[11/5 - GUILTY] 10/26 to ........

[texski]

yes roux, the pictures of the smiling , blonds, rosy cheeked, young girls look like they live in a happy, peaceful world of loving parents. but as soon as they are old enough to breed they are handed over to just those evil men, by their mothers and fathers.
showing that bad part to the world is the purpose what we should be doing.
hooray for texas.

[SayItAgain]

Hey gang,

It's your old friend of many nics.

I'm keeping an eye on the legal wranglings in Texas.

Have made my way through most of Stephen Singular's When Men Become Gods very recently. It gives some great insight into the general atmosphere in Short Creek while Warren was on the lam. It also seems to make the case that child abuse and incest were more or less the order of the day in FLDS families, and the behavior preceded Warren's rise to power.

A little bit of trivia that left me was at the time of his arrest, Jeffs weighed 150 lbs. -- on a 6'5" frame. And then he lost weight in jail.

[walton]

Hey there SayitAgain good to see ya.

Stephen Singulars book was awesome!! He detailed a lot of what was/is going on. Very good book imo. Keep reading. There were things in there that I had suspected but not seen in print before. And then there were things that I hadn't heard about.

Yeah, supposedly Warren stopped eating while in jail. From what I remember though he was having someone from the outside put some monies into his candy account.

Wonder if they are still doing it?

[walton]

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009...-jessop-trial/

Earlier Tuesday, lead defense attorney Mark Stevens might have cast doubt in jurors’ minds about photographic evidence, but he definitely fired up the temper of lead prosecutor Eric Nichols.

In a snit, Nichols threw some documents or copies of photos in Stevens direction. The defense attorney complained Nichols had thrown something at him, but that didn’t even earn a “Gentlemen!” from Judge Barbara Walther.



I don't know who is writing these stories from the gosanangelo but I like their style. They get a two thumbs up from me so does this "computer cop".

And further into the article: Much of that evidence was collected during the raid and, in particular, from the vault.

Valdez testified the door to the vault wasn’t just a regular door.

“It was like a bank door,” he said.

He later found out it was a Class 1 Hamilton safe door, Valdez testified. As such, it was 18 inches to two feet thick and made of steel.

Valdez crawled through the hole into the vault with a flashlight and a handgun in tow, he testified.

I know this next question is wayyyy off topic but how in the heck does one hang a door this size? Holy cow!! 18 inches to 2 feet thick and made of steel. I bet the computer cop was expecting to see Gerlado in there some place. lol

[juliekan]

Or Jimmy Hoffa?

[texski]

the young woman was supposdly in labor for 3 days with the child. papers say a nurse and a midwife were present at the time. could the state force one or both of these persons to testify???? why the leaders said that she could not be taken to a hospital because it would harm the prophet?? they would have had to been given some reason .

[walton]

From the link above: FLDS spokesman Willie Jessop has said the trial is reopening old wounds at the YFZ Ranch.


Someone should tell Willie that there wouldn't be any "wounded" if they had been following the laws at the ranch or elsewhere.

For one hour I would love to talk to Willie. Pliggy if you are out there anyplace reading this tell Willie to call me.

[juliekan]

from gosanangelo.com today

“I knew that the girl being 16 years old,” Jessop could be jailed, said the document. “The associated governmental pressures against the Prophet” — Jeffs — also made going to the hospital not an option.

how much more do you need for acknowledgement of guilt, for ALL of them?

[walton]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8538130

Defense attorneys claimed the law required more than arranging a marriage to qualify as "rape."

Elissa Wall and her now husband sat in court and listened as defense attorney Wally Bugden told the justices Jeffs could not be guilty of rape because he didn't fit the definition of a rapist -- he didn't physically commit rape.


First Wally wanted the definition of the word Amen and now Wally is confused with the word rapist.

I vote getting Wally a dictionary for Christmas.

Doesn't fit the definition of rapist.

Wally Wally Wally what are we going to do with you? Have your team meet up with those that post on this message board and the posters here will help you figure this one out. oy

I actually kinda like Wally. He has character.

[walton]

hey there Julie doesn't it just make your mouth drop open?

[walton]

Originally Posted by SayItAgain

Hey gang,

It's your old friend of many nics.

A little bit of trivia that left me was at the time of his arrest, Jeffs weighed 150 lbs. -- on a 6'5" frame. And then he lost weight in jail.

SayItAgain I was thinking about your comment.

http://www.amw.com/captures/brief.cfm?id=33750 This was aired 2006
Warren Steed Jeffs
Report a Tip
Sex:Male
Race:White
Current Age:53
Height:6'3"
Weight:155 lbs.
Hair (Color, Description, Facial Hair):* Brown
Eyes: * Brown

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009...-arizona-jail/ This was Aug. 2009
Previous fasting and related malnourishment and dehydration resulted in Jeffs being rushed to Kingman Regional Medical Center last September. Jail Commander Bruce Brown said then that the 6-foot, 3-inch Jeffs should weigh no less than 160 pounds but that he had dropped to 144 pounds.


In 2006 they were looking for Jeffs who supposedly weighed 155-160 pounds. After they took all those phones and cash out of his pockets, shelved the red wig it brought him down to around 144 pounds.

I don't know what would be so hard about letting one camera guy and a reporter in to see him. If no one wants to go... I would do my nosey duty and volunteer for the job. Me and Trent. He'd probably smile at Trent and start crying when he'd see me. He'd know.

I think Wally and those guys are representing a name. I truly believe that Warren Jeffs is long gone. imo

[walton]

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009...-jessop-trial/

Rebecca Musser, an attractive, poised blond in her early 30s who left the sect, testified Jeffs pressured her to marry again soon after the death of her spiritual husband, who was a church leader and Jeffs’ father.

“Within one month of his father’s death, he started marrying his father’s young wives,” Musser said during a hearing out of earshot of the jury.

Then in her mid-20s, she butted heads with Jeffs because she didn’t want to remarry, she testified in the trial of Raymond Merril Jessop, 38, a member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

She testified that Jeffs told her, “I will break you. I will train you to be a good wife.”

I believe it was Texski 2 years ago that called Warren horseface. Today I am thinking it should have been the back end of the horse.

Says a lot about a person that would want to marry his fathers wives. Willingly or not. I don't think anything would show up on a cat scan that would show the issues he has going on in his head but it might show some missing pieces of the working brain. jmo

[texski]

no, the back end of a horse is a nicely rounded smiley looking part.
i think of old horseface as a long, mean nasty looking thing saying the better to eat you with my dear.
laugh , it hurts too much to cry for all these young ladys.

[juliekan]

hi LLaFren and SayItAgain glad to see you here again


http://fldslegal.blogspot.com/2009/1...ard-is-it.html

The hypothetical making the rounds today is that if the victim was legally married (a very big assumption!) previously she would not be a "child."

aaaahhhh these lawyers, priceless! and i do mean that literally and ironically.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/us...gamy.html?_r=1

In a lengthy hearing on Tuesday without the jury present, Mr. Nichols said the state intended to prove from documents kept by the church that the 16-year-old girl underwent three days of difficult labor in the clinic, but that Mr. Jeffs, in a dictated memorandum, ordered that she not be taken to a hospital because social workers might question her about her relationship with Mr. Jessop.

I cannot "bold" that enough. That just screams guilty.

[walton]

Have you ever heard of so many excuses? Even Scott Pederson didn't have this many excuses.

The Prophet told them to do it.

They didn't know that it was against the law to take a child for a bride.
They didn't know that it was against the law to take more than one wife.
They didn't know that it was against the law to claim other peoples children as our own.

And yet they hid and lied. Not once. Not twice but as many as 30 times for some. Not just at the ranch but for a lifetime for some.

I am curious. Did Warren Jeffs have any legal right to marry any one? How about Rulon? Did any of them have a legal right to marry anyone?

When those that filed for welfare assistance filled out the paperwork did they say that the father of their baby was their "spiiritual husband"? or did they lie?

When law-enforcement asked who was the baby's daddy did they say it was their spiritual husband or did they lie? When Jessop filled out his tax papers at the end of the year did he list all his spiritual wives?

What the heck is Jessops lawyer thinking? oh wait. Jessop is one of the chosen ones...Big Surprise for all. As Boots said.... they aren't in Utah anymore.

What a jolt to the system this must be. No wonder Jessop sits and watches in awe.

[LLaFren]

Originally Posted by juliekan

hi LLaFren and SayItAgain glad to see you here again


http://fldslegal.blogspot.com/2009/1...ard-is-it.html

The hypothetical making the rounds today is that if the victim was legally married (a very big assumption!) previously she would not be a "child."

aaaahhhh these lawyers, priceless! and i do mean that literally and ironically.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/us...gamy.html?_r=1

In a lengthy hearing on Tuesday without the jury present, Mr. Nichols said the state intended to prove from documents kept by the church that the 16-year-old girl underwent three days of difficult labor in the clinic, but that Mr. Jeffs, in a dictated memorandum, ordered that she not be taken to a hospital because social workers might question her about her relationship with Mr. Jessop.

I cannot "bold" that enough. That just screams guilty.

Thanks Julie...It's good to be back

My question would be, what would have happened, if the mother or child hadn't survived????

3 days of labor OMG, I can't even imagine that.

[SayItAgain]

Originally Posted by walton

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009...-jessop-trial/

Rebecca Musser, an attractive, poised blond in her early 30s who left the sect, testified Jeffs pressured her to marry again soon after the death of her spiritual husband, who was a church leader and Jeffs’ father.

“Within one month of his father’s death, he started marrying his father’s young wives,” Musser said during a hearing out of earshot of the jury.

Then in her mid-20s, she butted heads with Jeffs because she didn’t want to remarry, she testified in the trial of Raymond Merril Jessop, 38, a member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

She testified that Jeffs told her, “I will break you. I will train you to be a good wife.”

I believe it was Texski 2 years ago that called Warren horseface. Today I am thinking it should have been the back end of the horse.

Says a lot about a person that would want to marry his fathers wives. Willingly or not. I don't think anything would show up on a cat scan that would show the issues he has going on in his head but it might show some missing pieces of the working brain. jmo

BBM (Bolded By Me). This is exactly what Jeffs is all about, imo. Breaking people. And it's been his goal since he was a young man.

I think there's a special, extra-hot corner of hell reserved for people like Jeffs, who are purely evil and who carry out their evil deeds in the name of God.

Warren saw the role of FLDS prophet as a way to do evil on a massive scale. Imo, he was never pure of heart or intention. He didn't ascend to the role of prophet a good man who then became corrupted or was made insane by the power afforded him. He pursued the position precisely so he could practice his evil on a grand scale. imo

[walton]

From Randy : http://myeldorado.net/

Raymond Jessop was found guilty. He is being booked into Schleicher County Jail.

Twitter update from Brooke : http://166.70.44.68/blogs/plurallife/ She said that Raymond looked over at the six FLDS men seated and gave a slight smile.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009...ing-arguments/

Jessop will remain in jail until 10 a.m. Monday, when the punishment phase of the trial will be held. Jessop’s sentence will be determined by the jury. He could get two to 20 years in prison.

[SayItAgain]

Originally Posted by walton

From Randy : http://myeldorado.net/

Raymond Jessop was found guilty. He is being booked into Schleicher County Jail.

Twitter update from Brooke : http://166.70.44.68/blogs/plurallife/ She said that Raymond looked over at the six FLDS men seated and gave a slight smile.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009...ing-arguments/

Jessop will remain in jail until 10 a.m. Monday, when the punishment phase of the trial will be held. Jessop’s sentence will be determined by the jury. He could get two to 20 years in prison.

He smiled at his crew upon hearing the guilty verdict? Grow up already.

Hope they throw the book at him. Hopefully Texas is of a mind to make prisoners serve their full sentences. If this guy gets 20 years and waltzes out of prison in a few months, the FLDS will be further emboldened, imo.

I think they're just biding their time as they always have. Waiting *us* out. Figuring out how this new reality they face can be manipulated to meet their needs.

[walton]

Originally Posted by SayItAgain

BBM (Bolded By Me). This is exactly what Jeffs is all about, imo. Breaking people. And it's been his goal since he was a young man.

I think there's a special, extra-hot corner of hell reserved for people like Jeffs, who are purely evil and who carry out their evil deeds in the name of God.

Warren saw the role of FLDS prophet as a way to do evil on a massive scale. Imo, he was never pure of heart or intention. He didn't ascend to the role of prophet a good man who then became corrupted or was made insane by the power afforded him. He pursued the position precisely so he could practice his evil on a grand scale. imo

Warren learned from his father and his father before him. and on and on. jmo Warrens head has been messed up long before he took over control for his father.

What scares me more is that there were so many people involved that had a brain and they didn't do a thing to help. Who was in control of the LE and politicians? Who stuck a bug in their ears so that they quit listening to the pleas from those asking?

The Raymonds, and the Allens, and the many others can say all they want that it was what they were taught. Can't keep on excusing the excuses imo.

Sentencing will be made Monday by the jury. I am confident once again that there will be no 45 day sentences given here.



This is a very good start.

[walton]

http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/ Not only are blues entries worth reading but so are the many comments made by the posters.

Ron in Houston thumbs up on the Don't mess with Texas clip from Youtube

Blues I believe we are going to see many more strange things from our moon howler.

Heck even Debater over at the Trib has it all figured out.