where I called my boss to use another car and left again, to go see my dad who was very ill.

Just putting this 'out there'.......hoping it might somehow all piece together, or that someone might pick up on something I may have missed, or misinterpreted.

Doing a grid map based on 'intuition', rather large area, but would define it as.....
1. bottom line, route 45
2. left upward line, route 405
3. right upward line, route 147
4 top line, route 642

To get even more specific, I would go with route 45 to Housel's Run Road (I think that is what it's called, can't see it all that well on my map) up to and including Milton Airfield and back down close to railroad tracks.
That is my best 'intuitive' guess *today* judging from what I can make out of what happened to me nearly two years ago and piecing the 'Susquehanna' into it.
Just an 'intuitive' opinion.

Check the Map Quest interactive map. Rt 45, Lewisburg, PA. I followed it to Montandon and almost to the Rt 147 intersection or bypass there is a turnoff on the left with a railroad running alongside the turn off. Goes back to a factory of somekind. What I found odd is there is a white dot on Rt 147 beside that road. I didn't see any other dots on the highway.

Also this was towards the turnoff I had mentioned a long time ago that had led to another quarry with a railroad running to it and then stopping. It also led back to Milton. I haven't checked again to see what the Rt numbers are and I don't remember. So I will check that out. I was wondering how many miles that place was from where RG's car was? How about Montandon?

[sherrijean981]

It is 1.86 miles from Rt 45 Lewisburg to Montandon but would not give me distance to Wolfe Rd just before Rt 147 so I assume it is only a very short distance. I also did find other white circles on the Rt 147. Now what do they mean, mile markers? or where the road pillars are?

I also can not find the area I was talking about. I will have to do further searching with other maps. I get so frustrated when I can't remember the road names. I know 254 was one from Milton and it eventually came back to Rt 45. The area I mentioned would be easier to get to from 45 than 254. JMO

I have a question now. If you are getting all the places and names of the people you suspect RG could have been meeting with, are you now going to get in touch with them to find out if he did in fact meet with them and got his information? What is the LE got phone calls from these people and told them about their meeting, maybe they already know he was there, what he talked to them about and what it was in reference to. They haven't been forthcoming in other items so they wouldn't here either.

My opinion is this: RG is working on a shaken baby syndrome and in my mind the lowest kind of person would do this, a horrible thing for anyone to go through, but a small innocent child to suffer that way? From the man who is supposed to love and take care of him? What kind of fear did that dear little baby endure at his hands that day?

RG was getting ready to fight for this small child who never had a chance at living a life, with all the life's experiences that go with it. He finds out everything he needs to know and it would put this man away or to death forever. But someone decides instead of letting this non-American die or go to prison they will let RG be "disappeared" forever. One good man and an innocent baby for the freedom of a killer. Now did this decision come from the killer's friends/family/associates/country or was it RG's own friends/family/associates/country that has caused this huge loss?

Where would they have done this deed? Put his body?

What if he found his info and was on the way back but someone from another case that has been furious with RG for a long time, that has been watching him, decides it is time to get rid of him. The computer has nothing to do with it other than it was in the car and they wanted to get rid of it, just to throw LE off? What if there are a couple connecting factors with a two cases going on? Or this was just his chance to get RG alone?

So this is what my mind has come to. A jumble of all the information and now we have it how do we put it together? Questions, questions and more questions!

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by logicworks
There is a local group at PSU in State College who are also into ghosts.
I had heard of the group before but that's about it.
I remember a friend of mine saying he attended the conference there. If I recall correctly, Carla Baron was supposed to be there but then cancelled.
I just noticed when I found this link, there is something about their role in calling Carla Baron's attention to the Cindy Song case.

Never had an interest in ghost hunting myself, so just passing it along for anyone who is interested and because it is local. I would think if Carla Baron worked with them on the Song case, maybe they also were somewhat involved in the Gricar case.
I just scanned over it quickly so maybe there is something about the Gricar case on it??

I notice they have a posting board that may be of interest to some.

http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/paranorm.../empire2.shtml

Just passing it along for those who are interested.

I checked this site out and read a lot of the threads but all I was getting from it was that CB and one of the men who started this club were friends at one time. He brought her in for the Cindy Song case but he found out after she was coming to town that she was doing a show on RG?

I question why he didn't have her there himself on the high profile disappearance of RG, Missing DA? Why wait for someone else to do it? Or do they only worry about the young college people a this club?

I did find the experiences of other people posting very interesting and made me think a little on CB, Logic and others on the forum. What I call a house settling for the night, to other people a spirit?

One I did relate to was the feeling of someone behind you or the flitting in the corner of the eye, like someone had moved but no one there. Or the smell of your father's aftershave (and he being gone since 1998) in a time of pain and stress.

I was missing a former preacher and his wife, that had been there for me, when I was going through my first experience with breast cancer. He and his wife moved away and I lost a very good preacher. We have only talked or written a couple times over the years since the late 1980's. Lately I had thought a lot of them but knew they had moved and did not have a new address. During the holiday season we received a long missed letter from them with their new address. After years of not writing, to finally hear from them, it was like a gift from God. I am now waiting to hear from them again. I asked for a copy of a song they used to sing at church, that got me through my radiation treatments. I am now hoping I get it from them.

Are our thoughts being transmitted by our Guardian Angels who work through God? If so we should get a large prayer chain going for RG. They work for healing, maybe it will work for finding.
JMO

[Cloudbuster]

Here is a link to Carlas haunting journal. It has many photos!!!
http://home.att.net/~carla.baron/hauntingjournal2.html


Here is another interesting link:


http://paranormal.about.com/library/blnews.htm

[sherrijean981]

I had recently read a posting on CB about the RG case. Tonight one of the things mentioned about her visit and what she was "seeing" in the warehouse popped in my head and I had to mention it.

We were watching a Court TV program about an investigation on a murder. It turned out they caught the guy because of the plastic ties used to tie up the victim's hands. They were strong and cheaper to use and could be carried in their vehicles or on their person. He had used plastic ties that only law enforcement used on criminals they were arresting. It turned out to be someone who was connected with law enforcement but had been out of it for a while, but kept the ties in his home.

CB said RG was tied with plastic ties, so were they the kind law enforcement use? Was someone in LE with him? Just a thought I had today.

[Cloudbuster]

Interesting thoughts Sherrij! The ties would be in the car cause they intended to use them on RG (if CB is right).
So they knew who they intended to abduct. (all based on if CB is right).
CB also said the abductors was NOT the persons who killed RG.
So that means they was the stalkers-followers of RG. The people responsible for delivering him.
If CB is right I can see RG going if he saw a gun and a threat was made.

Key--- how can the place they took him be in Milton if they was following RG? I don't think RG just conviently traveled to their headquater area?

Someone had to know exactly where Ray was heading and what time? Think about it. Someone may have even suggested he go to the place he frequented in Lewisburg as a means of rest and relaxation from the fatigue. That person would have to know where he was heading. Thats the best innocent way to get Ray there. Problem is all we have is PF getting that call. She wanted a notice on Honey the dog so she could know if she had to go home to feed Honey. She would be the only one that could know when Ray was in route to there? If only we could see who else knew --those darn phone records! MOO

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by logicworks


His name is changed here in the US from Mendez to Vargas, and then back to Mendez once back in Costa Rica. It says he had an extended visit to the US on website, and that his wife would soon be joining him. Two people, so in love that they fight all the way across America to see this wrong made right now don't want to be immediately together now that nothing is stopping them.

Out of all of his cases, this one stuck out like a 'sore thumb', including threats and LE being called in as a result of those threats. The ending makes no sense.
JMO

Maybe just get him out of the US before they find RG's body? Connecting something to VM? Had anyone from Costa Rica come to Centre County, arriving at University Airport, anytime close to when RG disappeared? A friend or relative of V/M? Did he leave the states alone or with someone else? Has his wife ever gone there or is she still here alone?

If so, maybe she has found out since then that he was connected with his babies death and will not be following him. Maybe the idea was to get him out of the states and never see him again. JMO

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster
Interesting thoughts Sherrij! The ties would be in the car cause they intended to use them on RG (if CB is right).
So they knew who they intended to abduct. (all based on if CB is right).
CB also said the abductors was NOT the persons who killed RG.
So that means they was the stalkers-followers of RG. The people responsible for delivering him.
If CB is right I can see RG going if he saw a gun and a threat was made.

Key--- how can the place they took him be in Milton if they was following RG? I don't think RG just conviently traveled to their headquater area?

Someone had to know exactly where Ray was heading and what time? Think about it. Someone may have even suggested he go to the place he frequented in Lewisburg as a means of rest and relaxation from the fatigue. That person would have to know where he was heading. Thats the best innocent way to get Ray there. Problem is all we have is PF getting that call. She wanted a notice on Honey the dog so she could know if she had to go home to feed Honey. She would be the only one that could know when Ray was in route to there? If only we could see who else knew --those darn phone records! MOO

You showed links to a Bed & Breakfast at the old farm. Was that place checked to see if RG had been there?

Also is there anyway to get the info from the people you suggested he was meeting with? Would they freely tell anyone other than LE that RG had met with them and why didn't they come forward after he disappeared? They wouldn't really be breaking a confidence of another person, since he was just asking about info on the V/M babies case. That info would have helped LE immensely, at least connecting it to a case he was working on at the time.

On a different subject just mentioned recently about environment issues, RG would turn a company in that he knew something illegal was going on. He did it with the case of the Zion man that was illegally dumping waste from funeral homes and outhouses. It was due to RG reporting the man, that he was fined. Why not a larger company? JMO

[sherrijean981]

LW,
I was reading a novel and found a reference to one of your horses.

The woman is reading a book "Secrets of Gypsy Fortune-telling" by Raymond Buckland (I researched the name and found the author), and is learning about reading tea leafs. One of the things was reading tea leaves with just a small amount of tea in the cup ans swirling it around. You will have to get the book to see how many times, but after it settles the leaves on the sides make a pattern of something and you are to see what it is. She swirled and her shape was in the shape of a horse's head. She looked in the book and it said that "a lover is coming". There was another shape and the book says whatever comes to mind first is what you would look for. She found a pyramid but it also could have been a triangle. Looking up pyramid it means "a great secret will be revealed."

Now with your horse who would the lover be coming to you? And are your triangles more a pyramid or triangle? And where is your secret going to be revealed?

There are books available on an internet site.

[day2day]

Originally posted by logicworks



Phone and appointment records would probably tell a whole different story than the one we've heard.......he was off relaxing after sleeping in that morning.

Either he was followed or someone knew his destination, if not his route of travel. Foul play scenario leans more toward 'planned' than 'random', IMO. There would be no time to impliment a plan just from overhearing a conversation about location on route 192. Doubtful RG felt in any danger at the time of call, IF he didn't say so on the phone or call 911 instead.

Maybe the person he was going to meet was a bit 'skittish' considering it could be related to murder charges. Meeting at the park or walking through the Street of Shops instead of a 'sit-down' meeting possibly points toward not wanting to discuss something in an office setting?

Since his car was by the park and then left, obviously he went somewhere else. Milton or enroute to Milton, holds possibility, IMO, if he planned to meet with the County expert, which I would think was a possibility if that was his reason for being in another county that day. Going to Milton might 'press' the timeline, if he also intended to go to Danville that day, and be back home by 5.

He may have gone from Lewisburg, let's say 1:30-ish, on to Danville, with meeting 2-3, leaving to be back home by 5. That leaves a 2-3 hour window for whatever happened.

Allowing 1/2 hour to return the car to the lot, leaves a 1.5 hour window, meaning possibly somewhere immediately following a Danville meeting. Considering the jeep was found at the drive in close to where the Danville meeting would have taken place, seems possible that whatever happened was in that area.

That's Montour County; Bob Buehner's area. Is that why he was hollering so loudly? Obviously he wouldn't have sat on the case.
Centre County's doing so doesn't seem to impress BB.

Surely if RG had an appointment at Geisinger, it would be known by LE. If they didn't find it out on their own, the expert would surely have come forward to say 'we had an appointment that day'. Possibly more of what we're not being told?

Thinking about AVM's 'hand slap' with an free ride home ticket in the other hand.....he was in jail at the time, so LE knew he personally couldn't have done it. Thought about the possibility of whether he was involved or not, even from jail contacts, it wouldn't stop LE later on, if anything ever did surface.

Once offered an opportunity to get out of jail to be with his wife, who was ballistic thoughout his prison time to free him to her loving arms, he instead choses to leave and return to Costa Rica. OH....yes..... She will be returning there with him. Why does she have to wait? Why doesn't he take her with him? Why doesn't he stay here with her?

His name is changed here in the US from Mendez to Vargas, and then back to Mendez once back in Costa Rica. It says he had an extended visit to the US on website, and that his wife would soon be joining him. Two people, so in love that they fight all the way across America to see this wrong made right now don't want to be immediately together now that nothing is stopping them.

Out of all of his cases, this one stuck out like a 'sore thumb', including threats and LE being called in as a result of those threats. The ending makes no sense.
JMO

Hi LW!
This case has also bothered me...!!

[Cinderella]

I thought that maybe this would be a great thread to compare what unusual things happen in our life so that we can compare with others that want to take part. Many posters have experienced the water situations. So I am going to bring those over to this thread. We might see that we could be receiving clues and not know it. I know that God wants Ray to be found. So with a prayer that God will help us and reveal where Ray is here we go. Anything Unusual that catches your eye or doesn't happen normally.

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Intuition.....pass on by if not interested.

Passing this along because of the timing of when I sense it could have been planted. I started sensing there was something related to RG under 'a' bridge in June and told billywahoo about what I was sensing in a PM weeks before it was found. I assumed billywahoo was LE related, since I had been asked questions earlier about what I sensed.

I asked if the two bridges had been thoroughly checked underneath because I kept seeing a bridge, with stones going up the sides, like they do on the big bridges, and there being something tucked under it. (Only thought of 'tucked' because I sensed it was so close to the bridge, it was actually touching a part of the structure.)

Assuming both bridges had been more than thoroughly checked out and because I sensed what appeared to be a wooden bridge closeby I asked BW if Hufnagle Park area could be checked out, where there is a wooden bridge, and not far from the other bridges according to what I was able to find online about the closest wooden bridge.

I didn't know if it was a weapon, the laptop, some possession of RG's or RG himself. Just knew there was something related to RG under a bridge and wanted it checked out. Who or where or IF BW took it from there, I don't know. But if I were going to put a time on it being placed there based solely on when I started sensing it, it began in June. I vow next case, I WILL log everything day by day.

IF BW is still around he might remember the date when I PM'd him. I will look back through my piles of notes to see if I can find it. Maybe by reading some of the old posts I can come up with it.
From what I recall now in hindsight, it was somewhere around the first of July when I PM'd him, but I had been sensing it for a couple of weeks before. It could have been there and it just took me that long to pick up on it, but if placed, and I sensed that placement, then early to mid-june would be my best guess, for what it's worth.
All just my intuitive opinion.

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Logic,

First of all I saw your horses head today in a country book, it might be Called a Taste of Country. The head of the horse is almost exactly like the horse lake head. It was outside and like a iron horse head. I had snow on it. I don't know if it sat on top of a mailbox or was just outside someone's house sitting. It was just the head. I also saw horses in some pictures, but they didn't stand out like the head because it looked exactly like the horse head lake.

Another thing is probably since Ray disappeared, I have been no matter how careful I am always stepping close to my dogs water dish and spilling the water constantly. Last evening, I thought why does this happen all the time to me, then the idea of water came to me.

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What I have found particularly interesting, is whenever I ask anyone where they think RG is, the answers are always water related. Not certain if that is because of the river scenario, or if it's collective consciousness, but after last week's 'leaks', I am all the further convinced some part is still water related.

I continue to read 'No Stone Unturned' to see if there are any other apparent things a copycat might had studied. I am nearing the end, a drug case, where the users are caught, going to trial, but decide to kill the informant.

In the informants case, they got a U-haul truck, and had a barrel in the back with cement mix, all ready to put her in after they hit her, but one of the guys panicked when she fought back, so he ran out and took off with the U-haul truck forcing them to come up with an alternate plan. She ended up in a car at the bottom of a quarry lake.

In the set-up to catch them, they had another guy pretend he was going to get rid of an informant and asked for their help.

ONE thing struck me as particularly 'strange'.....they asked the guy if he had a friend who worked on a farm. If so, they said a hay chopper would hide him so good NO one would ever find him.
It was SO hauntingly reminiscent of what BJL was rumored to have said.....'I hid him so good no one will ever find him.'
It almost sounded like a word for word rendition of what these guys said. Skeeeery.
JMO

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Im in awe at all these water clues. Now Cind has a water clue. I have water leaks occurring? Im just curious about how many on the forum are experiencing water leaks currently or something to due with water? We have 3 of us now and ? Anyone else?

I just thought I would ask because I believe there are no coindences and perhaps the water holds a big clue? Stop and think and notice it if it does happen to you. I like this one lets get group consious lol.

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Does a toilet leak count?! If so -count me in...

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Continuous drip in bathroom sink faucet.

(Has rained on & off for last 2 days; big dought before that)
(Had to pay water bill yesterday)

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Does a leak from the front window or side window in the car count? It soaked my passenger side of the front seat! I looked and felt like I wet myself until we drove an hour to pick up our ggrandson!


Also the huge water break under my kitchen sink and the large repair job and last week the bathroom drain was leaking!

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Does a leak from the front window or side window in the car count? It soaked my passenger side of the front seat! I looked and felt like I wet myself until we drove an hour to pick up our ggrandson!


Also the huge water break under my kitchen sink and the large repair job and last week the bathroom drain was leaking!
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I forgot about the car. I had the same thing happen last week.
If I wasn't ducking from the leaks, or wading through it, I was sitting in it.

I still think the answer is connected to water, the constant question being......'where is RG'?
If our clue is water, then 'where'?
The location may well determine the who and why.

I wonder if LE has conducted any searches since the early searches of the area below the bridges, the quarry pond on route 45, or the area S1 speaks of at Shickellamy Park overlook.

If none of them render any clues, then back to Centre County. I would begin at Penn's Cave Lake area or the heart itself, to clear that up as being only the possible call area, then on to Sayer's Dam.

The fact that there is no body most likely indicates 'hidden' rather than 'just not stumbled across yet', so the river areas are doubtful but if they were searched with dogs, at least we could move them from the top of the list to the bottom.
And when might we expect to see any of this happen?

Last night's reading of No Stone Unturned had LE out at a quarry, mid February, 20 degrees out, drilling through ice searching, and it turned out it wasn't the right quarry. Still haven't got to the part of where they finally find her in a quarry, but I was in awe of how far these LE teams went to search for the answer when we see nothing but a notice to hunters....'hey, if you trip over anything, call us. 'cause we're missing a DA'.......Something totally wrong with that picture.
JMO



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[Cinderella]

Last night, I had something totally unexpected happen to me.
The plasitc panel that covers the vanity lightbulbs came crashing down into the sink. When I looked at the plastic panel to see what happened, it had broken in the middle. Exposing the light for me to see better. It uncovered the light. Does that mean that God wants Ray's disappearance exposed or maybe God will shine more light on the situation. Just wanted to tell you to see if this happens to anyone else. Anything about the light.

I am not a psychic, but after Logic has been saying things, I notice things more than I used to.

If anyone is interested just jot down anything unusual or any unusual feelings.

Pray that God would reveal to you anything that could pertain to this case. Expect to receive some thoughts or information.

[Cinderella]

As I hit the former post send button, something came to my mind.
Yesterday, I was told that I could talk to a certain male person and that he would be there all day. Today I called and asked to speak to him and the woman said that he wasn't there. He was at a different area. Could that mean that someone told Ray that they would meet him and that person didn't show up?

[Cinderella]

What a wonderful post, Logic. When I think about the plastic crashing down in the sink, I was thinking about water again. A sink is what holds water and lets it out. I am wondering, could Ray have fallen in the water or something that holds water. A sink is also called a basin. It was very forceful though. It was like being thrown with a crash. It seems more like if that happened, then it was forceful. Somebody either threw him or he jumped. A big crash. There is the broken part also. It was broke in half. I have to say that once I thought about all of it, it could be a sign. I am not a psychic. I don't know where Ray is. I have been praying to find answers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basin

Wash basin, a bowl (vessel) designed to contain water for the purpose of cleaning hands and other minor ablutions; see also sink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_basin

A drainage basin is a region of land where water from rain or snow melt drains downhill into a body of water, such as a river, lake, dam, estuary, wetland, sea or ocean. The drainage basin includes both the streams and rivers that convey the water as well as the land surfaces from which water drains into those channels. The drainage basin acts like a funnel - collecting all the water within the area covered by the basin and channeling it into a waterway. Each drainage basin is separated topographically from adjacent basins by a ridge, hill or mountain, which is known as a water divide or a watershed. Especially in North American usage however, watershed refers to the drainage basin itself. Other terms that can be used to describe the same concept are catchment, catchment area, catchment basin, drainage area, river basin and water basin.

Sorry for "stepping" on your post, gs. "Sometimes I feel like a motherless child."

[Cinderella]

That is a good thought and that is what we need for posters to give their impressions. I don't feel anything about it, because my plastic fell or crashed from a higher up area above the sink. So I don't think that their are any high areas that someone could throw a person in that water or even if a person jumped in it would have to be higher. From my point of view. From my sink incident, I don't get the feeling that he jumped in. It was like a crash, like he would be thrown in. If that is what happened to him. I thank you for posting though. It could have maybe been what we were looking for, but I don't think.

It could have been either the Bellefonte quarry or the Jacksonville quarry. I would think that it might be the Jacksonville quarry because it is close to Howard. It also could have been from the Howard Dam that area that Logic was looking at as the horse. You can walk up there and it is high above the water. I would be pretty sure that it would have to have a fence so that no one could get hurt. I have never been up there, but I think that there is a marker about Joseph Foster Sayer. I am not sure what is up there or how it is. My legs are not that good for climbing or going up hills so I could not check it out, but it is possible. That is from what I thought about my sink incidence. It could be somewhere else like I guess the Shilkellamy Park place or some high place.

Keep thinking about these incidents and watching around you. I forget who said that they had a leaky faucet, that could indicate water coming out, like a dam. I don't know, as this is new to me.
Anything that might help find Ray, I am not discounting.

gstickley, when I was getting read to send this, I backtracked to your post and the word "Dam" caught my eye. Maybe he is at a Dam. I was thinking of the specific dam that you posted, but it could just be the word "dam". They could be the reason that you felt to post that. Just for that one word.

Originally posted by gstickley

Once again: ???

It has happened. JMO

[Cinderella]

S1,

One of the mothers on the site would probably adopt you. How old of a mother are you looking for?
To make you feel comfortable here is your favorite. :santa:

[Cinderella]

gstickley, I wanted to tell you that I am very saddened that they are taking the McCoy Dam. It has been there all of my life. I remember going past it and people fishing out of it. It looked a lot better. The grass was cut and it seemed like many were fishing and enjoying themselves.

It is too bad that the government allows the streams to be polluted. I guess that must be the answer. If a stream is polluted then fill it in with dirt.

Same with them moving the acid rock. WHY?