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[IM4Truth]

Originally Posted by clueless

Katheryn was to pdf this...but I don't think were going to see it.

Do you know or think this happened in the Gee case?
Did one of the brothers have a severe injury? Since you are from Beason originally, have you talked to anyone with regards to the article in the paper that was not on line? Don't mean to bombard you with question---but I am aren't I.I can see the reason for the LE to keep quite, but this is a little ridiculus when it comes to the paper whose suppose to be providing info. Sort of smells. They only wanted to sell papers, not keep the people informed. Hope the Pantagraph or SJR pick up on that article. It amazes me that not that many people have commented on the warrent/transparency issue. The PG ran an article and there were no comments at all the last time I looked. Of course that is a different county. The comment your friend wrote in the LC was excellent and very informative. I"m surprised and sorry I missed it the first time around. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

I can't help but wonder if there is some reference to knives, stabbing, slitting throats, that sort of thing. That was the Schneider case. I did hear rumors to that effect but can only say they were just hearsay. However, the reference to the Schneider murders is a red flag to me. The Sheriff didn't mention the Fry murders and they were shot, so hmmmm. No I haven't talked to anyone lately up that way. Just too busy in my own life. I try to read the Pantagraph and Courier once in a while as well as the SJ-R and Decatur Herald. Can't keep up with all of it so I rely on you all here! Yes, the comment my friend wrote is very informative and I trust her and her judgment. I do have respect for LE, however, I can't help but wonder why the warrants are all sealed? Seems to go back many years, perhaps as far back as 1976 where I don't think we have all of the answers.

[JoAnn]

Originally Posted by IM4Truth

I can't help but wonder if there is some reference to knives, stabbing, slitting throats, that sort of thing. That was the Schneider case. I did hear rumors to that effect but can only say they were just hearsay. However, the reference to the Schneider murders is a red flag to me. The Sheriff didn't mention the Fry murders and they were shot, so hmmmm. No I haven't talked to anyone lately up that way. Just too busy in my own life. I try to read the Pantagraph and Courier once in a while as well as the SJ-R and Decatur Herald. Can't keep up with all of it so I rely on you all here! Yes, the comment my friend wrote is very informative and I trust her and her judgment. I do have respect for LE, however, I can't help but wonder why the warrants are all sealed? Seems to go back many years, perhaps as far back as 1976 where I don't think we have all of the answers.

I do think it is a pretty good thought that there was more than one weapon..otherwise what was the other Harris boy doing while one of them was bludgeoning the victims to death.. even though Le has not said or indicated it..I suspect more than one weapon and the second weapon was something that was acquired from the household itself.

It is hard to imagine all that horror inflicted on the Gee family with only one weapon.

I wouldn't think Jason or Chris shared the tire iron weapon, but maybe more that they may have grabbed something from the house after they were discovered ...or it is certainly possible that Rick or Ruth could have tried to defend themselves and their family with a weapon and it was taken away from them by one or both of the Harris boys...given them a second weapon...

I too wondered about the reference to the old case and though I am not familiar with it...I do think there was significance in the comment.

[TennB]

Originally Posted by JoAnn

I do think it is a pretty good thought that there was more than one weapon..otherwise what was the other Harris boy doing while one of them was bludgeoning the victims to death.. even though Le has not said or indicated it..I suspect more than one weapon and the second weapon was something that was acquired from the household itself.

It is hard to imagine all that horror inflicted on the Gee family with only one weapon.

I wouldn't think Jason or Chris shared the tire iron weapon, but maybe more that they may have grabbed something from the house after they were discovered ...or it is certainly possible that Rick or Ruth could have tried to defend themselves and their family with a weapon and it was taken away from them by one or both of the Harris boys...given them a second weapon...

I too wondered about the reference to the old case and though I am not familiar with it...I do think there was significance in the comment.

I think too much is being read into my post about the Courier article, so I'm going to try to type part of it here.

(Quote from Lincoln Courier) A variety of factors in the case led police to think the killer or killers may have been injured.

First and foremost among those reasons was the nature of the crime--and the fact that five individuals were killed in a manner that required close contact with the murderers.

"Just the violence involved with the five people," said Erlinbush. "When you looked at that, we thought there would be some injuries by the perpetrator or perpetrators. We didn't know how many people were in the house."

"It was a violent scene, without a doubt. Whenever you have those types of scenes...you tend to think in terms of that. We didn't have five people who were shot from a distance. It had to be up close and personal for blunt force trauma. We discussed that at length and thought maybe the person was injured. We felt we needed to let the public know that."

Previous experiences with similar cases also led police to believe there was a strong possibility that the suspect or suspects had sustained injuries.

"Part of that rationale goes back to 1976 and the Schneider murders," said Erlinbush, who was involved in that investigation. "Mike Drabing, during the stabbings, came down with a knife and cut a three-inch gash in his leg. And we got a call from the hospital"

"Those are the types of things you consider when you do a case like this." (End quote)

I hope this clears up some of the confusion over my previous post, and I hope I haven't broken any rules.

[IM4Truth]

I don't think too much was being read into your comment. We just heard about it and want to read it ourselves. We thirst for the truth on here and any little thing helps. I don't know why the Courier didn't put it online other than just a ruse to sell more papers.

My BIL was with the ISP in 1976 and worked with the current Chief of Police who was with ISP back then, and he did respond to the Schneider home the morning after those murders. While he was part of the ISP then my BIL was not part of the following investigation. Three people were killed in that instance, the father, mother, and a 17 year old daughter. Two teens escaped. Although Michael Drabing was charged and incarcerated, there has always been speculation that others were involved in that murder.

Even news about the local LE, as I understand this article is mostly about the Sheriff sitting down with a reporter to discuss the events of the day is interesting to us and "inquiring minds want to know"! (even if it is nothing more than a recap of the events).

Thanks for the updates though!!

[JoAnn]

Havent stayed up on things ..was on my way to Florida but have arrived and settled in now.

It doesn't look like anything new has developed or been released...probably losing posters since there is nothing to be gleamed from anything and I suppose it will be this way for a long long time unless something new were to be released.

[Smitty11]

What a sad case.
I don't understand how no search warrent was ever allowed to be seen by the public. sounds like a a judical cover up to me.
I hope they both get the death penalty and that it is carried out.
To bad they can't be beaten to death like they did to their victims.

[IM4Truth]

Originally Posted by Smitty11

What a sad case.
I don't understand how no search warrent was ever allowed to be seen by the public. sounds like a a judical cover up to me.
I hope they both get the death penalty and that it is carried out.
To bad they can't be beaten to death like they did to their victims.

I don't like the idea that the warrants are made available to the public prior to trial. Florida is known for that. However, it that is the law then Logan County should be held accountable. But it seems like I keep reading the Lisa Madigan "suggested" they be available to the public as soon as they are made a record in the court. I just feel like we don't need to know all of that information (although I agree we want to!) until after the trial. Information like that can very well taint jurors.

I do tend to believe in the old "eye for an eye". You reap what you sow, etc. People like that cannot be rehabilitated. Until our justice system in this country gets stronger the crime will worsen. Some people prefer prison to the outside world. I don't think it is the choice of these 2 young men as they don't appear to be former hardened criminals. Can't help but wonder if they are sitting in their cells and realizing what they did and what the consequences are......and still holding out hope that they will get off on some technicality.

[Marcia3]

Originally Posted by Scienter

The government reserves the right to kill criminals, yet it ended lesser forms of corporal punishment (derision, abuse, pillory, bastinado, sleep deprivation, starvation, stocks, whipping, beating, disfigurement, mutilation, maiming, etc) long ago as being too "barbaric".

If the government kills those humans that it refuses to tolerate, then what did the perps do differently to the Gee's?

Oh, I don't know. Murdered them in cold blood? Took their lives without so much as a trial and conviction and sentence?

I fail to see how the DP relates or compares to murder. I fail to see it because it does not relate or compare to murder.

JMO

[JoAnn]

Originally Posted by Scienter

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If the government kills those humans that it refuses to tolerate, then what did the perps do differently to the Gee's?

You could easily open a can of worms with that topic!

[IM4Truth]

Originally Posted by JoAnn

Havent stayed up on things ..was on my way to Florida but have arrived and settled in now.

It doesn't look like anything new has developed or been released...probably losing posters since there is nothing to be gleamed from anything and I suppose it will be this way for a long long time unless something new were to be released.

Posters just go on to lurking until there is more news. Or they move on to other boards that they follow. Welcome to FL you got here just in time for some lousy weather! But it will get better!

[JoAnn]

Originally Posted by IM4Truth

Posters just go on to lurking until there is more news. Or they move on to other boards that they follow. Welcome to FL you got here just in time for some lousy weather! But it will get better!

We didnt get much of the storm..just a few sprinkles...but today is overcast and windy..

The trip down gave me lots of time to ponder on the case...but no new startling thoughts..only the vague thought that whatever was on that computer was on it prior to the murders that night..since the indictment said they WENT there to steal the computer.

So the reason they wanted that computer must have had to do with something put on that computer, received or sent earlier that day or a previous day...and something they didnt want anyone to see, know about or have access to...don't you think?

So what could it be? so many things...but nothing, that could begin to justify what happend on that night or early morning.