Results of the PSP-CIA review

[day2day]

Sick and tired of waiting for the "report"???? ...Lord have mercy..WHY won't they just tell us something...

[ladyheartfixer]

I'm tired of waiting and wondering what the hold up is. I also miss the lively chatter here. Are we just going to sit quietly and wait for the report to come out that everything was handled correctly?

[day2day]

Originally posted by ladyheartfixer
I'm tired of waiting and wondering what the hold up is. I also miss the lively chatter here. Are we just going to sit quietly and wait for the report to come out that everything was handled correctly?

Hiya LHF...

I sure miss it too !! I am almost convinced they don't want to reveal the "report"..OR they are hoping we will forget about it

Even though Pete Bosak said that he will post the report I doubt very seriously that it will be the full report. Think about it.....why would the police allow us to know what the state police determined? Won't they have some investigating and digging around to do? Yeah like they are really going to share the info with us. No way! The boards will light up again sometime. Too bad Billy Boo Hoo and Parlor Elephant had such a snit with one another.....now they don't want to play anymore! Come out come out where ever you are.....

[ladyheartfixer]

I also think that Tony said he would share when the report came out.

Hey guys....maybe we should picket and protest on the courthouse steps? How do you think they would like that?

[Hbgchick]

Cinderella, I noticed your post went missing on the other board. I read it before it was deleted though - where did you come by your information? Can it be proved? Not that I disbelieve you but something of this magnitude must be fleshed out.

[day2day]

Cinderella

I am sure you know much more about this case than I do. That being said...I had never heard about BJL before this case...

I do not believe that BJL commited suicide...
I do not believe that it was a "coincidence" either
I do not believe we as individuals will EVER know the truth about what really happened to Mr. Gricar...(we can't even find out which door he used on 4/14/2005)

What I DO KNOW...
IF I ever "vanish"...I pray that there would be people like you guys here..that would search the clues..ask the HARD questions..ruffle feathers..in hopes that the truth would surface!!

...

[Cloudbuster]

Originally posted by day2day
Cinderella

I am sure you know much more about this case than I do. That being said...I had never heard about BJL before this case...

I do not believe that BJL commited suicide...
I do not believe that it was a "coincidence" either
I do not believe we as individuals will EVER know the truth about what really happened to Mr. Gricar...(we can't even find out which door he used on 4/14/2005)

What I DO KNOW...
IF I ever "vanish"...I pray that there would be people like you guys here..that would search the clues..ask the HARD questions..ruffle feathers..in hopes that the truth would surface!!

...

D2D you and all the others I promise to to be there If any of you would vanish!! Cinderella and D2D I never believed BJL commited suicide. What I do believe is its 2 different things going on here. BJLs case seems connected indirectly to the RG case. That explains the coindence (its really not a coindence though). RG probably knew nothing about BJL wanting to go to him with information. I don't believe BJL ever really got to give RG the info. I think someone personal to BJL may have got to BJL first. (speculating) That is the tragic part of all this.

D2D I think we will learn the truth. I don't know when but its gotta be coming. There are only two of the three theories it fits to.

Saunterer I have to ask you this? Was PF married before? From what I was told she supposedly was. Also if so did he work in the courthouse something in the area of Probation or with Juvinules?

[Cloudbuster]

Originally posted by Saunterer
Patty married the son of a judge in 1989, both then probation officers in Centre County. They were divorced in 1999 and Patty retook her maiden name.

The 'big' thread, 6/3/06:
http://board2.courttv.com/showthread.php?postid=8104912

Saunterer I want to applaud you for being able to find that link! Im covering my eyes right now lol. There is that DARN 1989 year again. Crap. In that year a case went down May 16,1989-It ended up from what I can tell as a cover up case. It was about a accident on a highway. The riddler who tried to explain it did'nt leave enough bread crumbs to follow but just enough to vaguely understand. The riddle man himself seemed dangerous. All I got out of the letter was there seemed alot of money involved and someone or possibly more than one died from the case. I never did find the case online? The date May 16 did'nt line up with cases I looked at. It also accused Ray of covering up or at least he believed Ray did. Just looking at some specualtion.

[Cloudbuster]

I read the link Saunterer and Im also thinking about Ms Fentons sighting. The judge who saw Ray and cannot recall the day we all know that story.

Now can anyone explain this part? If the Judge can't remember if it was Thursday or Friday CAN HE NOT remember if the metallic silver or tannish CAR was the one he saw RAY in???? For all that is good did he loose his sense of COLOR TOO????

Okay cut the judge a break here and did he see Ray outside his car in the parking lot?? Thats important because then we could know if Ray was checking the parking lot for his MINI or was he going to or from the courthouse???

If he remained in his silverish-tan car then it looks like he was looking for his mini. If he was'nt in the car when the judge saw him then it means he was in the courthouse.

Just the judge remembering something so minor as a COLOR could help clarify a lot. Why has he at least not confirmed the COLOR? I can see skipping the day BUT comeon the color???

[day2day]

Just what this case needed ..a "mysteryman"...!!

[Cloudbuster]

Well if we do the YUELING I won't be hard to spot. Just look for the long black hair and I'll let you in on mystery age lol okay its early 40's.

[day2day]

Originally posted by Saunterer
Q - This case was referred to the special investigative unit of the state police several months ago. I heard last week on WJAC TV that they have not begun to review the case. It seems unusual that they have not looked at the case as of the current date. What would be the reason for the delay? Anonymous 9/09/06

A - I'm not sure what the reason is for the delay, but that state police team is not scheduled to meet with investigators until next month now. So I guess we'll just have to wait and see. In the meantime, there have been no new leads called in to police, so the trail really has grown completely cold. Pete Bosak 9/11/06

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centr.../qa_forum.html

BS ..is all I have to say..BS! IF that was MY Dad..I would be tearing someones door down! yesterday!

Thanks for the update S. even if it isn't what we wanted to hear

Really and truly it has been nothing but bull**** from the very begining! I wonder if the police really do want to solve this case? Actions speak much louder than words! Poor Ray....he deserves so much better than this! Once again I say why not hold a protest on the court house lawn? So we have been waiting all this time to hear about there findings and they have not even begun!!! Unbelievable! The leads that they have been given they have discounted totally! What gives here guys? They need to go and wire Joe Leathers to a polygraph machine!

A man after my own heart!

[day2day]

MM..
I am speechless. (and that is rare)! I have NO clue why ANYONE would claim they "know" where Mr. Gricar is. And if they DO know where he is, why they would bring this news to a message board and not straight to LE. I did not mean to offend anyone here. If I did, I am sorry

That being said, since SO many people claim to know that he is alive and where he is, WHY are we wasting our time here? There are so many missing people out there ..and their families would love all the help that has been offered in a forum like this?

~considers changing my name to clueless-gal!!

[day2day]

Originally posted by tiredoftheguff
A man after my own heart!

shame on you...LOL

[Cloudbuster]

Saunterer do you mean there are more nieces and nephews?

Originally posted by Saunterer
CB - yes ... well, you're half right. Apparently the male genes predominate in these 'by-the-low-hill' dwellers. These questions were answered before by billywahoo, and the answers are still here. But, of course, one disgruntled poster labeled billywahoo as some sort of 'spin-meister', so all 'his' info is tainted.

Cloudbuster,

Tony Gricar has two brothers. One is named Andrew and is the youngest of the three. The name of the third escapes me at the moment.

Saunterer knows that Tony has two brothers and could provide you with this information without sending you on a wild goose chase to go look for it elsewhere on these threads and without one of those subtle slams on other posters Saunterer is so famous for. Sounds like Saunterer is just begging to be sent to bed without supper again.

[Cloudbuster]

Originally posted by Saunterer
MOO - The DC reported today (see the Sticky Links thread) that the PSP meeting will be Nov. 15-17 ... and will take place outside of Centre County, but the location is confidential. WTH? Every other media account I've seen in the last two days said Oct. 31 - Nov. 2!

As an aside, CB and C: ........ Cloudbuster calls me, I answer quite slowly, a girl with kaleidoscope eyes ....... (a corruption of, I think, a Beatles' song). No ... I haven't seen "that scene" since I stopped growing my own mushrooms. But it appears that growing mushrooms (or something similar) may be one of CB's hobbies ... not much was working for you the other night!! You didn't ... say, maybe ... drop off any 'packages' at C's house lately did you? OMG, LOL! JK ... but I do hope you have better luck "seeing" RG!

WOW I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BREAK CT TV RULES AND ACCUSE ME OF? SELLING DRUGS FOR A HOBBYYY? IF you only knew how much I HATE drugs! I would NEVER deliever any package containing ANY type of DRUGS EVER!!!! I WORK HARD AND I FIND THIS COMMENT AGAINST THE RULES THAT I AM TRYING TO STAND BY COLDWATERS RULES! YOU HATE THE LION BOARD? Escuchen you owe a Perdo'n.

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What I DO KNOW...
IF I ever "vanish"...I pray that there would be people like you guys here..that would search the clues..ask the HARD questions..ruffle feathers..in hopes that the truth would surface!!

... [/b]

AMEN to that !!

[day2day]

For the PSP report? .....I for one am tired of waiting. I wish they would just release the findings..

For the entire Gricar family!

You are still very much in my thoughts and prayers..

[J. J. in Phila]

They may have just met; October won't even be over for a few hours.

Originally posted by day2day
For the PSP report? .....I for one am tired of waiting. I wish they would just release the findings..

For the entire Gricar family!

You are still very much in my thoughts and prayers..

The three-day meeting of Pennsylvania State Police investigators to discuss the case was scheduled — after several delays — to be held today, tomorrow and Thursday. But I've heard it has been pushed back yet again to mid-November. ... Let's hope PSP sees something that was missed in the days, weeks and months after Ray disappeared. They're those "fresh sets of eyes" everyone has been calling for. Check back here tomorrow.
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centr.../qa_forum.html

[day2day]

I just can't freaking believe this. It is way past time for someone (hint hint PF) who loved this man SO much..to start throwin a hissy fit.

[Cloudbuster]

d2d I understand your fury. With all due repect I think its gonna take the people of that area to throw the fit.

[day2day]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster
d2d I understand your fury. With all due repect I think its gonna take the people of that area to throw the fit.

Hi there Cloudbuster!
I just don't understand why the citizens aren't outraged. This man was there for them. He spent many years fighting for them..
If I thought it would help I would go there myself.

It makes me so sad to think that his family will have to spend yet another Thanksgiving with no answers.

[sherrijean981]

I was searching the internet for any type of info on RG and found the site The Digital Collegian 02/06/1998. It was an interview by Jennifer Nejman with Ray Gricar.

There were 3 paragraphs that caught my attention:

1. Quote: "Ive always preferred to prosecute cases involving violent crimes. I do all the cases that we prosecute in the areas of sexual assault and domestic violence."

2. Quote: "I think that we have a terrific court system from top to bottom. The system works well and it's because of the people who are part of it."

3. Quote: "I love it here. I am a career prosecutor. Twenty-eight years speaks for itself and I don't have any plans to do anything else."

I believe the BPD, PSP and everyone in the court house need to read these three things. One, to check his files for the violent assaulter(s) and find him. Two, to prove and show to the community that they stand by him and the community the same as RJ did for them. Three, to see that his feeling were, he was a career prosecutor, and his career was not over until Dec. He had no intention of giving it up to do anything else until Dec. when he retired.

Also his hobby was photography. Did he take a camera with him on his trips? Are there any missing from his home? Did he take any pictures that would incriminate someone of a crime? Has anyone reviewed his pictures or any that might still be on film?

How is it that "The Daily Collegian", a student published newspaper, knew about the postponement of the PSP meeting on September 21, and the vaunted "Centre Daily Times" apparently had no clue until 6 weeks later?
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive...06dnews-13.asp

[sherrijean981]

I believe that was one of the 1st or 2nd postponements. I remember reading it wasn't to happen until early to mid November before and when Pete said it was being postponed to mid November I was wondering about that because of what I had seen elsewhere. Been to so many sites I don't remember where I originally read it.

Has anyone considered an "inside" job? A co-worker with a grudge? A friend?

[day2day]

Originally posted by sherrijean981
I was searching the internet for any type of info on RG and found the site The Digital Collegian 02/06/1998. It was an interview by Jennifer Nejman with Ray Gricar.

There were 3 paragraphs that caught my attention:

1. Quote: "Ive always preferred to prosecute cases involving violent crimes. I do all the cases that we prosecute in the areas of sexual assault and domestic violence."

2. Quote: "I think that we have a terrific court system from top to bottom. The system works well and it's because of the people who are part of it."

3. Quote: "I love it here. I am a career prosecutor. Twenty-eight years speaks for itself and I don't have any plans to do anything else."

I believe the BPD, PSP and everyone in the court house need to read these three things. One, to check his files for the violent assaulter(s) and find him. Two, to prove and show to the community that they stand by him and the community the same as RJ did for them. Three, to see that his feeling were, he was a career prosecutor, and his career was not over until Dec. He had no intention of giving it up to do anything else until Dec. when he retired.

Also his hobby was photography. Did he take a camera with him on his trips? Are there any missing from his home? Did he take any pictures that would incriminate someone of a crime? Has anyone reviewed his pictures or any that might still be on film?

Thank you for the quotes. IMO they have shown the community exactly what they think of Mr. Gricar. Although the three Amish children was a terrible tragedy for the state of Pennsylvania, I don't believe for one second thats why they had to "postpone" their meeting...

Great question about the camera...!!

[ladyheartfixer]

yes, we are still waiting and I'm glad to see that Tony Gricar is finally getting as exasperated as we have been here.

[day2day]

Originally posted by ladyheartfixer
yes, we are still waiting and I'm glad to see that Tony Gricar is finally getting as exasperated as we have been here.

Hi Ladyheartfixer...
Still waiting and wondering...I suppose the PSP can count their blessings that they are dealing with Tony Gricar and not day2day...

[day2day]

P-a-t-i-e-n-c-e is a virtue. I believe everyone has been very patient with LE in this case. It seems like it is just one excuse after another for the delays..and noone is even making a fuss.

C'mon Lara...say "somethin" !! I realize you are a busy lady..but maybe LE would step up to the plate IF you threw a small "tantrum"....

You are always in my prayers

Originally posted by day2day
P-a-t-i-e-n-c-e is a virtue. I believe everyone has been very patient with LE in this case. It seems like it is just one excuse after another for the delays..and noone is even making a fuss.

C'mon Lara...say "somethin" !! I realize you are a busy lady..but maybe LE would step up to the plate IF you threw a small "tantrum"....

You are always in my prayers

If you could have seen Lara at her graduation ... what a beautiful, happy young woman! One might never know of her father's unfortunate dilemma. She has a new job. Her life goes on ... and that is a good thing. Still, it does give one pause. Lara is always in my prayers too.

[ladyheartfixer]

if only her father could have seen her at her graduation...or did he? I guess we aren't going to know anything til the report comes out and even then I am not holding my breath. I am happy for LG that her life goes on...but it makes me wonder if it goes on smoothly or if there are secrets hidden and not spoken of?

As for you comments lustor...I agree and I just hope that something...anything...comes out from this meeting. If nothing else maybe the PSP or whatever can take the case over...

Another thought as I read this board daily and think about the situation...why did TG just now take a "public interest" in this case? Up to this point he has been ok with the way it has been dealt with and allowed things to take their course...I know I would have been shreiking about the way this case was handled...

JMO

[sherrijean981]

Quote:
"It seems like it has been a longggg haul for all of us. It is funny how Ray's disappearance has grabbed ahold of certain people and won't let go. I am one. Many days I say, I'm done with it, let someone else worry about it, it is not my job, and while everything is true, it just won't let go."

I don't think you could not come back here. From reading all these sites I am firmly convinced we are ALL here until he is found or we find him. I for one am obsessed beyond control and I think my husband gets tired of hearing me spout my thoughts, feelings and theories. He just looks at me but tonight he told me he still wants to hear about it. So here I am again. lol

[day2day]

Originally posted by Serendipitous1
If you could have seen Lara at her graduation ... what a beautiful, happy young woman! One might never know of her father's unfortunate dilemma. She has a new job. Her life goes on ... and that is a good thing. Still, it does give one pause. Lara is always in my prayers too.

Well I am sure that I am not at all like Lara..(and that might be a good thing)..But if my Daddy just dropped off the face of the earth...they sure couldn't shut me up...and I am not sure that I would ever really be "happy" again. But that is me...

I realize that Lara is a busy gal...but it saddens me that she has been SO quiet...



I do pray for the Gricar family daily....

[day2day]

Originally posted by ladyheartfixer
if only her father could have seen her at her graduation...or did he? I guess we aren't going to know anything til the report comes out and even then I am not holding my breath. I am happy for LG that her life goes on...but it makes me wonder if it goes on smoothly or if there are secrets hidden and not spoken of?



JMO

LHF...
I have many of the same thoughts as you do. Maybe we both need a vacation...

As for Mr. Gricar being there...I have thought of that also...