Anna Nicole Smith 11/3 thru ...

[need2no]

Originally Posted by Limabean

This thread isn't about drug cartels or illegal trade of street drugs or what's ruining America.

Personally I think Anna was a tortured soul her entire life in some form or fashion, not just at the end of it.

BBM

I agree, but I do think Daniel's death on top of the baby daddy drama, Horizon ownership, and other legal issues all coming down on her at once pushed her tortured soul right over the edge. So why do so many want to see Howard serve time in prison? Anna managed to obtain drugs one way or the other most of her adult life, and before she ever met Howard. She made the choice to risk her life. End of sad story.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally Posted by need2no

BBM

I agree, but I do think Daniel's death on top of the baby daddy drama, Horizon ownership, and other legal issues all coming down on her at once pushed her tortured soul right over the edge. So why do so many want to see Howard serve time in prison? Anna managed to obtain drugs one way or the other most of her adult life, and before she ever met Howard. She made the choice to risk her life. End of sad story.

I can completely see charging the docs in this case. They have an oath they need to uphold to remain docs.

Howard was an enabler who, I think "loved" her and got caught up in her use. He tried to keep her happy and to do that meant getting drugs for her when she needed them. You don't need to pour drugs down an addicts throat, as many say he did to control her, they actually want and demand them. I completely agree with you, that with or without HKS, she'd have done that. And the result would have been the same. The doctors, however made it very easy, because she didn't have to search, they were there with their script pads, ready to write.

I see such a difference.

[Cindylee]

Originally Posted by cantstandnuts

I can completely see charging the docs in this case. They have an oath they need to uphold to remain docs.

Howard was an enabler who, I think "loved" her and got caught up in her use. He tried to keep her happy and to do that meant getting drugs for her when she needed them. You don't need to pour drugs down an addicts throat, as many say he did to control her, they actually want and demand them. I completely agree with you, that with or without HKS, she'd have done that. And the result would have been the same. The doctors, however made it very easy, because she didn't have to search, they were there with their script pads, ready to write.

I see such a difference.

I actually blame HKS more than the Dr.'s. He could have gotten her help in the Bahamas.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally Posted by Cindylee

I actually blame HKS more than the Dr.'s. He could have gotten her help in the Bahamas.

She was a drug addict and he was her partner. He could have tried to get her help, but doubtful that would have worked and I think he was truly too enmeshed to even see what he was doing wasn't helping her. Her docs, however, could have actually refused to write for her. Then, she would have gone elsewhere, true, but they would have at least lived up to their hypocratic oath. AND they knew, by training, how bad off she was, addiction wise, even if HKS wasn't.

I think HKS loved her *in his sick, codependent way* and so got her what she wanted, but her docs had an oath that they just ignored to get her what she wanted. They were paid, he wasn't. They were docs, he wasn't, I see a difference.

[Cindylee]

Originally Posted by cantstandnuts

She was a drug addict and he was her partner. He could have tried to get her help, but doubtful that would have worked and I think he was truly too enmeshed to even see what he was doing wasn't helping her. Her docs, however, could have actually refused to write for her. Then, she would have gone elsewhere, true, but they would have at least lived up to their hypocratic oath. AND they knew, by training, how bad off she was, addiction wise, even if HKS wasn't.

I think HKS loved her *in his sick, codependent way* and so got her what she wanted, but her docs had an oath that they just ignored to get her what she wanted. They were paid, he wasn't. They were docs, he wasn't, I see a difference.

Maybe he could have not picked up the drugs, and taken her to a hospital.

[Firehead11]

Originally Posted by Cindylee

Maybe he could have not picked up the drugs, and taken her to a hospital.

Even Moe didn't do that when he removed her from a pool when she almost drowned. Not one of them called an ambulance or took her to a doctor/hospital when she was running a high fever.

There were a lot of could ofs, on everyone's part. Unfortunately not one acted on it.

[Cindylee]

Originally Posted by Firehead11

Even Moe didn't do that when he removed her from a pool when she almost drowned. Not one of them called an ambulance or took her to a doctor/hospital when she was running a high fever.

There were a lot of could ofs, on everyone's part. Unfortunately not one acted on it.

Didn't Moe say that HKS didn't want to call an ambulance or take her to the Dr. because of negative publicity? And wasn't good old Dr. E there?

[ResJudicata]

Originally Posted by whyme

I don't. He isn't some uneducated joe schmoe. He is an attorney, he knew getting her drugs in his name was illegal, never mind immoral. Who does that? Who helps drug someone they "love" to death? I don't think he loved her at all. You can't tell me he didn't know those drugs and quantities were dangerous, he knows how to read the drug inserts, he knows how to do research on the computer. It's common knowledge that all those downers can cause respiratory failure.

Do you happen to know the exact California law HKS broke when he purchased drugs prescribed to alias's?

[Cindylee]

Originally Posted by ResJudicata

Do you happen to know the exact California law HKS broke when he purchased drugs prescribed to alias's?

I think the main case are the one's that were in his name. But, I am not positive.

[ResJudicata]

Originally Posted by Cindylee

I think the main case are the one's that were in his name. But, I am not positive.

Seems to me like that would be the responsibility of the doctor, not the boyfriend. HKS didn't write the prescription.

[Firehead11]

Originally Posted by Cindylee

I actually blame HKS more than the Dr.'s. He could have gotten her help in the Bahamas.

How Cindy? How could he have gotten her help? And if he could have, why couldn't her mother have done the same thing? Anna was an addict before Stern even appeared on the scene. An addict will get their drugs anyway that they can if desperate enough.

We now know that Dr. E ordered drugs up in someones name that she never had seen as a doctor/client.

If Stern enabled her by ordering the drugs, picking them up, taking messages and handing Anna her prescription, then so many people who have partners/friends/relatives also have enablers. My husband will pick up my drugs. I will pick up his. We support each other.

There were drugs that were shipped to Moe's house. Moe took them to Anna. He testified to that fact. Is he going to be charged for enabling a drug addict?

There are just so many avenues to this saga that even after two and a half years, many are still interested in it.