Anna Nicole Smith 11/3 thru ...

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally Posted by ABC

Yeah, I support Howard Stern as did more importantly, Anna Nicole. A replay of a joke with Anna playing the part in her movie does not get me hipped up. IT was a joke. Thank Gd, Anna and Daniel are in the Bahamas where they are respected and their graces taken care of by the locals. RIP

I thought the same ABC. However, I don't like to see the child exploited and I feel she knew way too much for a child her age, bless her heart.

I still believe Howard loved Anna, and they both made poor choices in life that were a result of the baggage Anna carried forth from her younger years. JMO tho. Very sad to think of Anna and Daniel coupled with all that could have been.

[darcie]

We see more and more dealers being charged when buyers OD and die...I guess this is no different.

Right or wrong? Who knows. It is what it is though. They are probably lucky that they aren't being charged with murder.

The tape definitely casts Howard in an evil eye. Did he love Anna? I have no way in knowing. To me his actions definitely dont' show love, but I am looking from the outside in. I have no idea how Anna felt...i can only hope that she did experience true love in her lifetime.

[ABC]

Originally Posted by darcie

We see more and more dealers being charged when buyers OD and die...I guess this is no different.

Right or wrong? Who knows. It is what it is though. They are probably lucky that they aren't being charged with murder.

The tape definitely casts Howard in an evil eye. Did he love Anna? I have no way in knowing. To me his actions definitely dont' show love, but I am looking from the outside in. I have no idea how Anna felt...i can only hope that she did experience true love in her lifetime.

How about Anna's evaluation of Howard. She said publicly that he loved . That he was one of the few people she could trust and devoted himself to her. That looks good to me. Anna Nicole was a HS drop out who started her work career as a stripper. She would up being famous for being famous and rich. She made a life for herself and her son. She did very well for herself. The tragedy is that in a few seconds, her life and joy was ruined by the death of her son. I don't care what drugs she did or did not take and that Larry "duffle bag" story was in my view just that, a story. Hospital personell are not that dumb as to not know who is taking stuff on their own. The lesson here, to me, is love the folks around you, appreciate and be kind to them cause none of us know when tragedly could ruin our lives. RIP Anna and Daniel.

[ABC]

Originally Posted by whyme

What about Anna's evaluation of stern? She obviously had terrible judgement. All drug addicts want to keep the person helping to score drugs around. No love involved here. This is no fairy tale love story and stern is no knight in shining armor.

I dunno. Marrying an 80 plus billionaire when she was a HS drop out Stripper looks like good judgement to me. Who are we to judge her judgement? It was her life and she lived it her way as we all have a right to do. Score???? Have never heard any inmate (the real addicts and dealers) use that term. I think its a middle class street lingo thing. Actually, the stuff Anna took was nothing compaired to the Heroin, Cocaine, Smack, Crack, Ectasy and stuff sold as street drugs. She got that Methadone (the only pain med safe for pregnant women) a little Chloral Hydrate to sleep and all bought at a Pharmacy which I quarantee is not selling Crack Cocaine. I would not classify Anna as a drug addict and doubt that anyone who knows folks shooting up would either.
My opinion only, of course.

[Cindylee]

Originally Posted by ABC

I dunno. Marrying an 80 plus billionaire when she was a HS drop out Stripper looks like good judgement to me. Who are we to judge her judgement? It was her life and she lived it her way as we all have a right to do. Score???? Have never heard any inmate (the real addicts and dealers) use that term. I think its a middle class street lingo thing. Actually, the stuff Anna took was nothing compaired to the Heroin, Cocaine, Smack, Crack, Ectasy and stuff sold as street drugs. She got that Methadone (the only pain med safe for pregnant women) a little Chloral Hydrate to sleep and all bought at a Pharmacy which I quarantee is not selling Crack Cocaine. I would not classify Anna as a drug addict and doubt that anyone who knows folks shooting up would either.
My opinion only, of course.

Not an addict because she wasn't using street drugs..... Wow. A little Chloral Hydrate?????

[Katt2]

Originally Posted by ABC

I dunno. Marrying an 80 plus billionaire when she was a HS drop out Stripper looks like good judgement to me. Who are we to judge her judgement? It was her life and she lived it her way as we all have a right to do. Score???? Have never heard any inmate (the real addicts and dealers) use that term. I think its a middle class street lingo thing. Actually, the stuff Anna took was nothing compaired to the Heroin, Cocaine, Smack, Crack, Ectasy and stuff sold as street drugs. She got that Methadone (the only pain med safe for pregnant women) a little Chloral Hydrate to sleep and all bought at a Pharmacy which I quarantee is not selling Crack Cocaine. I would not classify Anna as a drug addict and doubt that anyone who knows folks shooting up would either.
My opinion only, of course.

Perhaps you should read the results of her autopsy and all of the drugs that were found in her system at the time of her death, when she was not pregnant. No person that is not addicted would have those drugs in their system at the same time. She was an addict plain and simple!

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...6071anna1.html

[Limabean]

Originally Posted by Katt2

Perhaps you should read the results of her autopsy and all of the drugs that were found in her system at the time of her death, when she was not pregnant. No person that is not addicted would have those drugs in their system at the same time. She was an addict plain and simple!

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...6071anna1.html

She most certainly was a drug addict. Can't imagine how anyone could think otherwise.

[ABC]

Originally Posted by Limabean

She most certainly was a drug addict. Can't imagine how anyone could think otherwise.

Cause having worked with the real Meth, Heroin, Crack, Cocaine, etc addicts, a little prescription drugs is small potatoes and certainly she was not contributing to the Drug Cartels and crime in America.

[ABC]

Originally Posted by Katt2

Perhaps you should read the results of her autopsy and all of the drugs that were found in her system at the time of her death, when she was not pregnant. No person that is not addicted would have those drugs in their system at the same time. She was an addict plain and simple!

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...6071anna1.html

Assuming is never good. Poor Anna died of a broken heart. Not so plain or simple. In the real world, folks that take medication for pain and sleep are not drug addicts but poor tourtured souls. In any event, it was her choice to make and she made it. Just like the millions of Americans who do the same. OD from drugs is the biggest accidental death cause in 19 states. Oh, and Anna was not contributing to the Drug CArtells.

[hooked2]

Originally Posted by ABC

(snip) I would not classify Anna as a drug addict and doubt that anyone who knows folks shooting up would either.
My opinion only, of course.

I've been around a sibling when they were shooting up heroin for months. Been around when they were high on scripts. Drunk and stoned. I've been around people at parties using recreationally. I've been to clubs til the wee hours. I've been to 12 step meetings. I know drug addicts inside and out.

Anna Nicole is not only a drug addict, she is one of the poster children for drug addicts! To believe one must be lying in an alley with a needle hanging out of their arm to meet this criteria is not only frustratingly naive, it's just plain incorrect. If in doubt, I'd ask you to call your local mental health center, drug rehab, social services, or simply stop by a Narcotics Anonymous meeting and ask someone else to review your definition.

[ABC]

Just watched the 3 hour show on Anne Nicole. I always liked her, she brought a lot of laughs to many folks and so tragic that she lost her son and life. RIP Anna Nicole and Daniel. Peace to Howard.
I don't care who takes drugs or if their noses fall off from their Cocaine use or they wind up living in a transient hotel or jail from their use. Its their business and not anyone elses, in my opinion only, of course. I do care that our Government can't make sensable Drug Laws and treat this stuff as we do alcohol and cigarettes and get the so needed tax money to support the country and that Health Plan.
Lets cut out the Cartel Middlemen and the folks using American Forrests to grow Marijuana plants.

[ABC]

Originally Posted by hooked2

I've been around a sibling when they were shooting up heroin for months. Been around when they were high on scripts. Drunk and stoned. I've been around people at parties using recreationally. I've been to clubs til the wee hours. I've been to 12 step meetings. I know drug addicts inside and out.

Anna Nicole is not only a drug addict, she is one of the poster children for drug addicts! To believe one must be lying in an alley with a needle hanging out of their arm to meet this criteria is not only frustratingly naive, it's just plain incorrect. If in doubt, I'd ask you to call your local mental health center, drug rehab, social services, or simply stop by a Narcotics Anonymous meeting and ask someone else to review your definition.

Working 45 years in the ED as an RN and 5 years in a jail, there is nothing I don't know about drug use and users.

[hooked2]

Originally Posted by ABC

(snip)...Score???? Have never heard any inmate (the real addicts and dealers) use that term. I think its a middle class street lingo thing. Actually, the stuff Anna took was nothing compaired to the Heroin, Cocaine, Smack, Crack, Ectasy and stuff sold as street drugs. She got that Methadone (the only pain med safe for pregnant women) a little Chloral Hydrate to sleep and all bought at a Pharmacy which I quarantee is not selling Crack Cocaine. I would not classify Anna as a drug addict and doubt that anyone who knows folks shooting up would either.
My opinion only, of course.

Originally Posted by ABC

Working 45 years in the ED as an RN and 5 years in a jail, there is nothing I don't know about drug use and users.

With all due respect, you apparently don't know that the definition of drug addict is not restricted, as you indicated, to those who have been incarcerated or those who use "Heroin, Cocaine, Smack, Crack, Ectasy and stuff sold as street drugs."

I wouldn't be so hellbent on correcting you if it weren't for the fact that with your narrow definition, you are, in fact, misinforming board members, family members, and friends about the criteria for drug addiction; you are part of the problem, not the solution. You're also encouraging drug addicts to deny their addiction which in turn, adds to the number of drug related deaths or years of destruction and suffering prior to a drug addict admitting they are an addict and possibly seeking help.

Your definition was thrown out a long time ago and can now be found beside news reels of hippies proclaiming the innocence and benefit of 'free love.' Along with the advancement of technology that allows us to communicate via cables and computers, drug availability, pharmacology, and the mental health profession has also made great leaps over the years. So I feel compelled to point out that if, adhering to your definition, you searched the prison, I'm quite certain you could find at least one addict that had broken into a pharmacy and stolen an assortment of 'middle-class' bottles filled with FDA approved controlled substances. Cocaine and Exstasy are notoriously upper and middle class drugs so apparently some of 'those' people managed to find their way into your prison system as well.

You say you were an RN--- to that I say I am truly stunned by your tunnel vision and limited knowledge of this subject! It's no different then saying a man who drinks a 12 pack of Busch beer every day is an alcoholic, but a man who drinks a pint of Absolute vodka is not simply because he has more money and better taste. Their personal misery, physical impairment, and negative impact on family is identical; and so is their blood alcohol level.

And let's be clear about Methadone: Pain reliever indeed! Also the safest substitute for opiate addiction: Heroin. And dare I mention Dilaudid, a lesser known synthetic opiate? Yes, I will! Because my family member who was shooting up this FDA approved opiate at a local drug house had identical bruising on the arms, physical impairment, emotional impairment, and weight loss. And I can assure you, when we brought this shell of a person to a rehab facility, they were not turned away for treatment because they weren't a 'real drug addict' but were in fact, admitted with rapid speed.

You mentioned 2 drugs ANS took, but left out the Klonopin, Valium, and Ativan found in her system at the time of her death. Also noteworthy is her slurping chloral hydrate from a baby bottle and the Valium being heated in a spoon just like heroin to be injected into her by Stern. And the prosecutor is claiming there were about 40 other prescription drugs for her in her last years as well.

The truth is, the only society sanctioned place you will find a person as high as ANS throughout her years will be in a hospital, post surgery or pre-death, or in hospice awaiting death. A necessity for ANS's 'pain management?' Are you kidding me? Even pain clinics don't get their clients this high!

For anyone who is in doubt of ANS's addiction, I urge you to watch her reality show and see for yourself. Or for a quickie, watch the special currently running on the E! channel. This is not acting, this is not a "retainer" in her mouth (which by the way she says was to keep her from biting her own tongue not something the average sober person has trouble with) This is the way many drug addicts look, behave, and sound up close and in person!

Also, for further current information for you or anyone else interested, might I suggest a comprehensive university textbook: Drugs, Behavior, and Modern Society by Charles F. Levinthal

[need2no]

Originally Posted by Zibar

I think Anna and Howard were a team, and all of these people who have jumped on the "Hang Him High" bandwagon obviously do not know a thing about their lives together. MO

I agree, they were a team, and just because some do not like or approve of their behavior they seem to need to find fault and want to see Howard punished....as if he hasn't gone through enough h*ll, or that punishing him will change anything.

The 'clown' video and people's reaction to it reminds me of all the people who fell for the UFO balloon boy farce. Things are not always what they seem.

[ABC]

Originally Posted by Zibar

Exactly. I fought this battle before and swore I wasn't going to get involved again. I just occasionally say a little prayer for Howard and hope that he is comforted in the knowledge that he has been true to Anna and Daniel throughout this ordeal. MO

Me too, Zibar. I will pray for him also. He was loyal, faithful and as she said Her best Friend ever. I will laugh when he and the Docs get acquited and like Shedden, Jerry Brown gets his gets head handed to him.

[Cindylee]

Originally Posted by Zibar

I think Anna and Howard were a team, and all of these people who have jumped on the "Hang Him High" bandwagon obviously do not know a thing about their lives together. MO

I have no idea about their lives together other than through the media, and the film and pictures that HKS took. That alone make me very glad I don't have anyone on my team like him.
*The Clown video
*The pictures of dead Daniel
*Leaving Anna while she supposedly couldn't walk, to go buy a boat with Anna's money.
*The "Your Mommy is Dead" video
*The video of Anna wacked out at Christmas as HKS and Dr.E....laugh.
Just a few of the reasons I think HKS is scum.

[Firehead11]

Originally Posted by Cindylee

I have no idea about their lives together other than through the media, and the film and pictures that HKS took. That alone make me very glad I don't have anyone on my team like him.
*The Clown video
*The pictures of dead Daniel
*Leaving Anna while she supposedly couldn't walk, to go buy a boat with Anna's money.
*The "Your Mommy is Dead" video
*The video of Anna wacked out at Christmas as HKS and Dr.E....laugh.
Just a few of the reasons I think HKS is scum.

The picture of Daniel......I can see this being done for Anna's eyes only. However when the SC gang got involved, that picture somehow came out to the media.

He was picking up Anna's boat, that Anna purchased with her own money.
The clown video I would like to see the unedited video.
His interview.. Your Mommy is dead.... well I can't say anything about that except I would not have done this.
The same goes for the Christmas video.

Apparently there were a lot of USERS involved in Anna's life from the time she lived with her mother until she died.

[Cindylee]

Originally Posted by Firehead11

The picture of Daniel......I can see this being done for Anna's eyes only. However when the SC gang got involved, that picture somehow came out to the media.

He was picking up Anna's boat, that Anna purchased with her own money.
The clown video I would like to see the unedited video.
His interview.. Your Mommy is dead.... well I can't say anything about that except I would not have done this.
The same goes for the Christmas video.

Apparently there were a lot of USERS involved in Anna's life from the time she lived with her mother until she died.

I don't believe that the picture of Daniel was for Anna. MOO
If she was so sick, couldn't the boat have waited a day or two?
I found that very convenient.
I would like to see the whole video also, except I just think it will be more of the same, and would make me sick.
IMO HKS was the biggest user, although I agree there were many. But, I also think that Anna was also a user. IMO

[mrsmcgoo]

Originally Posted by Cindylee

I don't believe that the picture of Daniel was for Anna. MOO
If she was so sick, couldn't the boat have waited a day or two?
I found that very convenient.
I would like to see the whole video also, except I just think it will be more of the same, and would make me sick.
IMO HKS was the biggest user, although I agree there were many. But, I also think that Anna was also a user. IMO

I agree.

My opinion was that the picture of Daniel was much the same as the clown video......taken because it was worth money.

JMO