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[moonlite]

Originally Posted by Jayne

I'm interested about any investigation into the childsitter...not that I'm saying it's him who did it. And..the kid and family of that kid who Somer was "arguing with" at school. Timing of this tragedy seems awfully coincidental to me. But...child molesters..they can case a place and just wait for opportunity. It could even be one of the people who showed up to "help" with the search or stand in town putting out flyers to search for Somer.

I wonder if they aren't looking for a needle in a haystack and missing something right there in their face. We don't even know if she was sexually assaulted, do we?

?

jmo

J

Greetings'
Jayne"

You ask some interesting questions!! I would really like to know more about the people in question. Do we know if the police are going to release the autopsy report?

Moonlite

[Hannibal]

a) There was dna found on the child's body and
b) the dna doesn't match the child sitter, any male members of the family, any males known who have been questioned/interviewed by the police including the known sex offenders in the area...

So talking about the child sittter/woman's boyfriend is a waste of time in my opinion...
The killer is an unsub...

Finding out who he is is proving to be difficult for the police as they don't appear to have any specific suspect or "person of interest"....

[Chica]

Originally Posted by Hannibal

a) There was dna found on the child's body and
b) the dna doesn't match the child sitter, any male members of the family, any males known who have been questioned/interviewed by the police including the known sex offenders in the area...

So talking about the child sittter/woman's boyfriend is a waste of time in my opinion...
The killer is an unsub...

Finding out who he is is proving to be difficult for the police as they don't appear to have any specific suspect or "person of interest"....

I am not assuming DNA was found on the body.

[Hannibal]

The killer appears to me to be disorganized and in a hurry otherwise he would have chosen another method of disposing of the body.

LE seems to be holding back a lot of info....

[moonlite]

Originally Posted by Hannibal

The killer appears to me to be disorganized and in a hurry otherwise he would have chosen another method of disposing of the body.

LE seems to be holding back a lot of info....

Greetings'
Hannibal"

I agree the murderer' is not sophisticated at all. I mean this kind of appears to be someone who just acted out of haste.IMO If Somer was sexually assaulted' and that is something we don't know yet. The perp didn't plan on her fighting back and killed her in haste.IMO

Then again' who is to say' it was not something to do with the fight that day at school?

Moonlite

[Hannibal]

Originally Posted by moonlite

Greetings'
Hannibal"

I agree the murderer' is not sophisticated at all. I mean this kind of appears to be someone who just acted out of haste.IMO If Somer was sexually assaulted' and that is something we don't know yet. The perp didn't plan on her fighting back and killed her in haste.IMO

Then again' who is to say' it was not something to do with the fight that day at school?

Moonlite

It's possible..some people, after the case in MO where the 15 year old killed the 9 year old, are wondering something along those lines...
There still might be dna even if there's no sexual assault.
The child's father did say in an interview that his daughter was a fighter, making me think she scratched the perp.If so the perp's dna is under her fingernails/on her fingers so they have the dna from there even if there wasn't a rape.

So you check local schools and see when the older children/adolescent children got out and if any left early...

[Chica]

Originally Posted by Hannibal

It's possible..some people, after the case in MO where the 15 year old killed the 9 year old, are wondering something along those lines...
There still might be dna even if there's no sexual assault.
The child's father did say in an interview that his daughter was a fighter, making me think she scratched the perp.If so the perp's dna is under her fingernails/on her fingers so they have the dna from there even if there wasn't a rape.

So you check local schools and see when the older children/adolescent children got out and if any left early...

Yes, you are correct. I had forgotten about the scratching scenario. If LE in fact found skin under her nails that would be DNA. A match is another story, but it does sound plausible as LE did ask for people to look for someone who was injured..I hope if that was the case, LE knows already because time is passing and scratches heal quickly.

[moonlite]

Originally Posted by Hannibal

It's possible..some people, after the case in MO where the 15 year old killed the 9 year old, are wondering something along those lines...
There still might be dna even if there's no sexual assault.
The child's father did say in an interview that his daughter was a fighter, making me think she scratched the perp.If so the perp's dna is under her fingernails/on her fingers so they have the dna from there even if there wasn't a rape.

So you check local schools and see when the older children/adolescent children got out and if any left early...

Greetings'
Hannibal"

I really hope the police have checked to see when the older children have been let out of school. I don't think at this point anything can be ruled out.IMO

Moonlite

[sunstar]

Originally Posted by moonlite

Greetings'
Hannibal"

I agree the murderer' is not sophisticated at all. I mean this kind of appears to be someone who just acted out of haste.IMO If Somer was sexually assaulted' and that is something we don't know yet. The perp didn't plan on her fighting back and killed her in haste.IMO

Then again' who is to say' it was not something to do with the fight that day at school?

Moonlite

I also think it could be either possibility. MOO

[lune3]

Originally Posted by Hannibal

The killer appears to me to be disorganized and in a hurry otherwise he would have chosen another method of disposing of the body.

LE seems to be holding back a lot of info....

I'm not so sure anymore. For a disorganized and "stupid" criminal, he hasn't been caught yet.

I'm starting to wonder if this guy is more clever than we thought.

Disposing the body in a dumpster may have simply been due to his wanting to get rid of it asap. Had LE not followed the garbage trail immediately, Somer would never have been found.

[Elyssa]

Originally Posted by Chica

I am not assuming DNA was found on the body.

Me too.....if DNA had been left and found by a RSO, registered being the operative word, an arrest would have been made. So this perp either hasn't been caught before, never committed a crime before or left no DNA. I'm going with left no DNA.

[Riverwalk!]

Just some thoughts about the DNA;

DNA might have been recovered from Somer's body and articles of clothing but she was found in a garbage dump after being in a garbage truck. DNA might have been compromised/degraded? Also DNA with one or more perps all mixed up with other trash/debris/garbage and Somer's own DNA. Also, I think the FDLE/FBI crime lab may have their hands full processing all the evidence???? May take more time than normal?

"The Clay County Sheriff's Office hasn't said whether it believes the crime was committed by more than one person."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews

[R~O~S]

Originally Posted by Riverwalk!

Just some thoughts about the DNA;

DNA might have been recovered from Somer's body and articles of clothing but she was found in a garbage dump after being in a garbage truck. DNA might have been compromised/degraded? Also DNA with one or more perps all mixed up with other trash/debris/garbage and Somer's own DNA. Also, I think the FDLE/FBI crime lab may have their hands full processing all the evidence???? May take more time than normal?

"The Clay County Sheriff's Office hasn't said whether it believes the crime was committed by more than one person."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews

DNA would definitively be found on the body just because of where it was found. The issue is determining what is and isn't of value. DNA found on the surface of the body can easily be explained away as transference, the body came in contact with mass amounts of debris from a wide variety of sources.

Only DNA evidence found in places that can't be explained away as casual transfer would be viable for testing.

Add to that, it takes time to collect the evidence, transport it to the lab & it takes 5 days once testing is started, just to get the DNA results to match against anything they have in the data base. 5 days presuming the request to expedite the testing was made and granted. Do we even know that was done?

Assuming they expedited the testing, it's still kinda soon to expect they have the results, let alone tested against all the possible databases available.

In 2005, they couldn't get a DNA turnaround in 30 days. There was a 38% increase in requests for testing from 2002 to 2005, and only a 5% increase in testing ability. Nothing much has changed. The goal for time to collect the evidence to send to the lab was 72 hours, they were considering changing it to 120 hours. I can't find anything updated to determine if they did or didn't. but that's 3 days for collection and 5 days for testing, without allowing time for transport & assuming they were waiting for the samples at the door of the lab and started the testing process immediately.

http://www.dna.gov/basics/laboratory/labstatistics/

[Jayne]

Originally Posted by Hannibal

a) There was dna found on the child's body and
b) the dna doesn't match the child sitter, any male members of the family, any males known who have been questioned/interviewed by the police including the known sex offenders in the area...

So talking about the child sittter/woman's boyfriend is a waste of time in my opinion...
The killer is an unsub...

Finding out who he is is proving to be difficult for the police as they don't appear to have any specific suspect or "person of interest"....

Well..yes..sitter ruled out..since no dna of his found on her...

maybe? In the garbage..as another poster said..she could have a "lot" of DNA found on her body that has nothing to do with her cause of death-demise.

Is it possible? To strangle (or beat/hit) a little girl...throw her in the garbage..and leave no DNA behind? i.e. no sexual assault..no stratching (dna under her fingernails) no hair fragments found from the perp, etc.

What if a victim was found with something "missing"? (Silence of the Lambs..just as example)..what is missing is a "clue" but takes time to figure out. NO NO..I'm not saying it is like this case..but just an example. Sometimes what is Missing can be a Clue. I see it like Circumstantial Evidence, but it can be part of the investigative process.

I don't know, but this is troublesome..yet it does take time..I just hope it's found out..soon.

jmo

J

[Chica]

Originally Posted by moonlite

Greetings'
Jayne"

You ask some interesting questions!! I would really like to know more about the people in question. Do we know if the police are going to release the autopsy report?

Moonlite

Why would they? That information would be key to the case,

[moonlite]

Originally Posted by Chica

Why would they? That information would be key to the case,

Greetings'
Chica"

If the police have not got a POI or a perp behind bars. My question would be why wouldn't they release anything that might help find Somer's killer.
I just hope Somer's case does not go cold.IMO

Moonlite

[Chica]

Originally Posted by moonlite

Greetings'
Chica"

If the police have not got a POI or a perp behind bars. My question would be why wouldn't they release anything that might help find Somer's killer.
I just hope Somer's case does not go cold.IMO

Moonlite

Hi there, Unless LE found evidence at the vacant house or someone comes forward with a tip, I think it will go cold. i hope I am wrong, But I don't feel LE has a clue.

[Elyssa]

Originally Posted by Chica

Hi there, Unless LE found evidence at the vacant house or someone comes forward with a tip, I think it will go cold. i hope I am wrong, But I don't feel LE has a clue.

Chica,
I think you and I said the same thing last week, didn't we? I feel more sure now than ever, that the case is cold and that LE hasn't the vaguest idea who killed Somer.

[cherylt]

Originally Posted by Elyssa

Chica,
I think you and I said the same thing last week, didn't we? I feel more sure now than ever, that the case is cold and that LE hasn't the vaguest idea who killed Somer.

I heard LE collected "evidence" from the house and perhaps some from the park across the street. Has that been ruled out as evidence? There has been so much going on in the news lately, every one is covering a tiny bit of each story...

I sure do hope they found something. DNA under nails to match someone is AFIS would be the best outcome!

[Elyssa]

Originally Posted by cherylt

I heard LE collected "evidence" from the house and perhaps some from the park across the street. Has that been ruled out as evidence? There has been so much going on in the news lately, every one is covering a tiny bit of each story...

I sure do hope they found something. DNA under nails to match someone is AFIS would be the best outcome!

Hi cherylt,
That is a real possibility because I don't remember all of what LE has told us. IMHO, if LE had a clue, there would be a POI in custody or at least a POI mentioned. With no arrest, I'd say they have nothing.

[sunstar]

Originally Posted by Elyssa

Chica,
I think you and I said the same thing last week, didn't we? I feel more sure now than ever, that the case is cold and that LE hasn't the vaguest idea who killed Somer.

Hi! I think this pretty much says it all ~

Somer To Be Topic Of America's Most Wanted

ORANGE PARK -- The hunt for the killer of little Somer Thompson will hit national airwaves.

Today Clay County sheriff Rick Beseler met with a crew from America's Most Wanted as the shows prepares to air the case nationally Saturday Night.

The reward offered for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of Somer Thompson's killer now stands at $45,000 from the Justice Coalition and Crime Stoppers.

A task force of investigators are trying to find the person or people responsible for killing the 7-year-old.

"The task force still includes agents from the FBI, Florida Department of Law Enforcement and U.S. Marshals, who have committed to remaining part of our team until Somer's killer is caught," said Mary Justino of the Clay County Sheriff's Office.

Sheriff's deputies say so far 2,600 tips have come in, but they hope airing the case will help generate solid leads that will lead to a person or persons of interest, and eventually an arrest in the case.

Justino said that no arrest has been made. "We do not have anyone in custody and have not named any persons of interest," Justino said.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2...st_wanted.html

[Chica]

Originally Posted by sunstar

Hi! I think this pretty much says it all ~

Somer To Be Topic Of America's Most Wanted

ORANGE PARK -- The hunt for the killer of little Somer Thompson will hit national airwaves.

Today Clay County sheriff Rick Beseler met with a crew from America's Most Wanted as the shows prepares to air the case nationally Saturday Night.

The reward offered for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of Somer Thompson's killer now stands at $45,000 from the Justice Coalition and Crime Stoppers.

A task force of investigators are trying to find the person or people responsible for killing the 7-year-old.

"The task force still includes agents from the FBI, Florida Department of Law Enforcement and U.S. Marshals, who have committed to remaining part of our team until Somer's killer is caught," said Mary Justino of the Clay County Sheriff's Office.

Sheriff's deputies say so far 2,600 tips have come in, but they hope airing the case will help generate solid leads that will lead to a person or persons of interest, and eventually an arrest in the case.

Justino said that no arrest has been made. "We do not have anyone in custody and have not named any persons of interest," Justino said.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2...st_wanted.html

That is great news. Hope they reiterate the things to be looking for..
According to the article, will be aired Saturday night..

[moonlite]

Originally Posted by sunstar

Hi! I think this pretty much says it all ~

Somer To Be Topic Of America's Most Wanted

ORANGE PARK -- The hunt for the killer of little Somer Thompson will hit national airwaves.

Today Clay County sheriff Rick Beseler met with a crew from America's Most Wanted as the shows prepares to air the case nationally Saturday Night.

The reward offered for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of Somer Thompson's killer now stands at $45,000 from the Justice Coalition and Crime Stoppers.

A task force of investigators are trying to find the person or people responsible for killing the 7-year-old.

"The task force still includes agents from the FBI, Florida Department of Law Enforcement and U.S. Marshals, who have committed to remaining part of our team until Somer's killer is caught," said Mary Justino of the Clay County Sheriff's Office.

Sheriff's deputies say so far 2,600 tips have come in, but they hope airing the case will help generate solid leads that will lead to a person or persons of interest, and eventually an arrest in the case.

Justino said that no arrest has been made. "We do not have anyone in custody and have not named any persons of interest," Justino said.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2...st_wanted.html

Greetings'
Sunstar"

Thanks for the link and update. I really hope AMW' can generate some solid leeds too.

Moonlite

[AmndaRcknwth]

Originally Posted by Elyssa

Chica,
I think you and I said the same thing last week, didn't we? I feel more sure now than ever, that the case is cold and that LE hasn't the vaguest idea who killed Somer.

I agree. I'm afraid this person will only get caught "next time".

[Elyssa]

Originally Posted by AmndaRcknwth

I agree. I'm afraid this person will only get caught "next time".

Me too. I'm sad that Somer's killer is on the loose and also afraid for other children in that area.....if the murderer is a sexual predator, he/she will offend again.

[moonlite]

Originally Posted by Chica

Hi there, Unless LE found evidence at the vacant house or someone comes forward with a tip, I think it will go cold. i hope I am wrong, But I don't feel LE has a clue.

Greetings'
Chica"

I agree with you about Somer's case going cold.IMO I think an arrest would have been made by now.IMO It's just sick that we have a child killer out on the loose.

Moonlite

[Justice4all]

Originally Posted by moonlite

Greetings'
Chica"

I agree with you about Somer's case going cold.IMO I think an arrest would have been made by now.IMO It's just sick that we have a child killer out on the loose.

Moonlite

Sad for me to say this but i agree, IMO the case is going cold.
I'm shocked they found her so quickly and still haven't made an arrest

[koawally]

Originally Posted by Justice4all

Sad for me to say this but i agree, IMO the case is going cold.
I'm shocked they found her so quickly and still haven't made an arrest

I really am shocked too, shocked that LE ruled out area sexual offenders so fast???
There's sooo damn many of them in Florida.

LE has not released that this lil girl was sexually violated prior to her vicious murder.

"IF" there's a possibility that Somer's murderer was in fact a RSO/SO then LE owes it to the public to at least let them KNOW so that the public in and out of Florida are that much more vigilant.

I listened to John Walsh and what he stated Re: Somer and the possibility a RSO may have come out of retirement...

I'm not so sure anymore.

Certainly the public does not need any details...just a yes or no

LE saying nothing at all leads me to believe that the murderer is much closer to Somer's immediate family circle
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