Natasha Cournoyer, 37, 10/01/09, Montreal Canada[BODY FOUND]

[n/t]

Originally Posted by Frankmtl

Great news, they have made an arrest

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...b=MontrealHome




40ish man known to police... Lets hope its not another damn recidivist

I just heard the news and was going to post!!

Waiting to hear the details.

[n/t]

The suspect's name is Claude Larouche, who is 47, has a criminal record and was unknown to Cournoyer at the time of the attack.

He got 40 months in June 2005, for trying to kidnap a 7-year-old girl in the city’s Mercier district.

At the time, Quebec Court Judge Robert Sansfaçon called his behaviour "extremely worrisome."


http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...318/story.html

[n/t]

Now I'm wondering if he's connected to Cedrika's case. He obviously didn't have a preference. Women and children. Sickening. I hope they put him away forever. UGH!

[lune3]

Originally Posted by n/t

The suspect's name is Claude Larouche, who is 47, has a criminal record and was unknown to Cournoyer at the time of the attack.

He got 40 months in June 2005, for trying to kidnap a 7-year-old girl in the city’s Mercier district.

At the time, Quebec Court Judge Robert Sansfaçon called his behaviour "extremely worrisome."


http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...318/story.html

Wow, trying to kidnap a child? This guy is married, with two sons. I wonder how they found this guy. Maybe some forensic evidence, fingerprints on the ID card? DNA on Natasha? led LE to him? I hope they release the details on how this guy was caught. Since he's been charged with murder, he's not exactly a POI. They have something on him that hopefully is solid.

[kelloggirl]

Originally Posted by n/t

Now I'm wondering if he's connected to Cedrika's case. He obviously didn't have a preference. Women and children. Sickening. I hope they put him away forever. UGH!

Yup, a real predator! Looking for victims - anyone defenseless. I would be surprised if he hadn't done this more than twice. I'm not familiar with the case you mentioned but I hope police are looking into it.

[TBIBeg]

So glad to check in and see there has been an arrest. Finally!

[n/t]

Originally Posted by kelloggirl

Yup, a real predator! Looking for victims - anyone defenseless. I would be surprised if he hadn't done this more than twice. I'm not familiar with the case you mentioned but I hope police are looking into it.

There was a thread but it's gone. She's been missing for 2 years. I wouldn't be surprised if he is involved.

http://www.canada.com/Cedrika+Proven...679/story.html

[lanceman]

Originally Posted by TBIBeg

So glad to check in and see there has been an arrest. Finally!

From the news item:

"Claude Larouche, 48 got 40 months in June 2005, for trying to kidnap a 7-year-old girl in the city’s Mercier district. "

This is fantastic news!

Watching LCN today, reporter Claude Poirier said that the suspect
is 47 years of age, and has a criminal record.

Obviously, I don't know the officers involved well enough to judge
whether this is a scapegoat, or whether there is tangible proofs
available to prove beyond doubt that the individual was ready, willing,
able, and had the means to do the murder and also, was documented
from physical evidence, in being at that particular location.

The best trained and experienced investigations personnel should be
involved to make sure that the case is rock solid and a conviction
is achieved.

[Frankmtl]

From what I read, they took a DNA sample of him when he was arrested for the kidnapping of a 7 year old and thats how they linked back to him...

This guy lives in my neighbourhood!!!

[n/t]

Originally Posted by Frankmtl

From what I read, they took a DNA sample of him when he was arrested for the kidnapping of a 7 year old and thats how they linked back to him...

This guy lives in my neighbourhood!!!

Oh wow Frank. If you don't mind, please PM me where he lives. I have a feeling it's in the east end considering that's where he dumped her body.

I wonder why he chose the parking lot in Laval. Apparently he is a carpenter. I wonder if there was construction/repairs going on in the building or in the area.

[aproudmom]

Originally Posted by Frankmtl

From what I read, they took a DNA sample of him when he was arrested for the kidnapping of a 7 year old and thats how they linked back to him...

This guy lives in my neighbourhood!!!

omg how scary
glad to see there has been an arrest

[ttcRider]

Originally Posted by lune3

Wow, trying to kidnap a child? This guy is married, with two sons. I wonder how they found this guy. Maybe some forensic evidence, fingerprints on the ID card? DNA on Natasha? led LE to him? I hope they release the details on how this guy was caught. Since he's been charged with murder, he's not exactly a POI. They have something on him that hopefully is solid.

It amazes me that so many of these 'guys' are married!

[n/t]

He pleaded not guilty.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...LDm7tm9e9G57xw


Still looking for a photo.

[Frankmtl]

This page contains a picture...

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites...-cournoyer.php

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites...es-voisins.php

It says he lives on prieur street in montreal, if the photo is right, I was able to pinpoint it to a google street view image...

Street view

That's 2 miles from where I live.

[omsk99]

I just heard! I am so relieved this case has been solved.

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...b=MontrealHome

[omsk99]

"MONTREAL – In 2005, a Quebec Court Judge called Claude Larouche’s behaviour extremely worrisome, then sentenced him to 40 months in prison for kidnapping a 7-year-old girl in Mercier.

On Friday, Larouche, a 48-year-old Montreal carpenter described by his neighbours as a nice family guy, was charged with the first-degree murder of Natasha Cournoyer, 37.

The balding, stocky man, dressed in a brown leather jacket, pleaded not guilty in a brief court appearance and is due back in court Dec. 8.

DNA found on Cournoyer matched a sample of Larouche’s in the national DNA bank, which led to his arrest, Crown prosecutor Éliane Perreault said at a news conference following the arraignment.

Perreault said they were still waiting for results of tests to determine whether Cournoyer was sexually assaulted."

More at the link:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/...318/story.html


Also, per the first two articles below (one's in French), Natasha did not know Larouche.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1353704/
http://matin.branchez-vous.com/nouve...urnoyer_u.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1353704/

[n/t]

Originally Posted by Frankmtl

This page contains a picture...

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites...-cournoyer.php

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites...es-voisins.php

It says he lives on prieur street in montreal, if the photo is right, I was able to pinpoint it to a google street view image...

Street view

That's 2 miles from where I live.

Thanks Frank. How in the world did he end up in Laval, kidnap and murder Natasha and knew where to dump her body if he lives in Ahunstic? This is so bizarre.

[n/t]

Originally Posted by ttcRider

It amazes me that so many of these 'guys' are married!

Me too. I always wonder how the spouse could not know. Mind boggling.

[lanceman]

The DNA was taken from the crime scene October 6th, shortly after
the discovery of the victim, earlier in the day, by Montreal Blue Collar
workers driving by. The identification of the victim was made perhaps
48 hours later. The delay was criticized in terms of confirming the victim.

It's been 1 month past that day, and does it take 1 month to complete
a DNA match in the database of the SPVM ? If not, why did the police
take all that time, 4 weeks, before informing the public of the name of
suspect before doing the arrest ? During that time, perhaps the population
was at risk, unless they were monitoring the particular
individual ?

[n/t]

Originally Posted by lanceman

The DNA was taken from the crime scene October 6th, shortly after
the discovery of the victim, earlier in the day, by Montreal Blue Collar
workers driving by. The identification of the victim was made perhaps
48 hours later. The delay was criticized in terms of confirming the victim.

It's been 1 month past that day, and does it take 1 month to complete
a DNA match in the database of the SPVM ? If not, why did the police
take all that time, 4 weeks, before informing the public of the name of
suspect before doing the arrest ? During that time, perhaps the population
was at risk, unless they were monitoring the particular
individual ?

The public is at risk everyday. I'm actually impressed that they caught the guy. I thought for sure this case was going to get thrown in the cold case files considering it was a stranger abduction.

Remember there was the alleged witness jogger. She may have helped with a description and subsequent DNA analysis of the perp.

Kudos to her for coming forward and to LE for solving the case quickly.

Let's just hope this creep stays behind bars forever. No free get out of jail passes this time!!!

[lune3]

Originally Posted by n/t

The public is at risk everyday. I'm actually impressed that they caught the guy. I thought for sure this case was going to get thrown in the cold case files considering it was a stranger abduction.

Remember there was the alleged witness jogger. She may have helped with a description and subsequent DNA analysis of the perp.

Kudos to her for coming forward and to LE for solving the case quickly.

Let's just hope this creep stays behind bars forever. No free get out of jail passes this time!!!

"...... a confirmé que Larouche avait été arrêté grâce aux tests d'ADN et à d'autres «preuves circonstancielles». Son profil génétique correspondait à des traces d'ADN prélevées sur le corps de la victime...."
BBM
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites...-cournoyer.php

We know that his DNA matches DNA found on Natasha's body...and they are stating that there is "other circumstantial evidence".
I wonder if that jogger DID see something. maybe the same truck that was witnessed at the scene in Pointe aux Trembles? Curious about what this circumstantial evidence may be.

Regardless, the DNA being a match is pretty solid.

n/t, Me too, I was thinking this case may have gone cold. Thank heavens this killer is off the streets.
Looks like this savage was indeed a complete stranger to Natasha.

[lune3]

Here's another article:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/09110...urnoyer_murder

Three raids took place this afternoon evidently...I wonder where....probably looking for Natasha's belongings.

Larouche is due back in court Dec. 8.

[Frankmtl]

According to this article (french)

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites...a-joggeuse.php

A fireman saw larouche try to run after a jogger about an hour earlier, the jogger did not even realize it!!! Probably had her Ipod on or something...

That fireman must feel a lot of guilt, I know I would, for not calling the cops after seeing this! It probably wasn't clear to him at the time tho...

They also found out that Larouche had rented a motel room that night, this is probably where one of the raids took place.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by lune3

Thank you for this. Wow, "known to police"...it will be interesting to know what led investigators to this man. I was losing hope an arrest would be made. I hope this offers some small comfort to Natasha's mom and those close to her.

"A man in his 40s, who is known to police, will be arraigned on a first-degree murder charge later on Friday. "

Just to recap: the psychic said:

The killer is a convicted sex offender, not known to her, released within the last couple of years, and chose his victim at random. He has a grudge against Corrections Canada, and is in their methadone program.

The psychic also said the number "40" will be important in this case. Not only is the man in his 40s, but he was sentenced to 40 months in prison for a previous conviction in 2005.

He mentioned the man's DNA, possibly on Cournoyer's shoes, could be used to identify him.

Three weeks ago I phoned INFO CRIME Montreal and repeated the detailed profile gathered through the psychic. At that point, the investigators had pretty much eliminated Cournoyer's boyfriend and coworkers as suspects and were looking for a roving psycho. Three weeks later, the man they've arrested fits the description.

There's also an electronic paper trail here on this board, in case anyone wants to claim all this is some kind of hoax, based on hindsight.



All I can say is Wow.

[lunamoth]

[quote=lunamoth;13621441]Just to recap: the psychic said:

[b][i]The killer is a convicted sex offender, not known to her, released within the last couple of years, and chose his victim at random. He has a grudge against Corrections Canada, and is in their methadone program.




In 2005, Claude Larouche's lawyer stated his aggressive behaviour was largely due to his consumption of alcohol and cocaine. Methadone is also used to treat cocaine addiction. So there's the link to the methadone program.

[lanceman]

Just to recap: the psychic said:

grudge against Corrections Canada,

There is no proof of a grudge having existed ... Larouche's brain
has problems, in that he has a criminal mind, he lacks empathy
for victims, fails to see the consequences of his actions, fails
to have a conscience for stealing the property of other people,
fails to measure the risks of various assaults and thefts, etc.

This has nothing to do with the murder of NC having stemmed from
a grudge. The police, conversely, have stated the Larouche did not
know the victim NC,and also the murder had NOTHING to do with her
work in the Correctional System of Canada, or as a PR specialist.
She was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the killer
was preying for victims, in this particular case, women who were
alone in the dark.

and is in their methadone program.

Larouche was not in a methadone program. I don't know where this
comes from.

The psychic also said the number "40" will

The killer was 47, hardly the same as 40. In addition, Larouche's first
crimes occurred 15 years ago, when he was in his mid-20's.... perhaps 25
and recurred again a few years ago, at 38 thereabouts.

He mentioned the man's DNA, possibly on Cournoyer's shoes, could be used to identify him.

Again, where are you pulling these "facts" from ? The shoes were
never recovered. There was no evidence from the autopsy of a sexual
assault, either. How can the psychic suggest the police's arrest
stems from DNA on shoes, when the shoes were never at the crime scene
in the first place, and even so, what evidence is there that DNA
would be on those items, if no sex assault occurred?

As a bystander, stuff from a crystal ball has to be taken with
a grain of salt, obviously. But trying to "Connect the dots" based on the
psychic's tarot stack of cards with the dots so few and far between, and
saying "I told you so!" too often sounds like a rehearsed wishful thinking.

The trial will bring forth rock-solid evidence, that is needed
to bring forth a conviction, and not loose dots or just a few of them.
A jury will be looking closely at those aspects, and from what I've
read in the papers, the motel room, the criminal history, past
misconduct in sexual behavior, the location of the suspect at the
time and on the day of the murder and DNA evidence, is overwhelming.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by lanceman

There is no proof of a grudge having existed ... Larouche's brain
has problems, in that he has a criminal mind, he lacks empathy
for victims, fails to see the consequences of his actions, fails
to have a conscience for stealing the property of other people,
fails to measure the risks of various assaults and thefts, etc.

NO, THERE'S NO PROOF YET, BUT THE FACT THAT HE CHOSE TO ATTACK SOMEONE FROM CORRECTIONS CANADA, THAT HE DECIDED TO CARRY OUT THE CRIME THERE AND NOT IN ANY OF A MILLION+ OTHER POSSIBLE LOCATIONS, SUGGESTS HE WAS MAKING A STATEMENT ABOUT HIS PAST CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS.

This has nothing to do with the murder of NC having stemmed from
a grudge. The police, conversely, have stated the Larouche did not
know the victim NC,and also the murder had NOTHING to do with her
work in the Correctional System of Canada, or as a PR specialist.
She was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the killer
was preying for victims, in this particular case, women who were
alone in the dark.

NO ONE SAID HE CHOSE COURNOYER FOR PERSONAL REASONS. JUST THAT AS SHE WAS LEAVING THE BUILDING OF AN INSTITUTION THAT HAD IMPRISONED HIM, SHE WAS A TARGET. CHECK YOUR LOGIC, AND READ OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS BEFORE YOU FIRE OFF IRRATIONAL ARGUMENTS.


Larouche was not in a methadone program. I don't know where this
comes from.

THE PSYCHIC PICKED UP ON THIS DETAIL IN HIS READING OF COURNOYER'S KILLER. HE PICKED UP THAT A GOOD PLACE TO START LOOKING WOULD BE "RECENTLY RELEASED SEX OFFENDERS IN THEIR 40S WHO WERE IN THE METHADONE PROGRAM." WHICH KIND OF NARROWS THE FIELD.

METHADONE USE HAS NOT BEEN PROVED, BUT IT'S VERY POSSIBLE GIVEN LAROUCHE'S DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF COCAINE USE. AS AN ADDICT, HE WOULD BE A LIKELY CANDIDATE FOR THE METHADONE PROGRAM.


The killer was 47, hardly the same as 40. In addition, Larouche's first
crimes occurred 15 years ago, when he was in his mid-20's.... perhaps 25
and recurred again a few years ago, at 38 thereabouts.

WHAT THE PSYCHIC SAID WAS "THE NUMBER 40 IS SIGNIFICANT IN THIS CASE. IT COULD BE HIS AGE, OR SOMETHING ELSE." LAROUCHE WAS IMPRISONED FOR 40 MONTHS, AND IS IN HIS 40s. SO THE PSYCHIC WAS PRETTY MUCH ON THE MARK.

Again, where are you pulling these "facts" from ? The shoes were
never recovered.

THE POLICE JUST CARRIED OUT THREE RAIDS IN SEARCH OF COURNOYER'S PERSONAL EFFECTS.

There was no evidence from the autopsy of a sexual
assault, either.

THE NEWS STORY SAYS THEY ARE WAITING FOR RESULTS ON WHETHER OR NOT SHE WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED.

How can the psychic suggest the police's arrest
stems from DNA on shoes, when the shoes were never at the crime scene
in the first place, and even so, what evidence is there that DNA
would be on those items, if no sex assault occurred?

THE PSYCHIC SAID "COURNOYER HAD MARTIAL ARTS TRAINING AND FOUGHT HER ATTACKER. SHE COULD HAVE KICKED HIM, IN WHICH CASE HIS DNA COULD BE ON HER (MISSING) SHOES. OR SHE COULD HAVE SCRATCHED HIM, IN WHICH CASE HIS DNA WOULD BE UNDER HER FINGERNAILS.

As a bystander, stuff from a crystal ball has to be taken with
a grain of salt, obviously. But trying to "Connect the dots" based on the
psychic's tarot stack of cards with the dots so few and far between, and
saying "I told you so!" too often sounds like a rehearsed wishful thinking.

I SUGGEST YOU KEEP INVESTIGATING THOSE HAITIAN GANGS YOU THOUGHT WERE BEHIND IT. THEY CAN TEACH YOU ALL ABOUT VOODOO.

The trial will bring forth rock-solid evidence, that is needed
to bring forth a conviction, and not loose dots or just a few of them.
A jury will be looking closely at those aspects, and from what I've
read in the papers, the motel room, the criminal history, past
misconduct in sexual behavior, the location of the suspect at the
time and on the day of the murder and DNA evidence, is overwhelming.

YES, OF COURSE WE'LL BE LEARNING MORE DURING THE TRIAL. BUT THE FACT IS, THE POLICE HAVE GONE FROM LOOKING FOR ANY "ROVING PSYCHOPATH" TO ARRESTING A MAN WITH A CRIMINAL RECORD WHOSE DNA WAS IN THEIR DATA BANK. THIS WAS THE APPROACH THE PSYCHIC SUGGESTED.

IF THEY'D LISTENED TO YOUR ADVICE, LANCEMAN, THEY'D STILL BE OUT CHASING TEENAGE GANG MEMBERS. OR HER INNOCENT FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES.

ADMIT IT: MAYBE YOU'RE JUST NOT CUT OUT FOR POLICE WORK.

[lanceman]

ADMIT IT: MAYBE YOU'RE JUST NOT CUT OUT FOR POLICE WORK.

I never pretended to be one ...in fact, I never attended a LE college
program, or the cop academy, or watched any episode of CSI.

I don't waste my time watching TV shows that have nothing that
can bring value to my professional or personal life, and that includes
watching hours on end of sh*t on TV.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by lanceman

I never pretended to be one ...in fact, I never attended a LE college
program, or the cop academy, or watched any episode of CSI.

I don't waste my time watching TV shows that have nothing that
can bring value to my professional or personal life, and that includes
watching hours on end of sh*t on TV.

Well, good for you, and the same goes for me.

My point, really, is Keep an open mind. Sometimes intuitive knowledge actually turns out to be useful. Especially when combined with logical analysis. But the truth is, not everyone claiming psychic ability has what it takes to solve a crime. But this one has a certain track record, and he's just proved himself again.

[lanceman]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

But the truth is, not everyone claiming psychic ability ... But this one has a certain track record, and he's just proved himself again.

Do you have next week's 6/49 winning numbers ? I need a vacation.

[ttcRider]

Originally Posted by lanceman

Do you have next week's 6/49 winning numbers ? I need a vacation.

please post them for all of us. momma needs a new pair of shoes!

[lune3]

I don't really see any reason for the sarcasm personally. Lunamoth came onto this board to contribute a piece of information regarding this horrible murder. Whether one believes in psychics or not, it doesn't really matter...just disregard if not. Chances are high this was a stranger killing, and one can often fit "predictions" to the facts of the crime. 40 could refer to lots of things.

I prefer to be a skeptic, and yet.....to keep an open mind.
Who knows if this "psychic" is genuine or not? The probability is he/she is not since probably 99% are charlatans, but the 1% may very well be able to tap into something intuitively.

I've had occassional weird experiences myself which I usually dismiss and I expect many people do, but for me the most telling one was in 2000 when I "felt" in a most agitated way that there would be a terrible disaster related to de Gaulle airport and oddly to do with my daughter's birth year and a "half". That my little daughter happened to be there waiting for a flight may have had something to do with the feeling of horror since I was worried about her anyway, but it was eerie and shocking to learn later of the Concorde crash flight 4590. My D was born in '90, half of 90 is 45. Maybe just coincidental, or an instance of synchronicity, who knows?

Regardless, the killer of Natasha has been found, that's what's important.

[lanceman]

Originally Posted by lune3

the killer of Natasha has been found,
that's what's important.

Watching the program on LCN Monday, it's not really with joy
that the killer has been captured and identified, insomuch as relief
that further victims will be prevented, while at the same time,
shock that the system failed to stop the perpetrator from committing
all those criminally minded behaviors over 20 to 25 years.

Listening to Claude Poirier, and those interviewed, it became apparent
that skeletons are falling out of the closet at a dramatic rate,
corpse after corpse, and it's just not Natasha Cournoyer, unfortunately,
as amazing and controversial as that may sound.

Jolene Riendeau, missing on April 12, 1999 and Cedrika Provencher
missing on July 31, 2007, and Julie Surprenant missing on 16 novembre
1999 are increasingly perceived as having been victims
of Claude Larouche's trail of death and destruction.

At the same time, it's a long-shot that Maurice Viens, Wilton Lubin and
Sébastien Métivier (all kids 4, 12 and 8 years of age) disappared or
killed in 1984, are victims of this particular psychopath, from what I've
heard (the little of it on TV) since CL was only perhaps 23 years old
at the time, and probably, was in 1 or 2 relationships that each
resulted in a child born. He's a father of 2 kids, from 2 marriages.

The question now, is that, CL knowing that he will never be released
EVER from jail (25 years minimum hard time) will he confess and
own up to the murders of the other 3 girls ?

[lune3]

lanceman, are investigators seriously considering that Larouche abducted and killed Jolene R, Julie S, and Cedrika P, or is this speculation on the part of Claude Poirier? Did Cedrika not disappear from the Trois Rivieres area, I don't remember.
If you have any links, it would be much appreciated.

[lanceman]

Originally Posted by lune3

lanceman, are investigators seriously considering that Larouche abducted and killed Jolene R, Julie S, and Cedrika P,

All cold or unsolved cases will be re-examined and reanalysed.
Perhaps a polygraph of this suspect for those other crimes
and murders could be done.

or is this speculation on the part of Claude Poirier?

Nothing specific was said, only a reference overall to unsolved
cases.

Did Cedrika not disappear from the Trois Rivieres area, I don't remember.

No idea...

If you have any links, it would be much appreciated.

google, yahoo or the regular search engines find details on those are your friends.

Overall, a dozen or more sexual assault victims are coming out of
the woodwork, and calling authorities to report that they identify
this particular suspect as having interacted with them, in the past
5 or 10 years, in terms of assaults that either went unreported to
LE or unsolved or weren't taken seriously at the time.

[fred]

Some information was disclosed by Claude Poirier this morning about the jogger woman.

A firefighter was walking his dog that night on the bicycling path. Suddenly he saw a jogger being assaulted by someone hidden near a bush. The firefighter turned around and did not report to the police until the weekend following NC's murder, when he heard what happened that night.

The jogger was listening to her ipod and did not hear what happened on the NC's murder scene. She got assaulted and than saw a man running to his blue vehicle (CL has a blue van by the way).

[n/t]

Originally Posted by fred

Some information was disclosed by Claude Poirier this morning about the jogger woman.

A firefighter was walking his dog that night on the bicycling path. Suddenly he saw a jogger being assaulted by someone hidden near a bush. The firefighter turned around and did not report to the police until the weekend following NC's murder, when he heard what happened that night.

The jogger was listening to her ipod and did not hear what happened on the NC's murder scene. She got assaulted and than saw a man running to his blue vehicle (CL has a blue van by the way).

Hi fred,

I heard that as well but from a coworker. Coworker also said that CL booked a room at one of the hotels in Laval and that's where they believe NC was murdered. I haven't heard this on the English news. Anybody hear this from the french media?

[lanceman]

Originally Posted by n/t

Hi fred,

I heard that as well but from a coworker. Coworker also said that CL booked a room at one of the hotels in Laval and that's where they believe NC was murdered. I haven't heard this on the English news. Anybody hear this from the french media?

I was watching LCN in the past days, and in a grotesque manner
(similar to when Michel Trottier said on camera, that he believed
that "people masterbate in the parking lot " in front of Place Laval
while watching women pass by (or so he was told by women
in the same department where NC worked), the newsman Claude
Poirier stated that NC was fully clothed when she was found
strangled, and that each and every piece of clothing was in the
"right place" not excluding "the underpants".

This was said respectfully, obviously, from a newsman with 50 years in
the crime scene business.

There's an outside chance that NC allowed herself to be molested,
at this location, reported on LNC, Motel Lido, 1354 boulevard Des
Laurentides, Laval, with the hope of being allowed to survive the ordeal,
and live on her life afterwards, theorized Mr. Poirier on the show.

However, with police having stated at the outset that no sex assault
appeared, visibly, to have been done, this would suggest that
no fluids were found, and since the clothes were there, possible,
at the time of the attack, NC would have laid her cards down on the table,
admitted being a correctional officer, at which point, perhaps
Claude Larouche went ballistic with the implications of either attacking
abusing an officer protected by the LE system - a much different
matter than assaulting someone from an escort service, on a street
corner, that has no citizenship papers, no address, no official
place of work, for example.

[lanceman]

Originally Posted by fred

A firefighter was walking his dog that night on the bicycling path.

That's a firefighter, who was doing exercise that day ...who saved
the life of the first jogger. He didn't realize that further people were
at risk, perhaps he went on his way when he completed his fitness
routine that morning. :-((

Here's the motel where potentially, an incident involving NC and the
suspect Claude Larouche further occurred. No reference to
CCTV has been said at that hotel, of who went in and who
went out or who was filmed on October 1st, 2009, at 8 PM, strangely.

From what was said so far, it's possible the room rented out and paid
could have been an "alibi" by CL to be in the area or intended to be used
with the purpose of committing a crime and the assault.

Nothing has been said that contradicts the hypothesis that the
strangulation occurred right then and there, in the Place Laval
parking lot, however. So, the motel room at Lido could have been totally
empty, for the entire time.

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[lunamoth]

Some people have strange ideas about "psychics" and how they operate. Some psychics are obviously phony and I would advise people to stay away from them. However, the police have been known to use tips from clairvoyants.

In this case, it seems Larouche's DNA was the crucial evidence leading to his arrest. So the DNA bank could have bypassed any input from the psychic which was phoned in to Info Crime. However, nothing the psychic said would have misled the investigation. All of it would have been useful.

One detail which seems to have been wrong, was partly confirmed this past week.

The psychic said "it was a vicious sex crime involving mutilation." The cops have denied this, saying Cournoyer's body was fully clothed. However, last Monday in La Presse, there was a story on p. 2 which mentioned that the police found a sexually-mutilated doll among Larouche's possessions. The journalist reports that they are taking this very seriously. It shows Larouche at least thought about committing that kind of act.

Secondly: by pure coincidence I had coffee the other day with a journalist who mentioned he knows someone close to Cournoyer. That person was having a birthday party on the night Cournoyer was abducted. If you check my earlier posts, you'll see the psychic saw Cournoyer "baking a chocolate cake" and thought she was planning on going to a friend's birthday party.

You can choose to believe it, or not. I am a fairly skeptical person myself, but I have seen this man get it right again and again. Even he does not really "know" how he does it. It's some kind of gift, like musical ability.

About Cedrika Provencher, who has been missing since 2007: I was also thinking there could be a link because Larouche has previous convictions in that part of Quebec. However, the psychic says he does not think Cedrika was one of his victims. He believes she is alive, and being held prisoner somewhere in Maine.

Let's hope all these cases are solved, and the perp(s) put away for good.

Originally Posted by lune3

I don't really see any reason for the sarcasm personally. Lunamoth came onto this board to contribute a piece of information regarding this horrible murder. Whether one believes in psychics or not, it doesn't really matter...just disregard if not. Chances are high this was a stranger killing, and one can often fit "predictions" to the facts of the crime. 40 could refer to lots of things.

I prefer to be a skeptic, and yet.....to keep an open mind.
Who knows if this "psychic" is genuine or not? The probability is he/she is not since probably 99% are charlatans, but the 1% may very well be able to tap into something intuitively.

I've had occassional weird experiences myself which I usually dismiss and I expect many people do, but for me the most telling one was in 2000 when I "felt" in a most agitated way that there would be a terrible disaster related to de Gaulle airport and oddly to do with my daughter's birth year and a "half". That my little daughter happened to be there waiting for a flight may have had something to do with the feeling of horror since I was worried about her anyway, but it was eerie and shocking to learn later of the Concorde crash flight 4590. My D was born in '90, half of 90 is 45. Maybe just coincidental, or an instance of synchronicity, who knows?

Regardless, the killer of Natasha has been found, that's what's important.