11/5 thru 11/8

[Mnchkin426]

Originally Posted by Spyder88

Well, IMO, it's equally important to PROVE the dj is telling the truth before we start getting too excited about what anyone claims they saw.

Seriously...anyone could come out of the woodwork about now and talk all kinds of smack about Kate. They could be lying through their teeth, it could be proven beyond any shadow of a doubt they were lying through their teeth, and yet....there would be people who would still quote them as speaking the gospel, only because it's what they want to believe.

I doubt the dj, because he's the ONLY one there in a very public place, who claims he saw them holding hands. Kate is a woman who's constantly harassed by a myriad of paparazzi. Where were they??? Sleeping?

THEN, suddenly, it's revealed that nothing was actually said about "kissing", other than the original starter of this gossip saying that part of the dj's show was lost. Then I get called out for questioning about the tampering of the tape. WTFlock?

So you tell me. What are we supposed to do when someone says such things and then backpedals all the way and says MAYBE the dj MIGHT have been caught in a lie???

As for calling anyone a liar, I think at this juncture it's in everyone's best interest to question these bearers of ugly rumors, be it about Kate OR Jon.

Thanks, Spyder, you phrase things so much better that I do. The only thing that I would like to add is that, if holding hands is signs of an affair, then I've been a very busy girl. LOL

JMO

[Mnchkin426]

Originally Posted by cantstandnuts

I did see that and I have no argument with anyone calling J4A on it. I just don't agree with a poster saying it's pathetic for one poster to do it and then going right ahead and doing the same thing. That's all I am trying to say, Mnchkin.

Okay....I understand. One thing I will add, though, is that inferring that a dj isn't telling the truth without proof is no where near the same as accusing two people of committing adultery without proof. Both are wrong but the latter is incredibly cruel IMO.

JMO

[cantstandnuts]

Originally Posted by Mnchkin426

Okay....I understand. One thing I will add, though, is that inferring that a dj isn't telling the truth without proof is no where near the same as accusing two people of committing adultery without proof. Both are wrong but the latter is incredibly cruel IMO.

JMO

I would find it cruel to be called a liar if I wasn't.

[Mnchkin426]

Originally Posted by cantstandnuts

I would find it cruel to be called a liar if I wasn't.

And how would you find it if you were accused of having an affair if you weren't?

[cantstandnuts]

Originally Posted by Mnchkin426

And how would you find it if you were accused of having an affair if you weren't?

The same. I don't find either one worse than the other. They're both bad and it was equally wrong to have stated either without proof.

[birdwatch]

Originally Posted by angiemomof4

If he has any common sense, he would settle with TLC immediately and give them what they want. He's on a one way street to bankruptcy right now.....

Jon with common sense - wouldn't that be a giant step toward maturity for him?
I sure hope and Rabbi and whoever his attorney is can talk some sense into him.
Sounds like the begining of a joke: a rabbi, an atorney and Jon wak into a bar.............

I wish there was any funny about all of this, but there isn't.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally Posted by birdwatch

Jon with common sense - wouldn't that be a giant step toward maturity for him?
I sure hope and Rabbi and whoever his attorney is can talk some sense into him.
Sounds like the begining of a joke: a rabbi, an atorney and Jon wak into a bar.............

I wish there was any funny about all of this, but there isn't.

That's got to be one of the truest statements made on this thread.

I feel so bad for the children, but as for the parents, could care less. Neither wins, they both care more about themselves than anyone else IMO, including their kids. Not funny at all.

[Mnchkin426]

Originally Posted by cantstandnuts

The same. I don't find either one worse than the other. They're both bad and it was equally wrong to have stated either without proof.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I see the potential repercussions of being accused of adultery as being way worse than how a celebrity gossip dj might be effected by being called a liar.

Don't get me wrong, I do believe that proof is required but IMO the potential damage needs to be considered as well.

JMO

[cantstandnuts]

Originally Posted by Mnchkin426

Guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I see the potential repercussions of being accused of adultery as being way worse than how a celebrity gossip dj might be effected by being called a liar.

Don't get me wrong, I do believe that proof is required but IMO the potential damage needs to be considered as well.

JMO

Fine, we can disagree.

I'm not going to defend either action. I find it incredibly ridiculous to call someone on something and then go ahead and do the same thing right afterwards, regardless of whose statement is more damaging. Let's get real for a second, though. Neither Kate, the DJ or Jon is going to be hurt by anything we post here. J4A never called DG's actions pathetic, but DG sure did and then went ahead and did the same dang thing. I see a problem with that. Deflecting by suggesting that her actions weren't as bad as J4A's because of what was said is just that, deflection.

I don't want to continue this, though. I've said my peace. I notice DG had no comment; figure she gets what she did was wrong and isn't going to defend her actions. Or she has me on ignore. Whatever, makes no difference.

The point is, the only ones being truly hurt by all this that I care about are the kids. Poor things didn't ask for any of it. Their parents, though, sure did IMO and if either gets hurt going through the process, so be it.

[Spyder88]

Originally Posted by cantstandnuts

That's got to be one of the truest statements made on this thread.

I feel so bad for the children, but as for the parents, could care less. Neither wins, they both care more about themselves than anyone else IMO, including their kids. Not funny at all.

I have to say that my first priority would be for the kids. That includes outright lies being spread hither and yon about their parents, no matter who the tale bearer is.

I get where you're coming from, and I'm going to endeavor to be very careful with my words. I often get to posting and forget my sarcasm can't be heard w/o the icon.

I think everyone here is intelligent and civil enough to behave ourselves. We may not agree on this board, but be in total and complete agreement on another.

I guess if I've let my dh live after 30 something years then I'm relatively inclined to not kill anyone on the boards should we disagree about something.

[daniel green]

Originally Posted by Angel Baby

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Perfect example this last week: The tabloids all over had pics of Penny Marshall saying she had brain cancer, was dying.......etc. ET anounced it was not true and that very day she was headed to the world series.

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Exactly, AB.

Why on earth would anyone take the word of a shock jock as fact? And, then to add to his tale--long since disproven--and say that the two ppl were kissing, which is not something even that guy alleged?

[Mnchkin426]

I'm trying to wade through the court paperson Radaronline relative to the lawsuit. All I can say is YIKES! and I'm only partially through Sabin's affidavit.

JMO

[cantstandnuts]

Originally Posted by Spyder88

I have to say that my first priority would be for the kids. That includes outright lies being spread hither and yon about their parents, no matter who the tale bearer is.

I get where you're coming from, and I'm going to endeavor to be very careful with my words. I often get to posting and forget my sarcasm can't be heard w/o the icon.

I think everyone here is intelligent and civil enough to behave ourselves. We may not agree on this board, but be in total and complete agreement on another.

I guess if I've let my dh live after 30 something years then I'm relatively inclined to not kill anyone on the boards should we disagree about something.

You're a very good sport, Spyder and I'm glad you posted this. I will try to behave as well!

[cantstandnuts]

Originally Posted by Angel Baby

The same type person who goes and tries to insert themselves into these type stories. Then they turn around and say they care about the kids??? Every board has at least one.
Attention seekers.

Hey, maybe it was ALMOST kissing. Like Kate's blouse was ALMOST see through......her boobs were ALMOST popping out.

O/T I went to the football game of my life last night. My sons team won the western state championships last night. My son who is the defensive lineman, played most all the game until the end when they put in the less experienced players so they could tell their kids one day they played in the game. Sign me HAPPY HAPPY!!

Bolding mine. I don't know what you mean by the first bolded line. Aren't we all inserting ourselves into these type of stories? And what does it have to do with attention seeking?

Congrats to your son on the game. You must be bursting with pride right about now! That's a good coach, too, one who isn't so into winning that he/she would let everyone on the team share in the spotlight. I hate when coaches don't let the whole team play simply because the win is more important than the spirit of teamwork. Kudos to the coach.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally Posted by Angel Baby

Thank-You very much C. Thankfully no one was hurt on either side.

I am talking about people, the Shock Jock for one, who insert themselves PHYSICALLY into these type stories and say they saw something that no one else seems to have EVER seen.

I have spent a lot of time fact checking such stories and have come up totally empty handed. Things that were suppose to be on websites are no longer there, any supposed proof gone and stuff like still photos that Paps snapped just before or after something big went down. They always have these un-named sources or even worse disgruntled employees and such folks who have not even been in the picture for years.

Like I said, 98% of the posters here deal in fact. I sure do not wake up each day wondering what kind of fiction I can find on some parent of 8 little darling kids I have grown to love.

Lets face it, if someone is a really bad person, there really is no need to make things up.

Bold mine.

That's true enough.

It's clear that Jon is up to all kinds of shenagagins. He's too stupid to hide it and it's going to come back and bite him in the rear. Very selfish, too.

Kate, for her part, completely turned me off during those TLC shows. She is obviously controlling, a put down artist and generally pretty cranky most of the time. Also, I think, too hard on her kids. It's rare to see her in a picture where she doesn't look completely miserable and I get the sense that what we did see on the show was pretty mild in comparison to when the cameras weren't rolling. I don't think she's very nice. But that's JMO.

The kids are completely innocent and I wish someone would treat them like they deserve to be treated and honestly put them first. Neither parent is doing that, IMO.

[Ionmhainn]

Originally Posted by cantstandnuts

Bold mine.

That's true enough.

It's clear that Jon is up to all kinds of shenagagins. He's too stupid to hide it and it's going to come back and bite him in the rear. Very selfish, too.

Kate, for her part, completely turned me off during those TLC shows. She is obviously controlling, a put down artist and generally pretty cranky most of the time. Also, I think, too hard on her kids. It's rare to see her in a picture where she doesn't look completely miserable and I get the sense that what we did see on the show was pretty mild in comparison to when the cameras weren't rolling. I don't think she's very nice. But that's JMO.

The kids are completely innocent and I wish someone would treat them like they deserve to be treated and honestly put them first. Neither parent is doing that, IMO.

I agree re Kate. However, in watching reruns, I've become convinced that she may have some sort of anxiety disorder. She gets in a panic and lashes out over trivial things. I also noticed that she got "sick" on the skiing vacation, but made a miraculous recovery when she didn't have to go out with the family. On another trip, supposedly for Jon, she refused to wear sunscreen, and ended up sick again. Successfully drawing attention to herself, imo.
Almost every time she made a disparaging comment about Jon, she would take a sideways look at the camera. It reminded me of little kids doing the "look at me" thing.

[daniel green]

Originally Posted by Angel Baby

The same type person who goes and tries to insert themselves into these type stories.

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O/T I went to the football game of my life last night. My sons team won the western state championships last night. My son who is the defensive lineman, played most all the game until the end when they put in the less experienced players so they could tell their kids one day they played in the game. Sign me HAPPY HAPPY!!

Yeah, I've always been very weirded out by ppl inserting themselves into stories/cases.

Mazel tov! I bet you all had a wonderful night! Bet you were a proud, proud mama!!!!!!!!!!!

[daniel green]

Originally Posted by Ionmhainn

I agree re Kate. However, in watching reruns, I've become convinced that she may have some sort of anxiety disorder. snipped.

Oh, my goodness.

Thankfully, actual Dxing of such disorders are made my one's physicians and any testing psychiatrists/psychologists.

[Ionmhainn]

Originally Posted by cantstandnuts

Bold mine.

That's true enough.

It's clear that Jon is up to all kinds of shenagagins. He's too stupid to hide it and it's going to come back and bite him in the rear. Very selfish, too.

Kate, for her part, completely turned me off during those TLC shows. She is obviously controlling, a put down artist and generally pretty cranky most of the time. Also, I think, too hard on her kids. It's rare to see her in a picture where she doesn't look completely miserable and I get the sense that what we did see on the show was pretty mild in comparison to when the cameras weren't rolling. I don't think she's very nice. But that's JMO.

The kids are completely innocent and I wish someone would treat them like they deserve to be treated and honestly put them first. Neither parent is doing that, IMO.

I agree re Kate. However, in watching reruns, I've become convinced that she may have some sort of anxiety disorder. She gets in a panic and lashes out over trivial things. I also noticed that she got "sick" on the skiing vacation, but made a miraculous recovery when she didn't have to go out with the family. On another trip, supposedly for Jon, she refused to wear sunscreen, and ended up sick again. Successfully drawing attention to herself, imo.
Almost every time she made a disparaging comment about Jon, she would take a sideways look at the camera. It reminded me of little kids doing the "look at me" thing.

IMO, she dealt with her anxiety by finding someone else to blame for the way she was feeling....usually Jon. People get pretty discouraged when it seems that they cant do anything right. It quite naturally leads to resentment and a feeling of "why even try?"

No doubt Jon went off the rails, but really, you could see it coming for a long time. I'm not making excuses for him, but I'm not excusing Kate either. She seems to have some awareness of her anxiety, but doesn't seem to realize that it doesn't give her the right to use it as an excuse to demean others. I keep waiting for a light bulb to come on when she talks about the tabloids saying "hurtful" things.

ETA....I'm not sure how this post appeared in segments.

[daniel green]

So now not only are we diagnosing disorders but expressing dissappointments with how someone is NOT handling the alleged disorder?

[Ionmhainn]

Originally Posted by daniel green

So now not only are we diagnosing disorders but expressing dissappointments with how someone is NOT handling the alleged disorder?

Just opining. Of course it would need someone intimately involved to make a proper diagnosis

However, Kate has acknowleged "panicking" several times. Common with anxiety.

[daniel green]

Originally Posted by Ionmhainn

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However, Kate has acknowleged "panicking" several times. Common with anxiety.

Also common with living. Also common with divorce. Also common with having small children. Also common with flying. Also common with uncerntainty. Also common with...

[Ionmhainn]

Originally Posted by Angel Baby

Anxiety......panicking.......Hello......the women had 6 kids born at the same time with twins already in the home!!

You should of seen me when my twins were born. And I still get like that. When mine were born one was put in NICU as a precaution because he was not eating. Within an hour he was doing just fine. Still they would not put him in the nursery with his brother as was their policy, once in NICU they were suppose to stay there till they left. I just would not take no for an answer. Finally they gave in. In my head, if they were together, they would be safer. I still feel like that. On the ride home you would of thought it was a roller coaster ride. I was so afraid we would never get them home safely.

On top of it all, the PMS I started having and still get just made things worse. My mom......same thing. Most of my friends.....same thing. I thought it was something that just went along with motherhood.

In just about any situation concerning my sons, I can think of something to have anxiety over. I do always feel better when they are together . No doubt I will be this way forever. So will Kate, I'm sure.

I understand the anxieties re the children. My point was that when anxiety results in lashing out and demeaning others, then it becomes a problem...for those in close proximity.

When it extends to things such as the "wrong" shoes or hair scrunchies, or crumbs on the counter, it's bordering on the ridiculous. The anxiety itself is the problem, not the "stuff."

I really do think that if Kate could gain some insight in that regard, she'd be a lot better off.
She was, in effect, "stressing herself out" over trivial things a lot of the time. IMO

[Spyder88]

Originally Posted by Ionmhainn

I understand the anxieties re the children. My point was that when anxiety results in lashing out and demeaning others, then it becomes a problem...for those in close proximity.

When it extends to things such as the "wrong" shoes or hair scrunchies, or crumbs on the counter, it's bordering on the ridiculous. The anxiety itself is the problem, not the "stuff."

I really do think that if Kate could gain some insight in that regard, she'd be a lot better off.
She was, in effect, "stressing herself out" over trivial things a lot of the time. IMO

I think both Jon and Kate have many issues they're burdened with. I'll grant it was much of their own choosing, but I'm sure neither one was prepared for the onslaught of paparazzi after 5 years on a hit show. Who could possibly have guessed?

Geez. Hubby and I both went nuts when our daughter was born. One little girl. I can't imagine how my OWN relationship would have suffered if it were us blessed with twins and then viola`...6, count them, 6 kids. Yikes. I think it wouldn't have been so good at our house. Can you sayyyy.... nervous breakdown?

I'm convinced that Kate suffers from obsessive/compulsion and depression. Jon is bi-polar and is in the manic state of it as we speak. I'm no psychiatrist, counselor, teacher, preacher or psychologist. I'm arm-chairing my diagnosis, so no one needs to ask me about my credentials. I have none. But I have slept at a Holiday Inn Express before.

[Spyder88]

Originally Posted by birdwatch

Jon with common sense - wouldn't that be a giant step toward maturity for him?
I sure hope and Rabbi and whoever his attorney is can talk some sense into him.
Sounds like the begining of a joke: a rabbi, an atorney and Jon wak into a bar.............

I wish there was any funny about all of this, but there isn't.

LOL A Rabbi, an attorney and Jon walk into a bar. You'd think one of them would have seen it.

Badabum....

LOLOLOL

[Justice4all]

Originally Posted by Ionmhainn

Just opining. Of course it would need someone intimately involved to make a proper diagnosis

However, Kate has acknowleged "panicking" several times. Common with anxiety.

Kate Gosselin's obsessive compulsive behavior

Kate Gosselin's audience has long speculated she might have clinical OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder). Her soon-to-be-ex-husband Jon Gosselin has accused her on several Jon and Kate Plus 8 episodes of being somewhat of a control freak. Her sister in law, Jodi Kreider has said in the past that Kate is "obsessive about control" which in part explains the falling out between her and other family members.

http://www.examiner.com/x-12100-Jon-...lsive-behavior

[daniel green]

Here we go again. And I will have to state, yet again, that to blithely say that Kate has OCD is a disservice for people with the disease and their loved ones. And that I find it extremely insensitive to anyone who has faced the ravages of that disorder.

[ABC]

Originally Posted by daniel green

Here we go again. And I will have to state, yet again, that to blithely say that Kate has OCD is a disservice for people with the disease and their loved ones. And that I find it extremely insensitive to anyone who has faced the ravages of that disorder.

You bet. No one with OCD would have such a dirty messy house. She did not even make her own bed, let alone the kids and almost never put sheets on their beds. That was a ploy and event fodder like the pumpkin cutting and bakery mess. Kate said she had it but that does not work in the real world and where is it now?

[Justice4all]

Originally Posted by ABC

You bet. No one with OCD would have such a dirty messy house. She did not even make her own bed, let alone the kids and almost never put sheets on their beds. That was a ploy and event fodder like the pumpkin cutting and bakery mess. Kate said she had it but that does not work in the real world and where is it now?

I would love to know why they put her cookbook on hold....I suspect because they found out she really doesn't know how to cook.


MHO

[Justice4all]

Kate Gosselin’s Friend Fears She Will Never Be Happy

“She said to me, ‘I don’t think I’ll ever find someone who can put up with me and my eight kids,’” Jamie told Life & Style. “She’s a very strong person — maybe one of the strongest people I’ve ever me. She’s very in charge.” No, really? We never could have deduced that from watching Jon & Kate Plus 8.

http://realitytvmagazine.sheknows.co...ever-be-happy/


well maybe Kate shouldn't have mistreated the man she had.....


Kate you made your bed now lie in it.............

[Kelly3820]

Originally Posted by Justice4all

I would love to know why they put her cookbook on hold....I suspect because they found out she really doesn't know how to cook.


MHO

I suspect that if it comes out after the divorce is final she will not have to split the proceeds with Jon.

[Mnchkin426]

Originally Posted by Justice4all

Kate Gosselin’s Friend Fears She Will Never Be Happy



http://realitytvmagazine.sheknows.co...ever-be-happy/


well maybe Kate shouldn't have mistreated the man she had.....


Kate you made your bed now lie in it.............

What about Jon? Shouldn't he lie in the bed that he has made? Have a feeling it may start to feel like a bed of nails for him what with all that is going on with TLC.

JMO

[Justice4all]

Originally Posted by Mnchkin426

What about Jon? Shouldn't he lie in the bed that he has made? Have a feeling it may start to feel like a bed of nails for him what with all that is going on with TLC.

JMO

well of course he should, but my post was about Kate...let's try to stay on track

[Spyder88]

Originally Posted by Kelly3820

I suspect that if it comes out after the divorce is final she will not have to split the proceeds with Jon.

Hopefully she won't. Of course, Jon could say she wrote it while he was there. That and how good their respective lawyers are.

Kate has some maturing to do and Jon needs to settle down somehow. He looks so bad now, I just want to make him shower, go to bed and sleep for a very long time. Too bad I'm not his fairy godmother.

I'm thinking neither one of these people are doing themselves any justice at times. Again, as always, it's the kids who are going to have it the worst. They don't have the maturity to "get" this stuff. For that matter, who really does?

[Mnchkin426]

Originally Posted by Kelly3820

I suspect that if it comes out after the divorce is final she will not have to split the proceeds with Jon.

You may well be right. Plus, it might be easier to market it once all the negativity dies down (assuming it does once the divorce is final).

JMO

[Spyder88]

Originally Posted by Justice4all

Kate Gosselin’s Friend Fears She Will Never Be Happy



http://realitytvmagazine.sheknows.co...ever-be-happy/


well maybe Kate shouldn't have mistreated the man she had.....


Kate you made your bed now lie in it.............

Yep. It's all Kate's fault.

[Mnchkin426]

Originally Posted by Justice4all

well of course he should, but my post was about Kate...let's try to stay on track

Like you always do, I suppose. LOL

JMO

[Justice4all]

Originally Posted by Spyder88

Yep. It's all Kate's fault.

Did you ever watch the show?

[Spyder88]

Originally Posted by Justice4all

Did you ever watch the show?

Yes I did, but not religiously. Why do you ask?

[Mnchkin426]

Has anyone read the court papers on RO? Looks to me like TLC has most, if not all, their i's dotted and t's crossed. They certainly have cited lots of examples of Jon's breaching of the contract and seem to have backed them up with links and case law.

JMO