Tuesday Feb.9

[Elle]

Three hundred and sixty four days.

Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings:rose:

[DramaQueen]

Thank you for the new thread, Elle, may our prayers for Haleigh be answered today.

[DramaQueen]

Does anyone know what happened to the link for the second phone call from Ron? I listened to the first one before I left yesterday (and the profanity was profoundly disturbing, I can't remember the last time I heard anyone talk that way) but now the links to the second call don't work, I have tried every one I can find. Does anyone know what happened?

[Texas48]

Does anyone know what happened to the link for the second phone call from Ron? I listened to the first one before I left yesterday (and the profanity was profoundly disturbing, I can't remember the last time I heard anyone talk that way) but now the links to the second call don't work, I have tried every one I can find. Does anyone know what happened?
Its not just you DQ cause the ones I'm trying..that I had saved..are showing errors on page..not found..Will check a few more I had..BRB

TY Elle for the new thead

[just4justice]

Does anyone know what happened to the link for the second phone call from Ron? I listened to the first one before I left yesterday (and the profanity was profoundly disturbing, I can't remember the last time I heard anyone talk that way) but now the links to the second call don't work, I have tried every one I can find. Does anyone know what happened?
I use Firefox and I had to switch to IE to listen.


ETA The links are still at Sky973. Sometimes it takes 2 or 3 clicks to get them to open.

[DramaQueen]

Its not just you DQ cause the ones I'm trying..that I had saved..are showing errors on page..not found..Will check a few more I had..BRB

Thanks, Texas, and good morning

[DramaQueen]

I use Firefox and I had to switch to IE to listen.


ETA The links are still at Sky973. Sometimes it takes 2 or 3 clicks to get them to open.

Boy you aren't kidding, 10 times is what it took I am listening to the second now, thank you

[DramaQueen]

wow
that was grandma in the second call, right?
As soon as she brought up attending the vigil, he said he had to go take a shower, then proceeded to talk for another several seconds anyway.

[Texas48]

wow
that was grandma in the second call, right?
As soon as she brought up attending the vigil, he said he had to go take a shower, then proceeded to talk for another several seconds anyway.
This one opened right away for me DQ..

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6313921.php

[DramaQueen]

Thanks for the new thread, Elle.

All this time and still no answers.

no none at all, just more questions, will it ever end?

[Pat]

Bringing over panman's link from last night:

http://radionewz.net/?p=14523&cpage=1#comment-2829

After reading this, I went to a couple of sites I've read very infrequently (not for months) and was really shocked at what has been going on between posters and forums. I am flabbergasted, but it explains a lot I didn't understand about this case.

And before I get labeled a "Ron lover"...my defense of Ron has only gone so far as the claims he was a participant in HaLeigh's disappearance and was guilty of the child abuse Crystal and Marie claimed (backed up on Nancy Grace by KP).

The claims about drug abuse/jail, etc...I stayed out of those discussions.

Just looking at their lifestyles and reading the court papers should have been enough to warn people against emotionally investing in any of them too much because none was trustworthy enough to warrant it.

This case, and bloggers and forums and posters, have sunk to a level I have no interest in even reading about, so I'll just wait until I see something in the "Breaking News" forum regarding any arrests concerning HaLeigh's disappearance. The rest of the mess around these people? Every single one of them have done enough to warrant jail time, even if they haven't been caught...and more have done jail time than not!

Poor HaLeigh and the poor little children who are growing up in this awful environment...they all need prayers.

Hope to see most of you on another case. If I recognize anyone. There have been so many wardrobe adjustments I have no idea who I'm posting with anymore. Sad.

My opinion.

[Motomom]

no none at all, just more questions, will it ever end?

I worry that LE missed the boat on this one. IDK.. have no deals been offered yet for information leading to Haleigh? How is Misty still not talking?? Does she really not know??

[just4justice]

Thanks for the new thread, Elle.

All this time and still no answers.

Stay tuned. 2/18 - 2/20. The answers are coming.:biggrin:

[gotmilk?]

I worry that LE missed the boat on this one. IDK.. have no deals been offered yet for information leading to Haleigh? How is Misty still not talking?? Does she really not know??


I think she knows and isn't talking because what she says will result in a prison sentence of life for her.

[datacop]

Stay tuned. 2/18 - 2/20. The answers are coming.:biggrin:


You have my attention.

[Motomom]

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Hope to see most of you on another case. If I recognize anyone. There have been so many wardrobe adjustments I have no idea who I'm posting with anymore. Sad.

My opinion.

Pat, I hate to see you leave. There's a handful of people who like discussion on this case.. as you can tell I am one of them.. no wardrobe changes here.

I'm to the point where I'm thinking ..heck I don't even know what I'm thinking. I am not sure I believe Misty could harm Haleigh intentionally. She seems to care for her nieces and nephews a good deal. Something has been overlooked IMO..even after a yr I still feel that way.. How can a child just vanish?? I know they do, we see it time and again.. I'm not sure I'd be able to live life with no answers.

[just4justice]

Bringing over panman's link from last night:

http://radionewz.net/?p=14523&cpage=1#comment-2829

After reading this, I went to a couple of sites I've read very infrequently (not for months) and was really shocked at what has been going on between posters and forums. I am flabbergasted, but it explains a lot I didn't understand about this case.
My opinion.

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I don't know about anyone else, but I will not get involved in another missing child case as I have this one. Too gut wrenching and too time consuming for me.

ETA I will watch the trials though. LOL.

[AmazinGrace]

Stay tuned. 2/18 - 2/20. The answers are coming.:biggrin:Why do you say that?

[Melster]

i have no idea what any of this stuff is about, to be honest....i never kept up with KP other than i thought her helping Crystal was a good thing....i must have been MIA during the rest of it, & i guess that's a good thing:)

doesn't seem to pertain to what ever happened to Haleigh, imo

[Motomom]

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I don't know about anyone else, but I will not get involved in another missing child case as I have this one. Too gut wrenching and too time consuming for me.

You say that.. many have said it before and yet we always end up back again.. Very very time consuming. All of the cases that I have followed online..had closure.. This will be the first one that doesn't have it if they don't find her. I mean, I know we have others that still remain missing but I drifted away from those. The CA case was the first case that I actually read documents, listened to interviews.. have done the same in this case.

I think we'll eventually get answers though.. one day Haleigh will be found IMO

[Melster]

Pat, I hate to see you leave. There's a handful of people who like discussion on this case.. as you can tell I am one of them.. no wardrobe changes here.

I'm to the point where I'm thinking ..heck I don't even know what I'm thinking. I am not sure I believe Misty could harm Haleigh intentionally. She seems to care for her nieces and nephews a good deal. Something has been overlooked IMO..even after a yr I still feel that way.. How can a child just vanish?? I know they do, we see it time and again.. I'm not sure I'd be able to live life with no answers.

that's how i feel Moto...my gut tells me Misty did not harm Haleigh, but she knows what happened....

i don't know how anyone could live with no answers...seems it would be better to see your child 6 ft under, than to wonder if they're being tortured, or thrown in some dumpster, never to be found...

[Motomom]

i have no idea what any of this stuff is about, to be honest....i never kept up with KP other than i thought her helping Crystal was a good thing....i must have been MIA during the rest of it, & i guess that's a good thing:)

doesn't seem to pertain to what ever happened to Haleigh, imo

Most things posted here don't pertain to what happened to haleigh IMO.. yet people want to discuss it.. just like I suppose, people want to discuss this.

I, like you, didn't follow much of what was going on with KP. I use my good common sense and judgement sometimes...sometimes lol

I read the link posted and am really just plain old lost.. in the end it doesn't matter. People have chosen to make a mockery of a missing child case IMO.. Most of those that have surrounded her life have had questionable behavior after the fact IMO. BUT you know what, it keeps her picture out there, keeps her on people's minds for a time. Most families cannot get this kind of exposure for their missing babies.

[Melster]

You have my attention.

mine too...i can see where you quoted 'it'.....

[Motomom]

that's how i feel Moto...my gut tells me Misty did not harm Haleigh, but she knows what happened....

i don't know how anyone could live with no answers...seems it would be better to see your child 6 ft under, than to wonder if they're being tortured, or thrown in some dumpster, never to be found...

I would always believe in my head that they were alive I think.

I'm not sure how she could live if she knows what happened? How can her guilt not eat her alive?? There are too many people around this case.. for it not to be solved IMO.. They'll find her, they have to. She needs justice!

[AmazinGrace]

FINALLY got the link to work on the first call from Ronald to the woman in Texas (?) It's really sad that someone is so devoid of anything meaningful in their lives that they have to try to hook up with a guy they don't know but have followed in the media. Ronald's life has been a train wreck and will likely get worse and this poor soul is telling him that she's getting a $5000 tax return as a hook to keep him interested. It worked too! LOL, his voice really perked up when he heard that.

After reading this forum and others, I've no doubt that Ronald will be getting all the letters and $$ he needs to keep him happily incarcerated for a very long time. :blushing:

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6313921.php

[AmazinGrace]

i have no idea what any of this stuff is about, to be honest....i never kept up with KP other than i thought her helping Crystal was a good thing....i must have been MIA during the rest of it, & i guess that's a good thing:)

doesn't seem to pertain to what ever happened to Haleigh, imoI think KP became a hero to some when she got fired and started trashing Crystal. Before that she was someone to be despised because she dared to speak badly about Ronald.

I don't know all the details either but from the little I do know, I don't think either one of us missed much.

[Melster]

Most things posted here don't pertain to what happened to haleigh IMO.. yet people want to discuss it.. just like I suppose, people want to discuss this.

I, like you, didn't follow much of what was going on with KP. I use my good common sense and judgement sometimes...sometimes lol

I read the link posted and am really just plain old lost.. in the end it doesn't matter. People have chosen to make a mockery of a missing child case IMO.. Most of those that have surrounded her life have had questionable behavior after the fact IMO. BUT you know what, it keeps her picture out there, keeps her on people's minds for a time. Most families cannot get this kind of exposure for their missing babies.

LOL, we're in the same boat then, cause i couldn't make heads nor tails of it, honestly!...i thought it had something to do with Crystal failing a drug test, but apparently it goes much deeper than that...that's where i got lost on it.....:blink:
...i have too much to try to keep straight, with all the calls being released lately..

[Melster]

I think KP became a hero to some when she got fired and started trashing Crystal. Before that she was someone to be despised because she dared to speak badly about Ronald.

I don't know all the details either but from the little I do know, I don't think either one of us missed much.

ah......

& yes, sounds like it's a good thing we don't know the details..

[gotmilk?]

I think KP became a hero to some when she got fired and started trashing Crystal. Before that she was someone to be despised because she dared to speak badly about Ronald.

I don't know all the details either but from the little I do know, I don't think either one of us missed much.



She didn't become a hero. She was applauded for finally telling the truth. There is a difference.

[Saint Viva]

FINALLY got the link to work on the first call from Ronald to the woman in Texas (?) It's really sad that someone is so devoid of anything meaningful in their lives that they have to try to hook up with a guy they don't know but have followed in the media. Ronald's life has been a train wreck and will likely get worse and this poor soul is telling him that she's getting a $5000 tax return as a hook to keep him interested. It worked too! LOL, his voice really perked up when he heard that.

After reading this forum and others, I've no doubt that Ronald will be getting all the letters and $$ he needs to keep him happily incarcerated for a very long time. :blushing:

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6313921.php

Oh, I think its great, and wait till Misty finds out, lol~!

[Melster]

FINALLY got the link to work on the first call from Ronald to the woman in Texas (?) It's really sad that someone is so devoid of anything meaningful in their lives that they have to try to hook up with a guy they don't know but have followed in the media. Ronald's life has been a train wreck and will likely get worse and this poor soul is telling him that she's getting a $5000 tax return as a hook to keep him interested. It worked too! LOL, his voice really perked up when he heard that.

After reading this forum and others, I've no doubt that Ronald will be getting all the letters and $$ he needs to keep him happily incarcerated for a very long time. :blushing:

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6313921.php

very weird phone call, Grace, i agree.......what makes a person do something like that, i'll never know..& apparently she has children of her own!....gosh, we may end up hearing he marries this woman in prison, before it's all over:huh:

[gotmilk?]

Oh, I think its great, and wait till Misty finds out, lol~!


As bad as Misty wants out of jail she'd have already spilled if she had anything on Ron. IMO she isn't talking because what she has to say implicates HER.

[Melster]

Oh, I think its great, and wait till Misty finds out, lol~!

& she will find out...maybe this is one reason this particular tape was released, at this time?

[AmndaRcknwth]

FINALLY got the link to work on the first call from Ronald to the woman in Texas (?) It's really sad that someone is so devoid of anything meaningful in their lives that they have to try to hook up with a guy they don't know but have followed in the media. Ronald's life has been a train wreck and will likely get worse and this poor soul is telling him that she's getting a $5000 tax return as a hook to keep him interested. It worked too! LOL, his voice really perked up when he heard that.

After reading this forum and others, I've no doubt that Ronald will be getting all the letters and $$ he needs to keep him happily incarcerated for a very long time. :blushing:

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6313921.php

I agree. He perked up a lot. Commissary mama.

I finally got the Annette Sykes phone call to open this morning. The bad language between the same-age-group-people doesn't shock me at all, but the way he speaks to his Grandmother bothers me.

When she tried to get a word in about Haleigh's vigil he was absolutely uninterested.
But he talked on and on and on about his tooth and Lortab (narcotic) and Tramadol (non-narcotic).

This man has wasted his life.
I was not a fan of his (nor am I gleeful), but I was willing to wait and see about him. Well, now I see.



Also, I saved the phone call, uploading it now to the case album.

[Saint Viva]

As bad as Misty wants out of jail she'd have already spilled if she had anything on Ron. IMO she isn't talking because what she has to say implicates HER.

Yeah, I dont believe that at all- In fact, I found this very interesting-

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6288494.php

The 8:06 mark-

Misty says "Ronald is in Flagler and Jason Galiger went and recorded him talking on a video and brought the video to me and Ron was telling me, saying some stuff to me" then she repeats herself and said Ronald was "telling me some stuff". Then Timmy asks what was he saying and Misty says " I dont wanna say on the phone".


Wonder what Ron said to her?

[HouseOfClark]

Oh, I think its great, and wait till Misty finds out, lol~!

Doesn't Misty think that she just needs $5000 to get out of jail?

[AmazinGrace]

Oh, I think its great, and wait till Misty finds out, lol~!That might be the catalyst that gets the ball rolling, but if not, something will.

I'm not sure what happened that night but I'm certain that the two of them are lying.

MO

[gotmilk?]

Yeah, I dont believe that at all- In fact, I found this very interesting-

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6288494.php

The 8:06 mark-

Misty says "Ronald is in Flagler and Jason Galiger went and recorded him talking on a video and brought the video to me and Ron was telling me, saying some stuff to me" then she repeats herself and said Ronald was "telling me some stuff". Then Timmy asks what was he saying and Misty says " I dont wanna say on the phone".


Wonder what Ron said to her?


Sorry but you lost me at Misty says. She ain't exactly honest.

[Dunlurken]

You say that.. many have said it before and yet we always end up back again.. Very very time consuming. All of the cases that I have followed online..had closure.. This will be the first one that doesn't have it if they don't find her. I mean, I know we have others that still remain missing but I drifted away from those. The CA case was the first case that I actually read documents, listened to interviews.. have done the same in this case.

I think we'll eventually get answers though.. one day Haleigh will be found IMO

Morning all and Pat.... don't you dare leave!

Moto... did you follow the Trenton Duckett case? Or Natalee Holloway? No closure on those either. There's a bunch out there, including that baby Gabriel who's mom did something. That's why we keep on trucking because maybe we can get closure on this one. JMO.

[Melster]

As bad as Misty wants out of jail she'd have already spilled if she had anything on Ron. IMO she isn't talking because what she has to say implicates HER.

of course it will implicate her....that's a given, IMO...i think she's been told over & over that if she keeps her mouth shut, all will be OK....as much as some think she's 'street smart', i'm not really sure she is, after listening to these phone calls...she has a tattoo "Ronald Cummings, Sr" on her lower back...IMO, i think she truly thought she was in love w/him...maybe still is a little.....he was her 'way out', her tough, cool, older BF, & she thought she was invincible (sp?) with him...she needs to simmer a few more weeks in jail...it's getting to her, slowly but surely, imo

eta...when Timmy asks her if she knows what happened to Haleigh, she sounds almost 'programmed'....just a simple "no"...i thought that was odd...i'd been screaming NO!!! i SWEAR, i don't know!!!!

[Elle]

Yeah, I dont believe that at all- In fact, I found this very interesting-

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6288494.php

The 8:06 mark-

Misty says "Ronald is in Flagler and Jason Galiger went and recorded him talking on a video and brought the video to me and Ron was telling me, saying some stuff to me" then she repeats herself and said Ronald was "telling me some stuff". Then Timmy asks what was he saying and Misty says " I dont wanna say on the phone".


Wonder what Ron said to her?

Who is Jason Galiger? How did he record Ron talking on a video while he was in jail and how was he able to show Misty?

[TobyWong]

Good Morning Everyone!
Today is sad for me. Knowing that a year ago today, Haleigh was in class for the last time. She was drawing or playing having fun w/ her friends at school. After the weekend her father and misty had, I can only pray her grandma kept her & Jr. and these kids were'nt even aware of the fighting, though i don't doubt they were privy to most of it.imo.

I can only hope that the tape in the minds of ron & misty play over & over & over. Shoulda, coulda, woulda done it differently.imo

Again I find myself shaking my head saying to myself "there is no way a human can just drop off the face of the earth."

[AmazinGrace]

I agree. He perked up a lot. Commissary mama.

I finally got the Annette Sykes phone call to open this morning. The bad language between the same-age-group-people doesn't shock me at all, but the way he speaks to his Grandmother bothers me.

When she tried to get a word in about Haleigh's vigil he was absolutely uninterested.
But he talked on and on and on about his tooth and Lortab (narcotic) and Tramadol (non-narcotic).

This man has wasted his life.
I was not a fan of his (nor am I gleeful), but I was willing to wait and see about him. Well, now I see.



Also, I saved the phone call, uploading it now to the case album.His language bothers me no matter who he is talking to. I didn't think mo of him could sink much lower but he proved me wrong. And yes, he does cut her off when the conversation is about anything but him. I noticed that in the first two calls that were released.

Actually, I noticed that long before his arrest on the trafficking charges. Imo, both he and Misty have shown little concern for anyone but themselves since day one.

[Motomom]

Morning all and Pat.... don't you dare leave!

Moto... did you follow the Trenton Duckett case? Or Natalee Holloway? No closure on those either. There's a bunch out there, including that baby Gabriel who's mom did something. That's why we keep on trucking because maybe we can get closure on this one. JMO.

I know.. that's what I said.. But I didn't follow those closely..not like these cases.. following online, reading all information released etc etc etc. Those I followed via national news.. and maybe some news updates online.

[Saint Viva]

Who is Jason Galiger? How did he record Ron talking on a video while he was in jail and how was he able to show Misty?

I dont know, interesting though-

Did anyone catch on the jail call when Ron was talking to that gal, he was talking about his mail, and he said he had gotten a letter from a Lawyer who wanted to help him or something- so I wonder if Shoemaker isnt on the job anymore, but wasn't he just on Nancy a few days ago? I forget-.

jmo

[Melster]

Yeah, I dont believe that at all- In fact, I found this very interesting-

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6288494.php

The 8:06 mark-

Misty says "Ronald is in Flagler and Jason Galiger went and recorded him talking on a video and brought the video to me and Ron was telling me, saying some stuff to me" then she repeats herself and said Ronald was "telling me some stuff". Then Timmy asks what was he saying and Misty says " I dont wanna say on the phone".


Wonder what Ron said to her?

THANK YOU!!!....i asked about this last night..i couldn't understand the conversation on the tape, but i knew i heard something about someone telling Misty something Ronald said....i see now, it was a video...that was driving me nuts last night.....very interesting!

eta....i have to assume LE allowed her to listen/watch the video then...heck LE themselves had to have listened to it to...wow

[datacop]

I dont know, interesting though-

Did anyone catch on the jail call when Ron was talking to that gal, he was talking about his mail, and he said he had gotten a letter from a Lawyer who wanted to help him or something- so I wonder if Shoemaker isnt on the job anymore, but wasn't he just on Nancy a few days ago? I forget-.

jmo


It seems like Shoemaker has been on NG since the arrests, but I sure don't remember anything he said.

[Melster]

Doesn't Misty think that she just needs $5000 to get out of jail?

yeah, almost funny.....none of them can figure out what 10% of their bond is:blink:

[gotmilk?]

IMO, Timmy already knows what happened to Haleigh.

It was always strange to me that the only person that we actually know Misty called before the 911 call, is Timmy.

It was strange that when they were draining the pond, Timmy kept trying to call and talk with Misty and Ron wouldn't let him. Remember? Ron called police to report harassing phone calls from Timmy.
It always been a thought of mine that Timmy was calling to let Misty know, it was ok, they were draining the wrong pond.

Just my thoughts.

And it was Timmy that had the van that night that ended up with a large unexplained scratch on it.

[AmazinGrace]

Yeah, I dont believe that at all- In fact, I found this very interesting-

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6288494.php

The 8:06 mark-

Misty says "Ronald is in Flagler and Jason Galiger went and recorded him talking on a video and brought the video to me and Ron was telling me, saying some stuff to me" then she repeats herself and said Ronald was "telling me some stuff". Then Timmy asks what was he saying and Misty says " I dont wanna say on the phone".


Wonder what Ron said to her?It was so hard to catch everything that Misty said in her calls but this really got my attention. I'm glad someone did a transcript because I thought I heard it but wasn't sure.

I wonder who this Jason Galiger is, why they allowed him to tape Ronald and bring it to her and most important, what did Ronald say! Telling her not to talk was pretty stupid on his part and imo, it proves that his excuse for keeping Misty "close" so he could find out about Haleigh was complete BS.

All of them just keep digging themselves in deeper and deeper.

[HouseOfClark]

IMO, Timmy already knows what happened to Haleigh.

It was always strange to me that the only person that we actually know Misty called before the 911 call, is Timmy.

It was strange that when they were draining the pond, Timmy kept trying to call and talk with Misty and Ron wouldn't let him. Remember? Ron called police to report harassing phone calls from Timmy.
It's always been a thought of mine that Timmy was calling to let Misty know, it was ok, they were draining the wrong pond.

Just my thoughts.

Didn't Misty have her own phone that he could have called?

(Or was she out of minutes? :laugh:)

[Saint Viva]

IMO, Timmy already knows what happened to Haleigh.

It was always strange to me that the only person that we actually know Misty called before the 911 call, is Timmy.

It was strange that when they were draining the pond, Timmy kept trying to call and talk with Misty and Ron wouldn't let him. Remember? Ron called police to report harassing phone calls from Timmy.
It's always been a thought of mine that Timmy was calling to let Misty know, it was ok, they were draining the wrong pond.

Just my thoughts.

I am positive no one in LE ever said she called Timmy before calling 911-

[AmazinGrace]

IMO, Timmy already knows what happened to Haleigh.

It was always strange to me that the only person that we actually know Misty called before the 911 call, is Timmy.

It was strange that when they were draining the pond, Timmy kept trying to call and talk with Misty and Ron wouldn't let him. Remember? Ron called police to report harassing phone calls from Timmy.
It's always been a thought of mine that Timmy was calling to let Misty know, it was ok, they were draining the wrong pond.

Just my thoughts.Timmy told Tommy that he has to tell LE everything he knows about Haleigh in at least one of the calls.

I don't think Timmy knows anything but that's jmo.

[HouseOfClark]

I am positive no one in LE ever said she called Timmy before calling 911-

Lisa Croslin said that Misty had called her that night. But she was also staying at 116 Tyler at the time, and not with Timmy.

Misty has said that if she ever got in trouble, Timmy would be the one she called.

Out with her phone records!

LOL

[HouseOfClark]

Well, being that he is Mr. Puff and Stuff at times, he probably said, "You better (curse word) tell them right now, where my daughter is, you (curse word, curse word). You are in the (curse word) safest place in the (curse word) world, cause I can't kill your (curse word, curse word) while you are sitting in (curse word) jail.

Do you really think that someone brought Misty a video of Ron?
:shrug:

Who knows. She might be so delusional that she thinks the Dana Treen interview was all a big coded message to her.

JMO

[AmazinGrace]

Well, being that he is Mr. Puff and Stuff at times, he probably said, "You better (curse word) tell them right now, where my daughter is, you (curse word, curse word). You are in the (curse word) safest place in the (curse word) world, cause I can't kill your (curse word, curse word) while you are sitting in (curse word) jail.

Do you really think that someone brought Misty a video of Ron?:shrug:Read what HOC just posted.

[Justice4all]

Good Morning Everyone. I listen to the new calls Ron had with the mystery woman and AS. Is it just me or does Ron seem like he's not detoxing at all? I know he was selling drugs but was he using the stuff?

When I listen to Tommy and Misty it's clear they are both detoxing but Ron seems par for the course.

When Ron was talking to AS and they started talking about the vigil you could tell some had been cut out. I wonder why LE doesn't want us hearing all of these "thugs" talking about Haleigh.


MOO

[HouseOfClark]

Ahhh, thanks HOC, that makes sense. I stopped reading other forums except Radio's blog so I missed that. So maybe LE is trying to pit them against each other so one of them will get mad and talk? In this case, Misty.

IMO, LE tried right off to pit them against each other but their response was to get married and cut off communication with LE.

I mean, isn't it a little late for Ron to be sending messages to Misty to get her to talk?

[AmazinGrace]

Why would Timmy think Tommy knew anything about Haleigh?

Makes one wonder.

My opinion.So you think both Timmy and Tommy know something? If Tommy does know something that would implicate Timmy why would Timmy tell him to talk? That makes no sense to me.

[?noanswer]

Who is Jason Galiger? How did he record Ron talking on a video while he was in jail and how was he able to show Misty?


BBM

That is what I am wondering. IIRC, in the CA case, her atty. had to get permission to bring his laptop to his visits with CA. If someone brought a video they would have to have a means to play it. ????


JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Why would Timmy think Tommy knew anything about Haleigh?

Makes one wonder.

My opinion.

Why wouldn't he? Doesn't he read the papers? We all think he does.

:tonguewag:

[?noanswer]

His language bothers me no matter who he is talking to. I didn't think mo of him could sink much lower but he proved me wrong. And yes, he does cut her off when the conversation is about anything but him. I noticed that in the first two calls that were released.

Actually, I noticed that long before his arrest on the trafficking charges. Imo, both he and Misty have shown little concern for anyone but themselves since day one.

One has to give him credit for wanting to take his showers! JMO

[AmazinGrace]

IMO, LE tried right off to pit them against each other but their response was to get married and cut off communication with LE.

I mean, isn't it a little late for Ron to be sending messages to Misty to get her to talk? Lol, yeah, no kidding.

[psbperu]

This one opened right away for me DQ..

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6313921.php



Texas: Thanx for the link to the phone call.

Most revealing for what Ron didn't say or ask. Cannot believe the lack of concern for his son. It is all about him.

[?noanswer]

From what I've read at other forums, the consensus is that it's Jason Joniquir (not sure of the spelling) who is an FDLE officer.

At first I thought it was a reporter, but the only reporter that's been able to tape or record Ron was Dana Treen.

Either way, if it was about the drugs or Haleigh what could he have possibly said to her on tape?

JMO


OK, I can understand if it was LE letting her see something. They are trying to get her mad enuf to talk!

JMO

[Saint Viva]

OK, I can understand if it was LE letting her see something. They are trying to get her mad enuf to talk!

JMO

Now the LE or jail staff would have to view that before she saw that right?

[Justice4all]

Yeah, I dont believe that at all- In fact, I found this very interesting-

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6288494.php

The 8:06 mark-

Misty says "Ronald is in Flagler and Jason Galiger went and recorded him talking on a video and brought the video to me and Ron was telling me, saying some stuff to me" then she repeats herself and said Ronald was "telling me some stuff". Then Timmy asks what was he saying and Misty says " I dont wanna say on the phone".


Wonder what Ron said to her?

Do you believe Misty?

[?noanswer]

Yes, I do think that. I also think Lindsey knows, perhaps not everything, but enough.

It's odd to me that Timmy would even ask Tommy to tell what he knew about Haleigh. Why would Timmy think Tommy knew anything? Didn't Tommy say he went to the home and no one was there? Why would Timmy think there was anything more to it, than that?

Maybe?

My thoughts.

The Croslins could have come up with a story that they all agreed to spill as a last resort.

I don't think LE will beleive them if they don't have proof of the tale they are telling.

JMO

[Lynn Gweeny]

Who is Jason Galiger? How did he record Ron talking on a video while he was in jail and how was he able to show Misty?


Could it be Misty is referring to FDLE agent Jason Jolicoeur. JMO

ETA ~ Oops, just saw your post HOC #58.

[AmazinGrace]

Yes, I do think that. I also think Lindsey knows, perhaps not everything, but enough.

It's odd to me that Timmy would even ask Tommy to tell what he knew about Haleigh. Why would Timmy think Tommy knew anything? Didn't Tommy say he went to the home and no one was there? Why would Timmy think there was anything more to it, than that?

Maybe?

My thoughts.Maybe I misunderstood your post. I thought you suspected Timmy was involved in what happened to Haleigh. If that's true why would he tell Tommy to talk if it implicates him?

[?noanswer]

Could it be Misty is referring to FDLE agent Jason Jolicoeur. JMO

Someone up thead thought that might be to whom MC was referring. That does make sense. LE can use whatever method they want to get someone to talk. I am wondering if it was from an LE interview with RC or the interview RC did with DT.

JMO

[Justice4all]

Could it be Misty is referring to FDLE agent Jason Jolicoeur. JMO

That's what I thought. I kind of have a gut feeling Ron's working with LE to make Misty talk. MOO

[?noanswer]

MC has her felony arraignment for the charge in SJC set for March 8. Under atty. it says N/A. http://doris.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/courtcaseweb/CaseDetail.aspx?txt=cummings%2c+misty&ps=50&m=name&s=4&caseid=192668 Wonder if Fields is still representing her or if she will ask for a PD. Also wonder how fast this will come to trial. If she is tried and convicted in SJC, she could go to prison before the Putnam Co. cases are tried.

JMO

[whitney]

Good Morning Everyone. I listen to the new calls Ron had with the mystery woman and AS. Is it just me or does Ron seem like he's not detoxing at all? I know he was selling drugs but was he using the stuff?

When I listen to Tommy and Misty it's clear they are both detoxing but Ron seems par for the course.

When Ron was talking to AS and they started talking about the vigil you could tell some had been cut out. I wonder why LE doesn't want us hearing all of these "thugs" talking about Haleigh.


MOO

Him wanting Lortab for his toothache tells me he was. Ronald seems resigned to being in prison unlike the others. He seems to be establishing himself in there.JMO

[Saint Viva]

Him wanting Lortab for his toothache tells me he was. Ronald seems resigned to being in prison unlike the others. He seems to be establishing himself in there.JMO

Good point, exactly.

[Melster]

Timmy told Tommy that he has to tell LE everything he knows about Haleigh in at least one of the calls.

I don't think Timmy knows anything but that's jmo.

no, i don't think Timmy knows anything either, but it's obvious he was trying to find out if his siblings do..Timmy's in the clear, IMO

[AmazinGrace]

Him wanting Lortab for his toothache tells me he was. Ronald seems resigned to being in prison unlike the others. He seems to be establishing himself in there.JMOHe seemed like quite the expert in what works and what doesn't. Tramadol- not good. Loritab- good.

[Justice4all]

Him wanting Lortab for his toothache tells me he was. Ronald seems resigned to being in prison unlike the others. He seems to be establishing himself in there.JMO

You might be right. Oh yea they all better start resigning to the fact they are going to prison. I hope they all stay in prison a really long time.

I wonder when Donna's calls are going to be released.

[Justice4all]

MC has her felony arraignment for the charge in SJC set for March 8. Under atty. it says N/A. http://doris.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/courtcaseweb/CaseDetail.aspx?txt=cummings%2c+misty&ps=50&m=name&s=4&caseid=192668 Wonder if Fields is still representing her or if she will ask for a PD. Also wonder how fast this will come to trial. If she is tried and convicted in SJC, she could go to prison before the Putnam Co. cases are tried.

JMO

Art Harris says she has a lawyer and he said no to Padilla bailing her out. I wonder why that lawyers names not on the docs. I'm very confused.

[Melster]

Someone up thead thought that might be to whom MC was referring. That does make sense. LE can use whatever method they want to get someone to talk. I am wondering if it was from an LE interview with RC or the interview RC did with DT.

JMO

ok, i think you're on to something....it's very possible they showed her a video of Ronald being questioned, & he said some not-so-nice things about Misty, in a round-about way???

eta...LE knows what they're doing, imo

[whitney]

If he want's Loritab maybe he could call Crystal and she could hook him up :thumbsup:
Well hopefully she has left that in the past now that she has her son back.JMO

[Justice4all]

It's probably the way I am trying to explain it, and not you.

Yes, I think Timmy knows.
Was he involved? I don't know.

I think Lindsey knows.
Was she involved, I highly doubt it.

Yet, both have pled with Tommy to tell the truth about the night Haliegh went missing.

If they believed Tommy had nothing to do with Haleigh, and they know nothing at all, why would they plead with Tommy to tell the truth?
Why wouldn't they believe he is already telling the truth and knows nothing?
What truth is it that they want Tommy to tell?


.
Does that make any sense?

ITA why would everyone beg Tommy to tell the truth about Haleigh if he doesn't know anything.

[DramaQueen]

Art Harris says she has a lawyer and he said no to Padilla bailing her out. I wonder why that lawyers names not on the docs. I'm very confused.


Its the same lawyer she had before, beats me right now what his name is, but its the same one

[Justice4all]

Well hopefully she has left that in the past now that she has her son back.JMO

I hope so too but I seriously doubt it. moo

[Melster]

Didn't Misty have her own phone that he could have called?

(Or was she out of minutes? :laugh:)

lord, ain't that the truth...all the talk of phone minutes...make sure you put minutes on the phone, wish we had 3 way calling, Tina has my phone that can be used for a month, we have to save minutes for Lindsey, yada yada yada.....geez

[whitney]

I hope so too but I seriously doubt it. moo

A totally different problem and all I want is Haleigh found...can't control what she does or doesn't do. JMO

[datacop]

lord, ain't that the truth...all the talk of phone minutes...make sure you put minutes on the phone, wish we had 3 way calling, Tina has my phone that can be used for a month, we have to save minutes for Lindsey, yada yada yada.....geez

If they'd quit worrying about minutes for the phone, they'd have minutes to talk.

[Melster]

He seemed like quite the expert in what works and what doesn't. Tramadol- not good. Loritab- good.

crazy stuff!!...& he's in jail for TRAFFICKING Lortab, fgs:rolleyes:

[panman]

Well hopefully she has left that in the past now that she has her son back.JMO

Wasn't the failed drug test after she got Jr. back?

[Justice4all]

Its the same lawyer she had before, beats me right now what his name is, but its the same one

IIRC it's Robert Fields

[just4justice]

Why do you say that?

There would be no point in my posting again what I have posted in the past. I have been bashed eight ways to Sunday each time so like PCSO I will play my cards close to the vest for now. BUT.......stay tuned. We will know a lot more very soon.

:biggrin: I just went to the wine cellar and brought up a bottle....just in case I have to eat crow. I'll need something to wash it down. :tonguewag: If I don't have to partake of the crow I'll drink it to celebrate this long overdue revelation.

Check out the url's in Lynn Gweeny's siggie line. Quite revealing!!!

[Melster]

If they'd quit worrying about minutes for the phone, they'd have minutes to talk.

:biggrin:.....i know it's not really funny, but this is the craziest bunch of folks, i've ever seen/heard!

[AmazinGrace]

It's probably the way I am trying to explain it, and not you.

Yes, I think Timmy knows.
Was he involved? I don't know.

I think Lindsey knows.
Was she involved, I highly doubt it.

Yet, both have pled with Tommy to tell the truth about the night Haliegh went missing.

If they believed Tommy had nothing to do with Haleigh, and they know nothing at all, why would they plead with Tommy to tell the truth?
Why wouldn't they believe he is already telling the truth and knows nothing?
What truth is it that they want Tommy to tell?


.
Does that make any sense? Yep. Got it now, thanks.

I can't answer that but I have my doubts about Tommy knowing much because he's only facing 3 yrs for the same offense that others are facing 25 on. That leads me to believe that LE doesn't think he knows much more than he's already told them, but I could be completely wrong.

[Saint Viva]

Yep. Got it now, thanks.

I can't answer that but I have my doubts about Tommy knowing much because he's only facing 3 yrs for the same offense that others are facing 25 on. That leads me to believe that LE doesn't think he knows much more than he's already told them, but I could be completely wrong.

And hes asking for a lie detector test. If LE never gave him one, I dont think they suspect him. jmo

[Justice4all]

And hes asking for a lie detector test. If LE never gave him one, I dont think they suspect him. jmo

I thought he took one last summer when he was in jail.

[fearless]

In my own opinion, I think Timmy knows more than Tommy and that is why he keeps telling Tommy to say what he knows about HaLeigh. I also think if something happened at the hands of Misty, she would have called Timmy before she would have called Tommy. And, why did Timmy just pick up and move shortly after this happened. I know they have questioned Timmy but I still think he knows a lot more than Tommy.

[whitney]

Wasn't the failed drug test after she got Jr. back?
Do you have a link to be sure. jMO

[whitney]

In my own opinion, I think Timmy knows more than Tommy and that is why he keeps telling Tommy to say what he knows about HaLeigh. I also think if something happened at the hands of Misty, she would have called Timmy before she would have called Tommy. And, why did Timmy just pick up and move shortly after this happened. I know they have questioned Timmy but I still think he knows a lot more than Tommy.

Timmy isn't the only one that left quickly, so did Cousin Joe and wasn't he staying with Timmy. JMO

[Melster]

Do you have a link to be sure. jMO

yes, Crystal failed a drug test after she got custody of Jr..she's going to outpatient rehab, for the time being, & Jr is still in the home with his family....the Sheffield home

here's the link that Lynn Gweeny posted on the "links only" thread....

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6301020.php

[DramaQueen]

IIRC it's Robert Fields


yes thanks that's his name

[whitney]

yes, Crystal failed a drug test after she got custody of Jr..she's going to outpatient rehab, for the time being, & Jr is still in the home with his family....the Sheffield home
was it after or was it when they were in court for temp custody, still haven't seen a link to verify. JMO

[Saint Viva]

yes, Crystal failed a drug test after she got custody of Jr..she's going to outpatient rehab, for the time being, & Jr is still in the home with his family....the Sheffield home

I wonder, if the drug test was given the day she got Junior back, and the results did not come back till later, its not like she was prepared for Ronald to get caught trafficking drugs and get custody- if thats the case, which I dont know, then I am relived whatever was in her system was not bad enough to take him out of the home. I wish her nothing but the best, it has to be very hard for her, especially today and tomorrow.

jmo

[whitney]

I wonder, if the drug test was given the day she got Junior back, and the results did not come back till later, its not like she was prepared for Ronald to get caught trafficking drugs and get custody- if thats the case, which I dont know, then I am relived whatever was in her system was not bad enough to take him out of the home. I wish her nothing but the best, it has to be very hard for her, especially today and tomorrow.

jmo

That is also what I thought...JMO

[DramaQueen]

There would be no point in my posting again what I have posted in the past. I have been bashed eight ways to Sunday each time so like PCSO I will play my cards close to the vest for now. BUT.......stay tuned. We will know a lot more very soon.

:biggrin: I just went to the wine cellar and brought up a bottle....just in case I have to eat crow. I'll need something to wash it down. :tonguewag: If I don't have to partake of the crow I'll drink it to celebrate this long overdue revelation.

Check out the url's in Lynn Gweeny's siggie line. Quite revealing!!!

If the bottle is a decent chardonnay scootch over, I'll sit and wait with you.

How LE or anyone else is able to sort through the circus this missing child case has become is beyond me, but they appear to be doing it, all these months of waiting I am very hopeful we will see/hear results soon.

[fearless]

Again, my opinion, what about the sheffields (Johnny and Connie) who said Ron stold the kids from him. They also left town for a couple of months and then returned. Strange.

[RedCherries]

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[whitney]

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Isn't that from TJ Hart...the one that flattered himself about Crystal coming on to him. Why did he go there I wonder. JMO

[Melster]

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i'm sorry, but i don't understand your post :confused:

[Justice4all]

yes, Crystal failed a drug test after she got custody of Jr..she's going to outpatient rehab, for the time being, & Jr is still in the home with his family....the Sheffield home

here's the link that Lynn Gweeny posted on the "links only" thread....

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6301020.php

That article doesn't say outpatient rehab. Marie just says she's seeing therapies. but I really don't believe much of what Marie has to say. The next day after TJH contacted DCF he wrote this.

News Talk 97.3 The Sky has confirmed the story that HaLeigh's mother Crystal Sheffield recently failed a drug test . That was a finding at a family status hearing last Monday. Crystal has been ordered to rehab. Her son, HaLeigh's little brother Ronald Cummings Jr., remains with Crystal's family in Baker County. He has been there since shortly after Ronald Cummings Sr. was arrested on drug charges.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6304577.php


If Crystal's in outpatient rehab why is Jr now staying with Crystal's family and not Crystal?

[Melster]

Isn't that from TJ Hart...the one that flattered himself about Crystal coming on to him. Why did he go there I wonder. JMO

yes it is, but apparently it's ok to post since Lynn Gweeny posted it on the "links only" thread....apparently a lot of blogs are ok to post, including the first one this morning...i have no idea which blogs are ok & which aren't, at this point:shrug:

[Justice4all]

i'm sorry, but i don't understand your post :confused:

Yeah that's one big hot mess.. I don't understand any of it.

[Shameonme]

Isn't that from TJ Hart...the one that flattered himself about Crystal coming on to him. Why did he go there I wonder. JMO

How on gods green earth are you able to read Red Cherries post.

One year ago Today little Haleigh went missing I will keep this little girl in my thoughts and light a candel for this sweet sweet child.


:rose::rose::rose:

[DramaQueen]

That article doesn't say outpatient rehab. Marie just says she's seeing therapies. but I really don't believe much of what Marie has to say. The next day after TJH contacted DCF he wrote this.



http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6304577.php


If Crystal's in outpatient rehab why is Jr now staying with Crystal's family and not Crystal?

it doesn't specify outpatient rehab, it only says rehab. Sounds like maybe she had to spend a few days there so they could evaluate the situation, check her health status, and recommend a course of treatment?

[Justice4all]

yes it is, but apparently it's ok to post since Lynn Gweeny posted it on the "links only" thread....apparently a lot of blogs are ok to post, including the first one this morning...i have no idea which blogs are ok & which aren't, at this point:shrug:

TJ Harts not a blogger. He's journalist and he's on JVM and NG all the time.

Art Harris doesn't work as a journalist anymore. He's just a blogger and he's on JVM and NG all the time and people post from his blog all the time.

[Elle]

Someone up thead thought that might be to whom MC was referring. That does make sense. LE can use whatever method they want to get someone to talk. I am wondering if it was from an LE interview with RC or the interview RC did with DT.

JMO

It is curious. Misty was saying Ron was saying stuff to her, not about her. It sounds more to me like they had him record a message to her on purpose. I tend to think he would be aware and not fooled into thinking he woud be able to send a 'private message' so I would be more inclined to believe he did it at the request of LE.

That is my opinion, for now, based on ahem Misty's words, and subject to change, probably will change:smile:

[datacop]

yes it is, but apparently it's ok to post since Lynn Gweeny posted it on the "links only" thread....apparently a lot of blogs are ok to post, including the first one this morning...i have no idea which blogs are ok & which aren't, at this point:shrug:

Even if it's okay to link, I think we still have the right to interpret what is said, and whether it's biased.

ETA I just got error when trying to link to TJH's article.

[Justice4all]

it doesn't specify outpatient rehab, it only says rehab. Sounds like maybe she had to spend a few days there so they could evaluate the situation, check her health status, and recommend a course of treatment?

I have no idea either way. I hope we find out one day. I just wanted to clarify no where does it say outpatient.

[Justice4all]

Even if it's okay to link, I think we still have the right to interpret what is said, and whether it's biased.

Do you feel like Art Harris and TJ Hart are biased?

[Dunlurken]

Its the same lawyer she had before, beats me right now what his name is, but its the same oneRobert Fields. (Sorry, playing catch-up.)

[Melster]

I wonder, if the drug test was given the day she got Junior back, and the results did not come back till later, its not like she was prepared for Ronald to get caught trafficking drugs and get custody- if thats the case, which I dont know, then I am relived whatever was in her system was not bad enough to take him out of the home. I wish her nothing but the best, it has to be very hard for her, especially today and tomorrow.

jmo

i'm relieved also, Viva...i also wish her nothing but the best:rose:

[Justice4all]

Isn't that from TJ Hart...the one that flattered himself about Crystal coming on to him. Why did he go there I wonder. JMO

IMO TJH told the truth. That same day he said that Marty said his daughter has a drug problem and she got mad at him because he wanted her to go to rehab.

[Justice4all]

I wonder, if the drug test was given the day she got Junior back, and the results did not come back till later, its not like she was prepared for Ronald to get caught trafficking drugs and get custody- if thats the case, which I dont know, then I am relived whatever was in her system was not bad enough to take him out of the home. I wish her nothing but the best, it has to be very hard for her, especially today and tomorrow.

jmo

Do we know what was in her system? What would have been bad enough to take JR away?

[RedCherries]

this forum doesn't like whispernet apps at all.

I'm still trying to verify, that this sky site isnt a blog. I know that if it were wftv or an actual, I guess call station? Then I wouldn't question it. Does any one know where the 7 tapes are that were between timmy and tommy that were referenced here yesterday?

TIA

[Sweetie]

Well hopefully she has left that in the past now that she has her son back.JMO

She tested positive AFTER she got JR back. I wonder why DCF did a drug test unless they already knew she'd used before. imo

[DramaQueen]

Do we know what was in her system? What would have been bad enough to take JR away?

she took a pill a friend gave her

[Sweetie]

she took a pill a friend gave her

I doubt she's only taken one. DCF must have had a reason to drug test her. imo

[DramaQueen]

this forum doesn't like whispernet apps at all.

I'm still trying to verify, that this sky site isnt a blog. I know that if it were wftv or an actual, I guess call station? Then I wouldn't question it. Does any one know where the 7 tapes are that were between timmy and tommy that were referenced here yesterday?

TIA

TJ is not a blogger, he's a journalist, the closest thing he does to blogging is his Twitter account, which pretty much covers all the news headlines down that way

[Justice4all]

she took a pill a friend gave her

That's what Marie said. I don't think Crystal would be court ordered to rehab for one pill. moo

[RedCherries]

Do we know what was in her system? What would have been bad enough to take JR away?

You know what, we don't know this at all. And, if she had a script to any drug, it's really none of our business. She could have popped positive and had a prescription and all of the nasty things said about her online would be defamation. In the worst way.

I've never seen a link that says she didn't have a legal prescription, so for me it's a rumor. If she was court ordered to rehab, I guess that would be public info now wouldn't it? I am not sure but I thought it would be....

[Justice4all]

this forum doesn't like whispernet apps at all.

I'm still trying to verify, that this sky site isnt a blog. I know that if it were wftv or an actual, I guess call station? Then I wouldn't question it. Does any one know where the 7 tapes are that were between timmy and tommy that were referenced here yesterday?

TIA

Sky is a radio station in Florida.

[DramaQueen]

I doubt she's only taken one. DCF must have had a reason to drug test her. imo


it was an emergency custody hearing, I would be disappointed, knowing all the circumstances, if they HADN'T drug tested her.

[Sweetie]

You know what, we don't know this at all. And, if she had a script to any drug, it's really none of our business. She could have popped positive and had a prescription and all of the nasty things said about her online would be defamation. In the worst way.

I've never seen a link that says she didn't have a legal prescription, so for me it's a rumor. If she was court ordered to rehab, I guess that would be public info now wouldn't it? I am not sure but I thought it would be....

If she had a prescription she wouldn't be ordered to rehab. imo

[RedCherries]

TJ is not a blogger, he's a journalist, the closest thing he does to blogging is his Twitter account, which pretty much covers all the news headlines down that way

The site is not an actual news site though, is it? Does any one know?

the moderator posted that post and I'm not sure now what is a legal news station and what isn't. :( Color me, UH Confused this morning! I need java!

[Dunlurken]

yes, Crystal failed a drug test after she got custody of Jr..she's going to outpatient rehab, for the time being, & Jr is still in the home with his family....the Sheffield home

here's the link that Lynn Gweeny posted on the "links only" thread....

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6301020.phpThe source is Marie Griffis.

[Sweetie]

it was an emergency custody hearing, I would be disappointed, knowing all the circumstances, if they HADN'T drug tested her.

The drug test was needed imo.

[Justice4all]

You know what, we don't know this at all. And, if she had a script to any drug, it's really none of our business. She could have popped positive and had a prescription and all of the nasty things said about her online would be defamation. In the worst way.

I've never seen a link that says she didn't have a legal prescription, so for me it's a rumor. If she was court ordered to rehab, I guess that would be public info now wouldn't it? I am not sure but I thought it would be....

Marie ( Crystals mother ) said the loritab came from a friend. If that's true sounds like she didn't have a prescription and taken friends meds is Illegal. Lucky she didn't go to jail. MOO

No wouldn't be public info because its a child custody case.

[Melster]

it doesn't specify outpatient rehab, it only says rehab. Sounds like maybe she had to spend a few days there so they could evaluate the situation, check her health status, and recommend a course of treatment?

Marie says Jr gets upset when Crystal has to do her 3 hour classes....it's not inpatient

[?noanswer]

I have no idea either way. I hope we find out one day. I just wanted to clarify no where does it say outpatient.


But somewhere it does say 3 hours per day. Course guess she could still be an inpaitent and only go to class/rehab 3 hours. I have always heard that rehab is very expensive. JMO

[Dunlurken]

If she had a prescription she wouldn't be ordered to rehab. imo

Not true. My hubby was on prescription drugs. He's now in rehab. JMO.

[RedCherries]

If she had a prescription she wouldn't be ordered to rehab. imo

Does any one actually have a link? Because it doesn't have any thing to do with Haleigh going missing. I guess that is what I'm trying to get at.
It has actually no value of discussion because she isn't the one in jail on this case.

Anyways I do hope that the rumors are correct, and some I find interesting to say the least, that on the 1 yr anniversary that anyone would be saying hold on to your hats type of stuff...it's odd. I had hoped this family stashed this child away. So I come over here and now am confused, and it's a good thought, what really constitutes NEWS and which sites are blogs. Associated Press, and the Examiner are also two sites that seem to really be blogs of some kind. I hope the discussion turns back to Haleigh and what happened that night, none of that has anything to do with her mother IMO. I'm very sad to see it, too. Very sad.

[Justice4all]

The site is not an actual news site though, is it? Does any one know?

the moderator posted that post and I'm not sure now what is a legal news station and what isn't. :( Color me, UH Confused this morning! I need java!

Yes it's a actual new site. Sky 97.3's a radio station in FL.

[Justice4all]

Not true. My hubby was on prescription drugs. He's now in rehab. JMO.

But not for taking one pill right?

[Sweetie]

Not true. My hubby was on prescription drugs. He's now in rehab. JMO.

If she had a prescription and only took one pill she wouldnt be in rehad..imo.

[DramaQueen]

That's what Marie said. I don't think Crystal would be court ordered to rehab for one pill. moo


I can only speak in relation to the words printed in front of me, to speculate whether or not they are true would be remiss of me.

Marie said one pill, I'll take her at her word until further information comes out that disproves it.

[Sweetie]

Does any one actually have a link? Because it doesn't have any thing to do with Haleigh going missing. I guess that is what I'm trying to get at.
It has actually no value of discussion because she isn't the one in jail on this case.

Anyways I do hope that the rumors are correct, and some I find interesting to say the least, that on the 1 yr anniversary that anyone would be saying hold on to your hats type of stuff...it's odd. I had hoped this family stashed this child away. So I come over here and now am confused, and it's a good thought, what really constitutes NEWS and which sites are blogs. Associated Press, and the Examiner are also two sites that seem to really be blogs of some kind. I hope the discussion turns back to Haleigh and what happened that night, none of that has anything to do with her mother IMO. I'm very sad to see it, too. Very sad.

Some of us might think otherwise.

[Justice4all]

Does any one actually have a link? Because it doesn't have any thing to do with Haleigh going missing. I guess that is what I'm trying to get at.
It has actually no value of discussion because she isn't the one in jail on this case.

Anyways I do hope that the rumors are correct, and some I find interesting to say the least, that on the 1 yr anniversary that anyone would be saying hold on to your hats type of stuff...it's odd. I had hoped this family stashed this child away. So I come over here and now am confused, and it's a good thought, what really constitutes NEWS and which sites are blogs. Associated Press, and the Examiner are also two sites that seem to really be blogs of some kind. I hope the discussion turns back to Haleigh and what happened that night, none of that has anything to do with her mother IMO. I'm very sad to see it, too. Very sad.
In jail on this case? who exactly is in jail for the disappearance of Haleigh?

[M*KAY]

And it was Timmy that had the van that night that ended up with a large unexplained scratch on it.

The same van LE impounded?
The van no evidence was found "on"?
Did LE find evidence "in" it?

Is Timmy the one, while all attention is focused on Misty and Tommy, LE suspects?

:confused:Was cousin Joe or any of the Sapps staying a few days at Timmy's?

MOO

[Justice4all]

I can only speak in relation to the words printed in front of me, to speculate whether or not they are true would be remiss of me.

Marie said one pill, I'll take her at her word until further information comes out that disproves it.

I've never in my life heard of someone court ordered to rehab for taking one pill.

[DramaQueen]

If she had a prescription and only took one pill she wouldnt be in rehad..imo.

She did not have a script for the pill she took, Marie plainly stated she got it from a friend. The simple fact that you take scripts that are not in your name is indicative of the fact that you MIGHT have some problems with drugs. I am more concerned with WHY she takes/took them if they were not legitimately prescribed to her......WHY.

But even answering that question won't help find Haleigh.

[RedCherries]

Not true. My hubby was on prescription drugs. He's now in rehab. JMO.

I'm sorry that is terrible. I hope he finds peace. A good example of how some people; ordinary people become hooked on pain medicine. Not all people who "use" or become addicted are terrible people. I've really felt some of the posts were so, hurtful. I guess hurtful is the only way I could look at them.

I don't think any of this has to do with Haleigh though. Can this forum actually discuss Haleigh and where she might be?
I want to know where she IS! I want to know what evidence LE took from that trailer that night, and I want to know when they are going to lay charges against ronald and misty. Or tommy and anyone else who has anything to do with this case. Drug use or not, I do not care at this point.

[Dunlurken]

But not for taking one pill right?Correct. What he took was prescribed by a doctor. So why did DCF now ask that Crystal be given a drug test before handing jr over to her? Makes no sense. JMO. And, .... lost my train of thought, grand daughter asked me how penguins stay warm. BBL.

[?noanswer]

Does any one actually have a link? Because it doesn't have any thing to do with Haleigh going missing. I guess that is what I'm trying to get at.
It has actually no value of discussion because she isn't the one in jail on this case.

Anyways I do hope that the rumors are correct, and some I find interesting to say the least, that on the 1 yr anniversary that anyone would be saying hold on to your hats type of stuff...it's odd. I had hoped this family stashed this child away. So I come over here and now am confused, and it's a good thought, what really constitutes NEWS and which sites are blogs. Associated Press, and the Examiner are also two sites that seem to really be blogs of some kind. I hope the discussion turns back to Haleigh and what happened that night, none of that has anything to do with her mother IMO. I'm very sad to see it, too. Very sad.

BBM

Associated Press is the worlds oldest news gathering network. I think everything on their site is copyright. JMO

[Justice4all]

I'm sorry that is terrible. I hope he finds peace. A good example of how some people; ordinary people become hooked on pain medicine. Not all people who "use" or become addicted are terrible people. I've really felt some of the posts were so, hurtful. I guess hurtful is the only way I could look at them.

I don't think any of this has to do with Haleigh though. Can this forum actually discuss Haleigh and where she might be?
I want to know where she IS! I want to know what evidence LE took from that trailer that night, and I want to know when they are going to lay charges against ronald and misty. Or tommy and anyone else who has anything to do with this case. Drug use or not, I do not care at this point.

I would love to know where Chad and Crystal were the night Haleigh went missing.

[RedCherries]

In jail on this case? who exactly is in jail for the disappearance of Haleigh?

I believe that all the "journalists" and experts that cnn hln tj hart and art harris have all stated on the air that they are in there with high bond amounts so they can put the pressure on them regarding haleigh.
That has been clearly stated in almost every broadcast online and on air that I've seen since their arrests. You know that, right?

[Melster]

Even if it's okay to link, I think we still have the right to interpret what is said, and whether it's biased.

ETA I just got error when trying to link to TJH's article.

i agree with you:seeya:

but i didn't get an error....

[Mimi428]

A totally different problem and all I want is Haleigh found...can't control what she does or doesn't do. JMO

ITA, but I will add that I also want those who are responsible for her disappearance to answer for it. I do not believe that Misty would have registered such deceptive answers on the LDT that she was given by Tim Miller's representative if the person or persons responsible was from the Sheffield/Griffis side of the family.

Misty's deceptive answers are not because of Crystal or her side of the family.

Misty's deceptive answers are related to herself, & to the Cummings side of the family & potentially the Croslin family.

That's the bottom line for me. The be-all, end-all.

I can't control nor can I affect the doings of the maternal side of the family. I can hope that DCF will step up to the plate & properly direct & oversee the plan regarding the welfare the remaining children. I surely hope that DCF has a good rehab program for Crystal & I most fervently wish that she will be able to get on the path of recovery.

At the end of the day - & now at the 1-year mark of the date that Haleigh disappeared, I still believe that the answers will come from examining the lives & the activities of the people that were in the closest daily association with Haleigh. Misty, Ron, Ron's mother & grandmother, members of Misty's family. The people who know (some more, some less) what the environment was in Ron's household. The people who interacted with those living in Ron's household. Those are the people I believe have the answers to Haleigh's disappearance.

JMO

[DramaQueen]

I'm sorry that is terrible. I hope he finds peace. A good example of how some people; ordinary people become hooked on pain medicine. Not all people who "use" or become addicted are terrible people. I've really felt some of the posts were so, hurtful. I guess hurtful is the only way I could look at them.

I don't think any of this has to do with Haleigh though. Can this forum actually discuss Haleigh and where she might be?
I want to know where she IS! I want to know what evidence LE took from that trailer that night, and I want to know when they are going to lay charges against ronald and misty. Or tommy and anyone else who has anything to do with this case. Drug use or not, I do not care at this point.

Since I am not psychic I can't answer the very questions we have been asking each other for months just because you ask them.

This has been a long exhausting process for everyone concerned, LE most of all.

Perhaps you would be interested in joining the large group of bloggers who have emailed the PCSO regarding Haleigh's case, and ask him yourself.

[datacop]

I don't think any of this has to do with Haleigh though. Can this forum actually discuss Haleigh and where she might be?
I want to know where she IS! I want to know what evidence LE took from that trailer that night, and I want to know when they are going to lay charges against ronald and misty. Or tommy and anyone else who has anything to do with this case. Drug use or not, I do not care at this point.

snipped

Thank you for this post. Unless there really is a connection to what happened, it really doesn't matter. I'm on the fence of whether drugs were connected with HaLeigh's disappearance, but if it was, it was still in Putnam County.

Unfortunately, I don't see any change in this forum.

PS. Sure glad you got the format of your posts fixed. I kept thinking there's really something there.

[RedCherries]

I would love to know where Chad and Crystal were the night Haleigh went missing.

I would love to know what TN phone records show from that night. Was it ever an intent in this case to possibly hide the children or child for any reason? I don't know, but we do need phone records at this point in this case. In light of what we've now found out about Misty not wanting to even watch ronalds kids that night.

Cell phone records would sure help heaps in this case at this point! I am more concerned with what TN knew, about that night. I am also concerned with Tommy.

[Justice4all]

I believe that all the "journalists" and experts that cnn hln tj hart and art harris have all stated on the air that they are in there with high bond amounts so they can put the pressure on them regarding haleigh.
That has been clearly stated in almost every broadcast online and on air that I've seen since their arrests. You know that, right?

Yes and Art Harris, Tim Miller, Nancy Grace, TJ Hart, Don Clark ( retired FBI ) and Mark Furman all say they don't think Ron's involved with Haleigh disappearance.

[DramaQueen]

Correct. What he took was prescribed by a doctor. So why did DCF now ask that Crystal be given a drug test before handing jr over to her? Makes no sense. JMO. And, .... lost my train of thought, grand daughter asked me how penguins stay warm. BBL.


they stand in a great big crowd and rotate the outside ones gradually to the inside and vice versa, soe everyone gets a chance at the middle and everyone gets a chance at the outside

Discovery channel or March of the Penguins, I forget which

[Saint Viva]

Correct. What he took was prescribed by a doctor. So why did DCF now ask that Crystal be given a drug test before handing jr over to her? Makes no sense. JMO. And, .... lost my train of thought, grand daughter asked me how penguins stay warm. BBL.

In all fairness, we dont know how many drug tests DCF gave Crystal, we dont know if this is the result from the initial one, and she had no idea that Ron was going to get busted for drugs and she would be drug tested, and from the sounds of it, it does seem like it wasnt cocaine or crack or anything majorly devastating, shes getting help, she should never be ashamed of wanting to help herself, nor should anyone act like its horrible she is getting help- her life this past year being brutally picked apart on top of having to deal with her daughter being missing has to be the worst thing anyone can go through.


I also agree with red cherries, I wish this forum could be discussion about stuff that actually involves the disappearance of HaLeigh and the people who had her who are now in jail, not a forum devoted to inflammatory comments about her mother who is suffering and a victim.

jmo

[Justice4all]

I would love to know what TN phone records show from that night. Was it ever an intent in this case to possibly hide the children or child for any reason? I don't know, but we do need phone records at this point in this case. In light of what we've now found out about Misty not wanting to even watch ronalds kids that night.

Cell phone records would sure help heaps in this case at this point! I am more concerned with what TN knew, about that night. I am also concerned with Tommy.

We need the phone records? Why? LE have them and they are the ones investigating the case. I have faith in them.

[Melster]

The source is Marie Griffis.

yes, i'm aware of that, Dun...

[Justice4all]

In all fairness, we dont know how many drug tests DCF gave Crystal, we dont know if this is the result from the initial one, and she had no idea that Ron was going to get busted for drugs and she would be drug tested, and from the sounds of it, it does seem like it wasnt cocaine or crack or anything majorly devastating, shes getting help, she should never be ashamed of wanting to help herself, nor should anyone act like its horrible she is getting help- her life this past year being brutally picked apart on top of having to deal with her daughter being missing has to be the worst thing anyone can go through.


I also agree with red cherries, I wish this forum could be discussion about stuff that actually involves the disappearance of HaLeigh and the people who had her who are now in jail, not a forum devoted to inflammatory comments about her mother who is suffering and a victim.

jmo


So you want us to only talk about Ron and Misty?
Does that mean you don't want proof anymore where TN worked?

[RedCherries]

I'm still trying to find the 7 phone calls between timmy and tommy that was talked about on the skynews site. By the way skynews, I still cannot decide for myself ( and I mean from my point of view) if this is truly a news organization. In my eyes, it's a blog. Like, the examiner.

I guess I really want to know if Misty wasn't with the kids that night, and tommy went by and the home was dark, then did TN have them? Did Grandma have them? Was misty not even there and that is the first lie in this case that sent everything spiraling? So many questions everyone!
Today I do want to hear the 7 taped calls between tommy and timmy.

[M*KAY]

Its the same lawyer she had before, beats me right now what his name is, but its the same one

Soon their names will be rolling off tongues and household words! :mellow:

[Dunlurken]

they stand in a great big crowd and rotate the outside ones gradually to the inside and vice versa, soe everyone gets a chance at the middle and everyone gets a chance at the outside

Discovery channel or March of the Penguins, I forget whichThanks... I'll go research it. I thought they had oil on their feathers.

LOL. it's almost time for her to take a nap, so I may or may not be back.

I'm still trying to figure out why Crystal wasn't given a drug test before they handed jr over to her.

[datacop]

i agree with you:seeya:

but i didn't get an error....


I don't even care. I'm done with that subject.

[Motomom]

You know what, we don't know this at all. And, if she had a script to any drug, it's really none of our business. She could have popped positive and had a prescription and all of the nasty things said about her online would be defamation. In the worst way.

I've never seen a link that says she didn't have a legal prescription, so for me it's a rumor. If she was court ordered to rehab, I guess that would be public info now wouldn't it? I am not sure but I thought it would be....

It was a rumor IMO..until her own mother was quoted verfying it. Now Marie is on twitter and facebook enough that had she been misquoted, we'd have heard about it by now IMO. Further more, it wouldn't be a big deal IF she had a prescription..we most likely would have heard IMO that she had prescriptions. Just as there is no defending Ron on his drug charges.. there is no defending Crystal in her drug usage imo. I think both her and Ron needed something after Haleigh went missing and they should have gone to their regular doctor and had something prescribed legally.. that way..this wouldn't even been an issue or a topic for discussion... It is what it is.
I try to stay out of the fray with this one but really.. her own mother is the one who brought it to light and verified. Marie needs to keep her mouth shut IMO..it doesn't do anything for Crystal, just makes her look worse, or reaffirms previous opinions about her.
After all that.. my opinion remains the same about Crystal.. but I want to see her do well and I don't think that she is/was drugged out on these pills.. I think she is probably an occasional pill popper and she may not even need rehab.. but again..it is what it is. She should have kept her self clean of anything that she didn't have a prescription for. JMO

[RedCherries]

yes, i'm aware of that, Dun...

From a blog, right? Well....you know what I mean? There is no proof to any of this stuff that went on for days. Made me so sad.

I just want to know where this child is at, if she is dead, lay her to rest, and for goodness sake, the parents should stand up and take the fall. I think they will all need much more time to detox. Ronald sounds on those calls, well he sounds more than just preoccupied with showering lol. He sounds to me in the throws of detox, unable to even focus on the callers.
He cannot focus on anything but himself.

What is the worst thing of all, no mention of Haleigh. He laughs with caller easily and it's very sad to me. In fact I find it more than disrespectful, he never even asked about his son. Now we can all see the depths of this case and why we are all here today, for haleigh.

Little Haleigh, where is she? If she died, she deserves to be laid to rest everyone! She deserves that just as we all do. If we find out it's her own family who has denied her this simple heartfelt custom, all heck will break lose!

[Diamond1]

In all fairness, we dont know how many drug tests DCF gave Crystal, we dont know if this is the result from the initial one, and she had no idea that Ron was going to get busted for drugs and she would be drug tested, and from the sounds of it, it does seem like it wasnt cocaine or crack or anything majorly devastating, shes getting help, she should never be ashamed of wanting to help herself, nor should anyone act like its horrible she is getting help- her life this past year being brutally picked apart on top of having to deal with her daughter being missing has to be the worst thing anyone can go through.


I also agree with red cherries, I wish this forum could be discussion about stuff that actually involves the disappearance of HaLeigh and the people who had her who are now in jail, not a forum devoted to inflammatory comments about her mother who is suffering and a victim.

jmo

Very well said and I completely agree. It is useless to bash Crystal day after day after day. She is getting help and JR is happy. That is what is most important.

[Saint Viva]

I'm still trying to find the 7 phone calls between timmy and tommy that was talked about on the skynews site. By the way skynews, I still cannot decide for myself ( and I mean from my point of view) if this is truly a news organization. In my eyes, it's a blog. Like, the examiner.

I guess I really want to know if Misty wasn't with the kids that night, and tommy went by and the home was dark, then did TN have them? Did Grandma have them? Was misty not even there and that is the first lie in this case that sent everything spiraling? So many questions everyone!
Today I do want to hear the 7 taped calls between tommy and timmy.

I am concerned about Teresa Neves asking Misty to come home and babysit. Did this happen Sunday night? Because according to Misty she was at the home Sunday with Ronald and they were up all night talking, to me that says he did not go to work Sunday, because the story would have been Misty came home on sunday and watched the kids and then was up all night with Ron talking after he got home from work.

So, did TN call Misty on the 9th, the day Ron did have to work and offer to pay her to babysit, if thats the case, then Misty was not with Ronald the morning he drove like a bat out of heck to get HaLeigh to school-

Does that make sense?

[DramaQueen]

In all fairness, we dont know how many drug tests DCF gave Crystal, we dont know if this is the result from the initial one, and she had no idea that Ron was going to get busted for drugs and she would be drug tested, and from the sounds of it, it does seem like it wasnt cocaine or crack or anything majorly devastating, shes getting help, she should never be ashamed of wanting to help herself, nor should anyone act like its horrible she is getting help- her life this past year being brutally picked apart on top of having to deal with her daughter being missing has to be the worst thing anyone can go through.


I also agree with red cherries, I wish this forum could be discussion about stuff that actually involves the disappearance of HaLeigh and the people who had her who are now in jail, not a forum devoted to inflammatory comments about her mother who is suffering and a victim.

jmo

That's the point, alot of peeps don't see Crystal as a victim, they see her as potentailly someone who could have arranged to have her daughter kidnapped and sent away because of her back child support.

Don't shoot the messenger, its not what I think.

But people do and they are entitled to their own theories and opinions. Just like the peeps who think Ron, Misty, Tommy, Timmy, Cousin Tommy, Greg, or any one of the 45 RSOs that live in a 5 mile radius of the home, or the one who has been missing for over a year now, Chad Reynolds, could be involved. Or an RSO no one knows about.

The people who are in jail are in jail for dealing drugs. Not for what happened to Haleigh.

[Melster]

ITA, but I will add that I also want those who are responsible for her disappearance to answer for it. I do not believe that Misty would have registered such deceptive answers on the LDT that she was given by Tim Miller's representative if the person or persons responsible was from the Sheffield/Griffis side of the family.

Misty's deceptive answers are not because of Crystal or her side of the family.

Misty's deceptive answers are related to herself, & to the Cummings side of the family & potentially the Croslin family.

That's the bottom line for me. The be-all, end-all.

I can't control nor can I affect the doings of the maternal side of the family. I can hope that DCF will step up to the plate & properly direct & oversee the plan regarding the welfare the remaining children. I surely hope that DCF has a good rehab program for Crystal & I most fervently wish that she will be able to get on the path of recovery.

At the end of the day - & now at the 1-year mark of the date that Haleigh disappeared, I still believe that the answers will come from examining the lives & the activities of the people that were in the closest daily association with Haleigh. Misty, Ron, Ron's mother & grandmother, members of Misty's family. The people who know (some more, some less) what the environment was in Ron's household. The people who interacted with those living in Ron's household. Those are the people I believe have the answers to Haleigh's disappearance.

JMO

thank YOU!.....you keep it real, Mimi, & have such a way with words!

[Motomom]

But somewhere it does say 3 hours per day. Course guess she could still be an inpaitent and only go to class/rehab 3 hours. I have always heard that rehab is very expensive. JMO

It is.. and can be but there are free options out there. With the experience I had.. 25 and younger are able to get help easier then someone over that age. Just what I've been told through the many facilities I spoke with in regards to my bil. Things may be different in FL though..

[datacop]

I would love to know what TN phone records show from that night. Was it ever an intent in this case to possibly hide the children or child for any reason? I don't know, but we do need phone records at this point in this case. In light of what we've now found out about Misty not wanting to even watch ronalds kids that night.

Cell phone records would sure help heaps in this case at this point! I am more concerned with what TN knew, about that night. I am also concerned with Tommy.


Absolutely. IF Misty didn't want to watch the children (or wasn't really in condition to), then something is really strange. Any phone records would be helpful. (I can get a record of my land phones also). Where was TN? Was the guy from LE and she was actually at the mh? Why didn't she or GGMS step in? What could have been more important that grandchildren's safety?

[Justice4all]

I'm still trying to find the 7 phone calls between timmy and tommy that was talked about on the skynews site. By the way skynews, I still cannot decide for myself ( and I mean from my point of view) if this is truly a news organization. In my eyes, it's a blog. Like, the examiner.

I guess I really want to know if Misty wasn't with the kids that night, and tommy went by and the home was dark, then did TN have them? Did Grandma have them? Was misty not even there and that is the first lie in this case that sent everything spiraling? So many questions everyone!
Today I do want to hear the 7 taped calls between tommy and timmy.

You think TN wen to the house that night and got Misty and the children?

Skynews is a radio station in FL. Everything that's on that website is the same stuff they talk about on the Radio. It's not a blog.

[Melster]

From a blog, right? Well....you know what I mean? There is no proof to any of this stuff that went on for days. Made me so sad.

I just want to know where this child is at, if she is dead, lay her to rest, and for goodness sake, the parents should stand up and take the fall. I think they will all need much more time to detox. Ronald sounds on those calls, well he sounds more than just preoccupied with showering lol. He sounds to me in the throws of detox, unable to even focus on the callers.
He cannot focus on anything but himself.

What is the worst thing of all, no mention of Haleigh. He laughs with caller easily and it's very sad to me. In fact I find it more than disrespectful, he never even asked about his son. Now we can all see the depths of this case and why we are all here today, for haleigh.

Little Haleigh, where is she? If she died, she deserves to be laid to rest everyone! She deserves that just as we all do. If we find out it's her own family who has denied her this simple heartfelt custom, all heck will break lose!

i understand how you feel RC...i really do

[RedCherries]

It was a rumor IMO..until her own mother was quoted verfying it. Now Marie is on twitter and facebook enough that had she been misquoted, we'd have heard about it by now IMO. Further more, it wouldn't be a big deal IF she had a prescription..we most likely would have heard IMO that she had prescriptions. Just as there is no defending Ron on his drug charges.. there is no defending Crystal in her drug usage imo. I think both her and Ron needed something after Haleigh went missing and they should have gone to their regular doctor and had something prescribed legally.. that way..this wouldn't even been an issue or a topic for discussion... It is what it is.
I try to stay out of the fray with this one but really.. her own mother is the one who brought it to light and verified. Marie needs to keep her mouth shut IMO..it doesn't do anything for Crystal, just makes her look worse, or reaffirms previous opinions about her.
After all that.. my opinion remains the same about Crystal.. but I want to see her do well and I don't think that she is/was drugged out on these pills.. I think she is probably an occasional pill popper and she may not even need rehab.. but again..it is what it is. She should have kept her self clean of anything that she didn't have a prescription for. JMO

Moto but we cannot verify the source of those emails can we? We cannot verify any of this without the court order, truly can we?
That's the point I was trying to make :D
But more importantly, we need to find Haleigh, find out who put her where she is at today. I also can't bear the thought of her never being found, no resolution. I can't bear to think it!

I also have to add, that if CS did pop someone else's pain pill, maybe she had a headache called Ronald Cummings, lol! I really do not care if she took one pill or a hundred. If this is a wake up call for her, it still should not be public record, without the court ordered documents being released and posted, somewhere, I just can't find them. This all started with an email that someone posted, and those can be "fixed" so I really just want to know, who put Haleigh, and where. where is she?

[M*KAY]

Yeah that's one big hot mess.. I don't understand any of it.

Ignore can be a wonderful tool. :smile:

[Saint Viva]

That's the point, alot of peeps don't see Crystal as a victim, they see her as potentailly someone who could have arranged to have her daughter kidnapped and sent away because of her back child support.

Don't shoot the messenger, its not what I think.

But people do and they are entitled to their own theories and opinions. Just like the peeps who think Ron, Misty, Tommy, Timmy, Cousin Tommy, Greg, or any one of the 45 RSOs that live in a 5 mile radius of the home, or the one who has been missing for over a year now, Chad Reynolds, could be involved. Or an RSO no one knows about.

The people who are in jail are in jail for dealing drugs. Not for what happened to Haleigh.

And I agree that should be discussed, but I dont think tearing apart Crystal for this DCF issue is relevant in what happened to HaLeigh a year ago, I mean how do you tie this DCF incident after she was awarded Junior after Ron was thrown in jail, how does that really affect what happened to HaLEigh? Stuff like that is very inflammatory and is tossed around meant to rile people up, who do not care for her and want to pick her apart, I mean, how about asking CW for a Crystal forum, or a thread just to bash her, because that kind of stuff gets in the way of some really good discussion that focuses solely on Haleigh and the night she went missing, the night that should matter most of all.

jmo

[Justice4all]

I am concerned about Teresa Neves asking Misty to come home and babysit. Did this happen Sunday night? Because according to Misty she was at the home Sunday with Ronald and they were up all night talking, to me that says he did not go to work Sunday, because the story would have been Misty came home on sunday and watched the kids and then was up all night with Ron talking after he got home from work.

So, did TN call Misty on the 9th, the day Ron did have to work and offer to pay her to babysit, if thats the case, then Misty was not with Ronald the morning he drove like a bat out of heck to get HaLeigh to school-

Does that make sense?

Was Jr with Ron in the car that morning Ron was driving fast?

[Motomom]

I believe that all the "journalists" and experts that cnn hln tj hart and art harris have all stated on the air that they are in there with high bond amounts so they can put the pressure on them regarding haleigh.
That has been clearly stated in almost every broadcast online and on air that I've seen since their arrests. You know that, right?

That's only their opinion though. Nobody has been arrested for Haleigh's disappearance, you know that right? Nobody.. that is why we aren't getting much, if anything, pertaining to her case.. the released calls are all redacted, so nobody can tell you what is missing from them, we can only assume.

I would love to know what the evidence that LE has that doesn't match up to Misty's account of that nights events..

[datacop]

I'm still trying to find the 7 phone calls between timmy and tommy that was talked about on the skynews site. By the way skynews, I still cannot decide for myself ( and I mean from my point of view) if this is truly a news organization. In my eyes, it's a blog. Like, the examiner.

I guess I really want to know if Misty wasn't with the kids that night, and tommy went by and the home was dark, then did TN have them? Did Grandma have them? Was misty not even there and that is the first lie in this case that sent everything spiraling? So many questions everyone!
Today I do want to hear the 7 taped calls between tommy and timmy.


The source you refer to is on blogger news network and the radio show on Sunday afternoon, that is full of giggles and stupid music. Still a pretty good source to get links when they actually work.

[RedCherries]

i understand how you feel RC...i really do

Thank you, I came over here and thought oh no this isn't the same forum or message board lol! Over the weekend my jaw was on the floor at the posts. And I did cry because don't we all want the same thing, don't we all just care where Haleigh is? If she is alive, then I hope that someone gives her up, if she is dead, I hope that someone will have a conscience.

Tommy's body language, is telling to me. At times he cannot even look up. And I am starting to wonder, exactly, why! WHY? He seems tortured to me. Misty seems to be very cold, and ronald is concerned about being clean but not in the drug sense LOL! :D
HAVE TO LIGHTEN THE MOOD HERE.

[DramaQueen]

Ignore can be a wonderful tool. :smile:

you ain't kidding GF, and I am taking your advice starting right now.......sheesh! LOL not ignoring you!

[Shameonme]

Does any one actually have a link? Because it doesn't have any thing to do with Haleigh going missing. I guess that is what I'm trying to get at.
It has actually no value of discussion because she isn't the one in jail on this case.

Anyways I do hope that the rumors are correct, and some I find interesting to say the least, that on the 1 yr anniversary that anyone would be saying hold on to your hats type of stuff...it's odd. I had hoped this family stashed this child away. So I come over here and now am confused, and it's a good thought, what really constitutes NEWS and which sites are blogs. Associated Press, and the Examiner are also two sites that seem to really be blogs of some kind. I hope the discussion turns back to Haleigh and what happened that night, none of that has anything to do with her mother IMO. I'm very sad to see it, too. Very sad.

Wow I glad I'm now able to read your post! my 2 cents is you get it and thanks for your straight forword post it's refreshing to say the least.

[Justice4all]

And I agree that should be discussed, but I dont think tearing apart Crystal for this DCF issue is relevant in what happened to HaLeigh a year ago, I mean how do you tie this DCF incident after she was awarded Junior after Ron was thrown in jail, how does that really affect what happened to HaLEigh? Stuff like that is very inflammatory and is tossed around meant to rile people up who do not care for her and want to pick her apart, I mean, how about asking CW for a Crystal forum, or a thread just to bash her, because that kind of stuff gets in the way of some really good discussion that focuses solely on Haleigh and the night she went missing, the night that should matter most of all.

jmo

I've read a lot of post people tearing Ron apart for being in jail for trafficking drugs with no proof it's relevant in what happen to Haleigh a year ago.

Should we ask CW to make a Ron forum so people can bash him?

LE have said Ron and Crystal are NOT suspect but yet everyday on here I read people's post basically saying he's a suspect.

imo

[Motomom]

I would love to know what TN phone records show from that night. Was it ever an intent in this case to possibly hide the children or child for any reason? I don't know, but we do need phone records at this point in this case. In light of what we've now found out about Misty not wanting to even watch ronalds kids that night.

Cell phone records would sure help heaps in this case at this point! I am more concerned with what TN knew, about that night. I am also concerned with Tommy.

I'm more interested in what the "key" to this timeline has to say. I'm more interested in who LE is interested in..

[RedCherries]

The source you refer to is on blogger news network and the radio show on Sunday afternoon, that is full of giggles and stupid music. Still a pretty good source to get links when they actually work.

Yes, the blog. A blog as a source, I rest my case :D

Oh Data, doesn't simon's giggling bug you? now that made me laugh thank you. I wish that he would not do that on his "show". :tongueside:

[datacop]

I am concerned about Teresa Neves asking Misty to come home and babysit. Did this happen Sunday night? Because according to Misty she was at the home Sunday with Ronald and they were up all night talking, to me that says he did not go to work Sunday, because the story would have been Misty came home on sunday and watched the kids and then was up all night with Ron talking after he got home from work.

So, did TN call Misty on the 9th, the day Ron did have to work and offer to pay her to babysit, if thats the case, then Misty was not with Ronald the morning he drove like a bat out of heck to get HaLeigh to school-

Does that make sense?


No, nothing makes sense and hasn't for a year.

[Justice4all]

Ignore can be a wonderful tool. :smile:

Yeah I think you are right. I just can't believe some posters want to talk about Ron might have a third child but they don't want us talking about Crystal and Chad at all.

*chanting* ignore and move along.

[Diamond1]

It cost money to take care of a child. WHO in the family, either side , has the money to hide a child for a year and counting?

I just do not think that is what happen at all. They do not have the money to pull that off.
mo

[Justice4all]

Yes, the blog. A blog as a source, I rest my case :D

Oh Data, doesn't simon's giggling bug you? now that made me laugh thank you. I wish that he would not do that on his "show". :tongueside:

Art Harris is a blogger how do you feel about his blog and thoughts?

[RedCherries]

Wow I glad I'm now able to read your post! my 2 cents is you get it and thanks for your straight forword post it's refreshing to say the least. sorry I was on the phone and also my e reader LOL! It didn't like the browser at all.

Shameonme I am so hopeful that this case will break wide open. I know that everyone here wants the same thing. I know we do. If there are paid bloggers here, then so be it but I am not one. I truly want to know, what evidence LE took out of that home, I want to know why Misty said she was in a pink shirt, (that isn't PJ's to me) and then the shirt is found in the laundry pile. It does go to possible fact that Misty wasn't there and possibly didn't even KNOW what Haleigh was wearing that night. Because, we now know she didn't even want to watch her! Maybe, she didn't.

Maybe the kids were left alone that night. And maybe the family knows it. And maybe they tried to cover that up. It's possible.....

[Motomom]

Moto but we cannot verify the source of those emails can we? We cannot verify any of this without the court order, truly can we?
That's the point I was trying to make :D
But more importantly, we need to find Haleigh, find out who put her where she is at today. I also can't bear the thought of her never being found, no resolution. I can't bear to think it!

I also have to add, that if CS did pop someone else's pain pill, maybe she had a headache called Ronald Cummings, lol! I really do not care if she took one pill or a hundred. If this is a wake up call for her, it still should not be public record, without the court ordered documents being released and posted, somewhere, I just can't find them. This all started with an email that someone posted, and those can be "fixed" so I really just want to know, who put Haleigh, and where. where is she?


Like i said.. Marie is the one who confirmed it.

[Diamond1]

Yeah I think you are right. I just can't believe some posters want to talk about Ron might have a third child but they don't want us talking about Crystal and Chad at all.

*chanting* ignore and move along.

The news reporters write about him having three children.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-02-07/story/a_year_since_haleigh_cummings_vanished_ronald_and_ misty_lost_their_way_l

[M*KAY]

I've never in my life heard of someone court ordered to rehab for taking one pill.

I think "the presence" is the issue and not "the amount" when passing/failing a drug test.

MOO

[Justice4all]

The news reporters write about him having three children.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-02-07/story/a_year_since_haleigh_cummings_vanished_ronald_and_ misty_lost_their_way_l

news reporters have been writing about Chad and Crystal for a year. Can we talk about them?

[RedCherries]

Art Harris is a blogger how do you feel about his blog and thoughts?

I'm really not sure how I feel about Art Harris. I think that he has tried hard to cover this case. But more importantly was the moderators post this morning about not using bloggers as a source. That's what I took out of the post any way and it made me think....wait a minute!

Isn't his site a blog of sorts too? He was an award winning journalist, true but he isn't with an actual station. IOW he isn't with WFTV or WESH or CNN. KWIM? That's where I was going with that Justice.

I think he cares, and I think that his release of some info in this case has kept it alive. But I was completely put off at the thought of him working with Leonard on this case. I guess I was worried that he was? I was worried he would try to help bail Misty OUT.
I have to commend him for not "going on that show any longer" (smile)
And for his message on his site that he was not going to "bail" misty cummings croslin out of jail. So thank you AH for that and your passion.

[Melster]

I am concerned about Teresa Neves asking Misty to come home and babysit. Did this happen Sunday night? Because according to Misty she was at the home Sunday with Ronald and they were up all night talking, to me that says he did not go to work Sunday, because the story would have been Misty came home on sunday and watched the kids and then was up all night with Ron talking after he got home from work.

So, did TN call Misty on the 9th, the day Ron did have to work and offer to pay her to babysit, if thats the case, then Misty was not with Ronald the morning he drove like a bat out of heck to get HaLeigh to school-

Does that make sense?

i've never thought Misty was back home, when RC was spotted speeding by the bus stop, that Monday morning...i believe he was in a rage that Misty wasn't home yet....

jmo

[Justice4all]

i've never thought Misty was back home, when RC was spotted speeding by the bus stop, that Monday morning...i believe he was in a rage that Misty wasn't home yet....

jmo

Who had Jr then? Why did Nay Nay say they took her home sunday?

[Shameonme]

sorry I was on the phone and also my e reader LOL! It didn't like the browser at all.

Shameonme I am so hopeful that this case will break wide open. I know that everyone here wants the same thing. I know we do. If there are paid bloggers here, then so be it but I am not one. I truly want to know, what evidence LE took out of that home, I want to know why Misty said she was in a pink shirt, (that isn't PJ's to me) and then the shirt is found in the laundry pile. It does go to possible fact that Misty wasn't there and possibly didn't even KNOW what Haleigh was wearing that night. Because, we now know she didn't even want to watch her! Maybe, she didn't.

Maybe the kids were left alone that night. And maybe the family knows it. And maybe they tried to cover that up. It's possible.....

I think that the truth is something this cast of charters have no idea what it means. They have been lieing for so long or lieing by omission we might never know what happened that night. We can hope LE has more than we are privy to but are playing it close to the vest.

[RedCherries]

I think "the presence" is the issue and not "the amount" when passing/failing a drug test.

MOO

I think so too but again this will not help find Haleigh. It will not help in the evidence against any one in this case. There isn't any to date against CS or Chad. They are not sitting in jail on drug trafficking charges, being leaned on by the FBI about a missing person, a child under the age of 6.
I do think and hope dearly that the FBI is also going to interrogate each prisoner.

I want to know what type of evidence they took out of the home that night. And, I am really starting to wonder if the kids were left unsupervised in that home that night. IOW maybe GS thought it was enough to stop by, they were eating on the porch (if true) and their daddy would be home in a few hours. Some do think that is OK and they leave their kids alone. I wonder if this is what happened in this case. I never considered it before this weekend.

[Justice4all]

I'm really not sure how I feel about Art Harris. I think that he has tried hard to cover this case. But more importantly was the moderators post this morning about not using bloggers as a source. That's what I took out of the post any way and it made me think....wait a minute!

Isn't his site a blog of sorts too? He was an award winning journalist, true but he isn't with an actual station. IOW he isn't with WFTV or WESH or CNN. KWIM? That's where I was going with that Justice.

I think he cares, and I think that his release of some info in this case has kept it alive. But I was completely put off at the thought of him working with Leonard on this case. I guess I was worried that he was? I was worried he would try to help bail Misty OUT.
I have to commend him for not "going on that show any longer" (smile)
And for his message on his site that he was not going to "bail" misty cummings croslin out of jail. So thank you AH for that and your passion.
What did you think about the court docs where Kim Picazio talks about Art Harris was being paid to say bad stuff about the Cummings?

Padilla's already said he won't bail Misty out until she tells him where Haleigh is and he goes and gets Haleigh with LE. So you don't have to worry about him bailing her out IMO.

[Mimi428]

Does any one actually have a link? Because it doesn't have any thing to do with Haleigh going missing. I guess that is what I'm trying to get at.
It has actually no value of discussion because she isn't the one in jail on this case.

I hope the discussion turns back to Haleigh and what happened that night, none of that has anything to do with her mother IMO. I'm very sad to see it, too. Very sad.

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I completely agree with you that the answers to whatever happened to Haleigh that night have nothing to do with her mother. She did not disappear from a Sheffield/Griffis household. She was not in the care of a Sheffield/Griffis-connected babysitter.

Haleigh was in a Cummings household, in the care of a Cummings-connected babysitter.

Does anyone actually think that Misty's 95-99% evidence of deception on her LDT to 3 key questions is related to the Sheffield/Griffis group? I don't.

I think knowing the life details of the group Haleigh was in the closest proximity to will hold the answers.

Who are those people?
What were they like while Haleigh was living with & around them?
What accurate information have they offered about themselves & each other, regarding what they were doing in the days, weeks & months leading up to Haleigh's disappearance?
What inaccurate or misleading information have they given?
Are they lying or misleading about the information they give regarding life in that household? If so, about what?
Have they demonstrated behaviors since Haleigh's disappearance that would verify or dispute their stories of how they lived, how Haleigh lived, how life in her home was?

Those questions are worthy of discussion, IMO. Nothing I can do about those who are focused on people who have the lowest statistical probability (IMO) of knowing what happened to Haleigh other than to refrain from engaging in discussions that have the least likelihood (in my estimation) of getting the ultimate answers.

JMO

[Diamond1]

news reporters have been writing about Chad and Crystal for a year. Can we talk about them?

They have been talked about for a year. I just wish Haleigh could be found and this case solved. It has been a year now and it is just so sad.

[Diamond1]

What did you think about the court docs where Kim Picazio talks about Art Harris was being paid to say bad stuff about the Cummings?

Padilla's already said he won't bail Misty out until she tells him where Haleigh is and he goes and gets Haleigh with LE. So you don't have to worry about him bailing her out IMO.

Who was paying him?

[RedCherries]

I think that the truth is something this cast of charters have no idea what it means. They have been lieing for so long or lieing by omission we might never know what happened that night. We can hope LE has more than we are privy to but are playing it close to the vest.

Shame I think so too; lying is second nature to anyone who has a drug issue. I'm so hopeful that LE does have evidence, and there will be charges soon. I think this group is a firm believer of no body no crime.

I'm not though :D And, many cases are tried without a body. A child is gone, she isn't at home she isn't in school, she is gone. the last person to be with this child, is possibly Misty. But I am seriously starting to doubt that as of this weekend. Things are starting to click for me, and I do think that they left them home alone. That MAY be the Big Lie in this case they've all known about and tried to cover up. If true, think about it, then no one was with the children that night. I"m not sure where to go from there. I'm still thinking!

[DramaQueen]

They have been talked about for a year. I just wish Haleigh could be found and this case solved. It has been a year now and it is just so sad.

From your lips to God's ears, ITA w/you, it is past time for her to be rbought home, and it's terribly, terribly sad

[RedCherries]

Who was paying him?

Wasn't that interesting to hear that no one is paid to "go on that show"?

I thought it was, I was shocked I thought talking heads were paid, for their opinions on a case. I guess it's all just face time.

But, more importantly I want to know what evidence LE took from the home that night, and who was really watching these kids if Misty didn't want to. Was it GS? Was it TN? Was it WBG? Were they left alone?

Let's please get off all the posts that are not about finding Haleigh, can't we? Let's talk about the night she went missing, and what LE found and the van, and the blanket and the actual Evidence in this case. This forum used to be filled with some of the best minds that examined evidence in a case. They also never got hung up on things that had no bearing on the case. What happened to Haleigh, who really picked her up from that bus that day? TN has placed herself as the person to pick her up that day. Others have too. Why?
did she walk home alone? Was anyone there really? Misty didn't want to be, there had been a row that weekend. RC who knows where he was before work that day. We've never heard about THAT. TN, where was she that night? What do all of their phone records show?

[Shameonme]

Shame I think so too; lying is second nature to anyone who has a drug issue. I'm so hopeful that LE does have evidence, and there will be charges soon. I think this group is a firm believer of no body no crime.

I'm not though :D And, many cases are tried without a body. A child is gone, she isn't at home she isn't in school, she is gone. the last person to be with this child, is possibly Misty. But I am seriously starting to doubt that as of this weekend. Things are starting to click for me, and I do think that they left them home alone. That MAY be the Big Lie in this case they've all known about and tried to cover up. If true, think about it, then no one was with the children that night. I"m not sure where to go from there. I'm still thinking!

Whats that old saying its a riddle wrapped up in an enigma.

[datacop]

<snipped>

I completely agree with you that the answers to whatever happened to Haleigh that night have nothing to do with her mother. She did not disappear from a Sheffield/Griffis household. She was not in the care of a Sheffield/Griffis-connected babysitter.

Haleigh was in a Cummings household, in the care of a Cummings-connected babysitter.

Does anyone actually think that Misty's 95-99% evidence of deception on her LDT to 3 key questions is related to the Sheffield/Griffis group? I don't.

I think knowing the life details of the group Haleigh was in the closest proximity to will hold the answers.

Who are those people?
What were they like while Haleigh was living with & around them?
What accurate information have they offered about themselves & each other, regarding what they were doing in the days, weeks & months leading up to Haleigh's disappearance?
What inaccurate or misleading information have they given?
Are they lying or misleading about the information they give regarding life in that household? If so, about what?
Have they demonstrated behaviors since Haleigh's disappearance that would verify or dispute their stories of how they lived, how Haleigh lived, how life in her home was?

Those questions are worthy of discussion, IMO. Nothing I can do about those who are focused on people who have the lowest statistical probability (IMO) of knowing what happened to Haleigh other than to refrain from engaging in discussions that have the least likelihood (in my estimation) of getting the ultimate answers.

JMO

Wow.. great post and great "suggestions".

Those in Putnam County that were nearest to HaLeigh have had a year to clear up all the stuff for lack of better word, that went on before and during the night that HaLeigh went missing. That they haven't appears to mean that they can't and that's the biggest red flag than I've seen yet.

[datacop]

They have been talked about for a year. I just wish Haleigh could be found and this case solved. It has been a year now and it is just so sad.


And after a year, there's never even been a rumor than any of them were seen in Putnam County that night. Quite the opposite, there has been complaints that they didn't get there fast enough.

[Melster]

<snipped>

I completely agree with you that the answers to whatever happened to Haleigh that night have nothing to do with her mother. She did not disappear from a Sheffield/Griffis household. She was not in the care of a Sheffield/Griffis-connected babysitter.

Haleigh was in a Cummings household, in the care of a Cummings-connected babysitter.

Does anyone actually think that Misty's 95-99% evidence of deception on her LDT to 3 key questions is related to the Sheffield/Griffis group? I don't.

I think knowing the life details of the group Haleigh was in the closest proximity to will hold the answers.

Who are those people?
What were they like while Haleigh was living with & around them?
What accurate information have they offered about themselves & each other, regarding what they were doing in the days, weeks & months leading up to Haleigh's disappearance?
What inaccurate or misleading information have they given?
Are they lying or misleading about the information they give regarding life in that household? If so, about what?
Have they demonstrated behaviors since Haleigh's disappearance that would verify or dispute their stories of how they lived, how Haleigh lived, how life in her home was?

Those questions are worthy of discussion, IMO. Nothing I can do about those who are focused on people who have the lowest statistical probability (IMO) of knowing what happened to Haleigh other than to refrain from engaging in discussions that have the least likelihood (in my estimation) of getting the ultimate answers.

JMO

the marriage approx 30 days after Haleigh went missing, brawls, tattoos, & drug trafficking...poor Haleigh:(

[5boxersmom]

:rose:So a year ago today little HaLeigh was sitting in school and none of us had heard of her or her family.

I can't believe tomorrow will be a year I was watching Caylee's memorial service and heard about HaLeigh. I never dreamed looking for HaLeigh would last for a year.

:rose:

[M*KAY]

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"..... I wish this forum could be discussion about stuff that actually involves the disappearance of HaLeigh and the people who had her who are now in jail, not a forum devoted to inflammatory comments about her mother who is suffering and a victim.

jmo

IMO, We would all love that.
Inflammatory remarks about both parents should stop.

Both are victims of a missing child.

He's in jail for drug trafficking.
She also still has issues with drugs apparently.

A parent's arrests or drug issues don't negate their grief over their child.

MOO :smile:

[RedCherries]

<snipped>

I completely agree with you that the answers to whatever happened to Haleigh that night have nothing to do with her mother. She did not disappear from a Sheffield/Griffis household. She was not in the care of a Sheffield/Griffis-connected babysitter.

Haleigh was in a Cummings household, in the care of a Cummings-connected babysitter.

Does anyone actually think that Misty's 95-99% evidence of deception on her LDT to 3 key questions is related to the Sheffield/Griffis group? I don't.

I think knowing the life details of the group Haleigh was in the closest proximity to will hold the answers.

Who are those people?
What were they like while Haleigh was living with & around them?
What accurate information have they offered about themselves & each other, regarding what they were doing in the days, weeks & months leading up to Haleigh's disappearance?
What inaccurate or misleading information have they given?
Are they lying or misleading about the information they give regarding life in that household? If so, about what?
Have they demonstrated behaviors since Haleigh's disappearance that would verify or dispute their stories of how they lived, how Haleigh lived, how life in her home was?

Those questions are worthy of discussion, IMO. Nothing I can do about those who are focused on people who have the lowest statistical probability (IMO) of knowing what happened to Haleigh other than to refrain from engaging in discussions that have the least likelihood (in my estimation) of getting the ultimate answers.

JMO

Excellent Post and I thank you!! Thank You for getting us all back on track. These are the issues in this case. Not Haleigh's mother.
We do need to examine who was caring for her in the months leading up to this tragedy, we need to know TN's schedule, GS's schedule and examine their behavior. I also believe that there is a problem there, that little have spoken of. I'm sorry but I don't believe ronalds side of the family in this case. I tried to and I cannot. It's very sad, but that is my stance. I also do not believe Misty or her brother. When they said on tape about this Haleigh chit, that broke my heart. That was so cold, the only reference to this child was "that haleigh chit" it has to come out....

It seems that the croslins know something, but it also seems to me that TN GS and RC have been hell bent on trying to push on the public they are normal run of the mill people. This is anything but the truth from what I've seen. You know how your meter just goes off? GS, really scares me. Her mentioning watching out for NARCS in the prison, well what is his grandmother so worried about? That was telling to me. That said everything to me. What good person would say such a thing?
A reminder, hey son don't say anything to anyone their are narcs planted there to catch you or trip you up? This advice from the one who also, watched haleigh at times. We have to examine that. I think it is disturbing.

Why didn't we ever get a description of Haleigh's PJs? If she wasn't in her pink shirt then why didn't misty ever say oh sorry it was her yellow PJ's? I think it's because Misty wasn't even there.
SHE MAY NOT KNOW.

[RedCherries]

the marriage approx 30 days after Haleigh went missing, brawls, tattoos, & drug trafficking...poor Haleigh:(

I think the marriage was a huge mistake with a lot of meaning behind it.

I do think that rc thought there would be a marital privilege, and that implicates him in my mind. But he was mistaken and he didn't know the law.

Again; it's knowledge that trumped him in this case. I do think that LE is going to break him. I do think that after several months in jail a day long interrogation will break him. If he ever loved this child, he will tell the truth, tooth ache or not.

Hank Sr was right, the truth has to come out. When he said to Misty, I don't know why you didn't just come forward, I took issue with that.

Everyone, do you KWIM? It was an admission of sorts, if you examine what he said. Misty knows. She may be the key, but I think that key will unlock a hell of sorts for ronald cummings.
I really do.

[just4justice]

If the bottle is a decent chardonnay scootch over, I'll sit and wait with you.

How LE or anyone else is able to sort through the circus this missing child case has become is beyond me, but they appear to be doing it, all these months of waiting I am very hopeful we will see/hear results soon.
LOL. I was thinking a nice chocolate mint torte could top it all off. :lol:
My favorite name for them is the Croslin Circus at Dysfunction Junction.

[Melster]

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IMO, We would all love that.
Inflammatory remarks about both parents should stop.

Both are victims of a missing child.

He's in jail for drug trafficking.
She also still has issues with drugs apparently.

A parent's arrests or drug issues don't negate their grief over their child.

MOO :smile:


there is no grief at all, in those phone calls with Ronald...none, whatsoever...he's not a parent grieving over the loss of a child, getting close to the 1 year 'anniversary' of her being gone...go take another listen to the call with one of his admirers...it's disgusting, how Haleigh's mentioned like a passing thought...btw, the only reason she's mentioned at ALL, is because someone wrote a letter to him, stating they were sorry about Haleigh....he even comments it was only a 4 sentence letter....grief?....no

jmo

[RedCherries]

:rose:So a year ago today little HaLeigh was sitting in school and none of us had heard of her or her family.

I can't believe tomorrow will be a year I was watching Caylee's memorial service and heard about HaLeigh. I never dreamed looking for HaLeigh would last for a year.

:rose:

Thank you 5boxermom. I will never forget that day either. It was like hearing the unimaginable. Her name, so much the same, another one
Gone.

:rose:
Please Ronald, tell the truth about Haleigh; only the truth will set you free. Please Misty, tell the truth. For once, please both of you tell the truth and stop this train now.

[Mimi428]

And after a year, there's never even been a rumor than any of them were seen in Putnam County that night. Quite the opposite, there has been complaints that they didn't get there fast enough.

Yes, there certainly have been plenty of comments about that.

Can anyone who thinks there is plausibility in the theory that someone on the Sheffield/Griffis came & stole Haleigh connect the theoretical dots on how that action caused Misty to show such a high percentage of deception in her answers on her LDT?

The day I read/hear something that offers up a believable, rational scenario that does not defy logic or common sense on how Crystal-connected people could steal Haleigh away AND Misty would somehow know & lie about it to LE & on her LDT - I would give it serious thought.

No matter what the theories are, the one sure thing they have to accomplish is making the connection on how the perpetrator's actions contributed to Misty's miserable failure on the LDT.

Make that connection if you believe there is reason to think for more than 5 minutes that Crystal's side of the family came & took Haleigh.

(not you personally, DC!)

JMO

[Melster]

I think the marriage was a huge mistake with a lot of meaning behind it.

I do think that rc thought there would be a marital privilege, and that implicates him in my mind. But he was mistaken and he didn't know the law.

Again; it's knowledge that trumped him in this case. I do think that LE is going to break him. I do think that after several months in jail a day long interrogation will break him. If he ever loved this child, he will tell the truth, tooth ache or not.

Hank Sr was right, the truth has to come out. When he said to Misty, I don't know why you didn't just come forward, I took issue with that.

Everyone, do you KWIM? It was an admission of sorts, if you examine what he said. Misty knows. She may be the key, but I think that key will unlock a hell of sorts for ronald cummings.
I really do.

i agree with your entire post.....every word

[willow]

Stay tuned. 2/18 - 2/20. The answers are coming.:biggrin:

Can you tell us a little more? ..please

[RedCherries]

there is no grief at all, in those phone calls with Ronald...none, whatsoever...he's not a parent grieving over the loss of a child, getting close to the 1 year 'anniversary' of her being gone...go take another listen to the call with one of his admirers...it's disgusting, how Haleigh's mentioned like a passing thought...btw, the only reason she's mentioned at ALL, is because someone wrote a letter to him, stating they were sorry about Haleigh....he even comments it was only a 4 sentence letter....grief?....no

jmo

Mel that is so disturbing to me as well. It was a glaring emptiness, his taped phone calls. The lack of discussion of his kids. Hey, it hurt me to listen to that.

And, I wanted to know who is this chick in Texas, and then I thought does she have Haleigh? Who is she? Just someone who was following the case who is trying to HIT on RC? I'm not sure if she is a plant or a follower; one who writes to prisoners for love.....she mentioned her situation a few times, and made it sound like she was locked in her room. RC of course couldn't bare that; HIS cell was more accurate of a cell. He continually turns the conversation back to me me me.
As soon as it's about any one else, he tunes out, I can almost picture him going blank in the eyes. KWIM?

I just want them all to come clean, literally. Today. No more nonsense.

[AmazinGrace]

I think the marriage was a huge mistake with a lot of meaning behind it.

I do think that rc thought there would be a marital privilege, and that implicates him in my mind. But he was mistaken and he didn't know the law.

Again; it's knowledge that trumped him in this case. I do think that LE is going to break him. I do think that after several months in jail a day long interrogation will break him. If he ever loved this child, he will tell the truth, tooth ache or not.

Hank Sr was right, the truth has to come out. When he said to Misty, I don't know why you didn't just come forward, I took issue with that.

Everyone, do you KWIM? It was an admission of sorts, if you examine what he said. Misty knows. She may be the key, but I think that key will unlock a hell of sorts for ronald cummings.
I really do.I do too. Misty's mother also said she believes Misty knows more than she's told LE. I think they know she knows but I don't think they know what she knows, if that makes sense.

[panman]

That's the point, alot of peeps don't see Crystal as a victim, they see her as potentailly someone who could have arranged to have her daughter kidnapped and sent away because of her back child support.

Don't shoot the messenger, its not what I think.

But people do and they are entitled to their own theories and opinions. Just like the peeps who think Ron, Misty, Tommy, Timmy, Cousin Tommy, Greg, or any one of the 45 RSOs that live in a 5 mile radius of the home, or the one who has been missing for over a year now, Chad Reynolds, could be involved. Or an RSO no one knows about.

The people who are in jail are in jail for dealing drugs. Not for what happened to Haleigh.

thank YOU!.....you keep it real, DQ, & have such a way with words!

[5boxersmom]

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-02-07/story/a_year_since_haleigh_vanished_ronald_and_misty_los t_their_way_long_ago_1

Some photo's I don't remember seeing before. What do you all think of photo 7?

jmo

[RedCherries]

Yes, there certainly have been plenty of comments about that.

Can anyone who thinks there is plausibility in the theory that someone on the Sheffield/Griffis came & stole Haleigh connect the theoretical dots on how that action caused Misty to show such a high percentage of deception in her answers on her LDT?

The day I read/hear something that offers up a believable, rational scenario that does not defy logic or common sense on how Crystal-connected people could steal Haleigh away AND Misty would somehow know & lie about it to LE & on her LDT - I would give it serious thought.

No matter what the theories are, the one sure thing they have to accomplish is making the connection on how the perpetrator's actions contributed to Misty's miserable failure on the LDT.

Make that connection if you believe there is reason to think for more than 5 minutes that Crystal's side of the family came & took Haleigh.

(not you personally, DC!)

JMO
Excellent MIMI! Thank You! There IS no connection! That connection just cannot be made by me at this time. I've tried too.
Great Post Mimi thank you for a well thought out post.

Maybe Misty failed the test because she wasn't really there. I mean, it's very possible to me after this weekend that these kids were left alone that night. I had never considered it! I was too caught up in he said she said, it was like a light bulb went off for me. I think it was GS's conversation with RC. Something made me think wait a minute here, just what is she so worried about RC saying?

Man, I hope that the FBI comes into this and leans on them with their best. I am 100% they will not be able to handle that. Not with a FBI interrogation. They won't be able to make 2 + 2 = their
Someone stole my child outta my bed. It does NOT add UP.

But RC wants you to believe that, and so does his family. They want you to believe this is a missing child case just as badly as the A's wanted the public to believe Caylee was missing. I see no difference at this point.

[datacop]

Yes, there certainly have been plenty of comments about that.

Can anyone who thinks there is plausibility in the theory that someone on the Sheffield/Griffis came & stole Haleigh connect the theoretical dots on how that action caused Misty to show such a high percentage of deception in her answers on her LDT?

The day I read/hear something that offers up a believable, rational scenario that does not defy logic or common sense on how Crystal-connected people could steal Haleigh away AND Misty would somehow know & lie about it to LE & on her LDT - I would give it serious thought.

No matter what the theories are, the one sure thing they have to accomplish is making the connection on how the perpetrator's actions contributed to Misty's miserable failure on the LDT.

Make that connection if you believe there is reason to think for more than 5 minutes that Crystal's side of the family came & took Haleigh.

(not you personally, DC!)

JMO


I doubt I've gotten to 2 minutes other than wishing it was so. That's absolutely the only way I'd believe she is alive, safe, and happy.

[M*KAY]

there is no grief at all, in those phone calls with Ronald...none, whatsoever...he's not a parent grieving over the loss of a child, getting close to the 1 year 'anniversary' of her being gone...go take another listen to the call with one of his admirers...it's disgusting, how Haleigh's mentioned like a passing thought...btw, the only reason she's mentioned at ALL, is because someone wrote a letter to him, stating they were sorry about Haleigh....he even comments it was only a 4 sentence letter....grief?....no

jmo

I rest my case. :sad:

[Shameonme]

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The people who are in jail are in jail for dealing drugs. Not for what happened to Haleigh.



If that was true their bails would not be as high as they are. Some people have lower bails for Manslaughter, Bank Robbery, Aggravated Assault, just to name a few. $3,900 drug sales does not warrant that kind of bail imho. I think LE whats them right where they are for a missing child.

[AmazinGrace]

If that was true their bails would not be as high as they are. Some people have lower bails for Manslaughter, Bank Robbery, Aggravated Assault, just to name a few. $3,900 drug sales does not warrant that kind of bail imho. I think LE whats them right where they are for a missing child.Exactly. That should be pretty obvious.

[panman]

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-02-07/story/a_year_since_haleigh_vanished_ronald_and_misty_los t_their_way_long_ago_1

Some photo's I don't remember seeing before. What do you all think of photo 7?

jmo

What is that on Crystals right shoulder, photo 6?

[M*KAY]

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-02-07/story/a_year_since_haleigh_vanished_ronald_and_misty_los t_their_way_long_ago_1

Some photo's I don't remember seeing before. What do you all think of photo 7?

jmo

Ron looks like he is in shock in #10.

MOO

[RedCherries]

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-02-07/story/a_year_since_haleigh_vanished_ronald_and_misty_los t_their_way_long_ago_1

Some photo's I don't remember seeing before. What do you all think of photo 7?

jmo

Well, 6 is a beautiful photo they are almost twins! It is a lovely photo of grief and pain, actually. Misty sitting there looks cold as ice to me.

RC is worried about judgement. This also, goes without saying. He has posted it on his truck, so that is bothering him, A Lot I would say....

Tommy's eyes really bother me, when he does look up that is....when he is not hanging his head down. His body language does bother me.

Misty is not brilliant by any means but she has made LE look like keystone cops. I do think this btw. And I think that made LE mad. I also think the lack of convictions in RC's background were suspect. I do think that TN has been pulling strings for RC for a long time. That will now stop. No more "privilege" there if you ask me!

The fact they both had on sunglasses, they were high and purposefully hid their eyes from others in the public and press that day. When an addict does this, it always sticks out like a sore thumb! They are usually fooling No One. This is my opinion, that they were hiding their addictions even then. The most interesting photo is of RC and TN to me. TN looks giddy, RC looks like he really doesn't want to be there.
Every picture, tells a story, baby. Isn't that what Rod said?

[Tracian]

What is that on Crystals right shoulder, photo 6?


Looks like a tattoo.

[M*KAY]

What is that on Crystals right shoulder, photo 6?

I won't type what we call it, but a tat looks like to me.

MOO

[Melster]

I doubt I've gotten to 2 minutes other than wishing it was so. That's absolutely the only way I'd believe she is alive, safe, and happy.

same here...there's never been a connection, otherwise

[5boxersmom]

I know a photo is only a second in time but I think Misty looks very defiant in photo 7. I think she has been all along.

jmo imo

[Melster]

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-02-07/story/a_year_since_haleigh_vanished_ronald_and_misty_los t_their_way_long_ago_1

Some photo's I don't remember seeing before. What do you all think of photo 7?

jmo

it looks like Misty's relaxing smoking a cig on RC's truck:confused:

[DramaQueen]

If that was true their bails would not be as high as they are. Some people have lower bails for Manslaughter, Bank Robbery, Aggravated Assault, just to name a few. $3,900 drug sales does not warrant that kind of bail imho. I think LE whats them right where they are for a missing child.


I agree with you. But they have not been charged in Haleigh's case. Not yet.

[Melster]

I agree with you. But they have not been charged in Haleigh's case. Not yet.

i agree also..they're where they are because of Haleigh, no doubt in my mind....

[Motomom]

:rose:So a year ago today little HaLeigh was sitting in school and none of us had heard of her or her family.

I can't believe tomorrow will be a year I was watching Caylee's memorial service and heard about HaLeigh. I never dreamed looking for HaLeigh would last for a year.

:rose:

Me either Boxersmom.. She was probably riled up to come home from school right about now.. last yr.. she had no idea what her fate would become.. So sad for Haleigh today.

[Shameonme]

I agree with you. But they have not been charged in Haleigh's case. Not yet.

In case they can bring charges against them they will know right where to find them. As RedCherries said cases have been brought before without finding remains of a missing person.

[Mimi428]

I do too. Misty's mother also said she believes Misty knows more than she's told LE. I think they know she knows but I don't think they know what she knows, if that makes sense.

I know what you mean, AG.

I think it is likely that most everyone in Misty's family believes what LE has said repeatedly about Misty - that she knows things she is not telling.

However, I think some, if not all of them, have no clue on what she COULD be saying, but hasn't said. All they are clinging to is the hope that there is something she could say, but they don't know what that 'something' specifically is.

Tommy may know what the specific information is that she is withholding, but I'm not overly confident about that.

Her parents, IMO, don't know what it actually is, but are probably pretty sure it has to do with drugs.

All JMO

[Elle]

What is that on Crystals right shoulder, photo 6?

Click on the picture, then you can click in the center of the arrows to enlarge it. It is clearly a tattoo. IMO it is Haleigh's name.

[DramaQueen]

In case they can bring charges against them they will know right where to find them. As RedCherries said cases have been brought before without finding remains of a missing person.

they are few and far between and difficult to prove. Look what happened when they charged Hussani Campbell's foster parents, they had to let them go and they are walking free right now.

I want them to have enough evidence to lock them away for a very long time, I don't want any slipups or mistakes, no one will get a second chance at this.