[11/5 - GUILTY] 10/26 to ........

[Katprint]

Originally Posted by walton

Does anyone here know why it seems to be so important where an assault takes place?

I know that in some of the cases heard in Arizona there was a lot of energy placed on where the crime took place. What difference does it make? <respectfully snipped>

In general, the individual state courts only have authority over crimes that occur in their geographic jurisdiction. However, jurisdiction is not an element of the crime and only needs to be proven by a preponderance i.e. more likely than not, rather than proven "beyond a reasonable doubt" like the elements of the crime. By way of example, if a murder victim's body is dumped in Nevada, that is enough to establish jurisdiction in Nevada even if the victim was a California resident and thus the murder might have happened in California or even if the victim had recently stayed in a hotel in Arizona and thus the murder might have happened in Arizona.

In this case, the prosecution presented various items of evidence (photos, a journal kept by one of defendant's wives, the victim's continued presence in Texas, etc.) that the victim and the defendant were living within the court's jurisdiction during the general time period the offense(s) were alleged to have occurred. As far as I am aware, the defense did not present any evidence that the victim and the defendant were living somewhere outside the court's jurisdiction during the relevant time period. Thus, the fairly low threshhold to establish jurisdiction was met.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[juliekan]

Thanks you, Katprint

We need to remember that these attorneys for the FLDS have made some of the DUMBEST arguments in other trials. Why should they be better now?

Now for today:

http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/2009...ds-conviction/

Bloggers Reaction to FLDS Conviction (Brooke's is the funniest)

[LLaFren]

My eyes are twitching...seriously...

I am a good person, so why are my eyes going nutz?

There is so much more to come!

Thanks guys, for welcomig me back!

my eyes are still twitching...this is so NOT gonna be fun!

[walton]

Look what I found: http://texasflds.wordpress.com/2009/...-witness-list/



I knew it. I just knew it.


I don't know who owns the blog. So I am going to thank the blog owner and a big thanks to the posters over there.


Thank you!!

I had been working long hours and many days. I didn't see any of this until now. Stupid work. I was doing the google dance for info on Dr. Larry Beall and found the above.

Check out Brookes blog.

[walton]

Originally Posted by Katprint

In general, the individual state courts only have authority over crimes that occur in their geographic jurisdiction. However, jurisdiction is not an element of the crime and only needs to be proven by a preponderance i.e. more likely than not, rather than proven "beyond a reasonable doubt" like the elements of the crime. By way of example, if a murder victim's body is dumped in Nevada, that is enough to establish jurisdiction in Nevada even if the victim was a California resident and thus the murder might have happened in California or even if the victim had recently stayed in a hotel in Arizona and thus the murder might have happened in Arizona.

In this case, the prosecution presented various items of evidence (photos, a journal kept by one of defendant's wives, the victim's continued presence in Texas, etc.) that the victim and the defendant were living within the court's jurisdiction during the general time period the offense(s) were alleged to have occurred. As far as I am aware, the defense did not present any evidence that the victim and the defendant were living somewhere outside the court's jurisdiction during the relevant time period. Thus, the fairly low threshhold to establish jurisdiction was met.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks Katprint. If a person was tried in one state for a crime and proved later that it didn't happen in that state but another can they be tried again in the state the crime occurred?

There was a case in Arizona that has me curious.

[walton]

Originally Posted by LLaFren

My eyes are twitching...seriously...

I am a good person, so why are my eyes going nutz?

There is so much more to come!

Thanks guys, for welcomig me back!

my eyes are still twitching...this is so NOT gonna be fun!

LLaFren maybe you need a little more sleep.

[Katprint]

Originally Posted by walton

Thanks Katprint. If a person was tried in one state for a crime and proved later that it didn't happen in that state but another can they be tried again in the state the crime occurred?

There was a case in Arizona that has me curious.

I believe the answer is yes but I am not sure I understand your question. Certainly I have seen defendants tried in state court then tried again in federal court even if they were acquitted in state court.

When you mean proved "later" do you mean a conviction at trial then newly discovered evidence being given to the appellate court? Or do you mean an acquittal at trial because the jury did not believe, more likely than not, that the crime happened within the jurisdiction of the state?

Note: All states have some sort of "long arm" statute giving the state jurisdiction over "acts causing effects" within that state, so long as it would not be "unfair" to the defendant. For example, if Lead Ingredient Breakfast Cereal company in Montana sells lead-contaminated breakfast cereal in California, that company can be sued for product liability in California. I am not sure precisely what Texas' "long arm" statute says but if I recall correctly, the birth of the 16 year old victim's child was argued as an alternate basis for jurisdiction in the event that the location where the 16 year old was impregnated was not proven with sufficient certainty.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[walton]

http://www.rickross.com/reference/po...lygamy591.html
This is from 2006

Polygamist David R. Bateman, a member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints sect (FLDS), was sentenced to nine months in prison for engaging in sex with a minor.

Mohave County Superior Court Judge James Chavez sentenced Bateman.

Bateman, a former school teacher, must register as a sex offender. He was taken into custody immediately after sentencing.

At the age of 44 Bateman was "spiritually sealed" to a 17-year-old girl in 2001.

Another FLDS member, Vergel Jessop, agreed to a plea bargain to avoid jail time, but will probably become a registered sex offender.

Jessop works for the parks department in Colorado City, Arizona. In 2000 Jessop was "spiritually sealed" to a 17-year-old girl.

A Mohave County grand jury indicted eight other FLDS men on identical sex-crime charges in August 2005, five cases have been resolved.

Kelly Fischer was convicted and sentenced to 45 days in jail.

Donald Barlow was acquitted because the prosecutor failed to prove the crime took place in Arizona.

Charges were dropped against Terry D. Barlow because his marriage to a minor took place in Canada.

Charges remain pending against Rodney Holm, Randy Barlow and Dale Barlow.

If people are charged and tried in the "wrong state" could these guys be charged and tried again in a different state? When it comes to assaulting kids should it matter what state it happens in?

[walton]

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a 2006

They also assigned Gary Engels, an investigator for the Mohave County attorney's office, to Colorado City. He has become a permanent presence in the town. It was Engels who put together evidence leading to the eight indictments and who organized Thursday's raid.

"I can't really say anything about it yet," Engels said after the raid.

But in interviews earlier this year, Engels acknowledged that the cases pending against the eight men could be an important test of whether justice finally had come to the desert enclave.

Whatever happens, Engels said, the eight indictments are only the beginning.

"I got eight more after that, and eight more after that," he said. "I'm just getting started."

The men facing trial all have multiple wives. Each has pleaded not guilty to the charges of sexual violations.

[walton]

http://166.70.44.68/blogs/photo/2009...supreme-court/

On Nov.3 Wally and gang were in front of Utah Supreme court trying to convince them that the wrong charges were brought against Warren Jeffs.

I understand that the defendant does NOT have to be there when different things like this go on. Would have been nice though if Warren would have made a visit.

But look who is "napping" in the court sidelines.
Merril.

What the heck? He couldn't stay for the trial in Texas but he shows up in Utah for Warrens show?

And the great spokeman for the FLDS is absent for Warrens and yet present in Texas?

I will drive the busload of them to a local medical center to get them all cat-scanned.

Seems to me that these guys travel more than Britney Spears with her circus show. jmo

[LLaFren]

Originally Posted by walton

LLaFren maybe you need a little more sleep.

LOL, you could be right!

[LLaFren]

Originally Posted by walton

Welcome back LLaFren

Do you think charges will be brought about to those that witnessed the whole 3 day labor thing? Wouldn't it be child endangerment? both for the new mother and unborn child?

I'm not sure if it would be child endangerment. What comes to mind is more of a failure to render medical assistance, wasn't a nurse and a midwife present? This would be along the lines of say an EMT being on the scene of an accident and not doing anything to help. To me it would more of a professional obligation or requirement.

[texski]

shoot, i will now be losing sleep as well before now and monday after reading waltons list of the sexual offenders who got no time. surely texas cannot, willnot do anything like this???

[TexasBoots]

For anyone interested, I have posted two new voice updates to the AAAP Tumbler news feed site: http://tripleap.tumblr.com

Just to quickly comment on some of the things here that stand out:

Gary Engles is a great guy. He can only do what his bosses tell him to do. He has never been asked to investigate any of the accidental deaths of children in Colorado City.

The 8 man indicted in Mohave County were the only ones indicted at all. Gary believed that they were the first of many, and he was wrong. Light sentencing, combined with either Mohave County's lack of genuine interest in convictions, or the county attorney's ineptitude made the first indictments the last ones, too.

Although the Mohave County machine has criticized activist Flora Jessop, claiming she is unreliable and a loose cannon, here is what they DON'T tell you...

Every single one of those indictments came as a result of Flora's own research. She handed a folder with those birth records over to the county, telling them, "Here's the evidence children are being raped".

So Mohave County can say anything they want about Flora, the truth is, without her research nothing would have ever been done.

Gary thought that because that folder was FULL of evidence that his bosses would keep going after them..and he was wrong.

Walton: Jurisdiction is a highly common defense strategy for the abusers in the FLDS. Every time one is brought to trial in Mohave County, the defense claims they can't prove the crime took place there, arguing that the event took place on the Utah side of the street.

In other words, they don't argue that they are not guilty of the crime, only that the state cannot prove it happened in their jurisdiction. Nice, huh?

Also, the jury member replaced was "outed" by Brooke Adams on her blog before the trial even began. She outright posted the name of the member of the grand jury who had indicted Mr. Jessop, therefore identifying his spouse who was seated on this jury.

Although she quickly removed the post after she had made it, the name was "out there" for the FLDS and their supporters to view. In other words, the horse was out of the barn, then she shut the door.

Perhaps Judge Walther made the decision, or perhaps the jury member identified wanted to recuse herself, hoping that would leave Mr. Jessop with less grounds for an appeal? I don't know.

What I do know is that Brooke Adams acted irresponsibly and in favor of the FLDS by doing that. Removing the post quickly was an admission of the bad behavior.

[TexasBoots]

Originally Posted by walton

Welcome back LLaFren

Do you think charges will be brought about to those that witnessed the whole 3 day labor thing? Wouldn't it be child endangerment? both for the new mother and unborn child?

Walton, Dr. Susan Stickevers, the vice president of the AAAP is currently filing complaints with all relevant Texas Medical Boards, against the "doctor" present, as well as the two women, one identified as a "midwife" and another identified as a "nurse", who were present as the girl struggled in labor for three days.

Neither the "midwife" nor the "nurse" were properly licensed in Texas. To top it off, neither was their "birthing center" licenced in Texas.

Having records of Warren Jeffs admitting they were refusing to seek help for the girl out of FEAR of prosecution of Raymond Jessop is a clear indication to me, that if she or the baby HAD died, they would have never reported the deaths to Schleicher County.

A reporter asked me what I think would have happened if either or both had died, and in my opinion they would have disposed of the baby somehow, and would have toted the girl's body back up to Mohave County for burial, since Arizona authorities explained to me, way back in 2005, when I started my investigation, that "there is no law in Arizona that requires human graves to be, or to remain marked".

That's why I think it is so important for the prosecution to ask the jury, "Gee, if they were afraid to seek medical assistance for the girl out of fear of prosecution, how afraid of prosecution do you think they would have been had she or the baby died"?

Dr. Stickevers has explained that once water has broken, no one should go more than 24 hours in labor, especially a young girl who isn't even finished physically developing. The risks of infection to the girl were high. The risks of damage to the baby, for cerebral palsy and death were high. The "nurse", "midwife" and "doctor" were knowingly risking their lives.


Why have they not been indicted?

Regardless, AAAP is practicing due diligence by making sure complaints are filed on ALL of them, "nurse", "midwife", "doctor" and the unlicensed "clinic".

We ain't walkin' away from this quietly.

[walton]

Texski- I think don't think we have to worry about Texas giving anyone 45 day sentences or saying "oops".

[walton]

Texas Boots I also like Gary Engles and I respect him and his work. And once again we agree on Flora. I had read how much time and dedication Flora spent on trying to do the right thing.

Some paint from top to bottom and some paint from side to side. Flora was all over painting from side to side and top to bottom. I respect her determination.

One of the reasons I keep asking about the state that the crime takes place is because I think that no matter where the person was violated it shouldn't matter. If Arizona can't prove that it happened in Arizona so what? It doesn't mean that the crime didn't take place.

That shouldn't be the sticky point of the trial imo.

They had plenty of proof in each and every one of those trials.

[walton]

Originally Posted by TexasBoots

Walton, Dr. Susan Stickevers, the vice president of the AAAP is currently filing complaints with all relevant Texas Medical Boards, against the "doctor" present, as well as the two women, one identified as a "midwife" and another identified as a "nurse", who were present as the girl struggled in labor for three days.

Neither the "midwife" nor the "nurse" were properly licensed in Texas. To top it off, neither was their "birthing center" licenced in Texas.

Having records of Warren Jeffs admitting they were refusing to seek help for the girl out of FEAR of prosecution of Raymond Jessop is a clear indication to me, that if she or the baby HAD died, they would have never reported the deaths to Schleicher County.

A reporter asked me what I think would have happened if either or both had died, and in my opinion they would have disposed of the baby somehow, and would have toted the girl's body back up to Mohave County for burial, since Arizona authorities explained to me, way back in 2005, when I started my investigation, that "there is no law in Arizona that requires human graves to be, or to remain marked".

That's why I think it is so important for the prosecution to ask the jury, "Gee, if they were afraid to seek medical assistance for the girl out of fear of prosecution, how afraid of prosecution do you think they would have been had she or the baby died"?

Dr. Stickevers has explained that once water has broken, no one should go more than 24 hours in labor, especially a young girl who isn't even finished physically developing. The risks of infection to the girl were high. The risks of damage to the baby, for cerebral palsy and death were high. The "nurse", "midwife" and "doctor" were knowingly risking their lives.


Why have they not been indicted?

Regardless, AAAP is practicing due diligence by making sure complaints are filed on ALL of them, "nurse", "midwife", "doctor" and the unlicensed "clinic".

We ain't walkin' away from this quietly.

If I remember correctly Gary did look into the Baby Grave issue and I got the impression that the issue was still being investigated.

I also remember seeing on your site that the amount of names including the dates and questionable deaths. Aren't they still investigating?

I think even if the graves themselves don't have markers the deaths have to be recorded somewhere. And of course those graves have to be recorded somewhere with the county so they don't "double up".


What do you know about Dr. Larry Beall? The guy who is going to testify on Monday?

[walton]

http://texasflds.wordpress.com/2009/...-witness-list/

Read the comments. Why hasn't this made headline news?

[walton]

Texas Boots I had gone to your main site during the trial and couldn't see anything concerning updates etc. Is there a spot at the site that gives the feeds?

Texski you have to check it out. She has a clip of Mike Watkiss talking about the guilty verdict and Raymond Jessop being hauled away.
They really did do it.

There was even a spot where Flora spoke out. Some can't take Flora's direct approach but I understand what she is saying. And quite frankly I agree. Why aren't the mothers being charged?

I thought that since they took the Polygamy files link off the internet that they were not going to share.



Texas Boots thank you for sharing.

[Katprint]

Originally Posted by walton

<respectfully snipped> If people are charged and tried in the "wrong state" could these guys be charged and tried again in a different state? When it comes to assaulting kids should it matter what state it happens in?

It is the "and tried" part that I have trouble with. If people are merely charged in the wrong state and those charges are dropped then the correct state can charge them without any "double jeopardy" violation.

One reason why it matters "what state it happens in" is because different states have different ages of consent and different rules concerning who can marry whom. If a 14 year old enters into a lawful marriage in a state that permits such marriages, that lawful marriage is not nullified by traveling to/through a state that would not have permitted the marriage. If two first cousins lawfully marry in a state that permits marriages between blood relatives of that degree, that lawful marriage is not nullified by traveling to/through a state that would not have permitted the marriage.

Additionally, a man who lawfully marries multiple wives in a country that permits such marriages remains lawfully married to those wives even if the family immigrants to a country like the United States that would not have permitted the marriages. I have often wondered, if having multiple wives is SO CRITICALLY IMPORTANT to the FLDS faith then why don't they travel to a country where it would be legal to do so and get married there? Like the popular destination weddings that are so fashionable these days? Then, their legal wives would still be their legal wives when they returned home.

President Barak Obama's african father was a polygamist, and nobody cares. It would be nice if the FLDS would admit that the reason for their ongoing "persecution" really has nothing to do with their religious beliefs concerning polygamy but rather concerns their criminal sexual exploitation of minors. If all of their multiple spiritual wives were over the age of consent, nobody would care who was sleeping with whom.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[TexasBoots]

Originally Posted by walton

Texas Boots I had gone to your main site during the trial and couldn't see anything concerning updates etc. Is there a spot at the site that gives the feeds?

Texski you have to check it out. She has a clip of Mike Watkiss talking about the guilty verdict and Raymond Jessop being hauled away.
They really did do it.

There was even a spot where Flora spoke out. Some can't take Flora's direct approach but I understand what she is saying. And quite frankly I agree. Why aren't the mothers being charged?

I thought that since they took the Polygamy files link off the internet that they were not going to share.



Texas Boots thank you for sharing.

They still aren't real hip on the "sharing" thing, and I expect the link will probably only work for a while...maybe until they are loaded onto YouTube?

Until then, I will beg for forgiveness if anyone has a problem.

Until we get the website updated you have to visit the Tumblr site directly. I am hoping to have a link installed on the "News" page, soon. My new BOD is an awesome thing to watch.

Please feel free to contact me at any time. Please note that I do not EVER answer calls, which show up as "Unknown Number". So, if you have caller ID blocked I'd strongly suggest leaving a message with a return number. If someone is going to threaten me, I'm going to have a number to give the authorities, for sure.

K. Dee Ignatin
Executive Director
Americans Against Abuses of Polygamy
TripleAP@gmail.com
www.TripleAP.org
www.tripleap.blogspot.com
Cell: 928-897-9335
Abuse is not a religion: http://tripleap.tumblr.com

[LLaFren]

It took me forever to find this thread tonight

Gonna take Waltons advice and head to bed early tonight.

Thanks for updates!

[TexasBoots]

Originally Posted by walton

If I remember correctly Gary did look into the Baby Grave issue and I got the impression that the issue was still being investigated.

I also remember seeing on your site that the amount of names including the dates and questionable deaths. Aren't they still investigating?

I think even if the graves themselves don't have markers the deaths have to be recorded somewhere. And of course those graves have to be recorded somewhere with the county so they don't "double up".


What do you know about Dr. Larry Beall? The guy who is going to testify on Monday?

No, accorsding to Tom Sheahan "We've looked into it and there's nothing to any of that'.

No, the only thing that resulted from having the cemetery 'looked at' was that the FLDS ran around poking more tin markers into the ground, both on the adult and baby cemeteries. Obviously that was a good enough "investigation" for Mohave County.

Never mind that some people being listed as being buried in completely different counties suddenly showed up being buried there...I guess they were just visiting those other cemeteries for a while?

I don't have a bad word to say about Gary. Like he told me, "I can only investigate what they tell me to".

His boss, Tom Sheahan.....what can I say? from my own personal experience-I think he is a corrupt POS.

Why else would he have allowed Warren Jeffs to have a laptop in his jail cell while Schleicher County was convening its first grand jury here in Texas until I caught them at it?

[walton]

Katprint

When these guys went to court they knew they had taken a "child" to be their "spiritual bride" and some of them even knew that they were related.

One guy married his wifes daughter. His step daughter. The poor girl when going before the Judge during sentencing was not only asking for a lighter sentence for her husband but her step-father who was also her husband. If that didn't speak volumes of emotional abuse nothing would ever sink into that thick Judges head.

I understand about the legal age differing from state to state. I guess I was just hoping that the whole thing could be done over. One guy got 3 years probation. I never did see his name on any registry.

Another guy got 45 days. 45 days. Slap in the face for anyone thinking about trying to leave. jmo

Polygamy is rarely ever about consenting adults imo.

[walton]

Originally Posted by TexasBoots

No, accorsding to Tom Sheahan "We've looked into it and there's nothing to any of that'.

No, the only thing that resulted from having the cemetery 'looked at' was that the FLDS ran around poking more tin markers into the ground, both on the adult and baby cemeteries. Obviously that was a good enough "investigation" for Mohave County.

Never mind that some people being listed as being buried in completely different counties suddenly showed up being buried there...I guess they were just visiting those other cemeteries for a while?

I don't have a bad word to say about Gary. Like he told me, "I can only investigate what they tell me to".

His boss, Tom Sheahan.....what can I say? from my own personal experience-I think he is a corrupt POS.

Why else would he have allowed Warren Jeffs to have a laptop in his jail cell while Schleicher County was convening its first grand jury here in Texas until I caught them at it?

I understand what Gary Engles meant by investigating what he is told to investigate but something tells me, he has one of those lock and load type memory. He is storing things for later. Not a bad thing actually it is a good thing.

I bet I googled for weeks after I saw that list on your site. I went every which way and if I did that I know that they did that. With some of the things I learned from that list, they had to have learned more and much faster than an old lady just being nosey. ( The old nosey lady being me.)

I knew about the lap top. I also saw that piece of info slip and slide every which way but the right way. I think that will come out in the wash as will many other things. But man is it tough waiting for the day.

Did I already ask you if you know or heard of a Patricia Keate?

[walton]

TexasBoots

What are you talking about when you say you got a new BOD ? I am almost afraid to ask but I have this tendency to ask questions even when I shouldn't.

I watched your site for some time. I wanted to make sure that you weren't hooked up with BillM. I never say anything about BillM that I haven't already said to him but the guy scares me. I've seen sinking ships before and I don't want to be around when that one does.

I did call you. Left a message. This was months ago. Then I called Busters office. Told the lady to tell Buster I said thanks left my name and number. I figured you guys were busy.

I'll try to call again.

[walton]

Originally Posted by LLaFren

It took me forever to find this thread tonight

Gonna take Waltons advice and head to bed early tonight.

Thanks for updates!

Been there and have done that so many times. I swear that my job had me on a test program to see how an old lady does under stress, sleep deprivation and the determination to continue on with this story.

I have to admit.... I made it but I wonder how some days.

I thought my brain was going into the rebooting mode.

[juliekan]

http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/2009...stem/#comments

“P.S. It’s too bad Hasan didn’t shoot up Barbie’s court instead of Fort Hood.”

[TexasBoots]

Originally Posted by walton

TexasBoots

What are you talking about when you say you got a new BOD ? I am almost afraid to ask but I have this tendency to ask questions even when I shouldn't.

I watched your site for some time. I wanted to make sure that you weren't hooked up with BillM. I never say anything about BillM that I haven't already said to him but the guy scares me. I've seen sinking ships before and I don't want to be around when that one does.

I did call you. Left a message. This was months ago. Then I called Busters office. Told the lady to tell Buster I said thanks left my name and number. I figured you guys were busy.

I'll try to call again.

BOD= Board of Directors, sorry for the confusion....I'm almost 45, so it's not like I couldn't use a new BOD, lol.

Me? "Hooked up" with BILLM...are you serious? Why on earth would I "hook up" with someone so visciously pro-polygamy like that? :::shivers:::

If he has ever posted on my blog, he must have done it anon, because I've never seen him have the nerve to show up there...unless maybe I've just forgotten it, which in his case I could definitely see wanting to....although Duane the troll is a frequent visitor.

Wow, I'm sorry about the missed message. The only thing I can think of is if maybe it was in June, when Flora and I were on the road so much? Even then I was pretty good about returning calls. But heck, 5,000 miles of Texas road in so short a time could fry anyone's mind.

If I don't answer, leave a message with a number and I will definitely get back to you this time around.

k.Dee

[walton]

Originally Posted by juliekan

http://txbluesman.wordpress.com/2009...stem/#comments

“P.S. It’s too bad Hasan didn’t shoot up Barbie’s court instead of Fort Hood.”

I know Juliekan. I was shocked when BillM posted some of the things at the very beginning. The Judges address, phone number, the names of some of the foster parents and supposedly the writings of an underage girl that he claims was being abused by her attorney.

And then there is the editing of the posters posts. If anyone knows Bill they might want to throw the net over him before he goes out into the street butt naked.

BillM and some of the posters are like a snowglobe. The thinking process is all over the globe and nothing ever on track. Scary.

I am curious if anyone practicing law in Utah knew of BillM prior to the raid. Just one of those things that keeps floating around in my little globe.

[walton]

Originally Posted by TexasBoots

BOD= Board of Directors, sorry for the confusion....I'm almost 45, so it's not like I couldn't use a new BOD, lol.

Me? "Hooked up" with BILLM...are you serious? Why on earth would I "hook up" with someone so visciously pro-polygamy like that? :::shivers:::

If he has ever posted on my blog, he must have done it anon, because I've never seen him have the nerve to show up there...unless maybe I've just forgotten it, which in his case I could definitely see wanting to....although Duane the troll is a frequent visitor.

Wow, I'm sorry about the missed message. The only thing I can think of is if maybe it was in June, when Flora and I were on the road so much? Even then I was pretty good about returning calls. But heck, 5,000 miles of Texas road in so short a time could fry anyone's mind.

If I don't answer, leave a message with a number and I will definitely get back to you this time around.

k.Dee

I don't mean hooked up as in couple. I was just being super careful not to get sucked into BillM's world or the world of having my IP addy show up on one of Warrens computer techs.

By the way, where are those Allred boys anyway?

It isn't like I have a lot of secrets and most of those I'd tell just to keep talking. ( Just kidding) but I don't want Willie or BillM knowing who I am or where I am. I use to get phone calls earlier on but I don't anymore.

Had to take my computer into a tech a few times, I don't have to do that anymore either. My internet provider and the local police helped me with that problem.

[walton]

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009...essop-for-now/
FLDS TRIAL: All eyes still on Jessop, for now
Sentencing set for Monday as 11 others await day in court

* TRISH CHOATE Standard-Times Washington Bureau


Does this mean that Trish Choate wrote this article? Does anyone understand the Standard Times Washington Bureau thing?

Hard to give credit to someone when I am not sure who the someone is.
Good article. Once again keen eye and great with the descriptions.



Things were different now. Anyone could see that.

He didn’t walk the same — not because of the new burden of a jury’s guilty verdict branding him a sex offender, but because of how the cuffs binding his hands behind him contorted his posture.

He gave a single nod and looked directly at the men, among them Willie Jessop, a well-known FLDS spokesman and leader.

Their presence was likely a show of support. Willie Jessop has said the defendant asked him to be there.

Then the moment passed, and two law-enforcement officers led Raymond Jessop to the nearby Schleicher County Jail.


With just those words and the picture that they have on the site showing Raymond being handcuffed and led away by LE is something that gives a person an inner strength. At least for me it does.


Lots more at the link.

[juliekan]

Originally Posted by walton

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009...essop-for-now/
FLDS TRIAL: All eyes still on Jessop, for now
Sentencing set for Monday as 11 others await day in court

* TRISH CHOATE Standard-Times Washington Bureau


Does this mean that Trish Choate wrote this article? Does anyone understand the Standard Times Washington Bureau thing?

Hard to give credit to someone when I am not sure who the someone is.
Good article. Once again keen eye and great with the descriptions.

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Trish Choate is a reporter in Washington who used to be a reporter in Texas. She has been in Texas more than a week on business and pleasure. She can be reached at 202-408-2709 or choatet@shns.com.
http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/...eet-8212-life/

she's had stories in the Texas papers since 6/09, at least

Trish Choate is the regional Washington correspondent for the Times Record News and its sister papers in Abilene and San Angelo. She worked at the Times Record News more than 10 years before setting out for D.C. with her two cats, a futon still in the box and tons of books. She misses Texas but is making the best of it in the nation's capital. She has a bachelor's degree and a master's degree from Midwestern State University and likes to hike wearing a 35-pound backpack for fun.

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/staff/trish-choate/

[TexasBoots]

Trish Choate had no interest in covering the AAAPs press releases or interviewing me about anything, along with the rest of the press pool who are now hanging out with Brooke Adams.

This was my favorite line :::dripping sarcasm here::: "He kept his tanned, attractive face nearly free of expression and didn’t twitch when fingers pointed at him over nine grueling days in the makeshift courtroom"

Then of course there was the going out of her way to find a legal expert to say that Bigamy charges wouldn't stand up to the test of constitutionality...and pointing out the jury and judge have the option of giving him community supervision instead of time. I guess even though it says she lives in Washington, her address must be a cave...because the SCOTUS has refused to hear a challenge to Reynolds Vs US as recently as 2007.

I think the letter to the editor I wrote is probably burning holes in his inbox, right now....from the flames coming out of my nose and ears as I wrote it...

Speaking of letter to the editor, Texas Monthly is publishing one I wrote, regarding the story they did on the YFZ children, in the December issue.

[walton]

I am looking forward to seeing your letter to Texas Monthly.

I still think the article was good. I don't understand how she could write that article if she lives in Washington.

I was thinking about the sentencing. Some members of the community are going to say he is hard working, has a family or family's to feed, blah blah blah. They will want a lighter sentence possibly probation.

I say he should be jailed.

Remember Dale Barlow? He was sentenced to 45 days. He called into his probation officer. From what I remember he was never on the sex registry. That was part of the problem in the beginning. He called his probation from a cell phone. How dumb is that?

Should it make a difference if Raymond Jessop is a hard worker? Heck no. He was a hard worker when he took that young girl as a bride. Him being a hard worker doesn't mean squat.

Is he sorry for what he did? If he is it might have happened AFTER he went to his jail cell. He stood before the court and said he was NOT GUILTY. His brain isn't working any better than Warren or his father before him.

Can sex offenders change inside those 4 walls? I'd say his chances might be better behind those 4 walls than those that kept the victim from seeing beyond her 4 walls. jmo

How much time is enough time? Never enough time. jmo

How will his wives and families support themselves? They will be just fine without ol babymaker in the picture.

I don't know what Caroline is going to share on that witness stand and I sure don't know what Dr. Beall is going to say.

But I am sure the courts will make the right decision.

[LLaFren]

I'm only on for a minute today...Helping DH wire my CJ-2A LOL

But I think in Tx he's gonna get the 20 years!

[walton]

You guys may laugh at me and that is ok. I am laughing at me.

I've been following this for what seems forever. I wanted to go to Texas but my job keeps me from living any kind of a normal life. I know Waa Waa

But I just was over at Brookes and she shared some video she had taken while in Eldorado.

It made me smile.

Saw the courthouse, Raymond Jessop, JoJo's, a cotton field, the town from one end to another and KathyM. If anyone reads Trents blog you would soon find out that Trent is serious about food. I believe JoJo's and the BBQ place has been mentioned at the very least a half dozen times.

I enjoyed the tour.

Instead of all that wind noise she should pipe in the song Cabdriver from the Mills Brothers. lol

[TexasBoots]

I think I told you before when you asked but no, I don't know anything about Patricia Keate. I googled her name and found bupkis, too.

What's up with her?

I'm way too close to this stuff to "enjoy" anything Brooke or Trish or Terri Langford or Michelle Roberts put out there.

Brooke is in the sack with the FLDS and the rest of them have become her boot lickin' toadies as far as I can tell....going on vacations with her and eating BBQ and fish tacos, while she tweets meaningless blither about "the plural life"...gag.

But if I didn't have some strong opinions I wouldn't ever have come back home to do what I do.

I have to say sitting with Pam Black while she explained that they dumped her new stillborn son into a trash bag with her afterbirth and were headed out to the back yard of that Hildale "clinic" to bury him, like a dog...well, yeah, I guess I just take things like that to heart too deeply for some people's tastes.

Don't fool yourself about the cemetery list. Mohave County has had it for years and they aren't EVER going to investigate any of those children's deaths. Just like they are going to wait another 50 years before they try to do anything about little girls up there being raped and molested.

Ask Kathy Jo Nicholson if she believes anyone up there is ever really going to investigate the weird death of her brother...who was about to start talking...

Ask Flora if anyone ever really tried to find her sister Ruby...

Ask Kathleen Mackert why Mohave County has "no record" of her ever filing an abuse complaint on her father...

I have a little song and it goes like this...

Corruption
Corruption
Corruption

People may be tired of hearing it, but I'm gonna keep on singing.

Hey, Mr. Jessop, WELCOME TO TEXAS---LET'S RODEO!

Drop and gimme twenty you pos...can't wait for you to meet your new 'spiritual cell mate', named Bubba.

[LLaFren]

What time do the hearings start today?