Nicholas Francisco 10/12 - 11/8

[Musterion]

Originally Posted by Casspian

Double Speak as you were trying to take something I said in support of SilverDove and use it against Christine. Surely, you aren't going to claim otherwise.

More like Reticular Activating System doing some filtering and focusing.

So, yeah, absolutely claim otherwise.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Originally Posted by SilverDove

Doesn't really matter at this point she did it, it's done and she is perfectly safe. So even if it was a mistake it all turned out fine.

Keys didn't matter at that point because she had already had the locks changed so she knew no one could use them.

So she change the locks and made a mistake in say she was moving.

Doesn't matter to you.

Taken with the multitude of other events/curious or questionable things of a wife/ex-wife of a missing person it lends itself to more questions. Not less, IMO.

Keys could very well be irrelevant as I said in my other post. Your hindsight scenario has no impact on what she said at the time.

She even went on to say: "I haven't felt safe in my home since 2/13. who ever has nicholas has my address, knows i have kids and knows that donations have come in. my locks are changed though."

Mistake?

She is saying that she doesn't feel safe even if her locks are changed, SD. And she goes on to announce or remind whoever the big bad people are that have Nicholas 'oh wait, I have children and MONEY.'

Could it possibly be, just maybe, she was trying to illicit more sympathy and help? And, she knew there was not anyone who 'had Nicholas' and was going to come after her?

This, IMO, is not someone who has any fear of anyone coming after her or her children.

IMO.
M.

[Casspian]

I hope none of those tearing apart every thing a woman said that was in a crisis situation ever finds themselves in the same way.

On top of it, Yes, it does matter that she was pregnant. Do any of you care that she carried that baby while reading your garbage about her for months, that she was alone and had two other young children to take care of while realizing her whole world was turned up side down.

It makes me cringe since I have two grandchildren nearly the same age as a couple of her kids. My daughter had a difficult emotional time during pregnancy, even though I did not. It would have made me cry to find her in this situation and hear all the nitpicking, spiteful things being said about her. My god, some of you have posted over and over about what was sold at Christine's garage sale even though you have not one speck of evidence of what was sold. I guess shame is not in your vocabulary, but I hope Karma is.

[Musterion]

Originally Posted by Casspian

I hope none of those tearing apart every thing a woman said that was in a crisis situation ever finds themselves in the same way.

On top of it, Yes, it does matter that she was pregnant. Do any of you care that she carried that baby while reading your garbage about her for months, that she was alone and had two other young children to take care of while realizing her whole world was turned up side down.

It makes me cringe since I have two grandchildren nearly the same age as a couple of her kids. My daughter had a difficult emotional time during pregnancy, even though I did not. It would have made me cry to find her in this situation and hear all the nitpicking, spiteful things being said about her. My god, some of you have posted over and over about what was sold at Christine's garage sale even though you have not one speck of evidence of what was sold. I guess shame is not in your vocabulary, but I hope Karma is.

What Christine went through mentally, emotionally, spiritually and physically has nothing to do with whether or not she knows what happened to Nicholas, whether she had something to do with his disappearance.

This is a missing person's case. It could be a murder case. You have Christine's version of events. You sympathize with that. That's okay. But, calling down hellfire on those of us who have questions about behaviour and actions and words of the ex wife of a man who is missing only takes the focus off getting questions answered.

Many, many of us on this board have been in similar situations to Christine. We've been left. We've been abandoned. We've been divorced and had children left to take care of by ourselves. We've had loved ones murdered and loved ones go missing, never resolved. Many of us have fought in courts and been lied about. No one here, IMO, that is questioning Christine is doing it with any other motive than wanting the truth of what happened to Nicholas.

If no one questioned the missing person's spouse's actions (or murdered spouse's actions), many times there would be no resolutions to these cases.

Fight for Christine, Casspian. That is very okay. But, please, do her justice by combating what you see as misunderstandings about her or unfairness toward her with facts or reasonable scenarios. That just might help to make pieces fit that don't seem to fit right now.

IMO.
M.

[bugout]

Originally Posted by SeattleEddie

It's really beyond bizarre that some people can make NICHOLAS FRANCISCO's disappearance all about them.

But thank you! I needed a good laugh today.

SE hugs and well wishes from the East! Let me tell you it is with sad eyes that I log in and see some of these posts here today!
I'm glad that the agency is at least still looking for him.
I'm happy to see that maybe his case will get a boost in the arm. I hope it does, and I hope LE gives his case new eyes. Because someone has tunnel vision in his case I fear.

SD, I am not sure what your point IS in NF's case. It's seems to me you must be family or someone very close to CF if not CF herself. You continually derail this thread, and continually make this case about CF. It is not.

Nicholas, is the one who is missing; he could be dead. Have some respect! If you are CF shame on you for continuing with your ways online trying to manipulate people, and continue to crave the limelight. How sad!
Whatever your position in this case; it would help if you posted about the facts in this case instead of fairy tales. The "secret life" is something that came straight from CF's mouth, not LE, no one else.

It's as disrespectful as DP saying Stacy P had a secret life and left him because of it. I say BS! BS on this scam.

Most of us only want to know one thing: If Nick is ALIVE. Because we really do C A R E if he is alive, unlike some who sold all his belongings, his home, and left 2 mos after he went "missing".
NF deserves the public to know the truth, and hopefully one day IF he is alive he will clear his name that his wife so aptly has tried to destroy online. It is a sad day, when a spouse in a case uses her "condition" to derail an investigation AND uses that condition to plead for money online.
It was disgusting to me. And I still have the same message to Her.
Get A Job. Maybe that was Nicks intent in leaving the way he supposedly did. Maybe he wanted to teach her a lesson.

I have found that the lies spewed in this case have been many. And, LE is watching. LE won't go away. If there was foul play in this case, there is an excellent record online of exactly what his spouse did, what she said, and how she tried to cover her tracks even online by changing her profiles on her social networking sites. Very suspicious behavior. It always has been.

This should be about Nick. Sadly it is not. Where is Nick? Like his wife said in her first "interview" she sees him near water.....I'm sure she would know.

This case is a missing person investigation. It's not a cold case, it's not a murder case, Y E T. But one day it may be. The paper trail in this case, is excellent to date. Keep it up. If NF is alive, he must have horribly good reasons to do what he is accused of. Some can see several reasons he may have "left". But when friends intv in the beginning of this case, they described a loving man, who would do anything for his children, one who always A L W A Y S went home at night, instead of partying. They never rebuked their claims.
They never came fwd and said Wow, I must not have known Nick very well. No that didn't happen. His spouse instead proceeded to obliterate his reputation, online AND to THE PRESS. To the
NATION on national TV!

Well. I tend to believe his friends. Thus, I tend to believe he did make it home that night. Why LE didn't use luminol in that house once empty I do not know. God only knows what they may have found had they been on this case. It was documented that King Co had staffing issues on the force then. His case is not a priority.

It should be. Hopefully there is a new detective on this case. One with good gut instinct for liars. So many people leave their lives.
So many people leave their children due to divorce daily. They are never persecuted the way that NF has been, online. It's a shame.
Usually, they are found as it's too difficult to keep ID's straight.
They are usually found.

And never other than DP have I seen a spouse in a missing persons case, leave the familial home in 2 months flat & then all of a sudden come up with abuse claims. She booked. She left and sold his stuff.
There is only one person that has acted in a manner that seems deceitful and inappropriate. No evidence of greiving either. Just pleas for M O N E Y~! Yeah, now that's love.
Oh Love. :love eyes:
Bug

[elf999]

Originally Posted by Casspian

I hope none of those tearing apart every thing a woman said that was in a crisis situation ever finds themselves in the same way.

On top of it, Yes, it does matter that she was pregnant. Do any of you care that she carried that baby while reading your garbage about her for months, that she was alone and had two other young children to take care of while realizing her whole world was turned up side down.

It makes me cringe since I have two grandchildren nearly the same age as a couple of her kids. My daughter had a difficult emotional time during pregnancy, even though I did not. It would have made me cry to find her in this situation and hear all the nitpicking, spiteful things being said about her. My god, some of you have posted over and over about what was sold at Christine's garage sale even though you have not one speck of evidence of what was sold. I guess shame is not in your vocabulary, but I hope Karma is.

I agree Casspian.

Nobody is perfect and no one can think of everything and say and do everything perfectly.

Many Blessings

[Casspian]

Originally Posted by elf999

I agree Casspian.

Nobody is perfect and no one can think of everything and say and do everything perfectly.

Many Blessings

Thank you ... and Blessings your way

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally Posted by Musterion

More like Reticular Activating System doing some filtering and focusing.

So, yeah, absolutely claim otherwise.

IMO.
M.

Rules are not applicable and not the same for all parties. (read fine print)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally Posted by elf999

I agree Casspian.

Nobody is perfect and no one can think of everything and say and do everything perfectly.

Many Blessings

You would think though that some of the details would be correct, right?

[Postergeist]

Originally Posted by SilverDove

Chickens all know that when the foxes start telling you there is nothing to worry about it is time to start worrying.

you mentioning foxes brought to mind that Fox is Christine's maiden name.

It's been awhile that I've looked at this old forum link mentioning his case-

http://mydeathspace.com/smf/index.php?topic=13514.0

haven't been following the various sites out there that are still posting about Nick, but from this link I see that on the YH site that the alleged friend cinder/thread starter made a recent post.

[SilverDove]

Originally Posted by elf999

I agree Casspian.

Nobody is perfect and no one can think of everything and say and do everything perfectly.

Many Blessings

The problem has become that ever single word that Christine has ever posted have all been put in a vacuum. They have all been taken out of context. They are posted as a line to prove what ever is wanted at the moment without any thought to if it was before he left, while she was sick, when she was upset, after the police told her more information they had found, after she realized she had less money then she expected.

Also I guess ever time she found out something new she was suppose to go back and reread everything she had ever written to retract anything she had been mistaken about.

Then again that wouldn't help because people would just say that she was trying to cover up.

There is a "wonderful" example of this on another forum. Every word that she had ever said was taken out of context to prove any point that the writer wanted. At least it was given a title to show that it was a biased hack piece.

Now I think that when Christine said the things she did she believed them, but as time when on and she learned more from the police and from her own searches things changed. I believe that as she talked about her life and found out that all people didn't think it was as perfect as she thought it was and that she didn't have to put up with things that she thought were "normal" she changed how she view things. She was also a romantic and overly dramatic but so are a lot of people. So to learn anything you have to take what she wrote in context and based on when she said it. Of course all of this is just my opinion from following this case from the very first day it hit the news.

Now please feel free to pick some point out of this, bold it, snip everything away for "focus" and then copy it along so it no longer means what I have tried to write.

[Musterion]

Originally Posted by elf999

I agree Casspian.

Nobody is perfect and no one can think of everything and say and do everything perfectly.

Many Blessings

But we're not asking for perfection. We're asking for answers to inconsistencies.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Originally Posted by SilverDove

The problem has become that ever single word that Christine has ever posted have all been put in a vacuum. They have all been taken out of context. They are posted as a line to prove what ever is wanted at the moment without any thought to if it was before he left, while she was sick, when she was upset, after the police told her more information they had found, after she realized she had less money then she expected.

Also I guess ever time she found out something new she was suppose to go back and reread everything she had ever written to retract anything she had been mistaken about.

Then again that wouldn't help because people would just say that she was trying to cover up.

There is a "wonderful" example of this on another forum. Every word that she had ever said was taken out of context to prove any point that the writer wanted. At least it was given a title to show that it was a biased hack piece.

Now I think that when Christine said the things she did she believed them, but as time when on and she learned more from the police and from her own searches things changed. I believe that as she talked about her life and found out that all people didn't think it was as perfect as she thought it was and that she didn't have to put up with things that she thought were "normal" she changed how she view things. She was also a romantic and overly dramatic but so are a lot of people. So to learn anything you have to take what she wrote in context and based on when she said it. Of course all of this is just my opinion from following this case from the very first day it hit the news.

Now please feel free to pick some point out of this, bold it, snip everything away for "focus" and then copy it along so it no longer means what I have tried to write.

For the most part, SD, this is a good post, IMO.

(BTW you are as 'guilty' as anyone here for bolding, snipping, etc., just a reminder).

Anyway, context is a huge sticking point for me. And, it is something that I believe should be looked at carefully.

I have, also, been here from day one of Nicholas going missing. I did stand, very firmly, posting to take what Christine was saying and how she was acting into context of what was happening. I still believe that is how we all should be proceeding to this day.

However, there are things, which defy the context of the situation that she was in. There are what seem to be lies told about events that would never need to be lied about. These are the things that I am interested in understanding. Because they make no sense within the context of her situation. They are the red flags, IMO.

All JMO.
M.

[Starkist]

If C is truly an innocent "victim" of Nick's disappearance, why is it so important to her to be sitting here reading a message board and defending herself through other posters whom she has so passively PMed? She has a new life now, with a new husband and new home. She should be off living her new happy life. If I was Brent, I'd be questioning where exactly I stood in this marriage as it appears she is still mentally and emotionally married to Nick. She divorced him and remarried...it is time for her to move on. It should not matter to her what others say if she has done nothing wrong. She should not be obsessing with having others post on her behalf how evil Nick was or how he ran off with someone he met in some alleged secret life with multiple bank accounts after he allegedly abused her for years to San Diego or to Dana Point to start a cleaning business. The more she denies her actions or has others post for her, the more she appears to be covering up something. If she truly does want Nick found if for nothing but child support, then she needs to stop her silly games and let him be found. At this point I can only imagine, by her own actions, she does not want him found for fear the real truth will come out and she will not be the one shining so brightly in it.

[SilverDove]

Originally Posted by Musterion

For the most part, SD, this is a good post, IMO.

(BTW you are as 'guilty' as anyone here for bolding, snipping, etc., just a reminder).

Anyway, context is a huge sticking point for me. And, it is something that I believe should be looked at carefully.

I have, also, been here from day one of Nicholas going missing. I did stand, very firmly, posting to take what Christine was saying and how she was acting into context of what was happening. I still believe that is how we all should be proceeding to this day.

However, there are things, which defy the context of the situation that she was in. There are what seem to be lies told about events that would never need to be lied about. These are the things that I am interested in understanding. Because they make no sense within the context of her situation. They are the red flags, IMO.

All JMO.
M.

I agree I have allowed myself to fall into some very bad habits in looking at everything and part of posting this is to try to quit allowing myself to be focused on some little thing that really has very little meaning other then maybe drama or a mistake and start trying to look at the whole thing from the eye of what real people do in bad situation and what I have seen happen with real people I have know, talked to and/or read about.

So far unlike you I'm not seeing the red flags. They may appear to be odd like when did she get pregnant, what the real due date was etc but in the end it is clear that the baby was conceived while Nicholas was in the house. So unless we want to speculate on what they were or weren't doing in bed in the months before he left, I don't see it meaning much. Not one person seems to have posted that he said anything that might mean he thought the baby wasn't his. In the end due dates and conception dates are all just guess work and mileage may very from woman to woman.

People ask why she cares. Guess it is the same reason that so many of us here have taken it personal when people have said nasty things about them. For some strange reason people here have become vested in Nicholas being dead or abused to the point where there was nothing he could do but run for his life or that he is alive and has walked away from his responsibilities leaving others to clean up his mess. Evidence is rejected just to make sure that the point that people want to hold remains valid.

[Casspian]

Originally Posted by Starkist

If C is truly an innocent "victim" of Nick's disappearance, why is it so important to her to be sitting here reading a message board and defending herself through other posters whom she has so passively PMed? She has a new life now, with a new husband and new home. She should be off living her new happy life. If I was Brent, I'd be questioning where exactly I stood in this marriage as it appears she is still mentally and emotionally married to Nick. She divorced him and remarried...it is time for her to move on. It should not matter to her what others say if she has done nothing wrong. She should not be obsessing with having others post on her behalf how evil Nick was or how he ran off with someone he met in some alleged secret life with multiple bank accounts after he allegedly abused her for years to San Diego or to Dana Point to start a cleaning business. The more she denies her actions or has others post for her, the more she appears to be covering up something. If she truly does want Nick found if for nothing but child support, then she needs to stop her silly games and let him be found. At this point I can only imagine, by her own actions, she does not want him found for fear the real truth will come out and she will not be the one shining so brightly in it.

Where on earth are you coming up with this stuff?

[Starkist]

Originally Posted by Casspian

Where on earth are you coming up with this stuff?

Have you not been reading here dear?

[SeattleEddie]

Originally Posted by Starkist

If C is truly an innocent "victim" of Nick's disappearance, why is it so important to her to be sitting here reading a message board and defending herself through other posters whom she has so passively PMed? She has a new life now, with a new husband and new home. She should be off living her new happy life. If I was Brent, I'd be questioning where exactly I stood in this marriage as it appears she is still mentally and emotionally married to Nick. She divorced him and remarried...it is time for her to move on. It should not matter to her what others say if she has done nothing wrong. She should not be obsessing with having others post on her behalf how evil Nick was or how he ran off with someone he met in some alleged secret life with multiple bank accounts after he allegedly abused her for years to San Diego or to Dana Point to start a cleaning business. The more she denies her actions or has others post for her, the more she appears to be covering up something. If she truly does want Nick found if for nothing but child support, then she needs to stop her silly games and let him be found. At this point I can only imagine, by her own actions, she does not want him found for fear the real truth will come out and she will not be the one shining so brightly in it.

Good points, Starkist. The game-playing is so boring. And obvious. Nicholas Francisco is missing, maybe dead. What the ex-wife thinks, feels, fears, is totally irrelevant. Her actions are only important in how they help to explain what happened to Nicholas. In and of themselves, they are not interesting. This is not a message board to support the ex-wife, to sympathize with the ex-wife, her difficulties, her pregnancy, her marriages, her children, her poor self. I think there are lots of other boards to do that, such as etsy where people can have marathon candle-lighting sessions, etc. And whatever else they like to do over there. Sell aprons, whatever. This is a board to find NICHOLAS FRANCISCO. The MISSING person who does not have a voice. Maybe the DEAD person.

[SilverDove]

Originally Posted by SeattleEddie

Good points, Starkist. The game-playing is so boring. And obvious. Nicholas Francisco is missing, maybe dead. What the ex-wife thinks, feels, fears, is totally irrelevant. Her actions are only important in how they help to explain what happened to Nicholas. In and of themselves, they are not interesting. This is not a message board to support the ex-wife, to sympathize with the ex-wife, her difficulties, her pregnancy, her marriages, her children, her poor self. I think there are lots of other boards to do that, such as etsy where people can have marathon candle-lighting sessions, etc. And whatever else they like to do over there. Sell aprons, whatever. This is a board to find NICHOLAS FRANCISCO. The MISSING person who does not have a voice. Maybe the DEAD person.

You have always been so clear about what shouldn't be talked about here, how about what you think should be talked about.

Want to go back to what the secret that Nicholas was hiding from his wife was? How about no evidence what so ever of foul play?

Maybe you just want this to be an nice support thread for Nicholas? Posting all nice happy things about him? Being careful to protect his reputation.

Most of the game playing isn't being done by Christine it is being done by the people trying to shut anyone out of this discussion who doesn't believe that Nicholas was killed and Christine knows all about it.

[elf999]

If certain people here had a kinder and better attitude about this case maybe Christine might actually post here and we could really learn something. Too bad all the negative stuff probably keeps her from posting, and I don't blame her for that, one bit.

[Starkist]

Originally Posted by elf999

If certain people here had a kinder and better attitude about this case maybe Christine might actually post here and we could really learn something. Too bad all the negative stuff probably keeps her from posting, and I don't blame her for that, one bit.

Oh please...It's never stopped her anywhere else. Her actions and inactions are what have caused people to think and/or say anything negative about her. Maybe she should try clearing her own name through herself and not the several here who she has tooled to post for her. If she had nothing to hide and/or be ashamed about, she would come forth and help with the search for Nick, not hinder it.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally Posted by elf999

If certain people here had a kinder and better attitude about this case maybe Christine might actually post here and we could really learn something. Too bad all the negative stuff probably keeps her from posting, and I don't blame her for that, one bit.

Christine had no problem trying to tell the people off on the West Seattle Blog (the editor had to reprimand her) - she had no problem telling the people who were trying to support her on ETSY to shut up when they were concerned about a computer virus, and she had no problem calling posters here as those who have "slandering tunnelvision". Before you nod in agreement, that remark was said to those of us who were speculating that Nicholas left voluntarily.

Kinder and better attitude works both ways. IMO

[SilverDove]

Originally Posted by RainyNiteNTx

Christine had no problem trying to tell the people off on the West Seattle Blog (the editor had to reprimand her) - she had no problem telling the people who were trying to support her on ETSY to shut up when they were concerned about a computer virus, and she had no problem calling posters here as those who have "slandering tunnelvision". Before you nod in agreement, that remark was said to those of us who were speculating that Nicholas left voluntarily.

Kinder and better attitude works both ways. IMO

Again when was all of that said. Days after he went missing when she didn't believe that he would ever leave her and the children of his own free will. When she was angry at anyone who would dare to question his love. Before she found out the secret that shattered her and her children's life. Now after finding out the secret that has changed her attitude people seem to be even more angry at her and less likely to let her have her say without screaming liar.

Context is everything.

[Casspian]

Originally Posted by Starkist

If C is truly an innocent "victim" of Nick's disappearance, why is it so important to her to be sitting here reading a message board and defending herself through other posters whom she has so passively PMed? She has a new life now, with a new husband and new home. She should be off living her new happy life. If I was Brent, I'd be questioning where exactly I stood in this marriage as it appears she is still mentally and emotionally married to Nick. She divorced him and remarried...it is time for her to move on. It should not matter to her what others say if she has done nothing wrong. She should not be obsessing with having others post on her behalf how evil Nick was or how he ran off with someone he met in some alleged secret life with multiple bank accounts after he allegedly abused her for years to San Diego or to Dana Point to start a cleaning business. The more she denies her actions or has others post for her, the more she appears to be covering up something. If she truly does want Nick found if for nothing but child support, then she needs to stop her silly games and let him be found. At this point I can only imagine, by her own actions, she does not want him found for fear the real truth will come out and she will not be the one shining so brightly in it.

So, I'll ask again ... where is it there proof that

* Christine is "sitting here reading a message board and defending herself through other posters whom she has so passively PMed?"

* That she is "still mentally and emotionally married to Nick"

I could go on, but good grief... this sounds like beauty shop gossip to me. Then you go on to give her new husband advice for cripes sake. He probably despises all of you, ever think about that?

Busy Bodies. You are not trying to find Nick, you're just gossiping about Christine. Then when someone calls you on it, one of you will say, this is not about Christine, it's about Nick. Nothing you are doing or saying is about Nick nor helping to find him, that's what seems so apparent here.

I went back and read old posts, even just the last thread here a few months ago - same ole same ole. And, people being run off - I know cause I saw my old buddy licht had tried to post. Some of you are scary obsessed with Christine and you are not obsessed with finding Nicholas. No one else trying to post here is near that blind.

[Starkist]

Originally Posted by Casspian

So, I'll ask again ... where is it there proof that

* Christine is "sitting here reading a message board and defending herself through other posters whom she has so passively PMed?"

* That she is "still mentally and emotionally married to Nick"

I could go on, but good grief... this sounds like beauty shop gossip to me. Then you go on to give her new husband advice for cripes sake. He probably despises all of you, ever think about that?

Busy Bodies. You are not trying to find Nick, you're just gossiping about Christine. Then when someone calls you on it, one of you will say, this is not about Christine, it's about Nick. Nothing you are doing or saying is about Nick nor helping to find him, that's what seems so apparent here.

I went back and read old posts, even just the last thread here a few months ago - same ole same ole. And, people being run off - I know cause I saw my old buddy licht had tried to post. Some of you are scary obsessed with Christine and you are not obsessed with finding Nicholas. No one else trying to post here is near that blind.

You seem like you'd sound like one of the adults on a Charlie Brown cartoon special.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally Posted by Casspian

So, I'll ask again ... where is it there proof that

* Christine is "sitting here reading a message board and defending herself through other posters whom she has so passively PMed?"

* That she is "still mentally and emotionally married to Nick"

I could go on, but good grief... this sounds like beauty shop gossip to me. Then you go on to give her new husband advice for cripes sake. He probably despises all of you, ever think about that?

Busy Bodies. You are not trying to find Nick, you're just gossiping about Christine. Then when someone calls you on it, one of you will say, this is not about Christine, it's about Nick. Nothing you are doing or saying is about Nick nor helping to find him, that's what seems so apparent here.

I went back and read old posts, even just the last thread here a few months ago - same ole same ole. And, people being run off - I know cause I saw my old buddy licht had tried to post. Some of you are scary obsessed with Christine and you are not obsessed with finding Nicholas. No one else trying to post here is near that blind.

Name calling is against TOS. Also since you recently became involved in this case, you have no history in which to state emphatically that people here are not trying to find Nicholas.

Not sure who you are talking about when you say your old buddy Licht because there is not a member here named that.

Back to Nicholas who disappeared under mysterious and suspicious circumstances....

[SeattleEddie]

Originally Posted by SilverDove

You have always been so clear about what shouldn't be talked about here, how about what you think should be talked about.

Want to go back to what the secret that Nicholas was hiding from his wife was? How about no evidence what so ever of foul play?

Maybe you just want this to be an nice support thread for Nicholas? Posting all nice happy things about him? Being careful to protect his reputation.

Most of the game playing isn't being done by Christine it is being done by the people trying to shut anyone out of this discussion who doesn't believe that Nicholas was killed and Christine knows all about it.

It's not my role to decide what should be talked about here. You can talk about your grandmother's surgery or what you had for breakfast, as far as I'm concerned. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about it. Doesn't mean I have to find it interesting or relevant.

My interest is in discovering what happened to the missing man. No, I am not interested in speculating about things that aren't backed up with evidence, such as a "secret life," unusual sexual proclivities, or a history of battering. IMO those things may be relevant if there is evidence they are true, but there is not. An ex-wife making claims does not = evidence.

What it tells me is that there is a concerted effort to derail the discussion and focus. Continued attention to the ex-wife's difficulties, her pregnancy woes, her hard times, her financial problems, her poor self, is IMO another effort to derail the focus on a man who disappeared off the face of the earth. (an interesting clue BTW IMO)

And yes, I believe a missing person deserves to have his reputation protected as long as there is no evidence to the contrary. Absolutely. I would want my reputation protected should I ever go missing. It's a cowardly and easy thing to make false claims against someone who is no longer present to defend himself. A missing person IMO gets the benefit of the doubt.

No one here is trying to shut anyone out of the discussion. If someone doesn't agree with you, it doesn't mean they are trying to shut you out of the discussion, or "play games" with you. It means they don't agree with you, and that's one of the consequences of participating in a discussion board. No one is obligated to believe what you believe, to think as you do, or to pay homage to the ex-wife's difficulties if they don't want to.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally Posted by SeattleEddie

It's not my role to decide what should be talked about here. You can talk about your grandmother's surgery or what you had for breakfast, as far as I'm concerned. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about it. Doesn't mean I have to find it interesting or relevant.

My interest is in discovering what happened to the missing man. No, I am not interested in speculating about things that aren't backed up with evidence, such as a "secret life," unusual sexual proclivities, or a history of battering. IMO those things may be relevant if there is evidence they are true, but there is not. An ex-wife making claims does not = evidence.

What it tells me is that there is a concerted effort to derail the discussion and focus. Continued attention to the ex-wife's difficulties, her pregnancy woes, her hard times, her financial problems, her poor self, is IMO another effort to derail the focus on a man who disappeared off the face of the earth. (an interesting clue BTW IMO)

And yes, I believe a missing person deserves to have his reputation protected as long as there is no evidence to the contrary. Absolutely. I would want my reputation protected should I ever go missing. It's a cowardly and easy thing to make false claims against someone who is no longer present to defend himself. A missing person IMO gets the benefit of the doubt.

No one here is trying to shut anyone out of the discussion. If someone doesn't agree with you, it doesn't mean they are trying to shut you out of the discussion, or "play games" with you. It means they don't agree with you, and that's one of the consequences of participating in a discussion board. No one is obligated to believe what you believe, to think as you do, or to pay homage to the ex-wife's difficulties if they don't want to.

IMO it boils down to exactly what RosAnn (Nick's mother) feared - persecution.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally Posted by Postergeist

you mentioning foxes brought to mind that Fox is Christine's maiden name.

It's been awhile that I've looked at this old forum link mentioning his case-

http://mydeathspace.com/smf/index.php?topic=13514.0

haven't been following the various sites out there that are still posting about Nick, but from this link I see that on the YH site that the alleged friend cinder/thread starter made a recent post.

"alleged" being the operative word here. Cinder posts that he believes NF is in San Diego, but since he hasn't broken any laws, LE has no recourse (paraphrased). Guess he never heard of child support.

[Danette44]

Originally Posted by RainyNiteNTx

"alleged" being the operative word here. Cinder posts that he believes NF is in San Diego, but since he hasn't broken any laws, LE has no recourse (paraphrased). Guess he never heard of child support.

Hi Rainy - what bothers me is this comment made by Sgt. Urguhart -

His wife is now publically saying that Nicholas was leading a “secret life” and that leads us even further away from a foul play theory.

Nothing like trying to get LE to stop looking for Nicholas - it's Christine saying this even if that one Detective stated he found it, why didn't LE state Detective H ( forgot his name ) was the one that found this information on the internet? If all these people have seen and spoken to Nicholas in San Diego then why hasn't anyone turn him in.....surely Christine would want her child support! I believe Nicholas is no longer with us, they would not be listing him as one of the cold cases they are reopening if they believed he's hiding out....JMOO I honestly believe that if Nicolas has been living this secert life for all these years Christine would of known about it! Nothing seems to get passed her! MOO Christine made it known in her little sewing chatrooms that she was the one that "WORE", the pants in that family. JMHOO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Hey Danette - good to see you. I have to admit I've never understood 90% of the things that have gone on in this case. I've tried to figure out why things were taken at face value by LE, and then I began to look at some other cases in the area. LE seems to take a lot at face value. Maybe they simply do not have the time or resources to deal with missing cases properly. IMO

[SilverDove]

Originally Posted by RainyNiteNTx

IMO it boils down to exactly what RosAnn (Nick's mother) feared - persecution.

You are so right what was he doing that she would be afraid of his being persecuted? Why wasn't she worried about him being missing? What is it she knows? What is the family hiding? Why don't they care enough to even keep his facebook page active?

[need2no]

Originally Posted by SilverDove

The problem has become that ever single word that Christine has ever posted have all been put in a vacuum. They have all been taken out of context. They are posted as a line to prove what ever is wanted at the moment without any thought to if it was before he left, while she was sick, when she was upset, after the police told her more information they had found, after she realized she had less money then she expected.

Also I guess ever time she found out something new she was suppose to go back and reread everything she had ever written to retract anything she had been mistaken about.

Then again that wouldn't help because people would just say that she was trying to cover up.

There is a "wonderful" example of this on another forum. Every word that she had ever said was taken out of context to prove any point that the writer wanted. At least it was given a title to show that it was a biased hack piece.

Now I think that when Christine said the things she did she believed them, but as time when on and she learned more from the police and from her own searches things changed. I believe that as she talked about her life and found out that all people didn't think it was as perfect as she thought it was and that she didn't have to put up with things that she thought were "normal" she changed how she view things. She was also a romantic and overly dramatic but so are a lot of people. So to learn anything you have to take what she wrote in context and based on when she said it. Of course all of this is just my opinion from following this case from the very first day it hit the news.

Now please feel free to pick some point out of this, bold it, snip everything away for "focus" and then copy it along so it no longer means what I have tried to write.

~Bolding by me~


SD I'm going to assume you are referring to my 'series' about this case on another forum, which you have so eloquently, and incorrectly referred to as "a biased hack piece"... that is unless you tell me otherwise. Obviously the title is a summation of what actually occurred; a lot of whining, self pity, and a general theme of ME, ME, ME throughout. Hello-what about Nicholas, the missing man!

As you know, the majority of what was written were not MY words, they were Christine's, and also words from others involved in this case. I merely put them together in one place for future reference as I know how things tend to disappear online over time. Also I did it because I have never followed a missing person case as unique and convoluted as this one, and one where the spouse was more interested in finding ways to make money for herself, rather than use the funds to search for the missing person. Of course if Christine KNEW Nicholas would not be returning then I can see why she wouldn't waste any of the donations on searching for Nicholas. It's mind boggling to say the least.

I beg to differ that "every word that she ever said was taken out of context". How about me give a few examples of this so I can see what you are referring to, and we can discuss it. A blatant derogatory statement like this should be backed up with examples. My opinions and comments on that series are no different than you stating your opinions here and on other forums. It seems to bother you that all of Christine's own words have been captured, as well as the actual facts in this case. It's not possible to rewrite history when the truth has been preserved...even though it doesn't stop some from trying.

As I've stated in the past, you could possibly attribute some of what Christine said and did to shock and stress, but when everything from day one is put together it's clear something is very wrong with this picture. Christine's words and actions were odd from the beginning not just after she allegedly discovered a secret life and a secret bank account, and this is why the case drew so much interest. Obviously she was leading people down a primrose path with the motive being money. When the Etsy ladies started questioning things that made no sense, she knew the 'gig' was up, and she stopped posting and went off the radar.

Also as I have stated in the past, I have no vested interest in making Christine out to be a villian, or staunchly defending Nicholas, I just state the facts, and hope Nicholas won't simply be written off as a heartless selfish man who deserted his family, unless this is PROVEN to be the case. I have yet to see any proof of this.

Christine has given birth to her third child, remarried in a relatively brief span of time, and perhaps relocated... while the fate of her children's father remains unknown. Like others here, I just can't, and won't, assume Nicholas took off based on Christine trying to make this all go away while she moves on with her life. I pray the Cold Case unit will have, and take the time to thoroughly investigate this case, and the truth will be discovered.

[Danette44]

Originally Posted by RainyNiteNTx

Hey Danette - good to see you. I have to admit I've never understood 90% of the things that have gone on in this case. I've tried to figure out why things were taken at face value by LE, and then I began to look at some other cases in the area. LE seems to take a lot at face value. Maybe they simply do not have the time or resources to deal with missing cases properly. IMO

I agree Rainy - I still wonder about Lynn and what really happen on that Ferry that night.....alot of people missing in Wa. and just seems a lack of LE there. Who knows, the forces are losing alot of people due to cutbacks. jmoo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally Posted by SilverDove

You are so right what was he doing that she would be afraid of his being persecuted? Why wasn't she worried about him being missing? What is it she knows? What is the family hiding? Why don't they care enough to even keep his facebook page active?

You're actually questioning a mother not being worried about her missing son? She drove to the area just to see where his car was found.

No one here can utter a word about what Christine might know (she lived with him - spoke to him last), but you want to throw his family under the bus who lived miles away? You're reaching.

[Casspian]

Originally Posted by RainyNiteNTx

Name calling is against TOS. Also since you recently became involved in this case, you have no history in which to state emphatically that people here are not trying to find Nicholas.

Not sure who you are talking about when you say your old buddy Licht because there is not a member here named that.

Back to Nicholas who disappeared under mysterious and suspicious circumstances....

This case is short on facts and long on web history. I can throw out some key terms that no one here seems to even include in their vocabulary for one.

Licht is here under a different name now, but doesn't post in any threads on NF anymore.

[Danette44]

Great post - need2no!! IMOO - I believe if Nicholas really walked away from his family that, it would of been known by now as a "Fact". I'm with you I pray the Cold Case Unit gets to the bottom of this and finds the truth! moo

[Cheri_G]

Originally Posted by need2no

~Bolding by me~


SD I'm going to assume you are referring to my 'series' about this case on another forum, which you have so eloquently, and incorrectly referred to as "a biased hack piece"... that is unless you tell me otherwise. Obviously the title is a summation of what actually occurred; a lot of whining, self pity, and a general theme of ME, ME, ME throughout. Hello-what about Nicholas, the missing man!

As you know, the majority of what was written were not MY words, they were Christine's, and also words from others involved in this case. I merely put them together in one place for future reference as I know how things tend to disappear online over time. Also I did it because I have never followed a missing person case as unique and convoluted as this one, and one where the spouse was more interested in finding ways to make money for herself, rather than use the funds to search for the missing person. Of course if Christine KNEW Nicholas would not be returning then I can see why she wouldn't waste any of the donations on searching for Nicholas. It's mind boggling to say the least.

I beg to differ that "every word that she ever said was taken out of context". How about me give a few examples of this so I can see what you are referring to, and we can discuss it. A blatant derogatory statement like this should be backed up with examples. My opinions and comments on that series are no different than you stating your opinions here and on other forums. It seems to bother you that all of Christine's own words have been captured, as well as the actual facts in this case. It's not possible to rewrite history when the truth has been preserved...even though it doesn't stop some from trying.

As I've stated in the past, you could possibly attribute some of what Christine said and did to shock and stress, but when everything from day one is put together it's clear something is very wrong with this picture. Christine's words and actions were odd from the beginning not just after she allegedly discovered a secret life and a secret bank account, and this is why the case drew so much interest. Obviously she was leading people down a primrose path with the motive being money. When the Etsy ladies started questioning things that made no sense, she knew the 'gig' was up, and she stopped posting and went off the radar.

Also as I have stated in the past, I have no vested interest in making Christine out to be a villian, or staunchly defending Nicholas, I just state the facts, and hope Nicholas won't simply be written off as a heartless selfish man who deserted his family, unless this is PROVEN to be the case. I have yet to see any proof of this.

Christine has given birth to her third child, remarried in a relatively brief span of time, and perhaps relocated... while the fate of her children's father remains unknown. Like others here, I just can't, and won't, assume Nicholas took off based on Christine trying to make this all go away while she moves on with her life. I pray the Cold Case unit will have, and take the time to thoroughly investigate this case, and the truth will be discovered.

Well said, N2N

[Cheri_G]

Originally Posted by Casspian

This case is short on facts and long on web history. I can throw out some key terms that no one here seems to even include in their vocabulary for one.

Licht is here under a different name now, but doesn't post in any threads on NF anymore.

So throw them out...


If Litch has to be here under another name then they have done something to warrant permanent banning of the original nic

[Danette44]

Originally Posted by Cheri_G

So throw them out...


If Litch has to be here under another name then they have done something to warrant permanent banning of the original nic

Hey Cheri - I bet they are talking about Litchfield.....who was banned