11/2 thru ........

[JoAnn]

Originally Posted by clueless

Too late to edit: I should have stated another attorney. Sorry.

I believe I recall reading shortly after the arrests...that if the death penalty was on the table, then financial assistence or help for the defense is eligible thru the state Capital Litigation Trust Fund.... but I think it said if the death penalty was not in play..then the funds could not be used....

At one time one of the attorneys had mentioned that it could cost as much as $500,000 for the defense. I don't know if they were referring to one of the Harris boys defense or both of them. Since they are being tried separately, I am guessing that it could be for each one.

[JoAnn]

Originally Posted by cynical

Do we know they called somebody from the bar... I guess I missed that.

Well you know it is getting harder to sort out fact from rumor....but I had understood that both Jason and Chris were in a bar (not in Beason) and wanted to make a phone call, this was the night of the murders...the bartender said the bar phone did not have long distance on it...and offered them the use of his cell phone (which they used). But is it fact? Right at this moment I can't say for sure..for I can't recall where the info came from. Maybe that wasn't established as fact????

[JoAnn]

Originally Posted by Deannalynn

Hi JoAnn.
This is an interesting theory. We may end up revisiting it at a later time once we get more information. What I question is this tire Iron they would have handy in the event they were in Justina's room about to do something with her. That has me a little confused. If they just grabbed a tire iron then what are the chances of one just lying around in the living room or for that matter, in Justina's room. Tire Irons are always left in the trunk in case of a flat tire, of course. It would also be the quickest weapon to grab if you were on your way into a house to do harm.

I don't think they just 'grabbed" a tire iron that was laying around, I think it came straight out of one of their vehicles.....for they were after the laptop and a encounter with Justina...the tire iron was their protection in case Rick discovered them or confronted them..IMO..just theory of course. I would have to reread the indictment but I believe it said they were armed with the tire iron when they entered the residence...and I took that to mean that they brought it with them..but we should never assume anything..for this is a most complex case.

[IM4Truth]

Originally Posted by JoAnn

Well you know it is getting harder to sort out fact from rumor....but I had understood that both Jason and Chris were in a bar (not in Beason) and wanted to make a phone call, this was the night of the murders...the bartender said the bar phone did not have long distance on it...and offered them the use of his cell phone (which they used). But is it fact? Right at this moment I can't say for sure..for I can't recall where the info came from. Maybe that wasn't established as fact????

It was in the comments of the Pantagraph, the Lawndale Tap which I think has another name now. Lawndale is northwest of Beason on the way to Armington.

[Amy]

Originally Posted by JoAnn

Well you know it is getting harder to sort out fact from rumor....but I had understood that both Jason and Chris were in a bar (not in Beason) and wanted to make a phone call, this was the night of the murders...the bartender said the bar phone did not have long distance on it...and offered them the use of his cell phone (which they used). But is it fact? Right at this moment I can't say for sure..for I can't recall where the info came from. Maybe that wasn't established as fact????

I'm like you, I know I read this information somewhere, but don't know if it was a news quote from someone "in the know"-as a local, or if it was information posted by a local poster. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a quote from LE, tho.

[clueless]

Looks like were going to get an update with some info:

http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x...family-murders

[Katherine]

http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x...family-murders

Anyone live near Lincoln? The article is only available in the print edition. A friend read it today and says it provides much more information than the other articles have; she is going to pdf it to me tomorrow but I wish we had it now!! (lack of patience )

[Katherine]

Originally Posted by clueless

Looks like were going to get an update with some info:

http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x...family-murders

Sorry clueless...we must have been typing at the same time.

[clueless]

Originally Posted by Katherine

Sorry clueless...we must have been typing at the same time.

Quite OK Katherine. TIA for the pdf, I'll be anxious to see that.

[IM4Truth]

Judge declines to second-guess decision in Beason documents case


http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local...cc4c002e0.html

[JoAnn]

Originally Posted by IM4Truth

Judge declines to second-guess decision in Beason documents case


http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local...cc4c002e0.html

I hope the info gets posted here...anxious to hear or read it..wonder why they don't make it available on line.

[TennB]

Originally Posted by Katherine

http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x...family-murders

Anyone live near Lincoln? The article is only available in the print edition. A friend read it today and says it provides much more information than the other articles have; she is going to pdf it to me tomorrow but I wish we had it now!! (lack of patience )

My niece just drove in from Lincoln this evening. She brought her copy of the Lincoln Courier. What do you want to know?

[JoAnn]

Originally Posted by TennB

My niece just drove in from Lincoln this evening. She brought her copy of the Lincoln Courier. What do you want to know?

I think everyone would like to know what was in the article...anything more than what we might already know..or anything to explain how the investigation proceeded or what led them to the suspects..basically ANYTHING new! Thank you!

[TennB]

Originally Posted by JoAnn

I think everyone would like to know what was in the article...anything more than what we might already know..or anything to explain how the investigation proceeded or what led them to the suspects..basically ANYTHING new! Thank you!

This article covers most of the front page and half of page 2. For the most part it only talks about the cooperation of LE with the various agencies involved and, as has been the norm in this case, gives NO specifics. The only thing that I can see that might be of interest is the reason the sheriff gave for the statement about the possible injuries that might have been done to the perpetrators during the struggle. He said that, due to the nature of the crimes, the murderers would have been in close proximity to the victims, which COULD have led to injuries of those responsible, as in the Schneider/Mike Drabing case.

IT looks like more of the same to me. Maybe someone else will get more from it than I did.

[clueless]

Of course we don't know if its true or just rumors, but some interesting comments on the Panatagraph site regarding behavior in the courtroom.

[aproudmom]

I must say it is so nice to come and get caught up and not see the thread so heated. a huge thank you to all of you.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Originally Posted by clueless

Of course we don't know if its true or just rumors, but some interesting comments on the Panatagraph site regarding behavior in the courtroom.

I couldn't find what you're referring to. Paraphrase?

[corbi77]

Originally Posted by AmndaRcknwth

I couldn't find what you're referring to. Paraphrase?

If you go to the Pantagraph, you can read comments made by "countrycritter" as to the court room behavior, and thoughts under the heading of "Beason slayings have attracted a big crowd of law enforcement officers, lawyers"

I get the impression, countrycritter is related from reading a lot of their posts.

[IlliniFan]

Those comments in the Pantagraph, get quoted and requoted to the point that I don't know who the heck is responsible for what information. Plus, some of them can't seem to post without going "postal" lol, so to speak. ughhh

[clueless]

See countrycritter's post. Fifth post down. As I said, we don't know this to be fact, she is either family or close to family.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local...cc4c03286.html

[IlliniFan]

Originally Posted by clueless

See countrycritter's post. Fifth post down. As I said, we don't know this to be fact, she is either family or close to family.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local...cc4c03286.html

Thanks, that was right in front of me. I have read so many posts on the various Pantagraph articles that I sort of get put off a little. I don't know what to make of the postings, whether they are fact or fiction...I know the Pantagraph wiped several posts from their site concerning this case. I'm glad they did because they were really in poor taste.

I sure hope Tabitha is doing well, where ever she is. She has been through a nightmare.

[IM4Truth]

Originally Posted by TennB

This article covers most of the front page and half of page 2. For the most part it only talks about the cooperation of LE with the various agencies involved and, as has been the norm in this case, gives NO specifics. The only thing that I can see that might be of interest is the reason the sheriff gave for the statement about the possible injuries that might have been done to the perpetrators during the struggle. He said that, due to the nature of the crimes, the murderers would have been in close proximity to the victims, which COULD have led to injuries of those responsible, as in the Schneider/Mike Drabing case.

IT looks like more of the same to me. Maybe someone else will get more from it than I did.

Just to update the Schneider murders by Mike Drabing, Drabing cut himself with his own knife during the scuffle. The wound was so deep he had to be seen in ER and that is where he was arrested.

[IM4Truth]

I apologize if this was previously posted but I'm not keeping up lateley as much as I was earlier, I just now read this from the Lincoln Courier.

http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x...-past-35-years

[IM4Truth]

This is very interesting. Read the very last post in this link:

http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x...-remain-secret

I know this poster and she knows her way around the Logan County court house. Her father was the State Attorney in 1976 and she was a deputy circuit clerk at that time. 1976 was the year of the Schneider murders as well as the Fry murders. (perps were Michael Drabing & Russell Smrekar). The poster has written a screen play based on the Fry murders. (IM me if you want the name of the book). Oddly enough in this last post of this link, it sounds as if she is referring to the current Chief of Police in Lincoln. She knows the ins and outs of obtaining information from the court house because she obtained a lot for her books.

[clueless]

Originally Posted by IM4Truth

Just to update the Schneider murders by Mike Drabing, Drabing cut himself with his own knife during the scuffle. The wound was so deep he had to be seen in ER and that is where he was arrested.

Katheryn was to pdf this...but I don't think were going to see it.

Do you know or think this happened in the Gee case?
Did one of the brothers have a severe injury? Since you are from Beason originally, have you talked to anyone with regards to the article in the paper that was not on line? Don't mean to bombard you with question---but I am aren't I.I can see the reason for the LE to keep quite, but this is a little ridiculus when it comes to the paper whose suppose to be providing info. Sort of smells. They only wanted to sell papers, not keep the people informed. Hope the Pantagraph or SJR pick up on that article. It amazes me that not that many people have commented on the warrent/transparency issue. The PG ran an article and there were no comments at all the last time I looked. Of course that is a different county. The comment your friend wrote in the LC was excellent and very informative. I"m surprised and sorry I missed it the first time around. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

[clueless]

Originally Posted by IlliniFan

Thanks, that was right in front of me. I have read so many posts on the various Pantagraph articles that I sort of get put off a little. I don't know what to make of the postings, whether they are fact or fiction...I know the Pantagraph wiped several posts from their site concerning this case. I'm glad they did because they were really in poor taste.

I sure hope Tabitha is doing well, where ever she is. She has been through a nightmare.

I hope she is also, what a babydoll. I think the one that it will affect the most mentally will be the 9yr old, Alyssa. I think that's her name. Not sure. I know sometimes in discussing this case we can get away from the personal side of it. I know it hit me again after the indictments came out and I was trying to piece things together for my theory. You try to put yourself in each ones place mentally and emotionally.

It is hard to follow that comment section, and yes there are alot of posts in poor taste, some just pure vulgarity. But I like to sort thru and see if there might be "anything", even rumors, for LE even listens to those also, and you never know which ones may have a little truth in them. Keep your ears open and one eye open wide and sort thru them as the facts present themselves. Underground culturism always raises it head in things like this. Sometimes its the other side of things that can give you a bigger picture.
JMO

[Amy]

Originally Posted by IM4Truth

I apologize if this was previously posted but I'm not keeping up lateley as much as I was earlier, I just now read this from the Lincoln Courier.

http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/x...-past-35-years

Hmmm....some disagreement about the Chief of Police, @ least. But good to know there isn't a rivalry between the departments. In our town, it's a little hard to have a rivalry, as the Sheriff's dept and the police dept share the same quarters, the same dispatchers, etc.

[IM4Truth]

Originally Posted by clueless

Katheryn was to pdf this...but I don't think were going to see it.

Do you know or think this happened in the Gee case?
Did one of the brothers have a severe injury? Since you are from Beason originally, have you talked to anyone with regards to the article in the paper that was not on line? Don't mean to bombard you with question---but I am aren't I.I can see the reason for the LE to keep quite, but this is a little ridiculus when it comes to the paper whose suppose to be providing info. Sort of smells. They only wanted to sell papers, not keep the people informed. Hope the Pantagraph or SJR pick up on that article. It amazes me that not that many people have commented on the warrent/transparency issue. The PG ran an article and there were no comments at all the last time I looked. Of course that is a different county. The comment your friend wrote in the LC was excellent and very informative. I"m surprised and sorry I missed it the first time around. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

I can't help but wonder if there is some reference to knives, stabbing, slitting throats, that sort of thing. That was the Schneider case. I did hear rumors to that effect but can only say they were just hearsay. However, the reference to the Schneider murders is a red flag to me. The Sheriff didn't mention the Fry murders and they were shot, so hmmmm. No I haven't talked to anyone lately up that way. Just too busy in my own life. I try to read the Pantagraph and Courier once in a while as well as the SJ-R and Decatur Herald. Can't keep up with all of it so I rely on you all here! Yes, the comment my friend wrote is very informative and I trust her and her judgment. I do have respect for LE, however, I can't help but wonder why the warrants are all sealed? Seems to go back many years, perhaps as far back as 1976 where I don't think we have all of the answers.

[Katherine]

Originally Posted by clueless

Katheryn was to pdf this...but I don't think were going to see it.

Do you know or think this happened in the Gee case?
Did one of the brothers have a severe injury? Since you are from Beason originally, have you talked to anyone with regards to the article in the paper that was not on line? Don't mean to bombard you with question---but I am aren't I.I can see the reason for the LE to keep quite, but this is a little ridiculus when it comes to the paper whose suppose to be providing info. Sort of smells. They only wanted to sell papers, not keep the people informed. Hope the Pantagraph or SJR pick up on that article. It amazes me that not that many people have commented on the warrent/transparency issue. The PG ran an article and there were no comments at all the last time I looked. Of course that is a different county. The comment your friend wrote in the LC was excellent and very informative. I"m surprised and sorry I missed it the first time around. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

So sorry. Meant to post earlier. My friend left the paper at work and was home Friday with a sick kid. She returns on Tuesday so will have it then. I really was hoping we could get in on line by now, but no such luck.

[JoAnn]

Originally Posted by IM4Truth

I can't help but wonder if there is some reference to knives, stabbing, slitting throats, that sort of thing. That was the Schneider case. I did hear rumors to that effect but can only say they were just hearsay. However, the reference to the Schneider murders is a red flag to me. The Sheriff didn't mention the Fry murders and they were shot, so hmmmm. No I haven't talked to anyone lately up that way. Just too busy in my own life. I try to read the Pantagraph and Courier once in a while as well as the SJ-R and Decatur Herald. Can't keep up with all of it so I rely on you all here! Yes, the comment my friend wrote is very informative and I trust her and her judgment. I do have respect for LE, however, I can't help but wonder why the warrants are all sealed? Seems to go back many years, perhaps as far back as 1976 where I don't think we have all of the answers.

I do think it is a pretty good thought that there was more than one weapon..otherwise what was the other Harris boy doing while one of them was bludgeoning the victims to death.. even though Le has not said or indicated it..I suspect more than one weapon and the second weapon was something that was acquired from the household itself.

It is hard to imagine all that horror inflicted on the Gee family with only one weapon.

I wouldn't think Jason or Chris shared the tire iron weapon, but maybe more that they may have grabbed something from the house after they were discovered ...or it is certainly possible that Rick or Ruth could have tried to defend themselves and their family with a weapon and it was taken away from them by one or both of the Harris boys...given them a second weapon...

I too wondered about the reference to the old case and though I am not familiar with it...I do think there was significance in the comment.

[TennB]

Originally Posted by JoAnn

I do think it is a pretty good thought that there was more than one weapon..otherwise what was the other Harris boy doing while one of them was bludgeoning the victims to death.. even though Le has not said or indicated it..I suspect more than one weapon and the second weapon was something that was acquired from the household itself.

It is hard to imagine all that horror inflicted on the Gee family with only one weapon.

I wouldn't think Jason or Chris shared the tire iron weapon, but maybe more that they may have grabbed something from the house after they were discovered ...or it is certainly possible that Rick or Ruth could have tried to defend themselves and their family with a weapon and it was taken away from them by one or both of the Harris boys...given them a second weapon...

I too wondered about the reference to the old case and though I am not familiar with it...I do think there was significance in the comment.

I think too much is being read into my post about the Courier article, so I'm going to try to type part of it here.

(Quote from Lincoln Courier) A variety of factors in the case led police to think the killer or killers may have been injured.

First and foremost among those reasons was the nature of the crime--and the fact that five individuals were killed in a manner that required close contact with the murderers.

"Just the violence involved with the five people," said Erlinbush. "When you looked at that, we thought there would be some injuries by the perpetrator or perpetrators. We didn't know how many people were in the house."

"It was a violent scene, without a doubt. Whenever you have those types of scenes...you tend to think in terms of that. We didn't have five people who were shot from a distance. It had to be up close and personal for blunt force trauma. We discussed that at length and thought maybe the person was injured. We felt we needed to let the public know that."

Previous experiences with similar cases also led police to believe there was a strong possibility that the suspect or suspects had sustained injuries.

"Part of that rationale goes back to 1976 and the Schneider murders," said Erlinbush, who was involved in that investigation. "Mike Drabing, during the stabbings, came down with a knife and cut a three-inch gash in his leg. And we got a call from the hospital"

"Those are the types of things you consider when you do a case like this." (End quote)

I hope this clears up some of the confusion over my previous post, and I hope I haven't broken any rules.

[IM4Truth]

I don't think too much was being read into your comment. We just heard about it and want to read it ourselves. We thirst for the truth on here and any little thing helps. I don't know why the Courier didn't put it online other than just a ruse to sell more papers.

My BIL was with the ISP in 1976 and worked with the current Chief of Police who was with ISP back then, and he did respond to the Schneider home the morning after those murders. While he was part of the ISP then my BIL was not part of the following investigation. Three people were killed in that instance, the father, mother, and a 17 year old daughter. Two teens escaped. Although Michael Drabing was charged and incarcerated, there has always been speculation that others were involved in that murder.

Even news about the local LE, as I understand this article is mostly about the Sheriff sitting down with a reporter to discuss the events of the day is interesting to us and "inquiring minds want to know"! (even if it is nothing more than a recap of the events).

Thanks for the updates though!!

[JoAnn]

Havent stayed up on things ..was on my way to Florida but have arrived and settled in now.

It doesn't look like anything new has developed or been released...probably losing posters since there is nothing to be gleamed from anything and I suppose it will be this way for a long long time unless something new were to be released.

[Smitty11]

What a sad case.
I don't understand how no search warrent was ever allowed to be seen by the public. sounds like a a judical cover up to me.
I hope they both get the death penalty and that it is carried out.
To bad they can't be beaten to death like they did to their victims.

[IM4Truth]

Originally Posted by JoAnn

Havent stayed up on things ..was on my way to Florida but have arrived and settled in now.

It doesn't look like anything new has developed or been released...probably losing posters since there is nothing to be gleamed from anything and I suppose it will be this way for a long long time unless something new were to be released.

Posters just go on to lurking until there is more news. Or they move on to other boards that they follow. Welcome to FL you got here just in time for some lousy weather! But it will get better!

[IM4Truth]

Originally Posted by Smitty11

What a sad case.
I don't understand how no search warrent was ever allowed to be seen by the public. sounds like a a judical cover up to me.
I hope they both get the death penalty and that it is carried out.
To bad they can't be beaten to death like they did to their victims.

I don't like the idea that the warrants are made available to the public prior to trial. Florida is known for that. However, it that is the law then Logan County should be held accountable. But it seems like I keep reading the Lisa Madigan "suggested" they be available to the public as soon as they are made a record in the court. I just feel like we don't need to know all of that information (although I agree we want to!) until after the trial. Information like that can very well taint jurors.

I do tend to believe in the old "eye for an eye". You reap what you sow, etc. People like that cannot be rehabilitated. Until our justice system in this country gets stronger the crime will worsen. Some people prefer prison to the outside world. I don't think it is the choice of these 2 young men as they don't appear to be former hardened criminals. Can't help but wonder if they are sitting in their cells and realizing what they did and what the consequences are......and still holding out hope that they will get off on some technicality.

[JoAnn]

Originally Posted by IM4Truth

Posters just go on to lurking until there is more news. Or they move on to other boards that they follow. Welcome to FL you got here just in time for some lousy weather! But it will get better!

We didnt get much of the storm..just a few sprinkles...but today is overcast and windy..

The trip down gave me lots of time to ponder on the case...but no new startling thoughts..only the vague thought that whatever was on that computer was on it prior to the murders that night..since the indictment said they WENT there to steal the computer.

So the reason they wanted that computer must have had to do with something put on that computer, received or sent earlier that day or a previous day...and something they didnt want anyone to see, know about or have access to...don't you think?

So what could it be? so many things...but nothing, that could begin to justify what happend on that night or early morning.

[Katherine]

If anyone can tell me how to attach a pdf file here, I can post the article from the Lincoln Courier. My computer skills are not so great.

[Marcia3]

Originally Posted by Scienter

The government reserves the right to kill criminals, yet it ended lesser forms of corporal punishment (derision, abuse, pillory, bastinado, sleep deprivation, starvation, stocks, whipping, beating, disfigurement, mutilation, maiming, etc) long ago as being too "barbaric".

If the government kills those humans that it refuses to tolerate, then what did the perps do differently to the Gee's?

Oh, I don't know. Murdered them in cold blood? Took their lives without so much as a trial and conviction and sentence?

I fail to see how the DP relates or compares to murder. I fail to see it because it does not relate or compare to murder.

JMO

[JoAnn]

Originally Posted by Scienter

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If the government kills those humans that it refuses to tolerate, then what did the perps do differently to the Gee's?

You could easily open a can of worms with that topic!