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[marinewife5]

new thread...old one over 1000 posts

[Anakerie]

lol, I typed away over on the other thread while Marinewife made a new thread to post in.. So I'll bring my post here if anyone would be interested in reading it:

Stepping out of lurk mode for a few moments. I'm trying to understand why some folks seem to think that since we post on a message board or write on a blog we should somehow be "impartial" and give Casey, George, Cindy or any other person involved/accused of a crime the benefit of the doubt and proclaim them "innocent until proven guilty" every time we dissect a piece of evidence, a document or a statement of some kind.

I don't understand at all. As bloggers and message board posters, we follow a case from start to finish a lot of times. And a lot of those times, we see evidence and read documents that the jury will never see for one reason or another. We may look up the criminal history of someone involved and learn more about the person who stands accused. The prosecution may not use it, or it may be inadmissible for some reason. We see it, we read it, we debate over it for days, weeks or even longer. We are not on a jury for the trial for that person. We are observers and as such, we are not held to that "innocent until proven guilty" line that the court system is.

Why is it so objectionable to some that we read, observe, discuss, debate and form opinions about the accused? Why do those who object to our forming opinions label the ones who disagree with their opinion as lynch mobs or worse? Most of us on here will NEVER be called for jury duty in Orlando. For one huge reason. We don't LIVE in Orlando! So we sit here at our computers all over the country/world and read, observe, discuss and debate and we form our own opinions. No lynching, no mobs throwing coins at the Anthony garage, no yelling "baby killer" in the street outside the Anthony home. Somehow I feel that the majority of us on this message board at least wouldn't have been on Hope Spring Drive way back when Casey was out of jail on bail. If we had been out there, we'd have missed the numerous reports from the reporters telling us what kind of evidence or statements were being made....... lol..

[marinewife5]

Stepping out of lurk mode for a few moments. I'm trying to understand why some folks seem to think that since we post on a message board or write on a blog we should somehow be "impartial" and give Casey, George, Cindy or any other person involved/accused of a crime the benefit of the doubt and proclaim them "innocent until proven guilty" every time we dissect a piece of evidence, a document or a statement of some kind.

I don't understand at all. As bloggers and message board posters, we follow a case from start to finish a lot of times. And a lot of those times, we see evidence and read documents that the jury will never see for one reason or another. We may look up the criminal history of someone involved and learn more about the person who stands accused. The prosecution may not use it, or it may be inadmissible for some reason. We see it, we read it, we debate over it for days, weeks or even longer. We are not on a jury for the trial for that person. We are observers and as such, we are not held to that "innocent until proven guilty" line that the court system is.

Why is it so objectionable to some that we read, observe, discuss, debate and form opinions about the accused? Why do those who object to our forming opinions label the ones who disagree with their opinion as lynch mobs or worse? Most of us on here will NEVER be called for jury duty in Orlando. For one huge reason. We don't LIVE in Orlando! So we sit here at our computers all over the country/world and read, observe, discuss and debate and we form our own opinions. No lynching, no mobs throwing coins at the Anthony garage, no yelling "baby killer" in the street outside the Anthony home. Somehow I feel that the majority of us on this message board at least wouldn't have been on Hope Spring Drive way back when Casey was out of jail on bail. If we had been out there, we'd have missed the numerous reports from the reporters telling us what kind of evidence or statements were being made....... lol

bringing this over from the previous thread.

ITA

it is so important for us to remember that we are not jurors in this case. and that this board, while not for slander, is for the purpose of justice for the victim. there is no reason to hold back our opinions as long as they follow the TOS of this board.

casey makes casey look guilty, not us and not the media.

jmo

[marinewife5]

lol, I typed away over on the other thread while Marinewife made a new thread to post in.. So I'll bring my post here if anyone would be interested in reading it:

Stepping out of lurk mode for a few moments. I'm trying to understand why some folks seem to think that since we post on a message board or write on a blog we should somehow be "impartial" and give Casey, George, Cindy or any other person involved/accused of a crime the benefit of the doubt and proclaim them "innocent until proven guilty" every time we dissect a piece of evidence, a document or a statement of some kind.

I don't understand at all. As bloggers and message board posters, we follow a case from start to finish a lot of times. And a lot of those times, we see evidence and read documents that the jury will never see for one reason or another. We may look up the criminal history of someone involved and learn more about the person who stands accused. The prosecution may not use it, or it may be inadmissible for some reason. We see it, we read it, we debate over it for days, weeks or even longer. We are not on a jury for the trial for that person. We are observers and as such, we are not held to that "innocent until proven guilty" line that the court system is.

Why is it so objectionable to some that we read, observe, discuss, debate and form opinions about the accused? Why do those who object to our forming opinions label the ones who disagree with their opinion as lynch mobs or worse? Most of us on here will NEVER be called for jury duty in Orlando. For one huge reason. We don't LIVE in Orlando! So we sit here at our computers all over the country/world and read, observe, discuss and debate and we form our own opinions. No lynching, no mobs throwing coins at the Anthony garage, no yelling "baby killer" in the street outside the Anthony home. Somehow I feel that the majority of us on this message board at least wouldn't have been on Hope Spring Drive way back when Casey was out of jail on bail. If we had been out there, we'd have missed the numerous reports from the reporters telling us what kind of evidence or statements were being made....... lol..

you put it so nice, we posted it twice! i didn't see that you brought it over!

methinks many posters here took exception to being referred to as a "lynch mob"

jmo

[puzzler]

bringing this over from the previous thread.

ITA

it is so important for us to remember that we are not jurors in this case. and that this board, while not for slander, is for the purpose of justice for the victim. there is no reason to hold back our opinions as long as they follow the TOS of this board.

casey makes casey look guilty, not us and not the media.

jmo

BBM Amen to that!

It still boggles my mind that anyone who has followed this case could even for a second think Casey is innocent.

[marinewife5]

BBM Amen to that!

It still boggles my mind that anyone who has followed this case could even for a second think Casey is innocent.

it is easy to buy the defense spiel if you only follow once in a blue moon, imo

eta: fortunately, jurors will hear it all, not just defense blah blah blah

[puzzler]

it is easy to buy the defense spiel if you only follow once in a blue moon, imo

eta: fortunately, jurors will hear it all, not just defense blah blah blah

I was just sitting here thinking about Cindy and how many times she has screwed up.

Example: She and Casey sit down and get on the computer and issue a Caylee is missing mass message to all Casey's friends. If I remember right, it goes out through Myspace. Later, Cindy says that Casey is lying because she is scared for Caylee and the family. Doh! And Cindy expects everyone to believe her anyway.:blink:

[Anakerie]

you put it so nice, we posted it twice! i didn't see that you brought it over!

methinks many posters here took exception to being referred to as a "lynch mob"

jmo
I know I'm not a part of any "lynch mob". Nor would I ever take part in something like that. I object to someone throwing labels on everyone who disagrees with their "opinion", no matter WHAT the opinion is.

I do, however, feel that Casey Anthony is responsible for the death of Caylee. I also believe that Cindy, George and Lee are guilty of perjury and obstruction at the very least. That is just my OPINION. I've read 99% of the document dumps, I've watched 99% of the hearings and I've formed my own opinion of Casey's guilt. 31 days. I don't care if Kronk spotted the bag that was thrown in the swamp previous to his seeing that tiny skull with the duct tape on it. I can't get past the 31 days of Casey watching movies, snuggling up to a boyfriend, partying, dancing and all the rest while her daughter was "missing". I do NOT believe Caylee was ever truely missing. Casey knew exactly where Caylee was.

[marinewife5]

I was just sitting here thinking about Cindy and how many times she has screwed up.

Example: She and Casey sit down and get on the computer and issue a Caylee is missing mass message to all Casey's friends. If I remember right, it goes out through Myspace. Later, Cindy says that Casey is lying because she is scared for Caylee and the family. Doh! And Cindy expects everyone to believe her anyway.:blink:

there were so many contradictions in the early part of this case, they are too numerous to mention. how could they not think that no one would remember previous statements/actions. it's on video for crying out loud! it certainly reflects on the main concern of this family, imo. that was NOT caylee, that's for sure.

jmo

[marinewife5]

I know I'm not a part of any "lynch mob". Nor would I ever take part in something like that. I object to someone throwing labels on everyone who disagrees with their "opinion", no matter WHAT the opinion is.

I do, however, feel that Casey Anthony is responsible for the death of Caylee. I also believe that Cindy, George and Lee are guilty of perjury and obstruction at the very least. That is just my OPINION. I've read 99% of the document dumps, I've watched 99% of the hearings and I've formed my own opinion of Casey's guilt. 31 days. I don't care if Kronk spotted the bag that was thrown in the swamp previous to his seeing that tiny skull with the duct tape on it. I can't get past the 31 days of Casey watching movies, snuggling up to a boyfriend, partying, dancing and all the rest while her daughter was "missing". I do NOT believe Caylee was ever truely missing. Casey knew exactly where Caylee was.

exactly. no matter how many alleged "wrongs" the defense throws out there, none of them make casey "right"

jmo

[puzzler]

there were so many contradictions in the early part of this case, they are too numerous to mention. how could they not think that no one would remember previous statements/actions. it's on video for crying out loud! it certainly reflects on the main concern of this family, imo. that was NOT caylee, that's for sure.

jmo

BBM This is my point exactly. And you are right, the concern was not for Caylee. I guess that is why so many of us feel so strongly. As has been said many times before, not one of us would have expected the A's to abandon Casey, but they didn't have to abandon Caylee. They could have told the truth and helped Casey own up to what happened. For all they know, Casey may have gotten something way less than life or the DP, and now, with their "help" she will definitely IMO get at least LWOP. I think Cindy, especially, has only helped to seal Casey's fate. Some would say that maybe that was Cindy's plan all along, but I don't believe it. However, I do not doubt that Cindy will find her life easier for not having to deal with Casey.

We all have some dysfunction in our families, but the A's take the prize IMO.

[desmom]

Yes the jurors will hear it all and imo as soon as they hear the things Casey did and didn't do, they will sit in the jury box looking like this :scared:.

Good Morning All!

I agree Elyshias!

A few things that will make the jury :scared: :

Casey's behavior during those 31 days. The defense may say she trusted the Nanny. On the other hand, Casey did not call police because she was afraid. Which is it?

Casey's lies to LE once they learned Caylee was missing. I can't think of any way for the defense to explain Casey's lies. They might try Casey was still afraid, but why tell LE lies. Obviously Casey was not having any luck in the past month tracking down Nanny. Why not bring in LE and their resources?

No phone calls, emails or text messages to or from anyone identified as Zenaida, Zenaida's mother, roommates or sister during those 31 days.

jmo

[ellegna]

Good Morning All!

I agree Elyshias!

A few things that will make the jury :scared: :

Casey's behavior during those 31 days. The defense may say she trusted the Nanny. On the other hand, Casey did not call police because she was afraid. Which is it?

Casey's lies to LE once they learned Caylee was missing. I can't think of any way for the defense to explain Casey's lies. They might try Casey was still afraid, but why tell LE lies. Obviously Casey was not having any luck in the past month tracking down Nanny. Why not bring in LE and their resources?

No phone calls, emails or text messages to or from anyone identified as Zenaida, Zenaida's mother, roommates or sister during those 31 days.

jmo

Morning :seeya:

bbm

Or pictures. Casey was obviously a camera enthusiast who took hundreds of pictures yet there is not one of Zanny or her little dog that Cindy said Caylee loved.

[ellegna]

Yes the jurors will hear it all and imo as soon as they hear the things Casey did and didn't do, they will sit in the jury box looking like this :scared:.

I recall the night NG aired the story. I was just leaving the room when I heard "toddler missing in Florida and mother did not report for 31 days".
I did a :scared: and came right back to watch. First thing that entered my mind was Casey did something horrible to Caylee.

IMO. the 31 days will be a key factor grabbing the jury's attention

[MissouriGMom]

I recall the night NG aired the story. I was just leaving the room when I heard "toddler missing in Florida and mother did not report for 31 days".
I did a :scared: and came right back to watch. First thing that entered my mind was Casey did something horrible to Caylee.

IMO. the 31 days will be a key factor grabbing the jury's attention

Morning!

That's just what I thought when I heard about little Caylee. Then when I watched that first bond hearing and listened to the testimony about the smell in the car and the cadaver dogs hitting on the trunk, well that was it for me. It's just been getting worse and worse for Casey. She'll be in a cell until the day she dies. moo

[desmom]

Morning :seeya:

bbm

Or pictures. Casey was obviously a camera enthusiast who took hundreds of pictures yet there is not one of Zanny or her little dog that Cindy said Caylee loved.

How could I forget the lack of pictures? :punch:

Also, the family's handwritten statements given to LE on the first night: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080375/0825-Casey-Anthony-Documents-released-part-1

Casey - page 31 - "On June 9, 2008, between 9 am and 1 pm, I took Caylee to the Sawgrass Apartments"
Yet Caylee was at the nursing home on June 15, 2008. She did not know what day her daughter was kidnapped? What is up with the 4 hour time span? She wrote after she dropped Caylee off with Zanny, she "proceeded to head to my place of employment, Universal Studios Orlando." She don't know what time she had to go to work? Oh wait, she didn't have a job!

She also wrote, "Caylee was wearing a pink shirt, with jean shorts, white sneakers and her was pulled back in a ponytail." Hmmm, they found a pink shirt with Caylee's remains.

Lee's statement - page 35 - He wrote, "She claimed she's been searching". IMO, it sounds like Lee was not buying what Casey was saying.

Cindy's statement - page 37 - does not even mention the nanny. Hmm, didn't Cindy say she had the nanny's phone number and address and she has heard of the nanny for a couple of years? Why wouldn't she mention the nanny in her handwritten statement to LE? Could it be because Cindy was not buying Casey's story either?

George's statement - page 39 - "and told me that Caylee Marie (our granddaughter) was missing, taken a month ago, by a person by the name of Zany". I get the impression George did not know or had never heard the name Zany before that day.

jmo

[LadyHam]

lol, I typed away over on the other thread while Marinewife made a new thread to post in.. So I'll bring my post here if anyone would be interested in reading it:

Stepping out of lurk mode for a few moments. I'm trying to understand why some folks seem to think that since we post on a message board or write on a blog we should somehow be "impartial" and give Casey, George, Cindy or any other person involved/accused of a crime the benefit of the doubt and proclaim them "innocent until proven guilty" every time we dissect a piece of evidence, a document or a statement of some kind.

I don't understand at all. As bloggers and message board posters, we follow a case from start to finish a lot of times. And a lot of those times, we see evidence and read documents that the jury will never see for one reason or another. We may look up the criminal history of someone involved and learn more about the person who stands accused. The prosecution may not use it, or it may be inadmissible for some reason. We see it, we read it, we debate over it for days, weeks or even longer. We are not on a jury for the trial for that person. We are observers and as such, we are not held to that "innocent until proven guilty" line that the court system is.

Why is it so objectionable to some that we read, observe, discuss, debate and form opinions about the accused? Why do those who object to our forming opinions label the ones who disagree with their opinion as lynch mobs or worse? Most of us on here will NEVER be called for jury duty in Orlando. For one huge reason. We don't LIVE in Orlando! So we sit here at our computers all over the country/world and read, observe, discuss and debate and we form our own opinions. No lynching, no mobs throwing coins at the Anthony garage, no yelling "baby killer" in the street outside the Anthony home. Somehow I feel that the majority of us on this message board at least wouldn't have been on Hope Spring Drive way back when Casey was out of jail on bail. If we had been out there, we'd have missed the numerous reports from the reporters telling us what kind of evidence or statements were being made....... lol..



Just had to say that this is an excellent post! Very well said!:thumbup: You bring up such a great point that they only place that the "innocent until proven guilty" phrase means anything is in a court of law. I remember that the last time that JB appeared on JVM (which I think was the day when Casey plead guilty to the fraud charges), JB commented on how she is innocent until proven guilty. One of the TH's (I think Mark Eiglarsh) brought up the very same point that you did, that the innocent until proven guilty only applies to a court of law. I like Mark Eiglarsh as a TH because even though he is a defense attorney he tells it like it is and he doesn't always wear his 'defense attorney hat' when speaking out on these shows. Anyway, my whole point is that I agree wholeheartedly w/you!:thumbsup:

[Emma's Ma]

Just had to say that this is an excellent post! Very well said!:thumbup: You bring up such a great point that they only place that the "innocent until proven guilty" phrase means anything is in a court of law. I remember that the last time that JB appeared on JVM (which I think was the day when Casey plead guilty to the fraud charges), JB commented on how she is innocent until proven guilty. One of the TH's (I think Mark Eiglarsh) brought up the very same point that you did, that the innocent until proven guilty only applies to a court of law. I like Mark Eiglarsh as a TH because even though he is a defense attorney he tells it like it is and he doesn't always wear his 'defense attorney hat' when speaking out on these shows. Anyway, my whole point is that I agree wholeheartedly w/you!:thumbsup:

bbm
I really like Mark E. too. He used to be a prosecuter, so he can really give perspective from both sides!! He is a no bull kind of guy!!! We need more TH's like him!! :thumbsup:......jmo

[Lexi]

I recall the night NG aired the story. I was just leaving the room when I heard "toddler missing in Florida and mother did not report for 31 days".
I did a :scared: and came right back to watch. First thing that entered my mind was Casey did something horrible to Caylee.

IMO. the 31 days will be a key factor grabbing the jury's attention

I couldn't agree more. It was the 31 days that grabbed my attention and made me immediately think that C and G needed to corner Casey and force her to talk about where their grandbaby was. Anything less than that isn't acceptable. Why pussyfoot around her in jail? Why pussyfoot around her while she makes a website? Grab the girl by her hair and force her to talk!!

MOO!

[LadyHam]

BBM This is my point exactly. And you are right, the concern was not for Caylee. I guess that is why so many of us feel so strongly. As has been said many times before, not one of us would have expected the A's to abandon Casey, but they didn't have to abandon Caylee. They could have told the truth and helped Casey own up to what happened. For all they know, Casey may have gotten something way less than life or the DP, and now, with their "help" she will definitely IMO get at least LWOP. I think Cindy, especially, has only helped to seal Casey's fate. Some would say that maybe that was Cindy's plan all along, but I don't believe it. However, I do not doubt that Cindy will find her life easier for not having to deal with Casey.

We all have some dysfunction in our families, but the A's take the prize IMO.

I so agree w/you. If Casey, her parents, her brother, and her defense attorneys would have cooperated w/LE from the very beginning, Casey would be looking at much less jail time than she will ultimately get. I think they all were and are still trying to get her off scott free, but in the process they will just ensure her conviction. The chance, even from the very beginning, that Casey would get off scott free was slim to none, and yet that is what they all seem to be working towards. They have put themselves into a really bad position and even if Casey doesn't get the DP or LWOP, she will spend most of her life in prison. They all took a gamble and I think they all blew it.

[LadyHam]

I recall the night NG aired the story. I was just leaving the room when I heard "toddler missing in Florida and mother did not report for 31 days".
I did a :scared: and came right back to watch. First thing that entered my mind was Casey did something horrible to Caylee.

IMO. the 31 days will be a key factor grabbing the jury's attention

Bolding by me....

I so agree w/you, and there is really no way that the defense has to refute that. They won't put Casey on the stand, so how will they refute the 31 days or Casey's other reprehensible behavior?

[LadyHam]

bbm
I really like Mark E. too. He used to be a prosecuter, so he can really give perspective from both sides!! He is a no bull kind of guy!!! We need more TH's like him!! :thumbsup:......jmo

Yes he is! I also don't think that he is buying any of Casey's or her defense team's story. I remember him saying once while he was a TH on the Prime News show on HLN, that he would NEVER have taken on the Casey Anthony case.

[artdonkey]

I couldn't agree more. It was the 31 days that grabbed my attention and made me immediately think that C and G needed to corner Casey and force her to talk about where their grandbaby was. Anything less than that isn't acceptable. Why pussyfoot around her in jail? Why pussyfoot around her while she makes a website? Grab the girl by her hair and force her to talk!!

MOO!

I have always felt there is some family secret that CA knows and somehow holds as a trump card. Who knows. Remember in one of those video jailhouse visits Cindy asks if someone is trying to hurt our family and Casey says don't worry I didn't tell them anything.

[Lexi]

I have always felt there is some family secret that CA knows and somehow holds as a trump card. Who knows. Remember in one of those video jailhouse visits Cindy asks if someone is trying to hurt our family and Casey says don't worry I didn't tell them anything.

Yep.....I have always wondered what the heck she meant by that. Seems like a weird thing to say. And, if there wasn't anything to "cover up," why wouldn't Cindy have responded, "what do you mean you haven't told them anything? Anything about what?"

[really3997]

So how soon after you have a trial is the Clerk site updated. Waiting patiently. :loveeyes:

[puzzler]

So how soon after you have a trial is the Clerk site updated. Waiting patiently. :loveeyes:

Me, too, Really. I can't find anything about it anywhere.:sad:

[really3997]

Me, too, Really. I can't find anything about it anywhere.:sad:

WFTV came in with a promo Sunday night that they would be covering the "TRIAL" never said if it was streaming live which I figured they wouldn't. But come on.... We might have to wait for the 12:00 news. I have my friend tuning in at home just in case. :wink:

[Emma's Ma]

Hi all...I was on Facebook the other day and was chattting with an acquaintance...I mentioned that I was engrossed in this case...He responded that the state didn't really have any evidence...?? I said there was a TON of eveidence...I mentioned that she did not report her baby missing for 31 days, was out partying, and got a new tat, bella vita which means beautiful life...He wrote back...Fry the B*****!!! I guess my point....just that little bit of evidence I shared convinced him, that she was guilty!!! JMO...of course

I had to share...I forget we are so involved, that it seems obvious to us...Here was an opinion of someone in a small town in PA. changed his mind, hearing just those 3 little tidbits of the facts of the case....

[Emma's Ma]

Yes he is! I also don't think that he is buying any of Casey's or her defense team's story. I remember him saying once while he was a TH on the Prime News show on HLN, that he would NEVER have taken on the Casey Anthony case.

He also laughs at the "zanny the nanny" defense...lol He wouldn't touch that case and if he did, he sure would have taken a much different approach!! jmo :biggrin:

[trich]

BBM Amen to that!

It still boggles my mind that anyone who has followed this case could even for a second think Casey is innocent.

Exactly.
I think I posted those same thoughts yesterday myself.
I do think there are many that just like to keep confrontation
going no matter who or what the subject is.
Sort of like if we said the Sun always rises in the East and sets
in the West they would find some way to try and make us
think that was not so.:sad:
Then there are those who think no one is guilty because someone
else made them do it.
We all make our own choices and it is about time we as society accept that and know that actions have reactions and consequences and none of this "he/she made me do it".
IMO the measure of a man/women is how we deal with what life hands us.
We all make mistakes but we also have to learn to live with them one way or another.
Now I am in no way saying Caylee's death was a "mistake" in truth it was a horrible horrible tragedy that there is no excuse for.
If Casey had any kind of remorse she would confess her guilt and throw herself on the mercy of the court.
Then the only mercy I would agree with would be life without parole.
Actually as I have said before that would be fine with me......I want her to live locked up for the rest of her life.

[Emma's Ma]

Exactly.
I think I posted those same thoughts yesterday myself.
I do think there are many that just like to keep confrontation
going no matter who or what the subject is.
Sort of like if we said the Sun always rises in the East and sets
in the West they would find some way to try and make us
think that was not so.:sad:
Then there are those who think no one is guilty because someone
else made them do it.
We all make our own choices and it is about time we as society accept that and know that actions have reactions and consequences and none of this "he/she made me do it".
IMO the measure of a man/women is how we deal with what life hands us.
We all make mistakes but we also have to learn to live with them one way or another.
Now I am in no way saying Caylee's death was a "mistake" in truth it was a horrible horrible tragedy that there is no excuse for.
If Casey had any kind of remorse she would confess her guilt and throw herself on the mercy of the court.
Then the only mercy I would agree with would be life without parole.
Actually as I have said before that would be fine with me......I want her to live locked up for the rest of her life.

excellant post!!!! :thumbsup:

[oswald]

I couldn't agree more. It was the 31 days that grabbed my attention and made me immediately think that C and G needed to corner Casey and force her to talk about where their grandbaby was. Anything less than that isn't acceptable. Why pussyfoot around her in jail? Why pussyfoot around her while she makes a website? Grab the girl by her hair and force her to talk!!

MOO!

AGREE but main thing if they did that they would have to face themselves - they lived in a world of mirrors - what grabbed me was yes the 31 days, then hearing the 911 call and Casey saying, give me one more day - I'm thinking one more day for what? What you said you couldn't do in 31 days?

Then came the LE lying, actually walking into Universal and then finally admitting she has no job - what?

It snowballed from then

Her voice showed no signs of stress, no signs of worry

After hearing everything that I have, read everything that I have - I feel that Casey did this all by herself, her family covered it up after that 911 call and they saw LE wasn't buying Casey's lies like they did

There is no way to explain away the 31 days, the partying, the tattoo - she got rid of Caylee so she could have a life of freedom - which has been taken away

[Lexi]

Exactly.
I think I posted those same thoughts yesterday myself.
I do think there are many that just like to keep confrontation
going no matter who or what the subject is.
Sort of like if we said the Sun always rises in the East and sets
in the West they would find some way to try and make us
think that was not so.:sad:
Then there are those who think no one is guilty because someone
else made them do it.
We all make our own choices and it is about time we as society accept that and know that actions have reactions and consequences and none of this "he/she made me do it".
IMO the measure of a man/women is how we deal with what life hands us.
We all make mistakes but we also have to learn to live with them one way or another.
Now I am in no way saying Caylee's death was a "mistake" in truth it was a horrible horrible tragedy that there is no excuse for.
If Casey had any kind of remorse she would confess her guilt and throw herself on the mercy of the court.
Then the only mercy I would agree with would be life without parole.
Actually as I have said before that would be fine with me......I want her to live locked up for the rest of her life.

Ya know, I think Casey's biggest mistake so far was to not say the whole thing was a horrible accident. The police probably would have believed her, she probably would have gotten a light sentence (maybe not even a trial) and this whole thing wouldn't have turned into the circus that it has. She had her chance to take the easy way out, but Casey is too stubborn and egotistical.

[puzzler]

Ya know, I think Casey's biggest mistake so far was to not say the whole thing was a horrible accident. The police probably would have believed her, she probably would have gotten a light sentence (maybe not even a trial) and this whole thing wouldn't have turned into the circus that it has. She had her chance to take the easy way out, but Casey is too stubborn and egotistical.

Good Morning, Lexi, everyone.

I guess the problem with her saying it was an accident was that then she would have had to lead them to the body. I think the tape over Caylee's mouth and nose would have made an accident theory hard for her to pull off. But, being the liar that she is, I suppose she could have tried to explain that.:ohmy:

[sydney]

Ya know, I think Casey's biggest mistake so far was to not say the whole thing was a horrible accident. The police probably would have believed her, she probably would have gotten a light sentence (maybe not even a trial) and this whole thing wouldn't have turned into the circus that it has. She had her chance to take the easy way out, but Casey is too stubborn and egotistical.

morning, all. i would sorta kinda agree to this but, since the cause of caylee's death can't be determined, i would wonder if kc would really be successful claiming accident. what i mean is, if caylee's poor little body was intact, i'm sure an autopsy would have been performed. in that case, what if chloroform was present in caylee's body or ligature marks around her neck, that kind of thing? the fact that kc hid the remains (and triple bagged them) hints to me that a cause of death would be found that would rule out accident.

but that's just me.

[MiamiNice1]

Just had to say that this is an excellent post! Very well said!:thumbup: You bring up such a great point that they only place that the "innocent until proven guilty" phrase means anything is in a court of law. I remember that the last time that JB appeared on JVM (which I think was the day when Casey plead guilty to the fraud charges), JB commented on how she is innocent until proven guilty. One of the TH's (I think Mark Eiglarsh) brought up the very same point that you did, that the innocent until proven guilty only applies to a court of law. I like Mark Eiglarsh as a TH because even though he is a defense attorney he tells it like it is and he doesn't always wear his 'defense attorney hat' when speaking out on these shows. Anyway, my whole point is that I agree wholeheartedly w/you!:thumbsup:

BBM - I had to comment on (the great looking :wub:) Mark Eiglarsh!

I'll never forget - around the time Casey's first death penalty lawyer who resigned first wrote that hypothetical scenario about an "accidental death," (back in November 2008?) Mark Eiglarsh was the FIRST to forcefully and clearly say that after everything that had gone on up to that point, if HE were trying this case, he would take Casey Anthony PRONTO for psychiatric/medical exams to plead some sort of "mental" deficiency.

I STILL think this would have been the way to go......also, as well as with many here, that a speedy trial would have been of tremendous benefit to Casey. Casey would have gotten off a lot lighter - now, she's sunk, thanks to Jose's unwise/inexperienced decisions, imo.

[LadyHam]

morning, all. i would sorta kinda agree to this but, since the cause of caylee's death can't be determined, i would wonder if kc would really be successful claiming accident. what i mean is, if caylee's poor little body was intact, i'm sure an autopsy would have been performed. in that case, what if chloroform was present in caylee's body or ligature marks around her neck, that kind of thing? the fact that kc hid the remains (and triple bagged them) hints to me that a cause of death would be found that would rule out accident.

but that's just me.

But, by the time Cindy called 911 and LE was brought into this case, Caylee's poor little body would have completely decomposed by then. I agree w/a previous poster that Casey could have tried to explain away the duct tape by saying that she panicked after the accident and then put the duct tape on Caylee to make it look like someone else did it in case Caylee's remains were found right away. I think Casey would have had a chance then, and LE would have probably believed her. But, I am glad that it didn't play out that way because I do not believe that Caylee's death was an accident. In the beginning I gave it a thought or two, but now I don't think so. She would have gotten so much less jail time than she ultimately is going to get. It was big mistake on her part and on her defense team's part. I see them all going down in a very big way once this case goes to trial. I wonder if Casey is sorry now that she didn't try to go w/an accident scenario? It is too late to do that now, that ship sailed a long time ago.

[really3997]

In cases like this I always form an opinion right away and then wait to be proven wrong...OK that might not be right...but that's just me...So far that knee jerk reaction has served me well over the years...


The 31 days is paramount...and thank God LE got to Casey and they had there little 3 hour tour of Universal, apartments, locations, homes...etc. and gathered all those early lies before Casey could lawyer up...if there turns out to be no smoking gun...these are the things that will do her in...

I agree RepRap :wink: I also think the interviews George/Cindy/Lee did in the beginning will do them in. JMO or wishful hoping.

[sydney]

But, by the time Cindy called 911 and LE was brought into this case, Caylee's poor little body would have completely decomposed by then. I agree w/a previous poster that Casey could have tried to explain away the duct tape by saying that she panicked after the accident and then put the duct tape on Caylee to make it look like someone else did it in case Caylee's remains were found right away. I think Casey would have had a chance then, and LE would have probably believed her. But, I am glad that it didn't play out that way because I do not believe that Caylee's death was an accident. In the beginning I gave it a thought or two, but now I don't think so. She would have gotten so much less jail time than she ultimately is going to get. It was big mistake on her part and on her defense team's part. I see them all going down in a very big way once this case goes to trial. I wonder if Casey is sorry now that she didn't try to go w/an accident scenario? It is too late to do that now, that ship sailed a long time ago.

i'm not disagreeing with you at all. my scenario was one in which kc called an ambulance and said "my daughter is dead - it was an accident" or something along those lines - prior to the duct taping and bagging. i still think that a part of the reason she didn't try that tactic (besides the fact that kc does nothing she feels she is to be held accountable for) is that some forensic evidence would have been discovered that pointed to murder, instead of an accident.

[*MoonRider*]

Something new to read :biggrin: The Google Searches
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/

[Bala]

I recall the night NG aired the story. I was just leaving the room when I heard "toddler missing in Florida and mother did not report for 31 days".
I did a :scared: and came right back to watch. First thing that entered my mind was Casey did something horrible to Caylee.

IMO. the 31 days will be a key factor grabbing the jury's attention

That is exactly what caught my attenytion also. Heard the begining of NG and the missing girl mom doesn't report her misiing for 31 days and said to myself "she's killed her baby". The more I watched the more I scratched my head at the gull of this family. It became apparent early on that Cindy as hiding things and knew full well that Casey did something to this beautiful baby.

[LadyHam]

i'm not disagreeing with you at all. my scenario was one in which kc called an ambulance and said "my daughter is dead - it was an accident" or something along those lines - prior to the duct taping and bagging. i still think that a part of the reason she didn't try that tactic (besides the fact that kc does nothing she feels she is to be held accountable for) is that some forensic evidence would have been discovered that pointed to murder, instead of an accident.

I agree, if it was an accident, then Casey should have called 911 right away. However, it would have interfered w/her plans to go to Blockbusters and rent movies w/TonE and she knew Cindy would be on her back about what a neglectful mother she was. Although at this point, w/all we know, I don't think there are too many of us that believe it was an accident.

I think even though Casey had those 31 days of freedom, she had to know on some level that everything would eventually catch up w/her. I think she was hoping to be perceived as the grieving mother who had her poor baby kidnapped. She blew that scenario right out of the water w/all of her lies and her specifically stating that her "nanny" (invisible or otherwise) was the one who kidnapped Caylee. Casey would have been better off to say that some stranger kidnapped Caylee and that they told her to pretend everything was normal or else they would harm Caylee. Casey also should have done away w/the lies that she actually had a job -- didn't she think that LE would have the resources to check that out? I don't understand how she thought she had a chance to get away w/this. :shrug:

[Lexi]

I agree, if it was an accident, then Casey should have called 911 right away. However, it would have interfered w/her plans to go to Blockbusters and rent movies w/TonE and she knew Cindy would be on her back about what a neglectful mother she was. Although at this point, w/all we know, I don't think there are too many of us that believe it was an accident.

I think even though Casey had those 31 days of freedom, she had to know on some level that everything would eventually catch up w/her. I think she was hoping to be perceived as the grieving mother who had her poor baby kidnapped. She blew that scenario right out of the water w/all of her lies and her specifically stating that her "nanny" (invisible or otherwise) was the one who kidnapped Caylee. Casey would have been better off to say that some stranger kidnapped Caylee and that they told her to pretend everything was normal or else they would harm Caylee. Casey also should have done away w/the lies that she actually had a job -- didn't she think that LE would have the resources to check that out? I don't understand how she thought she had a chance to get away w/this. :shrug:


Well, nobody has ever questioned Casey to get to the bottom of her lies. Ever. I think she thought if mom and dad bought the story, why in the world would anyone else question it?

[sydney]

lady, kc was RAISED to believe that whatever difficulties she would encounter (create for herself), mommy and daddy would make them go away.

[Sun]

That is exactly what caught my attenytion also. Heard the begining of NG and the missing girl mom doesn't report her misiing for 31 days and said to myself "she's killed her baby". The more I watched the more I scratched my head at the gull of this family. It became apparent early on that Cindy as hiding things and knew full well that Casey did something to this beautiful baby.

31 days. 31 days. Casey was 22 years old, and an adult. Can you imagine what the 911 operator was thinking?

[Bala]

Something new to read :biggrin: The Google Searches
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
If all Lee was doing was picking up Casey's things from Tone's then why did he need to go out to the patrol car while Casey was sitting in it and ask for her passwords. Could Lee have been planning on distroying evidence and if so why unless he already knew Casey had murdered Caylee?

[LadyHam]

lady, kc was RAISED to believe that whatever difficulties she would encounter (create for herself), mommy and daddy would make them go away.

So true.....

[really3997]

lady, kc was RAISED to believe that whatever difficulties she would encounter (create for herself), mommy and daddy would make them go away.

And if that didn't work..... Deny Deny Deny ( formally known as Mistruths & Half truths)

[Bala]

Just had to say that this is an excellent post! Very well said!:thumbup: You bring up such a great point that they only place that the "innocent until proven guilty" phrase means anything is in a court of law. I remember that the last time that JB appeared on JVM (which I think was the day when Casey plead guilty to the fraud charges), JB commented on how she is innocent until proven guilty. One of the TH's (I think Mark Eiglarsh) brought up the very same point that you did, that the innocent until proven guilty only applies to a court of law. I like Mark Eiglarsh as a TH because even though he is a defense attorney he tells it like it is and he doesn't always wear his 'defense attorney hat' when speaking out on these shows. Anyway, my whole point is that I agree wholeheartedly w/you!:thumbsup:
I love Marks point of view. It never seems one sided. I wish NG would have him on it would make her show a lot better. Than if you don't agree with Nancy you get bashed by her.

[marinewife5]

I remember when LE was interviewing Casey at Universal...I believe and she said and acted like she was more afraid of her Mother's reaction to not knowing where Caylee was then she was the police...Of course this was just a lie...like many others...she is not afraid of Cindy IMO...that was just a lame excuse for her not reporting something that happened to her daughter because she was the cause and she didn't want to be bothered with just a pesky little murder when she had plans for the night...you know Blockbuster murder movies and bedtime with TonE...

she did try hard to be that "scared little girl" at that interview, imo. to me, that was very telling of her relationship with caylee....not so much a mother but a big sister. casey never wanted to grow up, and the only reason she didn't hand caylee over to cindy to raise was that she couldn't stand the thought of giving cindy something that would make cindy happy. it all goes back to casey. everything is about casey. too bad for casey that LE and the state don't feel that way. if only she could have conditioned them to be casey-centric like she did with her family. she went through phases of friends because she couldn't convert them to her way of thinking. i do wonder if amy would have pressed charges on the check fraud if casey wasn't already in so much hot water for caylee's disappearance. the friendship would have simply "cooled off" and casey would find her next mark

jmo

[ellegna]

i'm not disagreeing with you at all. my scenario was one in which kc called an ambulance and said "my daughter is dead - it was an accident" or something along those lines - prior to the duct taping and bagging. i still think that a part of the reason she didn't try that tactic (besides the fact that kc does nothing she feels she is to be held accountable for) is that some forensic evidence would have been discovered that pointed to murder, instead of an accident.

Exactly

I would consider a horrible accident if duct tape was not found wrapped around Caylee's head.
If Caylee drowned in the pool, bathtub, or even the Econ River at JBP, why the duct tape?
What if Caylee was left in the car on a hot day and suffocated, why the duct tape?

The only explanation I can come up with it was an accident and involved duct tape is this.
Let's presume there was a horrible fight on June 15th. Caylee witnessed and was crying. Casey left the house taking a very upset Caylee with her. Caylee continues to cry and gets on Casey's nerves. Casey pulls over and wraps duct tape around Caylee's mouth to silence her. The duct tape covers Caylee's mouth/nose and she suffocates. OR. Caylee is now hysterical and throws up. The duct tape prevents the matter in her mouth from being expelled, Caylee chokes.
I can picture Casey panicking at this point and not calling 911. How in heck would she be able to explain the duct tape to police and EMS?
Would this scenario be considered a horrible accident? - Yes
Would it have been negligence causing death on Casey's part? - Yes
Would she have been charged with capital murder? - Most likely not

Casey's la dee da, La Bella Vita attitude and lack of concern, remorse, grief, etc during those 31 days leads me to believe it was not an accident but intentional.

[SandyO]

I love Marks point of view. It never seems one sided. I wish NG would have him on it would make her show a lot better. Than if you don't agree with Nancy you get bashed by her.

Nancy really is rude to her guest pannelists. I wonder if they are forewarned that it is all just a part of the show. There are times when I really want to hear their answers, and Nancy cuts them right off.

[jill collins]

I know I'm not a part of any "lynch mob". Nor would I ever take part in something like that. I object to someone throwing labels on everyone who disagrees with their "opinion", no matter WHAT the opinion is.

I do, however, feel that Casey Anthony is responsible for the death of Caylee. I also believe that Cindy, George and Lee are guilty of perjury and obstruction at the very least. That is just my OPINION. I've read 99% of the document dumps, I've watched 99% of the hearings and I've formed my own opinion of Casey's guilt. 31 days. I don't care if Kronk spotted the bag that was thrown in the swamp previous to his seeing that tiny skull with the duct tape on it. I can't get past the 31 days of Casey watching movies, snuggling up to a boyfriend, partying, dancing and all the rest while her daughter was "missing". I do NOT believe Caylee was ever truely missing. Casey knew exactly where Caylee was.

You are krect. :wink: The presumption of innocence is a legal fiction created for the courtroom. Here in the court of public opinion, we are not required to PRESUME anything.

[Spots©]

Nancy really is rude to her guest pannelists. I wonder if they are forewarned that it is all just a part of the show. There are times when I really want to hear their answers, and Nancy cuts them right off.

It's called the Nancy Grace Show, not Nancy & Guests. The guests are only there as scenery and to give NG someone/something to talk at, and not talk with.

Which is why I no longer watch.

[misslurker]

That is exactly what caught my attenytion also. Heard the begining of NG and the missing girl mom doesn't report her misiing for 31 days and said to myself "she's killed her baby". The more I watched the more I scratched my head at the gull of this family. It became apparent early on that Cindy as hiding things and knew full well that Casey did something to this beautiful baby.

Commander Matt Irwin & Cindy audio conversation (recorded without Cindy's knowledge) was very interesting. An insight into how Cindy was functioning in the early days of the case when Casey was out on bail. She states that a missing child found (not referring to Caylee) because of investigations into missing Caylee 'she'll take that & they're (Family of missing child) lucky, she carries on to say if the searches find a little person...at this point she breaks down..something we don't ever hear of Cindy doing. IMO she knows her Caylee isn't going to be found alive.
She tells the Cmdr that when something negative happens (in the case) she has to do something positive..like following up on tips...
For anyone who hasn't heard this audio it's a must, I found it over at 'Examiner' maybe someone can help with posting a link, sadly that's not one of my fortes! Thank you.

[Bala]

Nancy really is rude to her guest pannelists. I wonder if they are forewarned that it is all just a part of the show. There are times when I really want to hear their answers, and Nancy cuts them right off.

It's the one downfall to the NG show it's her oppion or it's wrong. I find it a complete turnoff. There is no reason for her to be so rude to her guest especial the one that are just as qualified to give an oppion as she is. Her viewers aren't brain dead we can make up our own minds about what to believe and not believe. The one good thing about Mark Eiglash is you really can't tell which side he's on by his comments. He's not pro defense or pro State he just tell's it like he sees it.

[oswald]

31 days. 31 days. Casey was 22 years old, and an adult. Can you imagine what the 911 operator was thinking?

I can't imagine what that 911 operator was thinking - this mother of a supposedly kidnapped child had no panic in her voice - her voice had no inflection, no anger, no worry, nothing

'I was trying to find her, I guess I didn't do a good job' WHAT? didn't do a good job? Geez louis, what REAL mother says that line????

[desmom]

Something new to read :biggrin: The Google Searches
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/

Thanks for the link. Interesting read.

So, the March 19 search for One Tree Hill 100th episode was done at a time George and Cindy were both at work. This episode is about a nanny that kidnaps a child.

And on March 21, the searches for how to make chloroform, how to make chloraform, self defense, household weapons, neck breaking, a visit to a previously linked Google book on self defense for women were also done when George and Cindy were at work.

jmo

[oswald]

My belief? The duct tape was to cover up what she did - duct tape in Casey's mind would make LE believe that Caylee was kidnapped and killed by the kidnappers - the duct tape, in Casey's mind, was because the kidnappers wanted Caylee to shut up

The car with the purse - so it would get stolen - stolen and then police would smell the smell - think of death - both Casey and Caylee missing - but Casey was found, Caylee not - duct tape to make it look like kidnappers

PROBLEM Casey showed no emotion for a mother of a kidnapped child - Casey is convicting Casey - plain and simple

Exactly

I would consider a horrible accident if duct tape was not found wrapped around Caylee's head.
If Caylee drowned in the pool, bathtub, or even the Econ River at JBP, why the duct tape?
What if Caylee was left in the car on a hot day and suffocated, why the duct tape?

The only explanation I can come up with it was an accident and involved duct tape is this.
Let's presume there was a horrible fight on June 15th. Caylee witnessed and was crying. Casey left the house taking a very upset Caylee with her. Caylee continues to cry and gets on Casey's nerves. Casey pulls over and wraps duct tape around Caylee's mouth to silence her. The duct tape covers Caylee's mouth/nose and she suffocates. OR. Caylee is now hysterical and throws up. The duct tape prevents the matter in her mouth from being expelled, Caylee chokes.
I can picture Casey panicking at this point and not calling 911. How in heck would she be able to explain the duct tape to police and EMS?
Would this scenario be considered a horrible accident? - Yes
Would it have been negligence causing death on Casey's part? - Yes
Would she have been charged with capital murder? - Most likely not

Casey's la dee da, La Bella Vita attitude and lack of concern, remorse, grief, etc during those 31 days leads me to believe it was not an accident but intentional.

[LadyHam]

Nancy really is rude to her guest pannelists. I wonder if they are forewarned that it is all just a part of the show. There are times when I really want to hear their answers, and Nancy cuts them right off.

Yes, Nancy can be rude to her guest panelists, but part of me thinks it is part of the show. The regulars that she has on usually are sorta smiling and playing along when she is giving them her reprimand. The newer panelists sort of have the deer caught in the headlights look as Nancy is yelling at them, so you can tell that they are not used to it. Nancy is a feisty one, by I do think that her "yelling" at her guests is part of the show. I think it is probably more scripted than we think it is and the guest panelist are told to expect things like this from Nancy.

[ellegna]

Yes, Nancy can be rude to her guest panelists, but part of me thinks it is part of the show. The regulars that she has on usually are sorta smiling and playing along when she is giving them her reprimand. The newer panelists sort of have the deer caught in the headlights look as Nancy is yelling at them, so you can tell that they are not used to it. Nancy is a feisty one, by I do think that her "yelling" at her guests is part of the show. I think it is probably more scripted than we think it is and the guest panelist are told to expect things like this from Nancy.

I agree it's part of the show too.
If her regular panelists were truly insulted and angered by her rudeness, do you think they would come back time after time for more abuse?

[BlueTurtle]

I recall the night NG aired the story. I was just leaving the room when I heard "toddler missing in Florida and mother did not report for 31 days".
I did a :scared: and came right back to watch. First thing that entered my mind was Casey did something horrible to Caylee.

IMO. the 31 days will be a key factor grabbing the jury's attention

Since this case will take several weeks or more, the Prosecution can relate how much time the jury has been sitting there compared to how long Caylee was reportedly missing by the time police were notified.

[sydney]

Since this case will take several weeks or more, the Prosecution can relate how much time the jury has been sitting there compared to how long Caylee was reportedly missing by the time police were notified.

amazing that kc got the 31 days right (well, after a while anyway), but couldn't remember the exact time she dropped caylee off at the invisi-nanny's house or what time she had to go to her invisi-job.

[cuddlyrunner]

I don't believe it was an accident, I think Casey killed Caylee out of spite after the row with Cindy-that's my opinion.
After seeing how Casey has been since then and reading what her friends have said about her, I am surprised she didn't try to claim an accident and evade responsibility.
My fear is that the defence will persuade her to claim an accident and that the shock brought on a disassociative episode where she doesn't remember what she did.

[Scampi]

Yep, those 31 one days will seal anthony's fate, but there is a cherry on top of this sundae and that is all the documentation of the mother of the year's exploits during those 31 days. Expecially the photos of this accused babykiller dancing the night away in that blue dress, in the hot bod contest.

There is no explaining away that hideous behavior while one's daughter is "missing." :cuss:

[bluwaters]

BBM - I had to comment on (the great looking :wub:) Mark Eiglarsh!

I'll never forget - around the time Casey's first death penalty lawyer who resigned first wrote that hypothetical scenario about an "accidental death," (back in November 2008?) Mark Eiglarsh was the FIRST to forcefully and clearly say that after everything that had gone on up to that point, if HE were trying this case, he would take Casey Anthony PRONTO for psychiatric/medical exams to plead some sort of "mental" deficiency.

I STILL think this would have been the way to go......also, as well as with many here, that a speedy trial would have been of tremendous benefit to Casey. Casey would have gotten off a lot lighter - now, she's sunk, thanks to Jose's unwise/inexperienced decisions, imo.

Hi Miami,
You are correct. The first DP qualified attorney, Terry Lenamon, did want to go with an insanity/mental health issue to explain Casey's actions. He also wanted to claim that it was an accident, and due to Casey's mental state, she was unable to act appropriately. Baez kicked him to the curb before Caylee was found.
I think that Lenamon was Casey's best hope of avoiding a conviction for murder 1.

Judge S did order a 2 mental evaluations of Casey at her bond hearing, each from a different psychiatrist. The results of those evaluations are sealed, although I do believe that the appellate court reviewed them when Casey appealed her extremely high bond.
The purpose of those evaluations was to show if Casey was mentally sound enough to withstand being on trial.
Evidently, the shrinks thought that she was.

I agree with you that as her defense attorney, I would order another psychiatric evaluation to address her state of mind and capability to understand the ramifications of her actions. I don't know if the court ordered exams had such a broad scope.

Baez has stuck to the Casey is innocent mantra and will not except any admission of her involvement in Caylee's death. Perhaps this is at Casey's insistence. I believe that a another lawyer, more experienced and grounded in reality would have had a "come to Jesus" meeting with her. I hope that Baez explained to her in stark terms the risk she was taking with a not guilty plea.

I sometimes wonder if Casey can't believe that she may actually be sentenced to LWOP or the DP. Despite threats of being held accountable for her actions throughout her life, she's never had to face any consequences. There must be a part of her that just can't accept that she is not going to get away with her usual entitlement to do as she pleases.

If Baez has not fully apprised her of her dire situations, could that be grounds for appeal?
I believe that this is why Judge S requires her attendance at hearings.
He may not feel that Baez is being realistic in his advice.
Casey needs to see for herself just what is going on the courtroom.
She already had a taste of how tough the trial will be when Ashton gave his theory of how she, Casey, murdered Caylee.
That was very hard on Casey.

"Make him stop," said the princess.
"I can't," answered her attorney.

Ashton couldn't be stopped because Casey wanted him to?
Even her lackeys couldn't stop his speech?
That should have given her a clue that she is up against a stone wall, and no one can rescue her.

~jmho~

[sydney]

I don't believe it was an accident, I think Casey killed Caylee out of spite after the row with Cindy-that's my opinion.
After seeing how Casey has been since then and reading what her friends have said about her, I am surprised she didn't try to claim an accident and evade responsibility.
My fear is that the defence will persuade her to claim an accident and that the shock brought on a disassociative episode where she doesn't remember what she did.

please believe me, i don't for one second think it was an accident. i also don't think the dissociative disorder thing will work, either. the defense can argue that she was in a fugue state, but that means she'll have no memory of the EVENT. she never denied having a child either, she just kept saying the invisi-nanny had her.

besides that, all her friends said kc acted "normal". not that that is a diagnosis......iirc,the defense has never indicated that kc has some type of mental disease or defect. if she is examined and found to, indeed, have one, imo, she could be found guilty but mentally ill - not scott free of caylee's murder. she could be placed in a mental institution until such time as she was found to not be a danger anymore.

here's some info on dissociative episodes that i found interesting.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dissociative-disorders/DS00574

[LadyHam]

Hi Miami,
You are correct. The first DP qualified attorney, Terry Lenamon, did want to go with an insanity/mental health issue to explain Casey's actions. He also wanted to claim that it was an accident, and due to Casey's mental state, she was unable to act appropriately. Baez kicked him to the curb before Caylee was found.
I think that Lenamon was Casey's best hope of avoiding a conviction for murder 1.

Judge S did order a 2 mental evaluations of Casey at her bond hearing, each from a different psychiatrist. The results of those evaluations are sealed, although I do believe that the appellate court reviewed them when Casey appealed her extremely high bond.
The purpose of those evaluations was to show if Casey was mentally sound enough to withstand being on trial.
Evidently, the shrinks thought that she was.

I agree with you that as her defense attorney, I would order another psychiatric evaluation to address her state of mind and capability to understand the ramifications of her actions. I don't know if the court ordered exams had such a broad scope.

Baez has stuck to the Casey is innocent mantra and will not except any admission of her involvement in Caylee's death. Perhaps this is at Casey's insistence. I believe that a another lawyer, more experienced and grounded in reality would have had a "come to Jesus" meeting with her. I hope that Baez explained to her in stark terms the risk she was taking with a not guilty plea.

I sometimes wonder if Casey can't believe that she may actually be sentenced to LWOP or the DP. Despite threats of being held accountable for her actions throughout her life, she's never had to face any consequences. There must be a part of her that just can't accept that she is not going to get away with her usual entitlement to do as she pleases.

If Baez has not fully apprised her of her dire situations, could that be grounds for appeal?
I believe that this is why Judge S requires her attendance at hearings.
He may not feel that Baez is being realistic in his advice.
Casey needs to see for herself just what is going on the courtroom.
She already had a taste of how tough the trial will be when Ashton gave his theory of how she, Casey, murdered Caylee.
That was very hard on Casey.

"Make him stop," said the princess.
"I can't," answered her attorney.

Ashton couldn't be stopped because Casey wanted him to?
Even her lackeys couldn't stop his speech?
That should have given her a clue that she is up against a stone wall, and no one can rescue her.

~jmho~

This is such a great post and I agree w/everything that you said. I wonder if having to plead guilty to the fraud charges gave Casey a much needed dose of reality? She did not get out of that. She is now a convicted felon and got sentenced to jail time (time served). She probably thought she could talk her way out of those charges, too, but that whole case didn't turn out too well for her, did it? I hope she sees the light and sees that the exact same thing will happen at the end of the murder trial.

[sydney]

This is such a great post and I agree w/everything that you said. I wonder if having to plead guilty to the fraud charges gave Casey a much needed dose of reality? She did not get out of that. She is now a convicted felon and got sentenced to jail time (time served). She probably thought she could talk her way out of those charges, too, but that whole case didn't turn out too well for her, did it? I hope she sees the light and sees that the exact same thing will happen at the end of the murder trial.

(bbm)

she prolly thought "oh, this isn't too bad - time served and only sentenced on some of the charges - how bad can the murder trial be?"

it would have been better if judge s had thrown the book at her.

[Bala]

(bbm)

she prolly thought "oh, this isn't too bad - time served and only sentenced on some of the charges - how bad can the murder trial be?"

it would have been better if judge s had thrown the book at her.

Times served has always confused me. Casey is sitting in jail awaiting trial for murder. How does that give her time serve on a totally unrelated case? I think she should have done the time for the fraud case. She walked into the court room knowing she was about to plead guilty laughing and smiling like she was arrive to a party where she was the guest of honor. She didn't shed a tear until she had to own up to what she did.

[SandyO]

I don't believe it was an accident, I think Casey killed Caylee out of spite after the row with Cindy-that's my opinion.
After seeing how Casey has been since then and reading what her friends have said about her, I am surprised she didn't try to claim an accident and evade responsibility.
My fear is that the defence will persuade her to claim an accident and that the shock brought on a disassociative episode where she doesn't remember what she did.

If Caylee's death had been an Honest-to-God accident, Casey would have been pursueded to admit it by now. It's that 31 one days that kills that story. Because I live in a part of the country where almost everyone has swimming pools, we have a high incidence of child drownings, and I'm sure not all of them are true accidents, but the parents get away with it. They call 9-1-1 immediately though, not a month later.

[bluwaters]

Yes, Nancy can be rude to her guest panelists, but part of me thinks it is part of the show. The regulars that she has on usually are sorta smiling and playing along when she is giving them her reprimand. The newer panelists sort of have the deer caught in the headlights look as Nancy is yelling at them, so you can tell that they are not used to it. Nancy is a feisty one, by I do think that her "yelling" at her guests is part of the show. I think it is probably more scripted than we think it is and the guest panelist are told to expect things like this from Nancy.
This is my favorite Nancy Grace segment when Mark NeJame was still C&G's attorney. Mark is the only one I've ever seen give NG a smack down on her show. :punch:
I was very surprised to see NeJame on NG last week as an expert panelist.
Leonard Padilla, who NeJame referred to as P.T. Barnum, seen on the left of the split screen, is doing all he can not to burst at the seams laughing.

"OH" NANCY GRACE FIGHTS WITH MARK NEJAME...CASEY ANTHONY.. 11=07-08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyXwzDRYgu8

here is the transcript of the show:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/06/ng.01.html

[MiamiNice1]

Hi Miami,
You are correct. The first DP qualified attorney, Terry Lenamon, did want to go with an insanity/mental health issue to explain Casey's actions. He also wanted to claim that it was an accident, and due to Casey's mental state, she was unable to act appropriately. Baez kicked him to the curb before Caylee was found.
I think that Lenamon was Casey's best hope of avoiding a conviction for murder 1.

Judge S did order a 2 mental evaluations of Casey at her bond hearing, each from a different psychiatrist. The results of those evaluations are sealed, although I do believe that the appellate court reviewed them when Casey appealed her extremely high bond.
The purpose of those evaluations was to show if Casey was mentally sound enough to withstand being on trial.
Evidently, the shrinks thought that she was.

I agree with you that as her defense attorney, I would order another psychiatric evaluation to address her state of mind and capability to understand the ramifications of her actions. I don't know if the court ordered exams had such a broad scope.

Baez has stuck to the Casey is innocent mantra and will not except any admission of her involvement in Caylee's death. Perhaps this is at Casey's insistence. I believe that a another lawyer, more experienced and grounded in reality would have had a "come to Jesus" meeting with her. I hope that Baez explained to her in stark terms the risk she was taking with a not guilty plea.

I sometimes wonder if Casey can't believe that she may actually be sentenced to LWOP or the DP. Despite threats of being held accountable for her actions throughout her life, she's never had to face any consequences. There must be a part of her that just can't accept that she is not going to get away with her usual entitlement to do as she pleases.

If Baez has not fully apprised her of her dire situations, could that be grounds for appeal?
I believe that this is why Judge S requires her attendance at hearings.
He may not feel that Baez is being realistic in his advice.
Casey needs to see for herself just what is going on the courtroom.
She already had a taste of how tough the trial will be when Ashton gave his theory of how she, Casey, murdered Caylee.
That was very hard on Casey.

"Make him stop," said the princess.
"I can't," answered her attorney.

Ashton couldn't be stopped because Casey wanted him to?
Even her lackeys couldn't stop his speech?
That should have given her a clue that she is up against a stone wall, and no one can rescue her.

~jmho~

Hiya, Blu! What a great post, so chockful of information!

I agree with every single word you've written and the word I keep hearing in my mind is: DENIAL. No one seems to be seeing with any kind of an objective eye - from the lawyers, to the parents, to Casey. :shrug:

[sydney]

Times served has always confused me. Casey is sitting in jail awaiting trial for murder. How does that give her time serve on a totally unrelated case? I think she should have done the time for the fraud case. She walked into the court room knowing she was about to plead guilty laughing and smiling like she was arrive to a party where she was the guest of honor. She didn't shed a tear until she had to own up to what she did.

fake tear at that. who knows? maybe baez and company have her convinced that if she is found guilty of caylee's murder, she'll just get time served as well......

[AnnieKins]

Exactly.
I think I posted those same thoughts yesterday myself.
I do think there are many that just like to keep confrontation
going no matter who or what the subject is.
Sort of like if we said the Sun always rises in the East and sets
in the West they would find some way to try and make us
think that was not so.:sad:
Then there are those who think no one is guilty because someone
else made them do it.
We all make our own choices and it is about time we as society accept that and know that actions have reactions and consequences and none of this "he/she made me do it".
IMO the measure of a man/women is how we deal with what life hands us.
We all make mistakes but we also have to learn to live with them one way or another.
Now I am in no way saying Caylee's death was a "mistake" in truth it was a horrible horrible tragedy that there is no excuse for.
If Casey had any kind of remorse she would confess her guilt and throw herself on the mercy of the court.
Then the only mercy I would agree with would be life without parole.
Actually as I have said before that would be fine with me......I want her to live locked up for the rest of her life.

I do too, trich. And I want to live long enough to see her grow old and grey and haggard and fat. :smile:

[oswald]

I do too, trich. And I want to live long enough to see her grow old and grey and haggard and fat. :smile:

I figure she'll be out of the limelight soon after her trial - another one will take her place - we'll hear bits and pieces - her appeal, maybe she'll speak out about how unfairly she was treated, etc. And we'll all laugh and pay attention to another trial - My guess is she'll bad mouth Baez and Lyons soon after and then they will have to go on the defense - Don't you think???

Pretty much everyone disappears into the prison system - do you think the A's will disappear too???

[SandyO]

I figure she'll be out of the limelight soon after her trial - another one will take her place - we'll hear bits and pieces - her appeal, maybe she'll speak out about how unfairly she was treated, etc. And we'll all laugh and pay attention to another trial - My guess is she'll bad mouth Baez and Lyons soon after and then they will have to go on the defense - Don't you think???

Pretty much everyone disappears into the prison system - do you think the A's will disappear too???

Scott Peterson sure has disappeared into the system. I thought I'd never stop wanting to know what's going on with him, but I seldom give him a thought anymore. I guess it will be the same with Casey ---- almost an anti-climax when she's convicted, and then ....... nothing.

[AnnieKins]

This is my favorite Nancy Grace segment when Mark NeJame was still C&G's attorney. Mark is the only one I've ever seen give NG a smack down on her show. :punch:
I was very surprised to see NeJame on NG last week as an expert panelist.
Leonard Padilla, who NeJame referred to as P.T. Barnum, seen on the left of the split screen, is doing all he can not to burst at the seams laughing.

"OH" NANCY GRACE FIGHTS WITH MARK NEJAME...CASEY ANTHONY.. 11=07-08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyXwzDRYgu8

here is the transcript of the show:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/06/ng.01.html

I remember that interview. Good for Mark. :rolleyes:

And the staff member for Nancy's show who said his (18 month old or was it 2 yr old?) daughter wore a size 5-6 dress? I'll bet his wife was at home watching and laughing her head off. How many men know what size their children wear? Not many that I've ever known.

[oswald]

Scott Peterson sure has disappeared into the system. I thought I'd never stop wanting to know what's going on with him, but I seldom give him a thought anymore. I guess it will be the same with Casey ---- almost an anti-climax when she's convicted, and then ....... nothing.

I didn't follow the Peterson trial closely - actually this is first case I've followed this closely - BUT I remember reading up and following Greta and NG on the case - We were living in MD at the time too - I remember the day of the verdict, it was carried live on the radio, my daughters and I were at the store, in the car - it was pouring outside - when they read the verdict we cheered - I think I took the girls out to eat too - I guess we celebrated LOL It was a relief that we heard the guilty verdict

I did follow the OJ trial - I passed him on the freeway during that bronco trip - I wondered what the heck was going on - why everyone was on the freeway, cheering - I got home after picking up my daughters from daycare, and on the news the story - I was flabbergasted (guess I was a FLAB back then too! LOL)

[BettyC]

I remember that interview. Good for Mark. :rolleyes:

And the staff member for Nancy's show who said his (18 month old or was it 2 yr old?) daughter wore a size 5-6 dress? I'll bet his wife was at home watching and laughing her head off. How many men know what size their children wear? Not many that I've ever known.

I firmly believe that Nancy has more respect for Nejame now since he stood up to her.

She treated him very respectfully when he appeared on her show last week.

[BettyC]

I do too, trich. And I want to live long enough to see her grow old and grey and haggard and fat. :smile:

I think a good karma would be if she ended up looking just like Cindy.

[ellegna]

I firmly believe that Nancy has more respect for Nejame now since he stood up to her.

She treated him very respectfully when he appeared on her show last week.

You could very well be right but it may also have something to do with Nejame representing Tim Miller now as oppose to George and Cindy

[bonniez45]

I just sigh as I read this and shook my head. Then remind myself that what is being done for her now that someone with some knowledge has gotten on the team, is that we must recognize all her rights to a hearing for they are also our rights.
As others have said and I agree JB was certainly not for her and I think it was his flirting with her and wanting to be seen moreso than his inexperience and it has me worried also that this could be a cause for an appeal and hope the judges counter moves with not letting JB have the control he had overrides this concern.
My own opion is she killed that baby within 15 min of leaving that house and I hope I'm right that she put the duct tape on after she was killed. G and A and Lee should be grateful that charges were not brought against them and that it's sad that honesty between them will not help or heal.
Thanx for listening as I just had so say something

[cassidy]

Any news of Holly Gagne's trial today?

[really3997]

Any news of Holly Gagne's trial today?

No and I have been looking..... There was nothing on the 12:00 news from WFTV so I am not sure if it was canceled or they are waiting til the 5:00 news to let us know.:angry:

[kakax]

I do too, trich. And I want to live long enough to see her grow old and grey and haggard and fat. :smile:

Moving closer to a 1 day by day! (although she did look better at this last hearing... drats!!!)

[sydney]

No and I have been looking..... There was nothing on the 12:00 news from WFTV so I am not sure if it was canceled or they are waiting til the 5:00 news to let us know.:angry:

are you sure it was today? really, really sure? (you have been known to be off by a day or so):tonguewag:

[really3997]

are you sure it was today? really, really sure? (you have been known to be off by a day or so):tonguewag:

01/27/2010 Pre-Trial Conference (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Adams, John H, SR)
02/08/2010 Trial (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Adams, John H, SR)
:cuss:

[kakax]

are you sure it was today? really, really sure? (you have been known to be off by a day or so):tonguewag:

You must never question Her Royal Highness. She will have you polishing her crown soon!

[kakax]

01/27/2010 Pre-Trial Conference (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Adams, John H, SR)
02/08/2010 Trial (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Adams, John H, SR)
:cuss:

:lol: I better get promoted cause I took up for you, you royal PITA hahahahah

Did they mention it on the news last night? Don't they know when have nothing better to do than watch the Holly go from MOTY to Felon of the Year?

[really3997]

:lol: I better get promoted cause I took up for you, you royal PITA hahahahah

Did they mention it on the news last night? Don't they know when have nothing better to do than watch the Holly go from MOTY to Felon of the Year?

:loveeyes: Yes they mentioned as a promo before the 10:00 news it was brief. But today no mention but I have noticed in the past they wait for the 5:00 news most of the time

[kakax]

:loveeyes: Yes they mentioned as a promo before the 10:00 news it was brief. But today no mention but I have noticed in the past they wait for the 5:00 news most of the time

Are you at work? I'll be here so I'll see if I can't get the live stream.

[really3997]

Are you at work? I'll be here so I'll see if I can't get the live stream.

Why yes I am at "work"....WFTV channel 9 promo'd it you can only stream WESH TV at 4:00.

[kakax]

Why yes I am at "work"....WFTV channel 9 promo'd it you can only stream WESH TV at 4:00.

Well, blankety, blank, blank!
I'll try to watch that one now.

[really3997]

Well, blankety, blank, blank!
I'll try to watch that one now.

It couldn't have taken longer than one day could it.:confused:

[bluwaters]

OK, we need a legal eagle here.
I just checked the calendar of Holly Gagne's judge, John H Adams, Sr.
There are about 150 felony trials on his calendar for 9:00 AM this morning.
What's up with that? :confused:

[kakax]

It couldn't have taken longer than one day could it.:confused:

I wouldn't think so. It was felony charges right? I saw an obstruction of justice case a few weeks ago when I was on jury duty and it only lasted a day. I guess it depends on how many witnesses they had. Jury selection would have been this morning.

I haven't heard anything yet, but I had to answer the dang door bell.

[kakax]

OK, we need a legal eagle here.
I just checked the calendar of Holly Gagne's judge, John H Adams, Sr.
There are about 150 felony trials on his calendar for 9:00 AM this morning.
What's up with that? :confused:

It may have been the cases he is hearing this week. I bet most of those will plea out.

[bluwaters]

I just sigh as I read this and shook my head. Then remind myself that what is being done for her now that someone with some knowledge has gotten on the team, is that we must recognize all her rights to a hearing for they are also our rights.
As others have said and I agree JB was certainly not for her and I think it was his flirting with her and wanting to be seen moreso than his inexperience and it has me worried also that this could be a cause for an appeal and hope the judges counter moves with not letting JB have the control he had overrides this concern.
My own opion is she killed that baby within 15 min of leaving that house and I hope I'm right that she put the duct tape on after she was killed. G and A and Lee should be grateful that charges were not brought against them and that it's sad that honesty between them will not help or heal.
Thanx for listening as I just had so say something

BBM
Hi bonniez!
I agree.
I also think that A Lyon has taken Baez to task for his displays of affection towards Casey.
He barely looks at her anymore, while Lyon clucks over her like a mother hen.

[bkb]

Hi all hope you dont mind me butting in I read all the time but being so far away dont get to add much to the conversation, anyway when I read The Hinky Meter link i went on to the comments and found that Casey has paid her fines well that is what it looks like to me can anyone find out if that is the case please. TIA

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1650#comments

[kakax]

Hi all hope you dont mind me butting in I read all the time but being so far away dont get to add much to the conversation, anyway when I read The Hinky Meter link i went on to the comments and found that Casey has paid her fines well that is what it looks like to me can anyone find out if that is the case please. TIA

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1650#comments


:cursing: looks like you are right!! Ughhh! How bout that?????

[really3997]

OK, we need a legal eagle here.
I just checked the calendar of Holly Gagne's judge, John H Adams, Sr.
There are about 150 felony trials on his calendar for 9:00 AM this morning.
What's up with that? :confused:

So basically it is on the schedule however might not be heard today:angry:

[kakax]

I got called back to the door, so I missed the last ten minutes. Did anyone catch it?

[kakax]

Are we sure that is the correct amount for the settlement? I thought it was in the 5k range.

[Chardonnay]

I got called back to the door, so I missed the last ten minutes. Did anyone catch it?

I'm watching, and still nothing...

[really3997]

:cursing: looks like you are right!! Ughhh! How bout that?????

I believe that is incorrect that is attached the murder case. I thought that was the total of all the fees regarding what docs were released to the media. I could be wrong but I am going on a limb that I am not

[kakax]

Casey's fine was 5,517.75

That could be something else that Jose had to pay for?

[puzzler]

:cursing: looks like you are right!! Ughhh! How bout that?????

That $7,000 something is attached at the top of the murder case. I don't think it is the fine for the fraud case, but don't know. They were supposed to be appeal to appeal the amount of the fine in the fraud case. I don't know what this assessment is, but I think it has showed as being paid for a long time.

[kakax]

I believe that is incorrect that is attached the murder case. I thought that was the total of all the fees regarding what docs were released to the media. I could be wrong but I am going on a limb that I am not

I think you're right. Two times in one day! :biggrin:

[kakax]

Hornsby is on right now talking about a new report on forensics labs not being accurate. He is saying that the more doubt that forensics labs are accurate the less likely juries are to believe them. Casey's case was mentioned in context of this new report about the inaccuracies in forensic reports and how that may affect her case.

[bkb]

That $7,000 something is attached at the top of the murder case. I don't think it is the fine for the fraud case, but don't know. They were supposed to be appeal to appeal the amount of the fine in the fraud case. I don't know what this assessment is, but I think it has showed as being paid for a long time.

Thanks all for replying it was just her balance as of 02/06 showing 0.00 made me think she was all clear.

[Sun]

Casey's fine was 5,517.75

That could be something else that Jose had to pay for?

$5,517.75 States Cost of Investigation
$ 348 Court Costs
????? Cost of Prosecution

Here are the figures that I had in my notes from the criminal check/fraud trial.

[really3997]

I think you're right. Two times in one day! :biggrin:

Well you know soooooooo:read:

[kakax]

Well you know soooooooo:read:

You can be crowned smartie pantz for the day but it's my turn tomorrow!

Nothing on the rest of the news, except Hornsby's bloviating.

[SandyO]

Well you know soooooooo:read:

Really, did you say the Milsteds have been seen hanging around at the Anthony's house again? (Thought I saw a post to that effect last week).

[really3997]

You can be crowned smartie pantz for the day but it's my turn tomorrow!

Nothing on the rest of the news, except Hornsby's bloviating.

Well if the calender was as long as puzzler said maybe it wasn't heard today.:confused:

[really3997]

Really, did you say the Milsteds have been seen hanging around at the Anthony's house again? (Thought I saw a post to that effect last week).

yes the last two weekends. They brought the white trailer this weekend so it must be Fraudation related. Why you got something

[kakax]

Well if the calender was as long as puzzler said maybe it wasn't heard today.:confused:

Could be. I wish we could watch the news online.

[SandyO]

yes the last two weekends. They brought the white trailer this weekend so it must be Fraudation related. Why you got something

No, I'm too far away for that, unfortunately, but I figure it's about time for something to happen with those folks. Maybe something "Fraudation related".

[puzzler]

No, I'm too far away for that, unfortunately, but I figure it's about time for something to happen with those folks. Maybe something "Fraudation related".

It's telling isn't it, who the A's pal around with. Anyone that had any ethics didn't last long with them, but they are still friendly with the Milsteads.

Those who mouth off that the Flabs are unfair to the A's should take a look at the real picture.

JMO

[really3997]

No, I'm too far away for that, unfortunately, but I figure it's about time for something to happen with those folks. Maybe something "Fraudation related".

Oh no I thought maybe you might have found something on the information highway:wink:

[SandyO]

It's telling isn't it, who the A's pal around with. Anyone that had any ethics didn't last long with them, but they are still friendly with the Milsteads.

Those who mouth off that the Flabs are unfair to the A's should take a look at the real picture.

JMO

They are con-men, all of them, even the women IMO.

[SandyO]

Oh no I thought maybe you might have found something on the information highway:wink:

They've been quiet too long, really. They've got to start making money again, and surely nobody's going to go get a job.

[bluwaters]

Well if the calender was as long as puzzler said maybe it wasn't heard today.:confused:
This is still the latest listing on Holly's case on the OC Clerk's site:

02/08/2010 Trial (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Adams, John H, SR)

[kakax]

This is still the latest listing on Holly's case on the OC Clerk's site:

02/08/2010 Trial (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Adams, John H, SR)


Just checked news sites...nothing yet!

[marinewife5]

Just checked news sites...nothing yet!

well, really, if someone would have gone to the courthouse this morning, really, we really wouldn't be having this problem. really.

jmo

[kakax]

well, really, if someone would have gone to the courthouse this morning, really, we really wouldn't be having this problem. really.

jmo

:lol: Someone really has been falling down on theiir duties, really, really badly. It's really a shame.

[marinewife5]

:lol: Someone really has been falling down on theiir duties, really, really badly. It's really a shame.

it truly is.

regardless of the outcome, i bet jose has started looking for another character witness to replace her. he'll sooner find a leprechaun riding a unicorn, but may as well try

jmo

[kakax]

it truly is.

regardless of the outcome, i bet jose has started looking for another character witness to replace her. he'll sooner find a leprechaun riding a unicorn, but may as well try

jmo

That's right, she was one of the only ones who would vouch for her character. What to do now, Jose, what to do now?

[spiritwolf46]

it truly is.

regardless of the outcome, i bet jose has started looking for another character witness to replace her. he'll sooner find a leprechaun riding a unicorn, but may as well try

jmo

and then we will all go "A-HA!"

[kakax]

and then we will all go "A-HA!"


If they can find anyone that hasn't been convicted of a felony to be a character witness!

[BettyC]

Hornsby is on right now talking about a new report on forensics labs not being accurate. He is saying that the more doubt that forensics labs are accurate the less likely juries are to believe them. Casey's case was mentioned in context of this new report about the inaccuracies in forensic reports and how that may affect her case.

You just know Jose and Andrea are going to hook their claws into this.

http://www.wesh.com/news/22502609/detail.html

Millionaire murder suspect Bob Ward's defense is making an all out attack against the scientific evidence.

In newly filed court papers, Ward's team is digging for dirt against the Florida Department of Law Enforcement crime lab.

"The National Academy of Forensic Science came out with a scathing report on virtually every crime laboratory in the United States, basically saying that because they are overseen by law enforcement that they are not being neutral or objective in their findings," Orlando defense attorney Richard Hornsby said.

(I can see A Lyon's students writing away now - more motions coming. Maybe they'll just copy this one.)

[spiritwolf46]

If they can find anyone that hasn't been convicted of a felony to be a character witness!

Yeah! Good luck with that, huh!?

[kakax]

You just know Jose and Andrea are going to hook their claws into this.

http://www.wesh.com/news/22502609/detail.html

Millionaire murder suspect Bob Ward's defense is making an all out attack against the scientific evidence.

In newly filed court papers, Ward's team is digging for dirt against the Florida Department of Law Enforcement crime lab.

"The National Academy of Forensic Science came out with a scathing report on virtually every crime laboratory in the United States, basically saying that because they are overseen by law enforcement that they are not being neutral or objective in their findings," Orlando defense attorney Richard Hornsby said.

(I can see A Lyon's students writing away now - more motions coming. Maybe they'll just copy this one.)

Thanks, Bet! Yup, copy and paste. If all they can say is the labs are biased because they work with le, good luck!

We will see this though, I'm sure!

[kakax]

Yeah! Good luck with that, huh!?

Exactly and more arrests may follow. Casey's entire familiy besides Cindy, George and Lee don't support her. She can't get the Milsteads. I don't know of anyone else that could or would speak on her behalf.

[puzzler]

Exactly and more arrests may follow. Casey's entire familiy besides Cindy, George and Lee don't support her. She can't get the Milsteads. I don't know of anyone else that could or would speak on her behalf.

Shades of Scott Peterson.:scared:

[puzzler]

Thanks, Bet! Yup, copy and paste. If all they can say is the labs are biased because they work with le, good luck!

We will see this though, I'm sure!

In Casey's case, her lies will overwhelm any science anyway!:rolleyes:

[Anakerie]

Thanks, Bet! Yup, copy and paste. If all they can say is the labs are biased because they work with le, good luck!

We will see this though, I'm sure!
I have to wonder how many labs around this country don't work with LE?

[spiritwolf46]

Exactly and more arrests may follow. Casey's entire familiy besides Cindy, George and Lee don't support her. She can't get the Milsteads. I don't know of anyone else that could or would speak on her behalf.

Me either, Kakax! Not one person!

What goes around.............


I PRAY that the Anthony's get what is coming to them! There is NO doubt what-so-ever in my mind that those people did their best to cover for the murderer of their OWN grand child and that is so disgusting to me!

Keeping my fingers crossed that ALL who let that little baby lay there in the woods will be brought to justice.

[bluwaters]

Really, did you say the Milsteds have been seen hanging around at the Anthony's house again? (Thought I saw a post to that effect last week).
Funny thing...
They have been on my mind all day.
I think that may be due to the talk of Kathi Belich over the weekend.
Kathi B. was really the one who exposed them and they have kept a low profile ever since.
I really had high hopes that Kathi would do a complete expose, but since they have gone underground and Michelle Bart has moved on, I guess they're no longer a big news for WFTV.
I hope that Kathi B writes a book someday.
No doubt she has some incredible stories that have never gotten published.

Although the Kid Finders Network website is down, several other of their sites are still up.

The House of Purpose came up this weekend:
http://dennismilstead.fatcow.com/thehouseofpurpose/index.html
A couple of us called the toll free number, 1-877-One-Lost
(1-877-663-5678).
It goes straight to an anonymous voice mail.
The site lists their URL as
www.TheHouseofPurpose.com
That URL links to an incomplete site, hosted by FatCow.

There is this one:
Information-Requsted
http://www.information-requested.com/

From the site:
The Professional Child ID and Fingerprint Card Program is
offered as a free service from
Safety In A FLASH, Inc.
For anyone who makes a donation of any size to
Kid Finders Network a 501(c)(3) Organization
as a Thank You for your support...


There is large button in the center of the page to click in order to make a donation via PayPal.
There is no description of the :
The Professional Child ID and Fingerprint Card Program
Apparently, that information is provided after the donation through PayPal is complete.
The name of the PayPal account is ...
hang on...
The Kidfinders Network :w00t:

The page has a link to the blank Kid Finders Network,
http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com/

and a link to the Safety in a Flash website.
http://www.safetyinaflash.com/

This page promotes "Safety in a Flash" which is basically a flash drive, onto which personal information is loaded for quick access in case someone goes missing.
Safety in a Flash has one endorsment, by, you know who,
Kid Finders Network, complete with their official looking faux LE badge logo.
There is video of a of pleasant woman extolling the many benefits of the "Safety in a Flash" device.
You can order your own with a $50 donation to...
Can you guess?
Ding Ding Ding - We have a winner!
Your $50 donation goes to Kid Finders Network!
And remember, all proceeds go to the search for missing children.
The Safety in a Flash phone number for support is:
1-877-One-Lost
(1-877-663-5678)
Sound familiar?
Scroll back up to The House of Purpose.

BTW - The "fatcow" in The House of Purpose URL is a web hosting service. As far as I can tell, Dennis Milstead is a subscriber and nothing more.

Oh man, the Milsteads.
So, they are sighted at the Anthony's on a regular and basis, and they are still soliciting funds for Kid Finders Network.
I had a huge file on them which was lost when my last computer died.
I feel another obsession coming on...
Noooo! :chicken:

[crimeq]

This is my favorite Nancy Grace segment when Mark NeJame was still C&G's attorney. Mark is the only one I've ever seen give NG a smack down on her show. :punch:
I was very surprised to see NeJame on NG last week as an expert panelist.
Leonard Padilla, who NeJame referred to as P.T. Barnum, seen on the left of the split screen, is doing all he can not to burst at the seams laughing.

"OH" NANCY GRACE FIGHTS WITH MARK NEJAME...CASEY ANTHONY.. 11=07-08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyXwzDRYgu8

here is the transcript of the show:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/06/ng.01.html

Hi Blu :seeya:

I had not seen the Nejame interview. I LOVE it! Thanks for posting.
:lol:

I very rarely watch Nancy because she's so rude, she drives me up the wall.

[crimeq]

yes the last two weekends. They brought the white trailer this weekend so it must be Fraudation related. Why you got something

Really, what's the white trailer, and how is that related to the fraudation?

[really3997]

Really, what's the white trailer, and how is that related to the fraudation?

It's a rinky dink trailer actually looks homemade use to be there before when the fraudation was in its hayday. Dennis pulls from the back of his truck. I have never seen whats inside but it can't hold much.

[kakax]

It's a rinky dink trailer actually looks homemade use to be there before when the fraudation was in its hayday. Dennis pulls from the back of his truck. I have never seen whats inside but it can't hold much.

You never know what is inside!!!! Don't look! :chicken:

[bluwaters]

You just know Jose and Andrea are going to hook their claws into this.

http://www.wesh.com/news/22502609/detail.html

Millionaire murder suspect Bob Ward's defense is making an all out attack against the scientific evidence.

In newly filed court papers, Ward's team is digging for dirt against the Florida Department of Law Enforcement crime lab.

"The National Academy of Forensic Science came out with a scathing report on virtually every crime laboratory in the United States, basically saying that because they are overseen by law enforcement that they are not being neutral or objective in their findings," Orlando defense attorney Richard Hornsby said.

(I can see A Lyon's students writing away now - more motions coming. Maybe they'll just copy this one.)

Oh BettyC -
Good catch!

I had forgotten about this report, and it is potentially damaging to the pros. Thank you for bringing it up again.
Here is the news release:
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=12589

LKB was squawking about this report as soon as it came out.
The defense is going to rely on it to shoot down all the forensics.
To me, the forensics are just back up to other important issues.
For starters

31 Days!

There will be a bitter battle over the forensics.
In itself it may not be a problem, but it could be very important to a jury of CSI fans.
Apparently, many who watch those programs think that the forensics portrayed are the same as what real forensic labs use.
Those are the people that the def will want on the jury and the pros will try to disqualify.

Those who place complete confidence in forensics and scientific data will definitely be swayed by defense arguments taken from this report.
They are a threat to the pros because they will place the reliability, or lack thereof, above other evidence.

It is like my husband's relationship with his GPS.
He calls it The Borg, I call it The Girlfriend.
DH throws all common sense to the wind when the Girlfriend gives instructions.
I have nearly thrown her out the window. :sneaky:
The Girlfriend is "she who must be obeyed" and my opinion does not count.
On a recent trip, I could see our hotel and the turn to enter the parking lot was just ahead on our right.
Oh no! The Girlfriend did not tell him to turn in there.
She took him around the block, in a big city, in rush hour traffic, to an entrance on the other side and from a different road.
We had a heated argument and I insisted on being let out so I could walk.
I beat him to our room by 15 minutes. :thumbsup:

I am counting on a jury that will not be able to get past
31 Days!
I know that I can't get past it! :(

[crimeq]

Does anybody have a link to the footage when Kathi Belich was attacked by Jose, when he claimed that he knew something about her past?

[puzzler]

Does anybody have a link to the footage when Kathi Belich was attacked by Jose, when he claimed that he knew something about her past?

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=59307631

[BettyC]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=59307631

Wow - pot calling the kettle black.

He told Kathi her colleagues don't think highly of her.

Wonder how Baez is rated among his own colleagues?

[puzzler]

Wow - pot calling the kettle black.

He told Kathi her colleagues don't think highly of her.

Wonder how Baez is rated among his own colleagues?

Somewhere I read that that Baez had a good reputation among his collegues.

Maybe I dreamed it.:scared:

[nc1948]

I know I'm not a part of any "lynch mob". Nor would I ever take part in something like that. I object to someone throwing labels on everyone who disagrees with their "opinion", no matter WHAT the opinion is.

I do, however, feel that Casey Anthony is responsible for the death of Caylee. I also believe that Cindy, George and Lee are guilty of perjury and obstruction at the very least. That is just my OPINION. I've read 99% of the document dumps, I've watched 99% of the hearings and I've formed my own opinion of Casey's guilt. 31 days. I don't care if Kronk spotted the bag that was thrown in the swamp previous to his seeing that tiny skull with the duct tape on it. I can't get past the 31 days of Casey watching movies, snuggling up to a boyfriend, partying, dancing and all the rest while her daughter was "missing". I do NOT believe Caylee was ever truely missing. Casey knew exactly where Caylee was.

AS a grandmother, I have a very hard time believing Cindy did not know anything until the 31st day. Especially a grandmother who brags of how much she took care of Caylee. If I had not seen or spoken to my grandchild in more than 2 days, we would have had a come to Jesus meeting with son and his wife. This is definitely not acceptable grandparenting.

[AnnieKins]

Wow - pot calling the kettle black.

He told Kathi her colleagues don't think highly of her.

Wonder how Baez is rated among his own colleagues?

I hadn't seen this one before! What a rude man Baez is. I've thought before that he wasn't all that bright, but now I know he has no manners either. :blink: I wonder if his mama is proud of him.

[puzzler]

I never saw the origin of Jose Baez's "you will learn how to respect me".

Here it is for those interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hQYxoxpr3o

[Katprint]

Casey's fine was 5,517.75

That could be something else that Jose had to pay for?
Normally not, although normally the attorney doesn't pay restitution for the victim's loss either.

I have often entered pleas on behalf of clients who are then sentenced to a fine, restitution for the victim's out-of-pocket loss, maybe substance abuse or anger management counseling, some period of jail (suspended) and a few years of probation. Payment of the fines and victim restitution, and completing the counseling classes ordered, is often a condition of probation. The courts around here have a business office where the defendant can set up a payment plan if he can't afford to pay it all in one lump sum. Failure to pay the fines/restitution as ordered can constitute a violation of the conditions of probation and can also result in the suspended sentence being imposed.

What does NOT happen is the court does not hold the attorney responsible for the defendant's failure to pay the fines/restitution, attend the classes, perform the community service agreed to, etc.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[BettyC]

I never saw the origin of Jose Baez's "you will learn how to respect me".

Here it is for those interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hQYxoxpr3o

AND "you will learn to respect my client?" LOLOL

Dream on Jose.

(That's the day I regretted the other reporters didn't just walk out along with Channel 9.)

[spiritwolf46]

Let um mouth off, Flabs stand united.

:patriot::patriot::patriot:

[bluwaters]

Macaluso was to have a hearing before the CA Bar today on charges of professional misconduct.

Macaluso, Todd E 06 O 14552
10:00 AM Monday, February 08, 2010
Alternative Discipline Program Conferenc
http://apps.statebarcourt.ca.gov/calendar/search.aspx

I cannot find the outcome of this hearing.

I did find this docket, that shows :
Next Scheduled Event: 04/05/2010
Alternative Discipline Program Conferenc
http://apps.statebarcourt.ca.gov/dockets/dockets.aspx

Here is the information that I found on the Alternative Discipline Conference:
The Alternative Discipline Program addresses the substance abuse and mental health problems of attorneys against whom formal disciplinary proceedings have been initiated in the State Bar Court.
http://calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/sbc_generic.jsp?cid=13483&id=23390
Macaluso asserts that he was traumatized by the sudden death of his brother and was caring for his grief stricken mother for over a year.
During that time, there were unintended bookkeeping errors made by his office staff.

This is Macaluso's CA Bar Assoc attorney profile:
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=133009

This profile shows his current status as active.

Halfway down the page of his profile:
Disciplinary and Related Actions

4/26/2010 Ordered inactive
1/23/2009 Notice of Disc Charges Filed in SBCt
Administrative Actions
This member has no public record of administrative actions.

Does the entry:
4/26/2010 Ordered inactive
refer to his participation in the ADP, does it mean that his status with the CA Bar will change from active to inactive on that date, or does it mean something else entirely? :confused:


The charges against Todd Macaluso:
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/courtDocs/06-O-14552-1.pdf

Macaluso's response:
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/courtDocs/06-O-14552.pdf

[bluwaters]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=59307631
Thanks puzzler!
I had never seen this, but there has been talk of it lately.

I never saw the origin of Jose Baez's "you will learn how to respect me".

Here it is for those interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hQYxoxpr3o
LOL! I remember this one very well.
It is interesting to see it again, after so many things have happened and so much time has gone by.
Thanks for this blast from the past.

Poor Jose!

As for Kathi Belich -

Jose will learn to respect her! :patriot:

[puzzler]

Macaluso was to have a hearing before the CA Bar today on charges of professional misconduct.

Macaluso, Todd E 06 O 14552
10:00 AM Monday, February 08, 2010
Alternative Discipline Program Conferenc
http://apps.statebarcourt.ca.gov/calendar/search.aspx

I cannot find the outcome of this hearing.

I did find this docket, that shows :
Next Scheduled Event: 04/05/2010
Alternative Discipline Program Conferenc
http://apps.statebarcourt.ca.gov/dockets/dockets.aspx

Here is the information that I found on the Alternative Discipline Conference:
The Alternative Discipline Program addresses the substance abuse and mental health problems of attorneys against whom formal disciplinary proceedings have been initiated in the State Bar Court.
http://calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/sbc_generic.jsp?cid=13483&id=23390
Macaluso asserts that he was traumatized by the sudden death of his brother and was caring for his grief stricken mother for over a year.
During that time, there were unintended bookkeeping errors made by his office staff.

This is Macaluso's CA Bar Assoc attorney profile:
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=133009

This profile shows his current status as active.

Halfway down the page of his profile:
Disciplinary and Related Actions

4/26/2010 Ordered inactive
1/23/2009 Notice of Disc Charges Filed in SBCt
Administrative Actions
This member has no public record of administrative actions.

Does the entry:
4/26/2010 Ordered inactive
refer to his participation in the ADP, does it mean that his status with the CA Bar will change from active to inactive on that date, or does it mean something else entirely? :confused:


The charges against Todd Macaluso:
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/courtDocs/06-O-14552-1.pdf

Macaluso's response:
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/courtDocs/06-O-14552.pdf

It's too late for my brain to try to decipher it all.:blink:

But, the cast of characters in this case is crazy. It almost makes me wonder if there are any decent, ethical, moral people left in the world.
Then I remember the Flabs are here!!!

:wub:

[Bette]

I've been working long hours and have missed being with you all as much as I'd like, but didn't Holly have a court hearing today? Anybody know the outcome?

[bluwaters]

It's too late for my brain to try to decipher it all.:blink:

But, the cast of characters in this case is crazy. It almost makes me wonder if there are any decent, ethical, moral people left in the world.
Then I remember the Flabs are here!!!

stole a smiley
Hey puzzler!
I can't figure it out either...:unsure:
My interest here is in Macaluso's eligibility to continue on Team Casey.
He is the real whiz at attacking expert testimony. He can probably recite the entire report that BettyC referred to by heart.

So, if Macaluso is declared inactive by the CA Bar, it could be a blow to Casey's defense. I can't tell if Macaluso is even being disciplined.
Of course, by the time Casey goes to trial, he probably will have satisfied any required disciplinary action and will be back on the case.
If he's being disciplined.

I have an official headache now. hammer

[puzzler]

Hey puzzler!
I can't figure it out either...:unsure:
My interest here is in Macaluso's eligibility to continue on Team Casey.
He is the real whiz at attacking expert testimony. He can probably recite the entire report that BettyC referred to by heart.

So, if Macaluso is declared inactive by the CA Bar, it could be a blow to Casey's defense. I can't tell if Macaluso is even being disciplined.
Of course, by the time Casey goes to trial, he probably will have satisfied any required disciplinary action and will be back on the case.
If he's being disciplined.

I have an official headache now. hammer

LOL

Well, my guess is that he will be disciplined but will remain active.
IIRC he claimed that it was someone that worked for him that mishandled some bookkeeping or paperwork or some such. He seemed not to be too concerned about it. But who knows?
:confused:

[Katprint]

LOL

Well, my guess is that he will be disciplined but will remain active.
IIRC he claimed that it was someone that worked for him that mishandled some bookkeeping or paperwork or some such. He seemed not to be too concerned about it. But who knows?
:confused:
One apparent irony to me is that he took the obviously superior path of admitting wrongdoing (failure to properly supervise his staff) then explaining why it had happened (turmoil surrounding unexpected death of his brother) and why he should not be punished harshly (generally a good guy with record of public service.) This is a direct contrast to Casey denying all wrongdoing despite conclusive evidence to the contrary, which precludes her from offering any explanation why it happened and/or why she should not be punished harshly for it.

Also, it would appear from his written response that he made good on the checks and his wrongdoing was limited to the balance in the trust account (but not necessarily all of the business accounts) falling below the monies potentially owed to clients. This looks more like a negligent bookkeeping error rather than an intentional theft of client funds.

I agree he will probably remain active. There will probably be a suspended suspension for 6 months or so, and he probably will need to re-take the ethics certification exam required of all California attorneys.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[bluwaters]

One apparent irony to me is that he took the obviously superior path of admitting wrongdoing (failure to properly supervise his staff) then explaining why it had happened (turmoil surrounding unexpected death of his brother) and why he should not be punished harshly (generally a good guy with record of public service.) This is a direct contrast to Casey denying all wrongdoing despite conclusive evidence to the contrary, which precludes her from offering any explanation why it happened and/or why she should not be punished harshly for it.

Also, it would appear from his written response that he made good on the checks and his wrongdoing was limited to the balance in the trust account (but not necessarily all of the business accounts) falling below the monies potentially owed to clients. This looks more like a negligent bookkeeping error rather than an intentional theft of client funds.

I agree he will probably remain active. There will probably be a suspended suspension for 6 months or so, and he probably will need to re-take the ethics certification exam required of all California attorneys.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks Kat
Imagine if Casey had claimed it was an accident and she panicked.
I really wanted to believe that was what happened.

[crimeq]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=59307631

Thank you Puzzler -- KathiB really gets under Jose's skin.

[Bette]

Thanks Kat
Imagine if Casey had claimed it was an accident and she panicked.
I really wanted to believe that was what happened.

I actually DID believe that's what happened for a while, Blu. It would have been Casey's best way to go, too. I can see now it was something much darker than that, and this really is the most confounding case I've ever followed.

[puzzler]

Thank you Puzzler -- KathiB really gets under Jose's skin.

She sure does. So much that it sounds like he had someone try to dig up dirt on her. :laugh:

[RedCherries]

Scuse my whisper net it\\s messing with my posts. Remember, JB did let it slip that this case was just like the sommer case. I do truly believe that JB\\s defense is going to be throw the labs and LE under the bus, as often as possible. That is LKB\\s style, JB doesn\\t have a \"style\" he is not even seasoned as an attorney lol.
%D%A
%D%ABut he did make it clear, that he was going to win this case; when he was done with that diatribe I hoped he didn\\t know where Udell lived in FL! (for those that did not follow the sommer trial, you will have to read up on Udell) whom later fell on his sword for his client and rightfully so.
%D%A
%D%AI believe that JB is casey anthony\\s dream to appeal for ineffective counsel. And he knows it. She probably does as well. The question is, what kind of monster is Casey A, to not come out with the truth, and to drag this out in the courts, drag Caylee\\s memory through the MUD; and continue to drag her prior friends along for the ride as well.
%D%A
%D%AWhat Odius Creature, is this? (odius creature I believe was MK\\s blatantly accurate nickname for this particular defendant aired on cnn)
%D%A
%D%AMaybe the Noodle knows where that Vid is if anyone missed it, I do not have it any where handy. But JB does go on a tangent about the sommer case, I believe he doesn\\t refer to her by name but calls her that woman.....recently. Something like that. Remember any one?
%D%A
%D%A

[puzzler]

One apparent irony to me is that he took the obviously superior path of admitting wrongdoing (failure to properly supervise his staff) then explaining why it had happened (turmoil surrounding unexpected death of his brother) and why he should not be punished harshly (generally a good guy with record of public service.) This is a direct contrast to Casey denying all wrongdoing despite conclusive evidence to the contrary, which precludes her from offering any explanation why it happened and/or why she should not be punished harshly for it.

Also, it would appear from his written response that he made good on the checks and his wrongdoing was limited to the balance in the trust account (but not necessarily all of the business accounts) falling below the monies potentially owed to clients. This looks more like a negligent bookkeeping error rather than an intentional theft of client funds.

I agree he will probably remain active. There will probably be a suspended suspension for 6 months or so, and he probably will need to re-take the ethics certification exam required of all California attorneys.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks for your explanation. I do see the irony.
I am sure that the check fraud pleading was the first time Casey had ever taken responsibility for anything in her life. I am also sure that if they had not had her on those tapes, she wouldn't have.

:angry:

[velvetbrown]

I was just sitting here thinking about Cindy and how many times she has screwed up.

Example: She and Casey sit down and get on the computer and issue a Caylee is missing mass message to all Casey's friends. If I remember right, it goes out through Myspace. Later, Cindy says that Casey is lying because she is scared for Caylee and the family. Doh! And Cindy expects everyone to believe her anyway.:blink:

Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive...

[crimeq]

She sure does. So much that it sounds like he had someone try to dig up dirt on her. :laugh:

That's what I'm thinking, Puzzler. He better be careful; KathiB is much more clever than he is!

I can't wait for trial time ;-)

[puzzler]

Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive...

How true!

In this case you might say Cindy was tying a noose.:scared:

[eastside joe]

AS a grandmother, I have a very hard time believing Cindy did not know anything until the 31st day. Especially a grandmother who brags of how much she took care of Caylee. If I had not seen or spoken to my grandchild in more than 2 days, we would have had a come to Jesus meeting with son and his wife. This is definitely not acceptable grandparenting.

I do believe that Cindy was unaware as of July 3 when she posted on myspace. That post is very damaging to Casey. IMO

[AnnieKins]

I never saw the origin of Jose Baez's "you will learn how to respect me".

Here it is for those interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hQYxoxpr3o

LOL Oh, its so much fun to wander down memory lane... :smile:

[AnnieKins]

I hope it isn't considered bad taste :D if one wishes more A family members to be arrested. :cool:

Well ya know... we FLaBs are renowned for our bad taste. :rolleyes:

[AnnieKins]

Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive...

The reason that a lot of these old adages become oft-repeated cliches is that they're so true!

(And I remember my Mom pulling this one out on us kids LOTS of times when we were little and tried to pull the wool over her eyes. :unsure:)

[Gilly]

LOL

Well, my guess is that he will be disciplined but will remain active.
IIRC he claimed that it was someone that worked for him that mishandled some bookkeeping or paperwork or some such. He seemed not to be too concerned about it. But who knows?
:confused:

I think he is a piece of work. There is more to him that meets the eye.
When he filed originally pro hac vice to be casey's lawyer he "neglected" to mention that he had pending bar charges against him, oops. I believe it was Kathy Belich that confronted him about his issues when he left court and then he made an amended application.

Good article about it here:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/27/caseycaylee-anthony-case-new-attorney-macaluso-participation-doubtful/#comments

[SandyO]

The reason that a lot of these old adages become oft-repeated cliches is that they're so true!

(And I remember my Mom pulling this one out on us kids LOTS of times when we were little and tried to pull the wool over her eyes. :unsure:)

The one I remember best is "a lie by omission is STILL a lie" --- and it sure has come to mind many times in this case.

[desmom]

The “Zenaida” Searches
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1655

[desmom]

The One Tree Hill Episode 100 aired on March 18, 2008. The show was about a nanny kidnapping a child.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1650 reported on March 19 a search for One Tree Hill 100th episode was done at a time George and Cindy were both at work. And on March 21, searches for how to make chloroform, how to make chloraform, self defense, household weapons, neck breaking, a visit to a previously linked Google book on self defense for women were also done when George and Cindy were at work.

Also, March 19 is Casey's birthday.

I know family and friends have said they have heard the term "nanny" from Casey for quite some time. Casey is all about appearances ...$15,000 in the bank, event planner at Universal, buying a house..and I think she used the term "nanny" because it is more impressive than "babysitter".

I do not believe the One Tree Hill Nanny Kidnapping story line, the searches for chloroform, neck breaking, household weapons and Casey's birthday are a series of coincidental events. Did Casey turning 22 give her a glimpse into her future? A young mother with no job, living with her parents, watching her friends party while she was stuck at home?

jmo

[trich]

It's too late for my brain to try to decipher it all.:blink:

But, the cast of characters in this case is crazy. It almost makes me wonder if there are any decent, ethical, moral people left in the world.
Then I remember the Flabs are here!!!

:wub:

:thumbsup:

[trich]

Well ya know... we FLaBs are renowned for our bad taste. :rolleyes:

Yeah strange that some would not want all the parties that are guilty
of obstruction of justice to just fall by the way side and those of us that want
Them punished are considered having bad taste.:shrug:
Shows what a strange world we live in doesn't it.

[djmsmom]

Thanks for your explanation. I do see the irony.
I am sure that the check fraud pleading was the first time Casey had ever taken responsibility for anything in her life. I am also sure that if they had not had her on those tapes, she wouldn't have.

:angry:

This was one of the first times in a long time that Casey came into court smiling. IMO she was glad she could finally speak and be the center of attention, to through out some bs. She didn't look humble or sorry to me. :cursing:

[desmom]

Following the March time period...Casey's birthday March 19.

In Cindy's state depo, on page 52 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310276/detail.html Cindy said she was invited to attend Casey's 21st birthday party, but she opted to stay home with Caylee.

On page 383, http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html Cindy said Zanny and her roommates were supposed to attend Casey's birthday party, but they did not show. Cindy said there were 20 people at the party. IIRC, Annie told LE Casey said Cindy tried to control Caylee's 2nd birthday party. Did Cindy do the same thing at Casey's 22nd birthday party? What 22 year old wants to have a party and mommy and daddy's?

Finally on page 70 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html Cindy said prior to July 3rd they had talked "probably over the last four months prior to this, about her eventually getting an apartment". July 3, June 3, May 3, April 3..a couple of weeks after Casey's 22nd birthday party. March 19, 2008 was a Wednesday, so her birthday party the could have been held the Friday or Saturday before (March 14/15) or the Friday or Saturday after (March 21/22).

Did Casey get fed up with having mommy and daddy hovering in her life? Is that what lead to the chloroform, household weapon and neck breaking searches on March 21?

jmo

[djmsmom]

Following the March time period...Casey's birthday March 19.

In Cindy's state depo, on page 52 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310276/detail.html Cindy said she was invited to attend Casey's 21st birthday party, but she opted to stay home with Caylee.

On page 383, http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html Cindy said Zanny and her roommates were supposed to attend Casey's birthday party, but they did not show. Cindy said there were 20 people at the party. IIRC, Annie told LE Casey said Cindy tried to control Caylee's 2nd birthday party. Did Cindy do the same thing at Casey's 22nd birthday party? What 22 year old wants to have a party and mommy and daddy's?

Finally on page 70 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html Cindy said prior to July 3rd they had talked "probably over the last four months prior to this, about her eventually getting an apartment". July 3, June 3, May 3, April 3..a couple of weeks after Casey's 22nd birthday party. March 19, 2008 was a Wednesday, so her birthday party the could have been held the Friday or Saturday before (March 14/15) or the Friday or Saturday after (March 21/22).

Did Casey get fed up with having mommy and daddy hovering in her life? Is that what lead to the chloroform, household weapon and neck breaking searches on March 21?

jmo

I don't believe that Cindy was invited to Caseys 21th birthday party. Thats just one of her spins to make it seem less wild. Although the pictures of Casey throwing up shows what kind of party it was.

[sydney]

I don't believe that Cindy was invited to Caseys 21th birthday party. Thats just one of her spins to make it seem less wild. Although the pictures of Casey throwing up shows what kind of party it was.

i agree. cindy gave kc "permission" to drink, as well LOL. how are you gonna stop a 21 year old from drinking on their birthday?

[desmom]

I don't believe that Cindy was invited to Caseys 21th birthday party. Thats just one of her spins to make it seem less wild. Although the pictures of Casey throwing up shows what kind of party it was.

Oh, I don't either. I think Cindy tossed that in so LE would think Cindy and Casey had a close relationship. :rolleyes:

[desmom]

i agree. cindy gave kc "permission" to drink, as well LOL. how are you gonna stop a 21 year old from drinking on their birthday?

I agree.

Cindy's state depo - page 52 - http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310276/detail.html

...I know probably twice that I know -- knew Casey was drunk. And the first time was her sixth -- or her 21st birthday and that was a permission...

the first time was her sixth--? Was she going to say sixteenth birthday? Freudian slip?

Only twice? Whatever!

jmo

[desmom]

Cindy done slipped her whole foot in her mouth with that quote.

Freudian slip indeed.

Here's why:

There isn't a twenty one year old in all of America who needs their parent's permission to drink alcohol on their twenty first birthday.

Now... on Casey's sixteenth birthday, of course Casey would need 'permission' to drink alcohol in her parent's presence.

There you have it.

Cindy spews the bull once again.


Bingo! They are all about appearances. How would it look to LE if she said she gave Casey permission to get drunk on her 16th birthday? :scared:

jmo

[Spots©]

Bingo! They are all about appearances. How would it look to LE if she said she gave Casey permission to get drunk on her 16th birthday? :scared:

jmo

Especially since Casey would not have been able to purchase the necessary beverages for herself. Last I looked, supplying liquor to a minor is against the law. Cindy could be up for discipline herself.

But then, here I am speaking to a person who gives her little green men permission to eat dust bunnies. Have you carded these little fellows? :D

[Bala]

Following the March time period...Casey's birthday March 19.

In Cindy's state depo, on page 52 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310276/detail.html Cindy said she was invited to attend Casey's 21st birthday party, but she opted to stay home with Caylee.

On page 383, http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html Cindy said Zanny and her roommates were supposed to attend Casey's birthday party, but they did not show. Cindy said there were 20 people at the party. IIRC, Annie told LE Casey said Cindy tried to control Caylee's 2nd birthday party. Did Cindy do the same thing at Casey's 22nd birthday party? What 22 year old wants to have a party and mommy and daddy's?

Finally on page 70 http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html Cindy said prior to July 3rd they had talked "probably over the last four months prior to this, about her eventually getting an apartment". July 3, June 3, May 3, April 3..a couple of weeks after Casey's 22nd birthday party. March 19, 2008 was a Wednesday, so her birthday party the could have been held the Friday or Saturday before (March 14/15) or the Friday or Saturday after (March 21/22).

Did Casey get fed up with having mommy and daddy hovering in her life? Is that what lead to the chloroform, household weapon and neck breaking searches on March 21?

jmo
Zanny having a room mate has always been a tell tale of a big fat lie. If Zanny existed and had a room mate that room mate most certainly would have materialized long ago. The lure of a big pay out would have been to much for anyone with nothing to hide to resist for this long a time. And any desent person not lokking to profit would have stepped forward to tell what they know about Zanny and if she really babysat Caylee.

[sydney]

Bingo! They are all about appearances. How would it look to LE if she said she gave Casey permission to get drunk on her 16th birthday? :scared:

jmo

she said it was a permission because lee was there - perhaps he procured the booze for her "sweet 16th"?

[sydney]

Zanny having a room mate has always been a tell tale of a big fat lie. If Zanny existed and had a room mate that room mate most certainly would have materialized long ago. The lure of a big pay out would have been to much for anyone with nothing to hide to resist for this long a time. And any desent person not lokking to profit would have stepped forward to tell what they know about Zanny and if she really babysat Caylee.

invisi-zanny had TWO roommates. doubles the chances of them coming forward.

[adair]

invisi-zanny had TWO roommates. doubles the chances of them coming forward.

Hello Everyone!!!

Was it Amy who said that kc lived thru MySpace??? Yet there are no friends named zfg on that site....and not one single picture of the beloved nanny, kc being the photographer, i would expect to see atleast one pix of zfg somewhere...........(other then in kc head)

[kakax]

It's not your 'whisper net' that is messing up your posts.

It's the IP anonymizer you are using.

As to the rest of your post, I do recall Baez going on a tangent about one thing or another.

:lol: You crack me up!

And as for Baez...he's always on an irrelevant tangent.

[Steely Dan]

invisi-zanny had TWO roommates. doubles the chances of them coming forward.

And her mother, and Jeff, and Juliet, and............

[kakax]

Especially since Casey would not have been able to purchase the necessary beverages for herself. Last I looked, supplying liquor to a minor is against the law. Cindy could be up for discipline herself.

But then, here I am speaking to a person who gives her little green men permission to eat dust bunnies. Have you carded these little fellows? :D

I'm thinking instead of carding them, she needs to patent them! I have a few running around here that need to be eaten!

Nice catch Desmom! That whole clan just cannot, for the life of them, tell the truth! But they aren't perfect and this is a definite example of a slip!

[Barbara fl.]

invisi-zanny had TWO roommates. doubles the chances of them coming forward.



If they stick with that rediculous story of "Zanny the Nanny" it will be a piece of cake for the prosecution to send it down the drain...No one in their right mind would believe such a story....

I wonder if the defense is patiently dragging or trying to drag this case out until some new jurors that become of age and didn't hear of this case will appear on the jury?...If thats what they are hoping for they can forget that also because even if I had never heard about this case before and it was presented to me while on jury anyone would be able to figure out just what happened...

Casey is going down for this because she did it.....

[desmom]

Zanny having a room mate has always been a tell tale of a big fat lie. If Zanny existed and had a room mate that room mate most certainly would have materialized long ago. The lure of a big pay out would have been to much for anyone with nothing to hide to resist for this long a time. And any desent person not lokking to profit would have stepped forward to tell what they know about Zanny and if she really babysat Caylee.

I agree Bala. Roommates, friends, family or even acquaintances that knew of a Zanny the Nanny would have been more than eager to share it with LE for $225,000 reward. jmo

[sydney]

i was rereading kc's initial interview with le before they totally busted her at universal.

she conveniently lost her phone 9 days before that interview. her last conversation with jeff happened "a week and a half ago" - my basic math skills tell me she "lost" the phone the day after she spoke to jeff. how convenient.

i have to ask myself, "self, why would jeff be any help in finding caylee because he presumably lost contact with zanny because he didn't need her services anymore while he was relocating those two or three times, and wouldn't have her number any since kc said she changed it 3 or 4 times?"

kc said her conversation with juliette was 3 weeks prior to the interview but goes on to state that they work in the same department and are both event coordinators. uh, my question is if she was kc's friend, and they both work in the department, why was the last convo she had with juliette by phone?

kc then goes on to state that juliette just finished relocating to new york over the last two months. oooops.

kc also says she tried calling invisi-zanny's mother but got no call back. when asked if she had a number for her, she says no. when asked if she knows invisi-zanny's mother's name, kc says "um, wow, i think it's gloria." whoopsy.

no wonder these guys nailed her so quickly.

[sydney]

If they stick with that rediculous story of "Zanny the Nanny" it will be a piece of cake for the prosecution to send it down the drain...No one in their right mind would believe such a story....

I wonder if the defense is patiently dragging or trying to drag this case out until some new jurors that become of age and didn't hear of this case will appear on the jury?...If thats what they are hoping for they can forget that also because even if I had never heard about this case before and it was presented to me while on jury anyone would be able to figure out just what happened...

Casey is going down for this because she did it.....

my theory is because if the defense drags this out long enough, kc will qualify for "time served." :tonguewag:

[velvetbrown]

Casey is all about appearances ...$15,000 in the bank, event planner at Universal..
jmo

Casey Anthony: TERMINAL EVENT PLANNER...'when Casey lies she tells the truth'...

[Katprint]

I agree Bala. Roommates, friends, family or even acquaintances that knew of a Zanny the Nanny would have been more than eager to share it with LE for $225,000 reward. jmo
Casey herself would have coughed up Caylee's whereabouts to collect that reward. However, IIRC, the reward was for an ALIVE Caylee - as opposed to "dead or alive" like the old "wanted criminal" reward posters - and of course Casey had already killed Caylee by then. If Caylee had still been alive but had been given to, say, a prospective adoptive couple for a black-market adoption (like Baby Gabriel was initially given to Tammi and Jack Smith) then Casey definitely would have made efforts to manipulate the situation to either collect the reward or have co-conspirators collect the reward and split it with Casey.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Bala]

Casey herself would have coughed up Caylee's whereabouts to collect that reward. However, IIRC, the reward was for an ALIVE Caylee - as opposed to "dead or alive" like the old "wanted criminal" reward posters - and of course Casey had already killed Caylee by then. If Caylee had still been alive but had been given to, say, a prospective adoptive couple for a black-market adoption (like Baby Gabriel was initially given to Tammi and Jack Smith) then Casey definitely would have made efforts to manipulate the situation to either collect the reward or have co-conspirators collect the reward and split it with Casey.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
But a room mate could sell her story to the media and get a lot more then 25K. The press would have a bidding war for a interview with the room mate.

[LadyHam]

Zanny having a room mate has always been a tell tale of a big fat lie. If Zanny existed and had a room mate that room mate most certainly would have materialized long ago. The lure of a big pay out would have been to much for anyone with nothing to hide to resist for this long a time. And any desent person not lokking to profit would have stepped forward to tell what they know about Zanny and if she really babysat Caylee.

I so agree w/you! So many of Casey's lies contradict one another. Zanny was so rich that she watched Caylee for free? I am sorry, but if she had that much money she would be out spending it on herself and not watching someone's else's toddler. She also would not need to have a roommate, as she could afford to live by herself. Also, zanny was so rich, but she drove a Ford Focus? If she was so rich, wouldn't she be driving a luxury car? Casey's lies just don't make sense.:confused:

ETA: Also, Casey filled in a whole big family tree for Zanny. Don't you think the defense could have located some of zanny's family like they did w/Roy Kronk?

[Katprint]

But a room mate could sell her story to the media and get a lot more then 25K. The press would have a bidding war for a interview with the room mate.
The roommate could have collected the $225,000 reward for Caylee's return and still sold her story to the media to the highest bidder. Even now, the roommate STILL could sell her story for a heaping pile of money. And the roommate would probably have photos and maybe even movies of ZFG and Caylee, so she could rake in "licensing fees" as well. But only if ZFG and any roommates had actually existed....

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[LadyHam]

If they stick with that rediculous story of "Zanny the Nanny" it will be a piece of cake for the prosecution to send it down the drain...No one in their right mind would believe such a story....

I wonder if the defense is patiently dragging or trying to drag this case out until some new jurors that become of age and didn't hear of this case will appear on the jury?...If thats what they are hoping for they can forget that also because even if I had never heard about this case before and it was presented to me while on jury anyone would be able to figure out just what happened...

Casey is going down for this because she did it.....

I agree, the defense might be dragging this out as long as possible so that they might get jurors that have never heard of this case. The horrific details of this case speak for themselves, however, so I don't see how dragging it out will help the defense. When hearing some of the details for the first time, it is like a slap in the face they are so unbelievable. Although, the defense might be hoping that some evidence won't be admissible, but I think the important things will be, like for example, not reporting Caylee missing for 31 days.

[desmom]

i was rereading kc's initial interview with le before they totally busted her at universal.

she conveniently lost her phone 9 days before that interview. her last conversation with jeff happened "a week and a half ago" - my basic math skills tell me she "lost" the phone the day after she spoke to jeff. how convenient.

i have to ask myself, "self, why would jeff be any help in finding caylee because he presumably lost contact with zanny because he didn't need her services anymore while he was relocating those two or three times, and wouldn't have her number any since kc said she changed it 3 or 4 times?"

kc said her conversation with juliette was 3 weeks prior to the interview but goes on to state that they work in the same department and are both event coordinators. uh, my question is if she was kc's friend, and they both work in the department, why was the last convo she had with juliette by phone?

kc then goes on to state that juliette just finished relocating to new york over the last two months. oooops.

kc also says she tried calling invisi-zanny's mother but got no call back. when asked if she had a number for her, she says no. when asked if she knows invisi-zanny's mother's name, kc says "um, wow, i think it's gloria." whoopsy.

no wonder these guys nailed her so quickly.


She also likes to add middle names to people's names so they were not confused with the real person.
Jeffrey Michael Hopkins not Jeffrey Dale Hopkins she knew from school.
Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez not the Zenaida Gonzalez that went to Sawgrass.

IMO, Casey added the middle name so she could say "no that is not the Jeff Hopkins, father of Zachary" and "no that is not Zanny the nanny".

jmo

[*MoonRider*]

She also likes to add middle names to people's names so they were not confused with the real person.
Jeffrey Michael Hopkins not Jeffrey Dale Hopkins she knew from school.
Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez not the Zenaida Gonzalez that went to Sawgrass.

IMO, Casey added the middle name so she could say "no that is not the Jeff Hopkins, father of Zachary" and "no that is not Zanny the nanny".

jmo

As they saying goes, clever liars give details but the clerverest don't. I think she was so used to lying to Cindy by giving details she never thought that the police wouldn't believe her.

[sydney]

As they saying goes, clever liars give details but the clerverest don't. I think she was so used to lying to Cindy by giving details she never thought that the police wouldn't believe her.

what she didn't (and still doesn't to this day) understand is that the "devil is in the details", kwim?

[sydney]

She also likes to add middle names to people's names so they were not confused with the real person.
Jeffrey Michael Hopkins not Jeffrey Dale Hopkins she knew from school.
Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez not the Zenaida Gonzalez that went to Sawgrass.

IMO, Casey added the middle name so she could say "no that is not the Jeff Hopkins, father of Zachary" and "no that is not Zanny the nanny".

jmo

(bbm)
the middle name thing struck me as very weird. heck, i don't know my friends middle names, and even if i did, i certainly would not use all three names when referring to them.....

[really3997]

02/08/2010 Trial (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Adams, John H, SR)
02/09/2010 Bond Discharged


So does this mean Miss Holly has dodged the bullet:angry:

[adair]

02/08/2010 Trial (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Adams, John H, SR)
02/09/2010 Bond Discharged


So does this mean Miss Holly has dodged the bullet:angry:

Really, i am confused, could you please explain who Holly is and what happened? Mucho Appreciated!! Thanks

[really3997]

Really, i am confused, could you please explain who Holly is and what happened? Mucho Appreciated!! Thanks

Holly is the friend of Cindy's(the one on NG who says she is an excellent mother) who is up on Felony charges for chasing her husband with a bat over some pictures.

[puzzler]

02/08/2010 Trial (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Adams, John H, SR)
02/09/2010 Bond Discharged


So does this mean Miss Holly has dodged the bullet:angry:

It probably means she did.

From what I can find, the bond is discharged either when the defendant is found not guilty or at the time of sentencing.

I guess it could mean that she was found guilty and sentenced all yesterday.

:confused:

[really3997]

It probably means she did.

From what I can find, the bond is discharged either when the defendant is found not guilty or at the time of sentencing.

I guess it could mean that she was found guilty and sentenced all yesterday.

:confused:

Hence your siggy.....She probably used the I only did it once defense. It seems to be an Anthony favorite. jmo

[Katprint]

02/08/2010 Trial (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Adams, John H, SR)
02/09/2010 Bond Discharged


So does this mean Miss Holly has dodged the bullet:angry:
"Bond Discharged" refers to the bail bond i.e. the defendant showed up like they were supposed to. If the charges were dismissed then the bail bond would be discharged but if the defendant was found guilty then the bond would also be discharged because the defendant would no longer be out on bail thus no need for a bail bond. Basically, the bail bond company is no longer on the hook for making the defendant show up at court.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[really3997]

"Bond Discharged" refers to the bail bond i.e. the defendant showed up like they were supposed to. If the charges were dismissed then the bail bond would be discharged but if the defendant was found guilty then the bond would also be discharged because the defendant would no longer be out on bail thus no need for a bail bond. Basically, the bail bond company is no longer on the hook for making the defendant show up at court.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks Kat, I am very green when it comes to these things since the last time I needed bond was um never.......So we still don't know it just means the bond served it purpose.

[sydney]

Thanks Kat, I am very green when it comes to these things since the last time I needed bond was um never.......So we still don't know it just means the bond served it purpose.

so, how can we figure out what occurred at the trial?

[puzzler]

so, how can we figure out what occurred at the trial?

Good question. I have searched and can't find a thing.

[really3997]

so, how can we figure out what occurred at the trial?

I emailed wftv...Yes I am that kindof person:cool:

[sydney]

Good question. I have searched and can't find a thing.

we really, really need better reporting on stuff like this. inquiring minds wanna know. we really wanna know.

[bballgrl]

we really, really need better reporting on stuff like this. inquiring minds wanna know. we really wanna know.

Don't let Hal Bodecker know that. He wil tell you that there are much more important stories out there to cover... LOL :tonguewag:

[Emma's Ma]

I never saw the origin of Jose Baez's "you will learn how to respect me".

Here it is for those interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hQYxoxpr3o

Thanks for the link!! That was a good one!! I started watching some other old vids from the beginning with the protesters!! Some wild stuff was going on...Here is an interview with a lady that George came to fisties with...I wish Cindy could have answered this lady's question!! It is one we have had on our minds for a long time!! There are some other videos, uncut, from those days...interesting....jmo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYxsYsdqQsU&NR=1

[sydney]

Don't let Hal Bodecker know that. He wil tell you that there are much more important stories out there to cover... LOL :tonguewag:

well, he better fix his priorities, then. what could possibly be more important than this case?

[Scampi]

Casey Anthony: TERMINAL EVENT PLANNER...'when Casey lies she tells the truth'...

Excellent description of this accused baby killer, imo.

[BlueTurtle]

Oh BettyC -
Good catch!

I had forgotten about this report, and it is potentially damaging to the pros. Thank you for bringing it up again.
Here is the news release:
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=12589

LKB was squawking about this report as soon as it came out.
The defense is going to rely on it to shoot down all the forensics.
To me, the forensics are just back up to other important issues.

I am counting on a jury that will not be able to get past
31 Days!
I know that I can't get past it! :(

Problem with the report is it is written by the National Academy of Forensic Science and so it would not neccesarily be unbiased in its opinion. No matter what, labs will be payed for by the state and there is always going to be someone they are answerable to in overseeing the work. There have been plenty of situations that the current labs have exonerated a person of concern.
As other people have indicated, there are plenty of other pieces that the defense can not get rid of in the case that easily could lead to conviction.

[RedCherries]

invisi-zanny had TWO roommates. doubles the chances of them coming forward.

OMG that is so funny! I didn't know that PDAs were so difficult to use online. Keyboard is too tiny as well.

It's a great point that no photo of the invisinanny exists, but then again I never saw Casey as a real photographer. No real photographer would ever bill themselves as the Kodak employee who photographed people getting off of roller coasters for memory books!

I loved how in the beginning the A's always used the word Kodak, they wanted people to believe that their daughter worked for Kodak. They embellish, I guess that's what I would call it. Or they stretch the truth.

Did any one find out about Holly's hearing?

[RedCherries]

Excellent description of this accused baby killer, imo.

That is pretty good! Terminal. I think she was playing chemist in her home; being a nurse she never aspired to. :D

I'm still not sold on the duct tape being on her mouth before death. I do not know how the state is going to prove that one! The lab issues, I don't see an issue. The one tech got her dna on the sample. She is the one who ran the test, she didn't damage the results so there is no way that Baez will succeed the way Sommer did In My Opinion. And on THAT note I'm going back to layering my clothes and digging out my oil hose!

(I had to check two other threads before I resigned to going out in the snow)

[sydney]

It's a great point that no photo of the invisinanny exists, but then again I never saw Casey as a real photographer. No real photographer would ever bill themselves as the Kodak employee who photographed people getting off of roller coasters for memory books!

I loved how in the beginning the A's always used the word Kodak, they wanted people to believe that their daughter worked for Kodak. They embellish, I guess that's what I would call it. Or they stretch the truth.

Did any one find out about Holly's hearing?

(snipped by me)

yeah, kc told le that she had gone to college to get her "planning certificate" (forgot the name of the college) which is quite a feat since she didn't graduate high school or get her ged.

she also told cindy that she was an event planner - another feat since i would presume that the employer would kinda like to have seen a hs diploma or ged certificate. and, iirc, cindy said kc was getting all these applications to go to college for photography.

[gailinny]

I emailed wftv...Yes I am that kindof person:cool:

:lol::lol:

[trich]

Cindy done slipped her whole foot in her mouth with that quote.

Freudian slip indeed.

Here's why:

There isn't a twenty one year old in all of America who needs their parent's permission to drink alcohol on their twenty first birthday.

Now... on Casey's sixteenth birthday, of course Casey would need 'permission' to drink alcohol in her parent's presence.

There you have it.

Cindy spews the bull once again.

Bolding mine.....I think that is still illegal to give a person under
21 any kind of alcohol ...by a parent or not.
Just another disregard for the law.

[bballgrl]

Bolding mine.....I think that is still illegal to give a person under
21 any kind of alcohol ...by a parent or not.
Just another disregard for the law.

Depends on the state. In some states it is OK, as long as the minor is in your house or at a family function "under your supervision". However, it is STILL illegal to provide alcohol to the minors friends etc..no matter WHERE you are. I don't know what the law is in Florida, so I can't say if it was illegal or not.... But it is not such a good idea.

ETA: Tried to google this but the word "alcohol" provides a blocked site at work.... sorry

[really3997]

Depends on the state. In some states it is OK, as long as the minor is in your house or at a family function "under your supervision". However, it is STILL illegal to provide alcohol to the minors friends etc..no matter WHERE you are. I don't know what the law is in Florida, so I can't say if it was illegal or not.... But it is not such a good idea.

ETA: Tried to google this but the word "alcohol" provides a blocked site at work.... sorry

:lol::lol::lol: at your sig line its one of my favorites

[eastside joe]

spiritwolf,
That can be the Flabs insigna.... 3 smilies waving flags.

:hat::punch::seeya:

Hey we're flabs too and we want in!

[bballgrl]

:lol::lol::lol: at your sig line its one of my favorites

Yeah.. I am a little cheeky... I Love listening to Baez speak. I get so many little nuggets from his speeches..

[puzzler]

Not much here, but I think it's new.

http://www.wesh.com/news/22513305/detail.html

[charmin 66]

Not much here, but I think it's new.

http://www.wesh.com/news/22513305/detail.html

Sounds like a rerun.

[crimeq]

The One Tree Hill Episode 100 aired on March 18, 2008. The show was about a nanny kidnapping a child.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=1650 reported on March 19 a search for One Tree Hill 100th episode was done at a time George and Cindy were both at work. And on March 21, searches for how to make chloroform, how to make chloraform, self defense, household weapons, neck breaking, a visit to a previously linked Google book on self defense for women were also done when George and Cindy were at work.

Also, March 19 is Casey's birthday.

I know family and friends have said they have heard the term "nanny" from Casey for quite some time. Casey is all about appearances ...$15,000 in the bank, event planner at Universal, buying a house..and I think she used the term "nanny" because it is more impressive than "babysitter".

I do not believe the One Tree Hill Nanny Kidnapping story line, the searches for chloroform, neck breaking, household weapons and Casey's birthday are a series of coincidental events. Did Casey turning 22 give her a glimpse into her future? A young mother with no job, living with her parents, watching her friends party while she was stuck at home?

jmo

Bold mine.

Hi Des! I think Casey was thinking of her bleak future, yes. She had only recently gotten into the bar/heavy party crowd. What we heard about Casey from her old group of friends, and from Jesse, was that she pretty much stayed at home and mothering Caylee seemed important to her. Ricardo said they didn't go out - maybe once a month.

Casey was newly introduced to the club life and she liked it; she wanted a relationship with a young man who didn't want children (at least not girls) and who wouldn't let Caylee sleep over at his apartment, so that meant Casey had to find a way to take care of that. I think she had a lot of changes in a short period of time that made her not want to be a mother. I think not being able to go to Puerto Rico because Cindy refused to babysit was another factor; Casey was feeling confined when she wanted to be free. I think all these changes happened in a relatively short time period for her.

She definitely no longer wished to be burdened by motherhood.

ETA - in fact, what was happening in her life, relationship- and friend-wise in March?

[puzzler]

Sounds like a rerun.

And why haven't we heard a peep since the prosecution's motion for an exparte incamera meeting?

Strange IMO.

:confused:

[BettyC]

Can you imagine the Anthony household tonight as they read this?

http://www.wftv.com/news/22511285/detail.html

Man Gets 18 Months In Toddler's Death
Posted: 1:38 pm EST February 9, 2010

SANFORD, Fla. -- A Central Florida man was sentenced to 18 months in prison after pleading no contest to manslaughter in the death of his girlfriend's small child.

Monday's plea agreement kept 25-year-old Brian del Pino from being prosecuted on a second-degree murder charge. Authorities say Del Pino fatally beat 22-month-old Cameron Andrews in 2006. The child's 20-year-old mother had left Del Pino with the boy while she went to the store, and Del Pino called 911 a short time later.

Del Pino told authorities that the child tripped and fell, hitting his head on the floor. Medical experts said the injuries could not have happened from a simple fall.


If ONLY Casey had been raised to tell the truth, rather than being taught that a few "mistruths" do not matter, she'd probably be getting out before this trial ever begins.

[desmom]

Not much here, but I think it's new.

http://www.wesh.com/news/22513305/detail.html

From your link: In that motion Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said the group that aided in the search for Caylee Anthony, Casey's daughter, recently made search records available to the media. In court, Equusearch argued that revealing such information could have a "chilling effect" on future volunteers. Anthony's defense argues that in light of recent disclosures to the media, "there is no reason to prevent disclosure to Miss Anthony as well."

On February 4, 2010, http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/2/3/prosecutors_want_private_hearing_in_casey_case.htm l reported: NeJame said one of his biggest concerns has been to protect the personal information of the approximately 4,000 searchers who volunteered. He said his door was open for the defense to examine anything they wanted. “Come by. Take a look. If you see anything, let us know and we'll bring it to the court,” NeJame said. NeJame allowed News 13 to examine reports and notes taken by EquuSearch volunteers. They list team leaders, cell phone numbers of volunteers, details about items found and locations searched. There are more boxes of notes and reports, and the defense wants them all.

I believe Mr. NeJame stated something similar the last time JB had TES in court, so why doesn't the defense team go by and take a look?

jmo

[oswald]

And why haven't we heard a peep since the prosecution's motion for an exparte incamera meeting?

Strange IMO.

:confused:

Hey guys - your right - nothing at the clerks site??? Would they have the exparte meeting on their scheduled??? And the silence from the defense speaks volumes! If they were so enraged they would be on every talk show, news show, in front of the cameras locally

I think, with the silence from the defense this is something that is horrible to the defense and they might not be able to get around it or through it

Veddy Interesting.......

[gailinny]

And why haven't we heard a peep since the prosecution's motion for an exparte incamera meeting?

Strange IMO.

:confused:

I have been thinking the same thing. If it's DC what would he have to do with LE? Or is KC involved in some other crime. I just can't see JB not whining about this exparte meeting.

[neid_77]

From your link: In that motion Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said the group that aided in the search for Caylee Anthony, Casey's daughter, recently made search records available to the media. In court, Equusearch argued that revealing such information could have a "chilling effect" on future volunteers. Anthony's defense argues that in light of recent disclosures to the media, "there is no reason to prevent disclosure to Miss Anthony as well."

On February 4, 2010, http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/2/3/prosecutors_want_private_hearing_in_casey_case.htm l reported: NeJame said one of his biggest concerns has been to protect the personal information of the approximately 4,000 searchers who volunteered. He said his door was open for the defense to examine anything they wanted. “Come by. Take a look. If you see anything, let us know and we'll bring it to the court,” NeJame said. NeJame allowed News 13 to examine reports and notes taken by EquuSearch volunteers. They list team leaders, cell phone numbers of volunteers, details about items found and locations searched. There are more boxes of notes and reports, and the defense wants them all.

I believe Mr. NeJame stated something similar the last time JB had TES in court, so why doesn't the defense team go by and take a look?

jmo

becouse they are lame..and it won't give them the chance to make up BS! which in the end is what it will be I wonder if the man realizes what he could put all these innocent people through I WONDER! if his lame brain even get's it...but to me just like his client he can't get 5 ft past the front of his own nose.

[charmin 66]

Bold mine.

Hi Des! I think Casey was thinking of her bleak future, yes. She had only recently gotten into the bar/heavy party crowd. What we heard about Casey from her old group of friends, and from Jesse, was that she pretty much stayed at home and mothering Caylee seemed important to her. Ricardo said they didn't go out - maybe once a month.

Casey was newly introduced to the club life and she liked it; she wanted a relationship with a young man who didn't want children (at least not girls) and who wouldn't let Caylee sleep over at his apartment, so that meant Casey had to find a way to take care of that. I think she had a lot of changes in a short period of time that made her not want to be a mother. I think not being able to go to Puerto Rico because Cindy refused to babysit was another factor; Casey was feeling confined when she wanted to be free. I think all these changes happened in a relatively short time period for her.

She definitely no longer wished to be burdened by motherhood.

Crime, you've sparked my curiosity about the PR trip. When did Casey admit that she wasn't going, and what was her excuse to her friends? Does anyone remember?

[MisterGrey]

And why haven't we heard a peep since the prosecution's motion for an exparte incamera meeting?

Strange IMO.

:confused:
No sooner did you type this, a sound has been heard from the defense.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Nejames offer to allow Orlando News 13 to view the very same records that Jose can stroll on over and view for himself whenever he takes an "fing whim" to do so?

If Nejames and the news have agreed to confidentiality of TES info, what harm can this cause?

I would be more concerned if Jose had my info. He has done a number on Kronk.

[Lavenia]

Do you guys remember a while back when we were all discussing the inevitable books that this case will generate?

If so, I'm sure you all remember that Ann Rule was contacted & she claimed she would not be writing a book about this case. I'm sure that stance still stands.

Anyway... I'm reading her latest Crime File book. Hardcover.

Page seventy nine is where Ann Rule mentions Casey Anthony. I should tell you that before the two sentences below appear in the book, Ann is speaking about Teresa Gaethe-Leonard & how Teresa was basing her future on an almost impossible scenario.

Here is what she wrote:

Infamous female criminals like Susan Smith, Casey Anthony, & Diane Downs have devised similar schemes, building castles in the sky out of diaphanous threads hooked to weak foundations. They all murdered their own children, sacrificing them to get what they wanted, to find perfect love.

Just thought you guys might be interested to know that Ann Rule was obviously paying attention to this case.

Ann blatantly calls Casey Anthony a murderer. I wonder if any of Baez & Co.'s cronies will latch on to that quote & attempt to sue Ann for libel, considering Casey hasn't been convicted.

Yet.
I think they have a full plate with all they have. :laugh: I would love for them to have to answer the depos on a civil suit like this, though.

[puzzler]

Can you imagine the Anthony household tonight as they read this?

http://www.wftv.com/news/22511285/detail.html

Man Gets 18 Months In Toddler's Death
Posted: 1:38 pm EST February 9, 2010

SANFORD, Fla. -- A Central Florida man was sentenced to 18 months in prison after pleading no contest to manslaughter in the death of his girlfriend's small child.

Monday's plea agreement kept 25-year-old Brian del Pino from being prosecuted on a second-degree murder charge. Authorities say Del Pino fatally beat 22-month-old Cameron Andrews in 2006. The child's 20-year-old mother had left Del Pino with the boy while she went to the store, and Del Pino called 911 a short time later.

Del Pino told authorities that the child tripped and fell, hitting his head on the floor. Medical experts said the injuries could not have happened from a simple fall.


If ONLY Casey had been raised to tell the truth, rather than being taught that a few "mistruths" do not matter, she'd probably be getting out before this trial ever begins.

I sure hope the A's see this.

However, it makes me ill that this guy only got 18 months!
:angry:

[puzzler]

No sooner did you type this, a sound has been heard from the defense.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Nejames offer to allow Orlando News 13 to view the very same records that Jose can stroll on over and view for himself whenever he takes an "fing whim" to do so?

If Nejames and the news have agreed to confidentiality of TES info, what harm can this cause?

I would be more concerned if Jose had my info. He has done a number on Kronk.

I think this is the basis for the "new" motion. It says that tes offered the info to the media, so if what they are worried about is confidentiality, then why would they show the media. At least that was my take.

[puzzler]

I have been thinking the same thing. If it's DC what would he have to do with LE? Or is KC involved in some other crime. I just can't see JB not whining about this exparte meeting.

BBM This is exactly what I don't get. Baez would be all over tv screaming the prosecution is trying to hide something!!!!

If curiousity really did kill the cat, I am a dead woman.:scared: