Friday, July 24th Discussion

FrankieBones1 · #1 07-24-2009, 07:28 AM

New day, new thread. New hope for Haleigh.

?noanswer · #2 07-24-2009, 08:24 AM

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...?l=eng&gi=HAMC

Light a candle for Haleigh and remember what this thread should be about. It should offer support to all the familes in their tradegy of Haleigh being missing. Let's all do a great big HOPE that Haleigh will be returned home ASAP. JMO

?noanswer · #3 07-24-2009, 09:43 AM

As to Ron's time he was at work. There has been so much posted about it, that everyone should just remember that the only official thing that came from LE, according to AH, that LE was satisfied with his account of work. LE has not released anything official. JMO

FrankieBones1 · #4 07-24-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Skai

I was reading yesterday's thread and there was a discussion about Ron saying that HaLeigh was the best child he ever had. It was debated that he did not say that, etc...

I think the point of the conversation is that he uses past tense. Which is true. Every video I have seen he uses past tense when talking about HaLeigh.

In this video he said that she is the most well mannered child he ever had. It is at 0:58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIJOg...om=PL&index=19

He may have used the past tense but I do not think anything of it, not in the way some here think. I don't believe it is anything.

#5 07-24-2009, 10:02 AM

The majority of these people are uneducated and have no experience with the press and obviously don't think before they speak when reacting to a crisis. They function on emotion.

Until I see something from LE indicating they consider Ron a suspect in HaLeigh's disappearance, I'm not going to assume he is.

Just as I'm not going to automatically believe Crystal was lying about never having been in the trailer when Marie said she was.

I'm also not going to automatically assume Crystal was involved in HaLeigh going missing based solely on the fact it took her an hour to call Marie and then longer to get to Satsuma.

Until and unless LE names someone as a person of interest, which they have not done yet, I'm not going to lock myself into any one theory and label any of them responsible.

We can only hope some of the rumors are true and HaLeigh is still alive. It has been an awfully long time for her to be gone and statistics aren't on her side.

MO

AmndaRcknwth · #6 07-24-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Skai

If that email is true and he is planning to move to Miami, that is too far to take Jr.

I think he can legally remain in the state and move anywhere. Usually it's an out-of-state move that requires court intervention or permission from the noncustodial parent.

FrankieBones1 · #7 07-24-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Skai

On yesterdays thread you were agreeing with what Timothy wrote on his site and considered it true information. What is the difference? Both are just blogs.

One person is an investigative reporter who has no problem giving out his real identity and photo and the other is a virtual unknown that posts emails from people she/he doesn't know. I think there is a big difference there.

Lovethechild · #8 07-24-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by VivaCouture

Ya know, I have a sick feeling about this. Now, its been rumored that Misty told Ron she was pregnant, but then I heard she wasn't but was this why they were fighting on the weekend bender, saddens me if it was, Misty knew she was pregnant and did drugs-

But- Maybe they got married because she is pregnant, maybe thats why.
Kind of weird, Misty comes home and one child goes missing...

jmo

I truely hope this is not true. Sad for all involved. I guess we'll have to just wait and see. Hope Haleigh comes home soon.

AmndaRcknwth · #9 07-24-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Skai

Any move makes visitations difficult. In state or out of state. But most of all it is too far to take a little boy away from his mother and grandparents especially under the circumstances the child is enduring at this time. That is about 400 miles away.

Oh I agree. Crystal isn't going to be able to see him every other weekend, she doesn't have the financial means... unless she also moves south.

Unleashed · #10 07-24-2009, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skai

I was reading yesterday's thread and there was a discussion about Ron saying that HaLeigh was the best child he ever had. It was debated that he did not say that, etc...

I think the point of the conversation is that he uses past tense. Which is true. Every video I have seen he uses past tense when talking about HaLeigh.

In this video he said that she is the most well mannered child he ever had. It is at 0:58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIJOg...om=PL&index=19

my red

Skai, if he said "that she is the most well mannered child he ever had.", that's present tense.

jmo

#11 07-24-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Skai

If that email is true and he is planning to move to Miami, that is too far to take Jr.

Why is that to far to take Jr? I can understand it might make visitation hard but if that's where Ron can get a job and all that i don't see why a Judge wouldn't allow him to move.

moo

#12 07-24-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Unleashed

my red

Skai, if he said "that she is the most well mannered child he ever had.", that's present tense.

jmo

very true.

AmndaRcknwth · #13 07-24-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Unleashed

my red

Skai, if he said "that she is the most well mannered child he ever had.", that's present tense.

jmo

Nitpicking, yes, but he would have said 'have' or 'has' not 'had'.

But I get your point. I could give him the benefit of the doubt if he hadn't done so many other things.

It's just.... there is SOMETHING about Ron and Misty that makes me wonder what happened. I guess the drugs around kids bugs me the most.
(in every case associated with drug abuse and children, not just the Haleigh case... and I mean this for all the relatives as well)

AmndaRcknwth · #14 07-24-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FallenAngel♥

Why is that to far to take Jr? I can understand it might make visitation hard but if that's where Ron can get a job and all that i don't see why a Judge wouldn't allow him to move.

moo

A judge WILL allow him to move. No issue except it makes visitation a hardship. Maybe he will get a great job and it will be fine... but either way you look at it, mama loses. She's already more than an hour away, now it turns into 8 if he gets the Miami job.
(also with her passing out issue, she may not be driving)

AmndaRcknwth · #15 07-24-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FallenAngel♥

who had drugs around the children? So far the only drugs found were found at the Griffis farm............

Even prescriptions are drugs.

Drug usage has always been a factor in this case, FA.

#16 07-24-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AmndaRcknwth

Even prescriptions are drugs.

Drug usage has always been a factor in this case, FA.

ITA drug usage might have been a factor in this case along with about a dozen other things.

#17 07-24-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AmndaRcknwth

A judge WILL allow him to move. No issue except it makes visitation a hardship. Maybe he will get a great job and it will be fine... but either way you look at it, mama loses. She's already more than an hour away, now it turns into 8 if he gets the Miami job.
(also with her passing out issue, she may not be driving)

Right now Crystal is an hour away because she wants to be an hour away...In fact she said the last time she left Ron ( and left the children with him ) she said she wanted to get as far away as possible....So maybe him moving to Miami will make her happy.

jmo

#18 07-24-2009, 11:10 AM

Did anyone think it was odd when Ragan said one of the reason's they started the HaleighBug center was because they were " looking for a career path for Crystal" ???

mgrey · #19 07-24-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Skai

I am not saying the sentence is past / present tense. I wrote what I heard him say in reference to a discussion that I read on the previous thread. However, after he said, "she is the most well mannered child I ever had" he continues and said, "I'd give my life for my child's life back." A questionable comment that has been discussed many times over. Could he have said, she is the most well mannered child I have, instead of had? Yes.

JMO

It sounds like he knows she's dead when he says I'd give my life for my childs back. jmo

#20 07-24-2009, 11:14 AM

“Our goal eventually is to develop this into a charity who helps families of missing children, and we want to allot them a certain period where they don’t have to worry about going to work, how they’re going to take care of the bills. We’re also looking for a career path for Crystal too, to keep her mind going…to keep her strong so I was thinking there’s nobody better to head this up than someone going through this themselves and she’s very excited about it,” said Ragan.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news...oundation_open

Gotta love it when a mother loses her child and she wants that to help launch her "career path"

moo

Unleashed · #21 07-24-2009, 11:16 AM

I don't think this has been posted yet.

Please, let's all light a candle for HaLeigh.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...?l=eng&gi=HAMC

jmo

AmndaRcknwth · #22 07-24-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by FallenAngel♥

Did anyone think it was odd when Ragan said one of the reason's they started the HaleighBug center was because they were " looking for a career path for Crystal" ???

Lots of parents find a whole new life based on their horrifying and horrible experience. Walsh, Klass, Holloway, Lunsford... and so on.

I'm guessing at some point they/she would like to do something along those lines.... until Haleigh is found, we aren't going to know who took her.
SO, family, what have you...

FrankieBones1 · #23 07-24-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Unleashed

I don't think this has been posted yet.

Please, let's all light a candle for HaLeigh.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...?l=eng&gi=HAMC

jmo

Thank you for bringing the focus back to where it belongs.

mgrey · #24 07-24-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by VivaCouture

Has Ron Cummings story throughout this always been that the last time he saw Haleigh was when she got off the bus?

As far as I know it has. jmo

AmndaRcknwth · #25 07-24-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by FallenAngel♥

“Our goal eventually is to develop this into a charity who helps families of missing children, and we want to allot them a certain period where they don’t have to worry about going to work, how they’re going to take care of the bills. We’re also looking for a career path for Crystal too, to keep her mind going…to keep her strong so I was thinking there’s nobody better to head this up than someone going through this themselves and she’s very excited about it,” said Ragan.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news...oundation_open

Gotta love it when a mother loses her child and she wants that to help launch her "career path"

moo

To be fair, it was hottiepie's words, not Crystals saying it.

How do you feel about Beth Twitty? John Walsh? Mark Lunsford? Linda Walker?

Your last sentence also applies to them.

#26 07-24-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AmndaRcknwth

Lots of parents find a whole new life based on their horrifying and horrible experience. Walsh, Klass, Holloway, Lunsford... and so on.

I'm guessing at some point they/she would like to do something along those lines.... until Haleigh is found, we aren't going to know who took her.
SO, family, what have you...

I'll bet you five bucks crack pipes were never found on property owed by Walsh, Klaas, Holloway,or lunsford...........

#27 07-24-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AmndaRcknwth

To be fair, it was hottiepie's words, not Crystals saying it.

How do you feel about Beth Twitty? John Walsh? Mark Lunsford? Linda Walker?

Your last sentence also applies to them.

Hottiepie???

i have great respect for BT,JW, ML and LW..............they are nothing like CS or RC IMO

#28 07-24-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by VivaCouture

So now I understand why the cops were not making a big deal out of Ron being at work, and clearing him, I thought that was so strange but it all makes sense now- I think the LE as they have stated are "satisfied" that Ron was at work, but I think the hours in question that they are looking at is 5-7 pm, something happened in that time frame to her I believe. jmo

The LE have said they hours in question are 7pm-3am....Is that really so hard for some to understand?

AmndaRcknwth · #29 07-24-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FallenAngel♥

I'll bet you five bucks crack pipes were never found on property owed by Walsh, Klaas, Holloway,or lunsford...........

Might wanna check Lunsford...

OK, bad joke. But seriously... I don't think Crystal will carry through with becoming an advocate but I may not be fair to her assuming that. I guess it could happen.

Nobody thought much of long-haired, uneducated, questionable Mark Lunsford, but he shined. Maybe she will.

If Ron said he wanted to do something positive to impact children, I would support that too.

We have never walked in these shoes but we get to judge. Often unfairly based on our own prejudices.

Tracian · #30 07-24-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by VivaCouture

I think the email could have been sent by anyone, especially someone who wants to destroy the bloggers credibility. I think it is fake because I am now more convinced than ever that Ron was at work that night, I am just wondering why Ron makes it sound as if he got Haleigh off the bus and then left for work- I thought until yesterday he worked a 12 hour shift, he says himself he was there for his 8 hour shift. So its possible neighbors did see her at 5, but where was Ron from the time he got Haleigh off the bus- which is in dispute- and 7? jmo

I agree that email is nothing that seems to be real. If it is, why would he be concerned about loosing his job? I don't buy what he is selling.

AmndaRcknwth · #31 07-24-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FallenAngel♥

Hottiepie???

i have great respect for BT,JW, ML and LW..............they are nothing like CS or RC IMO

Regan. I think I will put him back as my desktop wallpaper.

Come on, FA. They never thought they'd be in the spotlight. It just happened to be they found a niche to help children/young adults.

#32 07-24-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Skai

I think so, too. And I don't believe the MH is the actual crime scene. That was clearly staged.
JMO

Ok i'll bite....Where do you think the real crime scene is?

#33 07-24-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pat

The majority of these people are uneducated and have no experience with the press and obviously don't think before they speak when reacting to a crisis. They function on emotion.

Until I see something from LE indicating they consider Ron a suspect in HaLeigh's disappearance, I'm not going to assume he is.

Just as I'm not going to automatically believe Crystal was lying about never having been in the trailer when Marie said she was.

I'm also not going to automatically assume Crystal was involved in HaLeigh going missing based solely on the fact it took her an hour to call Marie and then longer to get to Satsuma.

Until and unless LE names someone as a person of interest, which they have not done yet, I'm not going to lock myself into any one theory and label any of them responsible.

We can only hope some of the rumors are true and HaLeigh is still alive. It has been an awfully long time for her to be gone and statistics aren't on her side.

MO

very well said

#34 07-24-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by VivaCouture

Right, why is Ron saying he got her off the bus where others who were there picking up their kids said it was Misty? Where was Ron if Ron was not picking Haleigh up at the bus like he said he was? And why would he lie about the last time he saw his daughter?

jmo

IF Ron wasn't at home when Haleigh got off the bus how could he be involved with Haleigh missing? Are you saying he came back and did something then went to work?

#35 07-24-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by VivaCouture

Ron says he picked up Haleigh that day yes or no?

Yes ma'am and i have not heard the LE say otherwise...Have you?

AmndaRcknwth · #36 07-24-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FallenAngel♥

Yes ma'am and i have not heard the LE say otherwise...Have you?

The LE hasn't said much AT ALL.

Witnesses at the bus stop that day, who have no reason to lie about it, say Misty picked Haleigh up that day in the van.

#37 07-24-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mgrey

It sounds like he knows she's dead when he says I'd give my life for my childs back. jmo

he's not the most well spoken person in the state of Florida.

#38 07-24-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mgrey

It sounds like he knows she's dead when he says I'd give my life for my childs back. jmo

absolutely !!! That is the statement that red flagged for me.

#39 07-24-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FrankieBones1

One person is an investigative reporter who has no problem giving out his real identity and photo and the other is a virtual unknown that posts emails from people she/he doesn't know. I think there is a big difference there.

This 'investigative reporter' also claims that someone stole his fingerprints.

I think he's a flake.

MO

#40 07-24-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by VivaCouture

Link me to something where the cops state they are sure he picked up Haleigh from the bus, thanks.

HUH?

I never said LE said anything about Ron picking Haleigh up at the bus stop....

You asked me if RON said he picked Haleigh up and i said YES and i have NOT heard the LE say otherwise.