Body count rising in Anthony Sowell, Ohio Sex Offender

[Clara Harris]

Nice. The mayor visited the house & neighbor Friday, the same day it was revealed his addicted neice moved with Souless a month after he got out of prison. There was already a stench.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009...yor_frank.html

[Rucky*Ron]

Originally Posted by Clara Harris

Do you think maybe they could have gotten one when just last month the neighbors reported the naked woman falling off the roof?Cops show up to the house. Naked woman tells cops she is doing coke, drugs and drinking w/her boyfriend. She was on the roof, bent over to get her keys and fell off the roof. Souless told cops same thing. Not even a cursory ride down to the station.

WTH is wrong with them? It took LE until this past Wednesday to sek a warrant for the monster's DNA. Uh, didn't they have a DNA warrant when they went to the house to arrest him for latest the rape charge?

And why has there been no mention of the aunt that owned the house? No wonder the coroner has to beg victims' familes to come forward.


eta: I just read Q&A, thanks for link. Re: woman that owned house? Why would they believe Allen Sowell? Wonder if they have bothered to check his record? Why don't these "cookouts" alarm anyone besides us?

Had a search warrant been issued .... on complaints by the Mayor's own neice.... back in 2005 he would have been stopped.

1 Month after him getting out of prison she noticed the stench.
I wonder if she told anyone back then?

I know nothing will happen, because I'm sure Sowell just "slipped through the cracks".... but heads SHOULD roll for this!

MOO

[birdwatch]

Originally Posted by Rucky*Ron

Had a search warrant been issued .... on complaints by the Mayor's own neice.... back in 2005 he would have been stopped.

1 Month after him getting out of prison she noticed the stench.
I wonder if she told anyone back then?

I know nothing will happen, because I'm sure Sowell just "slipped through the cracks".... but heads SHOULD roll for this!

MOO

What good would it have done if she had told anyone? Many have told LE over time - but they missed it, and missed it and missed it. Another woman could probably have been killed in the month it took them to deal with recent women's attack and rape complaints. And then there was the report of a naked woman falling from the 2nd story. She wouldn't cooperate - but I gather the person(s?) who reported it tried to cooperate. Boy oh boy - must be some wooden-headed judges there if it takes more than we are hearing to get a search warrent. More than frustrating for neighbors: devastating for familes of the dead women.

No word yet if the woman who owns the house is dead or alive and in a nursing home?

[zsazsa001]

I know this is very far fetched but I am going to put it out there ..I just read they also found a skull..as I remember with the Scott Peterson trial ...that Laci Peterson skull was missing....what are the chances it could be Laci? Could you imagine what can a worms that would open ?..I can not remember the time lines of the case ...but I always felt Scott did not do it...but that is just my opinion..it would be nice for Laci's family to maybe get closure if this is the case..I hope the investigators look at this possibility...

[zsazsa001]

Originally Posted by zsazsa001

I know this is very far fetched but I am going to put it out there ..I just read they also found a skull..as I remember with the Scott Peterson trial ...that Laci Peterson skull was missing....what are the chances it could be Laci? Could you imagine what can a worms that would open ?..I can not remember the time lines of the case ...but I always felt Scott did not do it...but that is just my opinion..it would be nice for Laci's family to maybe get closure if this is the case..I hope the investigators look at this possibility...

Opps...I think he was in prison than..oh well it was a thought

[Clara Harris]

Originally Posted by birdwatch

What good would it have done if she had told anyone? Many have told LE over time - but they missed it, and missed it and missed it. Another woman could probably have been killed in the month it took them to deal with recent women's attack and rape complaints. And then there was the report of a naked woman falling from the 2nd story. She wouldn't cooperate - but I gather the person(s?) who reported it tried to cooperate. Boy oh boy - must be some wooden-headed judges there if it takes more than we are hearing to get a search warrent. More than frustrating for neighbors: devastating for familes of the dead women.

No word yet if the woman who owns the house is dead or alive and in a nursing home?

IIRCm Harvard professor Henry Loius Gates got arrested for "causing a public disturbance" for not cooperating with police responding to a 911 call about a break in.

I guess since the convicted rapist was cooperative LE let him carry on with his cocaine and booze party. If a naked woman falling off a roof can't get arrested, who can?

I have a very different take on the mayor's neice. I bet that was the one time city officials ever took any action at the horror house. She sounds like she is still addicted to me. "He treated me so good." Yeah, he let her live.

[Details]

Originally Posted by Clara Harris

Do you think maybe they could have gotten one when just last month the neighbors reported the naked woman falling off the roof?

Cops show up to the house. Naked woman tells cops she is doing coke, drugs and drinking w/her boyfriend. She was on the roof, bent over to get her keys and fell off the roof. Souless told cops same thing. Not even a cursory ride down to the station.

No allegations of violence from the woman. No hints she was there involuntarily. I doubt they could have gotten a search warrant. Drug possession is illegal, but they don't get you for drug use after it's done, and they don't search unless they think they've got a dealer - so, nope, nothing there that they would likely be able to get a search warrant for.

Not all that easy - has to be something where they have a crime to investigate - and something serious. And they'd have to have someone ready to press charges - this person obviously wasn't.

[Clara Harris]

Originally Posted by Details

No allegations of violence from the woman. No hints she was there involuntarily. I doubt they could have gotten a search warrant. Drug possession is illegal, but they don't get you for drug use after it's done, and they don't search unless they think they've got a dealer - so, nope, nothing there that they would likely be able to get a search warrant for.

Not all that easy - has to be something where they have a crime to investigate - and something serious. And they'd have to have someone ready to press charges - this person obviously wasn't.

I feel certain you know the difference between an arrest and a search warrant. I know about probable cause and search warrants. FWIW, the state doesn't have to have the cooperation of a rape or DV victim to brubg charges. It is the STATE vs defendannt. See Roman Polansk

My posts referred to arrest. These cops were lazy and/or indifferent. Heads should roll. But not sure if how that will happen as what will be left to investigate after LE finishes cleaning up the crime scene - and their files? JMT&OO

[Chica]

Originally Posted by Clara Harris

Nice. The mayor visited the house & neighbor Friday, the same day it was revealed his addicted neice moved with Souless a month after he got out of prison. There was already a stench.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009...yor_frank.html

That is not what the article says..

WOIO Channel 19 first reported that Lori Frazier, Jackson’s niece, moved in with Sowell in 2005 about a month after he was released from a 15-year prison sentence for attempted rape. She moved out last year.
"I want to know why, why would he do this," she told the station. "He took care of me. Good care of me."

He told her the stench in the house was his step mother downstairs. And then the next-door sausage shop.

She lived with him for 3 years and does not specify when she first noticed the stench.

[Jayne]

Originally Posted by Clara Harris

IIRCm Harvard professor Henry Loius Gates got arrested for "causing a public disturbance" for not cooperating with police responding to a 911 call about a break in.

I guess since the convicted rapist was cooperative LE let him carry on with his cocaine and booze party. If a naked woman falling off a roof can't get arrested, who can?

I have a very different take on the mayor's neice. I bet that was the one time city officials ever took any action at the horror house. She sounds like she is still addicted to me. "He treated me so good." Yeah, he let her live.

Yes..about Gates, as I recall as well.

Naked woman falling off roof..drugged up..living in the house. Drugs are not legal..doesn't matter if they were dealers. IMO, they both should have been arrested then and a SW for the house. Crazy. Gosh..a person can't sit on the sidewalk outside his home and drink, let alone take drugs, get on a roof naked and cause a 'public disturbance'.

jmo

J

[birdwatch]

Originally Posted by Details

No allegations of violence from the woman. No hints she was there involuntarily. I doubt they could have gotten a search warrant. Drug possession is illegal, but they don't get you for drug use after it's done, and they don't search unless they think they've got a dealer - so, nope, nothing there that they would likely be able to get a search warrant for.

Not all that easy - has to be something where they have a crime to investigate - and something serious. And they'd have to have someone ready to press charges - this person obviously wasn't.

I guess the neice wasn't the one who fell off the roof - or maybe she was. The women who reported attacks cooperated and the neighbors reported the naked woman off the roof and the stench. No rational or common sense follow up. No doubt they could have gotten a search warrant if there was any member of LE who saw the reports and gave a darn - considering the history of the tenant. No excuses, IMO.

[Rucky*Ron]

Originally Posted by Chica

That is not what the article says..

WOIO Channel 19 first reported that Lori Frazier, Jackson’s niece, moved in with Sowell in 2005 about a month after he was released from a 15-year prison sentence for attempted rape. She moved out last year.
"I want to know why, why would he do this," she told the station. "He took care of me. Good care of me."

He told her the stench in the house was his step mother downstairs. And then the next-door sausage shop.

She lived with him for 3 years and does not specify when she first noticed the stench.

Maybe it's just me, but my family never had a 'stepmother downstairs with a stench'

The neice lived there until last year...... Did this woman (stepmother) ever make an appearance or just simply smell up the place??


MOO

[Details]

Originally Posted by Clara Harris

I feel certain you know the difference between an arrest and a search warrant. I know about probable cause and search warrants. FWIW, the state doesn't have to have the cooperation of a rape or DV victim to brubg charges. It is the STATE vs defendannt. See Roman Polansk

My posts referred to arrest. These cops were lazy and/or indifferent. Heads should roll. But not sure if how that will happen as what will be left to investigate after LE finishes cleaning up the crime scene - and their files? JMT&OO

The victim DID cooperate for Roman Polanski - and he was convicted. Otherwise her current disinclination to cooperate would indeed be a major problem with the case. Prosecuting a rape case without the victim's cooperation - no, that's not done - not unless the victim is sufficiently underage as to be unable to consent. For anything else, the trial is a short one - the rapist says it was consensual, no one can deny it - done. No officer nor DA is so foolish as to try that one.

Your post says "gotten one" and as it is in response to my post that is entirely about search warrants, and not at all about arrest - I think I had a reasonable interpretation. There's even less reason for an arrest. No violence, no victim to press charges, they don't arrest you for drug use, only for drug possession.

[aubrey04]

Originally Posted by Details

No allegations of violence from the woman. No hints she was there involuntarily. I doubt they could have gotten a search warrant. Drug possession is illegal, but they don't get you for drug use after it's done, and they don't search unless they think they've got a dealer - so, nope, nothing there that they would likely be able to get a search warrant for.

Not all that easy - has to be something where they have a crime to investigate - and something serious. And they'd have to have someone ready to press charges - this person obviously wasn't.

ITA. The more I read about this case - the more I realize that police really didn't have probable cause to search the residence. Again, who could imagine what horrors were inside the house? According to that FAQ blog I posted, out of the 4 victims identified so far - only one was reported missing. So no one was even looking for the other women.. (unless they were doing their own independent investigation ALA Casey Anthony).. regardless, police were not notified that these women were missing.

This psychos crimes are unfortunate, but I don't think anyone should be getting blamed besides the one who committed the murders.

Hindsight is 20/20..

[PerneciaJane]

Originally Posted by aubrey04

ITA. The more I read about this case - the more I realize that police really didn't have probable cause to search the residence. Again, who could imagine what horrors were inside the house? According to that FAQ blog I posted, out of the 4 victims identified so far - only one was reported missing. So no one was even looking for the other women.. (unless they were doing their own independent investigation ALA Casey Anthony).. regardless, police were not notified that these women were missing.

This psychos crimes are unfortunate, but I don't think anyone should be getting blamed besides the one who committed the murders.

Hindsight is 20/20..

Also unfortunately, Soulless does not fit the " profile " of a serial killer. How many times have we been told "all" serial killers are white ? You think maybe now that this theory is falling apart perhaps more serial killers can be found if LE will just look outside the "box" or profile so to speak. MOO

[Details]

Originally Posted by PerneciaJane

Also unfortunately, Soulless does not fit the " profile " of a serial killer. How many times have we been told "all" serial killers are white ? You think maybe now that this theory is falling apart perhaps more serial killers can be found if LE will just look outside the "box" or profile so to speak. MOO

Not all - but most. But he fits the usual bit about most serial killers - at least, the most famous ones - he didn't leave a clue sufficient to let the cops know what he was. They were monitoring a former single rapist - not someone with a sign of being a serial. Ignoring race, they didn't have anything to work with on behavior either. With the woman falling from the roof, they appeared to have a guy luring girls with drugs for sex - not illegal unless the exchange is stated outright, or unless the police can catch him with drugs before they've gone into a vein.

[Abbie]

Originally Posted by Justice4all

About three years ago my husband and i went on vacation and came home about 1am and as soon as we pulled in our drive way we smelled death. Our next door neighbor had died 5 days earlier and none of the other neighbors smelled her because she died in her garage which was on our side.

it was HORRIBLE i tell ya. I almost fainted because as soon as we smelled it we knew what it was. My voice was shaking calling 911.

I hope i never smell that smell again.


RIP Miss Elizabeth

Yeah, dead animals smell bad but smell NOTHING like decomposing human. I am a nurse, its a smell you recognize even very shortly after death. And if you have never smelled it before, when you do smell it, you know exactly what it is. NOTHING else like it.

[birdwatch]

Originally Posted by Abbie

Yeah, dead animals smell bad but smell NOTHING like decomposing human. I am a nurse, its a smell you recognize even very shortly after death. And if you have never smelled it before, when you do smell it, you know exactly what it is. NOTHING else like it.

See that is what I would think - but apparently few people know the difference.
Maybe that needs to be part of police training from now on. Don't know how many of them would know the difference at this point - just like all the people who thought it was an odor coming from the sausage factory.

[watson]

Originally Posted by birdwatch

See that is what I would think - but apparently few people know the difference.
Maybe that needs to be part of police training from now on. Don't know how many of them would know the difference at this point - just like all the people who thought it was an odor coming from the sausage factory.

It makes me wonder how secure the sausage factory was - especially at night. What a perfect solution - as far as disposal goes!

[aubrey04]

Originally Posted by watson

It makes me wonder how secure the sausage factory was - especially at night. What a perfect solution - as far as disposal goes!

Oh yuck.. nasty thought...

[Marcia3]

From MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33856598...me_and_courts/

[PerneciaJane]

Originally Posted by Chica

I wonder if LE ever even went there to check on him? Sounds to me like no one ever took what people were saying about the smell seriously. Seems to me like some were not doing their jobs and women were being murdered because of it.

The same thing happened with John Wayne Gacy and the smell from his home.