2/4 thru 2/7

[ellegna]

Casey Anthony trial date set for next year

One of the motions dealt with a timeline for the case, the other asked for a private meeting between the State Attorney's Office and Orange Circuit Judge Stan Strickland.

The private meeting would be to discuss new material and evidence uncovered by law enforcement and possibly delay that information from being turned over to the defense.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-trial-date-20100204,0,2028165.story

Very interesting. NEW material/evidence
3 things pop into mind

1. JK's video - Did she admit the defense coerced her? Unethical conduct on the part of the defense?
2. Dom Casey - Has he been deposed secretly? Did he reveal who sent him to the woods?
3. Holly Gagne - Did she rat out the whole bunch for a reduced sentence? Are more charges pending for impeding, interfering, tampering?

[kOOkie1]

Thanks for the new thread Ellegna..
Can I hope for all 3?!!!
Im still curious as to why Lee has been so quiet...

[SandyO]

Casey Anthony trial date set for next year

One of the motions dealt with a timeline for the case, the other asked for a private meeting between the State Attorney's Office and Orange Circuit Judge Stan Strickland.

The private meeting would be to discuss new material and evidence uncovered by law enforcement and possibly delay that information from being turned over to the defense.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-trial-date-20100204,0,2028165.story

Very interesting. NEW material/evidence
3 things pop into mind

1. JK's video - Did she admit the defense coerced her? Unethical conduct on the part of the defense?
2. Dom Casey - Has he been deposed secretly? Did he reveal who sent him to the woods?
3. Holly Gagne - Did she rat out the whole bunch for a reduced sentence? Are more charges pending for impeding, interfering, tampering?




Did Lee finally crack?

[ellegna]

Thanks for the new thread Ellegna..
Can I hope for all 3?!!!
Im still curious as to why Lee has been so quiet...

Morning Kookie

Lee has been so quiet I forgot all about him. :biggrin:

[kOOkie1]

Morning Kookie

Lee has been so quiet I forgot all about him. :biggrin:

Haha...when any Anthony is quiet it makes you wonder why..I just dont think he would do the right thing by Caylee because if he does.. he will pretty much lose Cindy and George forever-
I still think he was on the phone directing DC where to look.
Could it be we have not heard anything from MH in Cali because he is in the Service and they want to keep some of his privacy??
(its early in case I make no sense:blink:)

[Steely Dan]

What if the found Zanny!!!!:lol:

[SandyO]

Morning Kookie

Lee has been so quiet I forgot all about him. :biggrin:

I almost forgot all about him, too ---- but maybe LE hasn't. Nobody knows Casey better than Lee does, and although he seems to have distanced himself from the rest of the family in the months before Caylee went 'missing', I think he knew a lot about what Casey was capable of. I'm certain he's been intimidated by Cindy all along, but it's possible a lot's been happening behind the scenes. Just a thought, though, and the more I think about it, the less likely it seems. Nah---- I guess I'm back to thinking it has more to do with Dominic Casey.

[Scampi]

Morning everyone. Canada, good theories but I doubt the prosecution would consider using anything Kerley said, she is a loose cannon. So let's scratch off number one.

I think it's a good bet that Dominic Casey has coughed up some interesting information.

I think I am one of the few who think the depo with DC went off as scheduled, weeks ago.

At any rate, I think all of us would be willing to wait till we saw pigs fly, if it means other anthony's arrested for something to do with this crime.

Also, I think now that the trial date is 5/2011 there is no excuse to delay the ZFG civil suit any longer, on with that trial

[sydney]

morning.

"new material and evidence"....hmmmmm. for some reason, the word "evidence" is signifying something physical to me, like fingerprints or hair or something linking kc to the actual crime scene. i can't imagine that it would be additional testimony from any of the players in this case because i'm sure the media, the defense, or any of the attorneys representing the players in this case would know about it and comment on it, (or have "no comment" on it or would say "can't confirm or deny" if it were the defense attorneys.) i suppose it COULD be another witness as well. tantalizing thoughts, though.

[Piratexox]

Morning everyone. Canada, good theories but I doubt the prosecution would consider using anything Kerley said, she is a loose cannon. So let's scratch off number one.

I think it's a good bet that Dominic Casey has coughed up some interesting information.

I think I am one of the few who think the depo with DC went off as scheduled, weeks ago.

At any rate, I think all of us would be willing to wait till we saw pigs fly, if it means other anthony's arrested for something to do with this crime.

Also, I think now that the trial date is 5/2011 there is no excuse to delay the ZFG civil suit any longer, on with that trial

I'm with you on DC's Investigative Subpoena.
His attorney did not protest having that done and it seemed to me she was leading that way. I think it was DC's way to cooperate without being charged.
The Court left the date of 12/16/09 for it and said to call if there was any problems.
I think we'll see someone else facing charges in the future.

[ellegna]

I almost forgot all about him, too ---- but maybe LE hasn't. Nobody knows Casey better than Lee does, and although he seems to have distanced himself from the rest of the family in the months before Caylee went 'missing', I think he knew a lot about what Casey was capable of. I'm certain he's been intimidated by Cindy all along, but it's possible a lot's been happening behind the scenes. Just a thought, though, and the more I think about it, the less likely it seems. Nah---- I guess I'm back to thinking it has more to do with Dominic Casey.

I believe the sibling bond between Casey and Lee is very strong. I can't picture Lee turning on her for 2 reasons.
Family loyalty and Cindy's wrath.

I'm tossed between Holly and Dom.
Holly is in some serious trouble and if she can offer the State info to help herself out, I don't think she would care about being loyal to the A's.
Same applies to Dom. If the SA discovered he did something, threatens to revoke license, offers him immunity for info, would he squeal on the A's? I wouldn't put it passed him. :sneaky:

[Scampi]

Anybody think george's conscience has kicked in and he is the one responsible for the new information and evidence?

[ellegna]

Morning everyone. Canada, good theories but I doubt the prosecution would consider using anything Kerley said, she is a loose cannon. So let's scratch off number one.

I think it's a good bet that Dominic Casey has coughed up some interesting information.

I think I am one of the few who think the depo with DC went off as scheduled, weeks ago.

At any rate, I think all of us would be willing to wait till we saw pigs fly, if it means other anthony's arrested for something to do with this crime.

Also, I think now that the trial date is 5/2011 there is no excuse to delay the ZFG civil suit any longer, on with that trial

Morning Scamp

I wasn't referring to what Kerley said but how that video came about.
Was it staged? Was she provided a script? Did Jose pay her?
If Jose made this video unethically and released it with the sole purpose to taint the jury pool and create reasonable doubt, he's in serious doo doo.

[desmom]

The trial may not start until May 2011? Hmm, I wonder how Casey responded to the news she may spend another 15 months + in jail.

LE has come into possession of "certain materials and information" and "there is good cause to delay disclosure" per http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/020310%20Casey%20Case%20Motion%20For%20Incamera%20 Ex%20Parte%20Hearing.pdf The motion really does not give us any hint as to why they want to delay disclosure. Could this information tie Casey or someone else to another crime? Did someone's conscious get the better of them and they finally came forward?

And then the TES volunteer's names...According to http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/2/3/prosecutors_want_private_hearing_in_casey_case.htm l NeJame told the defense they could come by and go through the documents. Nope the defense wants all of the names because they claim there were more than 32 individuals who searched the area because of two sworn statements - Joseph Jordan (page 15 - http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21703813/detail.html ) and Laura Buchanan (17 - http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21703813/detail.html ) The Hinky Meter covered these statements: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=899 and I agree with the article. Another piece about Jordan is available here: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=994

jmo

[kakax]

Anybody think george's conscience has kicked in and he is the one responsible for the new information and evidence?


Nice thought, but I guess I still can't credit him for growing a pai....I mean conscience.

[Sun]

Florida Rule of Criminal Procedure 3.220 "DISCOVERY"
http://www.nyls.edu/user_files/1/3/4...tone060705.pdf
Appendix F - pages 51-58

Florida Rule of Criminal Procedure 3.220(b)(2) "If the court determines, in camera, that any police or investigative report contains irrelevant, sensitive information or information interrelated with other crimes or criminal activities and the disclosure of the contents of the police report may seriously impair law enforcement or jeopardize the investigation of the other crimes or activities, the court may prohibit or partially restrict the disclosure."

Florida Rule of Criminal Procedure 3.220(k) "Court May Alter Times. -- The court may alter the times for compliance with any discovery under these rules on good cause shown."

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/020310%20Casey%20Case%20Motion%20For%20Incamera%20 Ex%20Parte%20Hearing.pdf

Motion for incamera ex parte hearing

[SandyO]

I believe the sibling bond between Casey and Lee is very strong. I can't picture Lee turning on her for 2 reasons.
Family loyalty and Cindy's wrath.

I'm tossed between Holly and Dom.
Holly is in some serious trouble and if she can offer the State info to help herself out, I don't think she would care about being loyal to the A's.
Same applies to Dom. If the SA discovered he did something, threatens to revoke license, offers him immunity for info, would he squeal on the A's? I wouldn't put it passed him. :sneaky:

I'm 'on board' with both you and Scampi. Jill Kerley simply doesn't matter, so she's out of the equation. I could be so very far off base and won't be surprised at anything, but right now I really think Dom's deposition went off as planned, albeit very quietly, and new information (maybe even 'evidence') has been turned up. He is in a jam, and of course he'll be looking out for #1. Holly? I dunno ---- she's another nut, and what could she really know anyway?

[cassidy]

Anybody think george's conscience has kicked in and he is the one responsible for the new information and evidence?

Unequivocally NO

[ellegna]

The trial may not start until May 2011? Hmm, I wonder how Casey responded to the news she may spend another 15 months + in jail.

LE has come into possession of "certain materials and information" and "there is good cause to delay disclosure" per http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/020310%20Casey%20Case%20Motion%20For%20Incamera%20 Ex%20Parte%20Hearing.pdf The motion really does not give us any hint as to why they want to delay disclosure. Could this information tie Casey or someone else to another crime? Did someone's conscious get the better of them and they finally came forward?

And then the TES volunteer's names...According to http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/2/3/prosecutors_want_private_hearing_in_casey_case.htm l NeJame told the defense they could come by and go through the documents. Nope the defense wants all of the names because they claim there were more than 32 individuals who searched the area because of two sworn statements - Joseph Jordan (page 15 - http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21703813/detail.html ) and Laura Buchanan (17 - http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21703813/detail.html ) The Hinky Meter covered these statements: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=899 and I agree with the article. Another piece about Jordan is available here: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=994

jmo

bbm

This came to mind

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseytantrum002.jpg

[kakax]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/020310%20Casey%20Case%20Motion%20For%20Incamera%20 Ex%20Parte%20Hearing.pdf

Motion for incamera ex parte hearing

I like seeing it on paper!!:thumbsup: I going to try to be optomistic that this is a great development towards justice for Caylee!

Since we had not even a hint of this coming down at the hearing last week, I'm going to guess it was a person that came forward. I just can't understand why a fingerprint would have taken this long to process. I guess its possible it may be maggot evidence or the vacuum sweepings, but that too doesn't seem like it would take over a year to come back.

[kakax]

Unequivocally NO


Morning Cass!

Tell us how you reallly feel!! haha

[Steely Dan]

Regarding Dom Casey....

If I remember correctly, his deposition was to be in a different forum than a regular deposition - that is to say that both the defense and prosecutors would be present.

If that is indeed true, then there would be no reason to file a motion delaying discovery of any evidence obtained in this depo to the defense.

JMO - Just trying to fit the pieces together.

[*MoonRider*]

I'm hoping DC told the truth that the Anthony's knew where Caylee's body was and there could be pending charges against them. Wishful thinking only. moo jmo, etc.

[Lavenia]

Anybody think george's conscience has kicked in and he is the one responsible for the new information and evidence?

Magic 8 Ball says: "Don't count on it."

[sydney]

Anybody think george's conscience has kicked in and he is the one responsible for the new information and evidence?

he doesn't have one.

[ellegna]

I'm hoping DC told the truth that the Anthony's knew where Caylee's body was and there could be pending charges against them. Wishful thinking only. moo jmo, etc.

I'm wishing right along with you

[kakax]

Regarding Dom Casey....

If I remember correctly, his deposition was to be in a different forum than a regular deposition - that is to say that both the defense and prosecutors would be present.

If that is indeed true, then there would be no reason to file a motion delaying discovery of any evidence obtained in this depo to the defense.

JMO - Just trying to fit the pieces together.

I could be completely wrong, but IIRC it was the opposite that the defense couldn't be there unless Jose added him to their witness list.

Let the correcting begin, it's early and I'm not thinking straight yet.

[SandyO]

I believe Ex Parte Hearings (one side talking with the judge without the participation, or even attendance of the other) are about as rare as hen's teeth, and I'd expect the defense to be jumping up and down screaming about that. That's all I know.

[cassidy]

Morning Cass!

Tell us how you reallly feel!! haha

Good morning. Didn't mean to yell that loud LOL. While I do think that George knows a whole lot more than he is saying, I don't think he will ever do the right thing. That would require strength of character, of which he possesses none.

JMO

[gstickley]

Tim Miller's Wife, Georgeann, diagnosed with bone cancer


Please keep the Miller's in your prayers..

http://texasequusearch.org/

[really3997]

I like seeing it on paper!!:thumbsup: I going to try to be optomistic that this is a great development towards justice for Caylee!

Since we had not even a hint of this coming down at the hearing last week, I'm going to guess it was a person that came forward. I just can't understand why a fingerprint would have taken this long to process. I guess its possible it may be maggot evidence or the vacuum sweepings, but that too doesn't seem like it would take over a year to come back.

What about the DNA that was collected from out new Felon Casey could that have triggered something. Could Casey have contacted someone via Jose mail service...or sent something out without Jose's knowledged....

[Scampi]

Regarding Dom Casey....

If I remember correctly, his deposition was to be in a different forum than a regular deposition - that is to say that both the defense and prosecutors would be present.

If that is indeed true, then there would be no reason to file a motion delaying discovery of any evidence obtained in this depo to the defense.

JMO - Just trying to fit the pieces together.

Interesting thought. The question is, does the defense have a right to be present during a prosecution "investigative" deposition? If not, we may have our answer where this new info originated. imo.

[desmom]

-- snipped--

1. JK's video - Did she admit the defense coerced her? Unethical conduct on the part of the defense?
2. Dom Casey - Has he been deposed secretly? Did he reveal who sent him to the woods?
3. Holly Gagne - Did she rat out the whole bunch for a reduced sentence? Are more charges pending for impeding, interfering, tampering?

JK's video .... I just don't know what to make of this woman. Her comments are pretty vague. She can't remember what year they got married and she never contacted LE about abuse. IMO, she comes off as an jilted ex.

Dom Casey .... He had no problem given a sworn statement to LE http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4380098/Transcript-of-Dominic-Casey-interview-01072009 but does not want to be deposed? What is up with that?

Holly Gagne .... She did a couple of phone interviews with Nancy Grace - July 29, 2008 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/29/ng.01.html and July 31, 2008 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/31/ng.01.html How close was she to the Anthonys in the beginning? Was she present during a conversation in the home that LE would find interesting?

jmo

[really3997]

Interesting thought. The question is, does the defense have a right to be present during a prosecution "investigative" deposition? If not, we may have our answer where this new info originated. imo.

I remember hearing the SA office say Jose could not be there unless Dc was added to the witness list and KB also questioned him if he was going to add him.

[Scampi]

I believe Ex Parte Hearings (one side talking with the judge without the participation, or even attendance of the other) are about as rare as hen's teeth, and I'd expect the defense to be jumping up and down screaming about that. That's all I know.

I agree, Sandy. I bet baez's britches are in a bunch!!!!

:biggrin:

[sydney]

Found the following regarding FRCP 3.220 (k) - prosecution's discovery obligations (page 86 in the following link)

http://www.cobblawfirm.com/FRCP/FRCP%202006.pdf

"(K) any tangible papers or objects that the prosecuting attorney intends to use in the hearing or trial and that
were not obtained from or that did not belong to the defendant.

(2) If the court determines, in camera, that any police or investigative report contains irrelevant, sensitive
information or information interrelated with other crimes or criminal activities and the disclosure of the contents of
the police report may seriously impair law enforcement or jeopardize the investigation of those other crimes or
activities, the court may prohibit or partially restrict the disclosure."

[Scampi]

I remember hearing the SA office say Jose could not be there unless Dc was added to the witness list and KB also questioned him if he was going to add him.

You're right really, excellent memory. :thumbsup:

[really3997]

I agree, Sandy. I bet baez's britches are in a bunch!!!!

:biggrin:

I wonder how many of the nightmare team will bail after they get this "NEW" information.:sneaky:

[jammies]

Anybody think george's conscience has kicked in and he is the one responsible for the new information and evidence?

GA handed his conscience over to Cindy long ago. Along with a few other things. :blink:

[Scampi]

JK's video .... I just don't know what to make of this woman. Her comments are pretty vague. She can't remember what year they got married and she never contacted LE about abuse. IMO, she comes off as an jilted ex.

Dom Casey .... He had no problem given a sworn statement to LE http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4380098/Transcript-of-Dominic-Casey-interview-01072009 (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4380098/Transcript-of-Dominic-Casey-interview-01072009) but does not want to be deposed? What is up with that?

Holly Gagne .... She did a couple of phone interviews with Nancy Grace - July 29, 2008 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/29/ng.01.html and July 31, 2008 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/31/ng.01.html How close was she to the Anthonys in the beginning? Was she present during a conversation in the home that LE would find interesting?

jmo

I think going under oath thru a deposition, exposed DC to some type of legal exposure that he wanted straightened out before he gave the depo.

[*MoonRider*]

I remember hearing the SA office say Jose could not be there unless Dc was added to the witness list and KB also questioned him if he was going to add him.

To my knowledge Jose hasn't released a witness list. He must have been too busy and forgot. :lol:

[minimarshm]

I'm with you on DC's Investigative Subpoena.
His attorney did not protest having that done and it seemed to me she was leading that way. I think it was DC's way to cooperate without being charged.
The Court left the date of 12/16/09 for it and said to call if there was any problems.
I think we'll see someone else facing charges in the future.




could DC have turned something over to the state as part of the deposition fall out??

[sydney]

Found the following regarding FRCP 3.220 (k) - prosecution's discovery obligations (page 86 in the following link)

http://www.cobblawfirm.com/FRCP/FRCP%202006.pdf

"(K) any tangible papers or objects that the prosecuting attorney intends to use in the hearing or trial and that
were not obtained from or that did not belong to the defendant.

(2) If the court determines, in camera, that any police or investigative report contains irrelevant, sensitive
information or information interrelated with other crimes or criminal activities and the disclosure of the contents of
the police report may seriously impair law enforcement or jeopardize the investigation of those other crimes or
activities, the court may prohibit or partially restrict the disclosure."

hate to quote myself but what do you guys think now?

[Lavenia]

What about the DNA that was collected from out new Felon Casey could that have triggered something. Could Casey have contacted someone via Jose mail service...or sent something out without Jose's knowledged....

I tend to doubt it really, only because it usually takes so long to get that info entered into the database.

[*MoonRider*]

I'm with you on DC's Investigative Subpoena.
His attorney did not protest having that done and it seemed to me she was leading that way. I think it was DC's way to cooperate without being charged.
The Court left the date of 12/16/09 for it and said to call if there was any problems.
I think we'll see someone else facing charges in the future.

BBM, imo that's the only thing that makes sense.

[really3997]

hate to quote myself but what do you guys think now?



So that is leaning toward other crimes did I read that right

[Lavenia]

I wonder how many of the nightmare team will bail after they get this "NEW" information.:sneaky:

If Baez doesn't bail, I bet he goes through a case of Tagamet every week. (Remember his hospitalization for stress related GI symptoms?)

[really3997]

I tend to doubt it really, only because it usually takes so long to get that info entered into the database.

Ok but there are a lot of witnesses still MIA in this case.:tonguewag:

[My Gal Sal]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/020310%20Casey%20Case%20Motion%20For%20Incamera%20 Ex%20Parte%20Hearing.pdf

Motion for incamera ex parte hearing

Thanks Sun,
Just coming out of lurking for a min. to mention.... Did anyone notice that a copy was sent to Jose only? There was no mention of Andrea.
I found that odd and don't know what to make of it.

[Lavenia]

hate to quote myself but what do you guys think now?

That was the first thing I thought, Syd. I think the net is out for someone else, not Casey. IMO.

[sydney]

So that is leaning toward other crimes did I read that right

that's how i read it.

[cassidy]

Thanks Sun,
Just coming out of lurking for a min. to mention.... Did anyone notice that a copy was sent to Jose only? There was no mention of Andrea.
I found that odd and don't know what to make of it.

I think Jose is the lead attorney. I don'tknow if that makes a difference. Maybe he is responsible for distributing information to the rest of the team (scarey thought! )?

JMO

[sydney]

That was the first thing I thought, Syd. I think the net is out for someone else, not Casey. IMO.

could be, lav. but perhaps there are additional charges that could be brought against kc?

[Lavenia]

Ok but there are a lot of witnesses still MIA in this case.:tonguewag:

The invisi-witnesses? :tonguewag:

I hope Casey has wind of this and is puckered up.

[cassidy]

That was the first thing I thought, Syd. I think the net is out for someone else, not Casey. IMO.

That was the first thing that came to mind here too. :shrug:

[My Gal Sal]

I think Jose is the lead attorney. I don'tknow if that makes a difference. Maybe he is responsible for distributing information to the rest of the team (scarey thought! )?

JMO

However, Andrea has normally been copied on previous correspondence like this. :confused:

[cassidy]

However, Andrea has normally been copied on previous correspondence like this. :confused:

Then I don't have a clue? Maybe an oversight?

[Lavenia]

could be, lav. but perhaps there are additional charges that could be brought against kc?

Could be, but they have her where they want her and she is already facing the harshest sentence possible. Even if this is in regard to Casey, they seem to be protecting their case for or against someone else's behalf, IMO. Either someone they are investigating or perhaps an informant? I would think if it was for Casey, they would go ahead and USE it to show their ever strengthening hand.

[*MoonRider*]

That was the first thing I thought, Syd. I think the net is out for someone else, not Casey. IMO.

I think DC cut a deal. Remember Cindy uttering that "her people" had already searched that area. I see obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence coming soon to Hopespring Dr. moo

[Scampi]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/020310%20Casey%20Case%20Motion%20For%20Incamera%20 Ex%20Parte%20Hearing.pdf

Motion for incamera ex parte hearing

Thanks Sunnie. Interesting that in Number 2, the State admits that this new information and evidence is DISCOVERABLE. To me that signifies it is directly related to the murder of Caylee.

So, what is the reason they want this new info kept from the defense?

The only explanation to me, is that there is an ongoing investigation and more charges may be looming.

Keeping the defense in the dark, means the targets of the new investigation are persons close to the defense. IMO.

[really3997]

Thanks Sunnie. Interesting that in Number 2, the State admits that this new information and evidence is DISCOVERABLE. To me that signifies it is directly related to the murder of Caylee.

So, what is the reason they want this new info kept from the defense?

The only explanation to me, is that there is an ongoing investigation and more charges may be looming.

Keeping the defense in the dark, means the targets of the new investigation are persons close to the defense. IMO.

So do they have proof that Jose has done something illegal or a member of the Defense...

[sydney]

Could be, but they have her where they want her and she is already facing the harshest sentence possible. Even if this is in regard to Casey, they seem to be protecting their case for or against someone else's behalf, IMO. Either someone they are investigating or perhaps an informant? I would think if it was for Casey, they would go ahead and USE it to show their ever strengthening hand.

(bbm)
agreed with everything you said. i wonder if the thonys (cindy in particular) may be more culpable in caylee's murder than even we suspect. i think mere allegations of her being involved would be extremely damaging to the prosecution, seeing as how she's a grieving grandma and all, however PROOF that she was involved is another story. then again, as everyone has been saying, perhaps dc did or said something.

whichever it is, this will definitely occupy my imagination for quite some time.

[sydney]

So do they have proof that Jose has done something illegal or a member of the Defense...

to coin lav's phrase (i think it was you, lav - if not, i apologize to the poster who did say it): magic 8 ball says "answer unclear"

[Ladygator]

May 2011? By then it will be "Casey who?":blink:

[SandyO]

Thanks Sunnie. Interesting that in Number 2, the State admits that this new information and evidence is DISCOVERABLE. To me that signifies it is directly related to the murder of Caylee.

So, what is the reason they want this new info kept from the defense?

The only explanation to me, is that there is an ongoing investigation and more charges may be looming.

Keeping the defense in the dark, means the targets of the new investigation are persons close to the defense. IMO.

I am sure you are right about all of that, Scampi. Agree 100%, and your instincts are right on target, as usual.

[really3997]

May 2011? By then it will be "Casey who?":blink:

Yeah well I am up for the challange to make sure that doesn't happen. I think we will all still be blogging for that reason alone.:cool:

[sydney]

May 2011? By then it will be "Casey who?":blink:

hey, ms. i think that's what the defense is hoping for - so they can choose an impartial jury.

[Scampi]

So do they have proof that Jose has done something illegal or a member of the Defense...

IMO, with this bunch the list is long:
jose
cynthia
lee
george

[Ladygator]

hey, ms. i think that's what the defense is hoping for - so they can choose an impartial jury.

Hopefully, right there in Orlando.:tongueside:

[enigma™]

May 2011? By then it will be "Casey who?":blink:

"Casey who?" is fine by me, so long as it never is "Caylee who?". MUO

[Scampi]

I think DC cut a deal. Remember Cindy uttering that "her people" had already searched that area. I see obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence coming soon to Hopespring Dr. moo

Can you imagine this board if we get word that cynthia, george and/or lee has been arrested in connection with this crime? :ohmy:

[Sun]

Thanks Sunnie. Interesting that in Number 2, the State admits that this new information and evidence is DISCOVERABLE. To me that signifies it is directly related to the murder of Caylee.

So, what is the reason they want this new info kept from the defense?

The only explanation to me, is that there is an ongoing investigation and more charges may be looming.

Keeping the defense in the dark, means the targets of the new investigation are persons close to the defense. IMO.

The motion doesn't really divulge much, just that the State feels that it has Good Cause to delay disclosure of materials and information to the defense (and thus the media/public under the Florida Sunshine Law).

This could be anything. I'm hoping that my favorite media pipes up to provide more info on this (WFTV). But I'm not holding my breath. :sneaky:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/020310%20Casey%20Case%20Motion%20For%20Incamera%20 Ex%20Parte%20Hearing.pdf

[*MoonRider*]

Can you imagine this board if we get word that cynthia, george and/or lee has been arrested in conntection with this crime? :ohmy:

A girl can dream can't she. :biggrin: I honestly believe that they all knew that Caylee was deceased early on, yet continued to go on their media tour to look for an "alive Caylee" while they had their tip jar in hand.

[Lavenia]

Can you imagine this board if we get word that cynthia, george and/or lee has been arrested in conntection with this crime? :ohmy:

OMG, it would be a melee!! There would be looting and banning and hangovers galore.:tongueside:

[trich]

Unequivocally NO



My sentiments exactly!
He is spineless.

[really3997]

OMG, it would be a melee!! There would be looting and banning and hangovers galore.:tongueside:

Spare dresses for everyone. FYI please remember that WESH.com streams the 12:00 news on the puter. I will be out so please keep me posted.

[SandyO]

OMG, it would be a melee!! There would be looting and banning and hangovers galore.:tongueside:

So funny! I don't know about looting, but there definitely would be banning and hangovers!!!!!!

[Tia]

Anybody think george's conscience has kicked in and he is the one responsible for the new information and evidence?

I would like to think that. One of them needs to come clean for Caylee.

But, I truly doubt it. The fear of Cindy is stronger than the love for Caylee.


IMO

[Ladygator]

OMG, it would be a melee!! There would be looting and banning and hangovers galore.:tongueside:

:lol: ROTFLMAO!!!! Good times!!!!

[*MoonRider*]

Can you imagine this board if we get word that cynthia, george and/or lee has been arrested in connection with this crime? :ohmy:

What if they found the Nanny:chicken:

[sydney]

:lol: ROTFLMAO!!!! Good times!!!!

don't forget the happy dances!

[Ladygator]

What if they found the Nanny:chicken:

:scared: Hmm, maybe the bones found yesterday in Plant City are a 'perfect 10'.

[SandyO]

What if they found the Nanny:chicken:

While watching the pigs flying overhead.............

[GumShoeJoe]

could DC have turned something over to the state as part of the deposition fall out??

But the doc says info came to LE, not to the state so I am thinking (in an early morning fog) it is not from the depo.

There is new evidence of something important, I think, this is going to be a big deal

[Scampi]

The motion doesn't really divulge much, just that the State feels that it has Good Cause to delay disclosure of materials and information to the defense (and thus the media/public under the Florida Sunshine Law).

This could be anything. I'm hoping that my favorite media pipes up to provide more info on this (WFTV). But I'm not holding my breath. :sneaky:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/020310%20Casey%20Case%20Motion%20For%20Incamera%20 Ex%20Parte%20Hearing.pdf


Yes, but the prosecution is only allowed by law to withhold DISCOVERABLE material from the defense, in very limited circumstances linked previously in this thread.

The one that I am favoring right now, is the ongoing investigation one and that could lead to more charges, imo.

My money is on our Wonder Woman Kathy Belich too.

Thanks Sunnie and everyone for posting the links we need.

[Tia]

But the doc says info came to LE, not to the state so I am thinking (in an early morning fog) it is not from the depo.

There is new evidence of something important, I think, this is going to be a big deal

I am beginning to think that someone cracked.

[Scampi]

OMG, it would be a melee!! There would be looting and banning and hangovers galore.:tongueside:

I'm looking in my closet as we post..........lol.

BTW, the new evidence and information could have been the result of the information that Dominic Casey provided. So LE getting it makes sense to me.

[Steely Dan]

But the doc says info came to LE, not to the state so I am thinking (in an early morning fog) it is not from the depo.

There is new evidence of something important, I think, this is going to be a big deal

BBM - Very significant!

[bluwaters]

I'm hoping DC told the truth that the Anthony's knew where Caylee's body was and there could be pending charges against them. Wishful thinking only. moo jmo, etc.
Good Morning!
MoonRider - I think that this is very likely.
Also, there was some talk, that seemed to fall off the radar screen rather quickly, that Baez had instructed DC not to call 911, but to call Baez, if DC should find Caylee's body.
There is that controversy whether or not DC was employed by Baez at the time, making their discussions all under attorney privilege.

This news is going to drive us crazy until we find the answer, which looks like will be a long time coming. :unsure:

At least with the trial date being pushed back to May 2011, there is no way that the def can claim they didn't have enough time to
prepare.

Why won't they go to NeJame's office and look through the TES files?
Why do they insist on having all the files turned over to them?
I cannot imagine that Judge S will grant Baez's request, especially in light of NeJame's offer.

[SandyO]

But the doc says info came to LE, not to the state so I am thinking (in an early morning fog) it is not from the depo.

There is new evidence of something important, I think, this is going to be a big deal

Gee...........you're right, Joe........... I think it's something HUGE, too.

[really3997]

http://www.wesh.com/index.html


Here is the link for Wesh you can see the 12:00 news streamed live.

[BettyC]

More and more media are paying for something via myorangeclerk -

Reporter from OrlandoSentinel is listed now (BIANCA M. PRIETO) as is Holly Bristow.

[cuddlyrunner]

I'm here now and off sick for the rest of the week-also got a poorly daddy in hospital with heart problems-please pray for him.
This new hearing/meeting-do we know when it will happen or if we will hear about it?
I think it has to do with the Anthonys being held accountable for their part in the aftermath.

[Tia]

More and more media are paying for something via myorangeclerk -

Reporter from OrlandoSentinel is listed now (BIANCA M. PRIETO) as is Holly Bristow.

How did you find that out??

That is really interesting!!!

[TisMeAgain]

Yes, but the prosecution is only allowed by law to withhold DISCOVERABLE material from the defense, in very limited circumstances linked previously in this thread.

The one that I am favoring right now, is the ongoing investigation one and that could lead to more charges, imo.

My money is on our Wonder Woman Kathy Belich too.

Thanks Sunnie and everyone for posting the links we need.

Did I ever mention, I LOVE you guys? Well, I do! I love the way y'all keep this board updated for the ones that cannot get on all the time. Darn work! I'm SO hoping I see Cindy hauled off in handcuffs! How ever...I am not liking that 2011 court date, but if it means I get to see Cindy hauled off to jail, I can wait! :thumbsup:

[Lavenia]

http://www.wesh.com/index.html


Here is the link for Wesh you can see the 12:00 news streamed live.

I'm going to try and catch it really. I'll report back if I do.

[Scampi]

I'm here now and off sick for the rest of the week-also got a poorly daddy in hospital with heart problems-please pray for him.
This new hearing/meeting-do we know when it will happen or if we will hear about it?
I think it has to do with the Anthonys being held accountable for their part in the aftermath.

Sorry about your Dad cuddly, I will keep him in my prayers.

All this broke last night, right after you retired for the night.

I agree with you, this may have to do with the anthonys conspiring to cover up this crime, after the fact.

[really3997]

Did I ever mention, I LOVE you guys? Well, I do! I love the way y'all keep this board updated for the ones that cannot get on all the time. Darn work! I'm SO hoping I see Cindy hauled off in handcuffs! How ever...I am not liking that 2011 court date, but if it means I get to see Cindy hauled off to jail, I can wait! :thumbsup:

Getting my lawn chair and popcorn ready just in case.:wub:

[Ladygator]

How did you find that out??

That is really interesting!!!

Gotta love that law. The one's the Anthony's hate. Hey, they have something to be greatful for this morning. Someone elses jail house tapes are making the media rounds, lol.

All the financial information pertaining to a case is listed on the clerk's web site. It lists any money coming in, including coin for copies.

[sydney]

i am totally okay with not knowing what this evidence/information is until the state is ready to disclose it. i wouldn't want my rampant curiosity to ruin the prosecution's chance of doing whatever it is they are trying to do with this information/evidence that has come to le and them.

so, i'll just take up my knitting needles again and make a nice king-sized-bed-afghan while waiting.

[sydney]

Getting my lawn chair and popcorn ready just in case.:wub:

i hope your camera is handy and fully loaded and charged as well.

[TisMeAgain]

Getting my lawn chair and popcorn ready just in case.:wub:

LOL! Remember watching NG live and she stayed on for an extra hour and we got to see Casey arrested live on tv? We need fox news to get those camera's back on that house! I would love to see C & G walking out in handcuffs!:tonguewag:

[Scampi]

Did I ever mention, I LOVE you guys? Well, I do! I love the way y'all keep this board updated for the ones that cannot get on all the time. Darn work! I'm SO hoping I see Cindy hauled off in handcuffs! How ever...I am not liking that 2011 court date, but if it means I get to see Cindy hauled off to jail, I can wait! :thumbsup:

It's true, this is the best forum since the Laci Peterson case, imo.

May 2011 is a long way off, but as we've seen the characters in this case provide us with ample discussion material while we wait for the trial.

BTW, I wonder how the anthonys will be able to pay their bills, while awaiting this trial, with no one working?

[SandyO]

i am totally okay with not knowing what this evidence/information is until the state is ready to disclose it. i wouldn't want my rampant curiosity to ruin the prosecution's chance of doing whatever it is they are trying to do with this information/evidence that has come to le and them.

so, i'll just take up my knitting needles again and make a nice king-sized-bed-afghan while waiting.

Sounds beautiful, but I'm afraid you'll have time to make several.

[Sun]

http://www.wesh.com/index.html


Here is the link for Wesh you can see the 12:00 news streamed live.

Thanks for the link really! Maybe some of us can try to watch it, and report back.

[Scampi]

LOL! Remember watching NG live and she stayed on for an extra hour and we got to see Casey arrested live on tv? We need fox news to get those camera's back on that house! I would love to see C & G walking out in handcuffs!:tonguewag:

For some reason Mr. Morgan's quote springs to mind: Like a rabid Doberman on a lunge line.

:tongue:

[Tia]

Gotta love that law. The one's the Anthony's hate. Hey, they have something to be greatful for this morning. Someone elses jail house tapes are making the media rounds, lol.

All the financial information pertaining to a case is listed on the clerk's web site. It lists any money coming in, including coin for copies.

Thank you!!!

It looks like I picked a great day to check in on this case!!

[sydney]

Sounds beautiful, but I'm afraid you'll have time to make several.

i'll just knit very sloooowly.....

[bluwaters]

I think DC cut a deal. Remember Cindy uttering that "her people" had already searched that area. I see obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence coming soon to Hopespring Dr. moo
I wonder what NeJame knows?
He sure bailed overnight when he dropped the A's.
He distanced himself as far away from them as possible.
At the time he said that he couldn't represent him if they would not take his advice.
At the time, I thought that he was referring to their continuing rounds of talk shows and talking to the media at every opportunity.
Maybe there was more to it than that?
I suppose any info that he may have would be protected under client /attorney privilege.

Remember GA's frantic interruption of NeJame and Tim Miller's press conference?
GA was acting on something that Baez told him.
NeJame later said that if he had been given that mis-information, that he would have reacted the same way.
I wonder what Baez told GA that NaJame was going to disclose?

Haven't the A's taken aim at NeJame for his representation of TES, calling it a conflict of interest?

[TisMeAgain]

It's true, this is the best forum since the Laci Peterson case, imo.

May 2011 is a long way off, but as we've seen the characters in this case provide us with ample discussion material while we wait for the trial.

BTW, I wonder how the anthonys will be able to pay their bills, while awaiting this trial, with no one working?

I bet with this new "NEWS" they are digging for pictures of precious Caylee as I type. I can see Cindy digging in closets while trying to dial ABC, NBC, and CBS. I have no words for this family.

[TisMeAgain]

For some reason Mr. Morgan's quote springs to mind: Like a rabid Doberman on a lunge line.

:tongue:

LMAO! Love that, so true!

[SandyO]

i'll just knit very sloooowly.....

Knit fast and I'll place an order! You might have time to go into a successful business if you're waiting for this case to conclude!

[Scampi]

I wonder what NeJame knows?
He sure bailed overnight when he dropped the A's.
He distanced himself as far away from them as possible.
At the time he said that he couldn't represent him if they would not take his advice.
At the time, I thought that he was referring to their continuing rounds of talk shows and talking to the media at every opportunity.
Maybe there was more to it than that?
I suppose any info that he may have would be protected under client /attorney privilege.

Remember GA's frantic interruption of NeJame and Tim Miller's press conference?
GA was acting on something that Baez told him.
NeJame later said that if he had been given that mis-information, that he would have reacted the same way.
I wonder what Baez told GA that NaJame was going to disclose?

Haven't the A's taken aim at NeJame for his representation of TES, calling it a conflict of interest?


Nejame's other reason for quitting was that he refused to ASSIST IN THE DEFENSE OF CASEY. Interesting that iirc he quit in November, around the time of DC and Hoover's little visit to the crime scene where Caylee's little bones were eventually found.

[really3997]

I bet with this new "NEWS" they are digging for pictures of precious Caylee as I type. I can see Cindy digging in closets while trying to dial ABC, NBC, and CBS. I have no words for this family.

bbm


hmmmm could be is this sweeps week yet?

[really3997]

Knit fast and I'll place an order! You might have time to go into a successful business if you're waiting for this case to conclude!

Careful she might have to send a cut to the Anthony's.

[BettyC]

How did you find that out??

That is really interesting!!!

Tia - sorry I was surfing away and just saw your question.

Just go to

www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk

on the left - click on my clerk records search"

Just type in her name - last, first middle

The case and all info comes up then.

[SandyO]

We should be hearing something from the defense pretty soon in regard to this latest Motion. It's going to be interesting!

[sydney]

Careful she might have to send a cut to the Anthony's.

that crack made me put my fisties up!:cursing:

[bluwaters]

I think DC cut a deal. Remember Cindy uttering that "her people" had already searched that area. I see obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence coming soon to Hopespring Dr. moo

Remember Cindy going to the tow yard and trying to influence their interviews with LE?
There was no odor, NO ODOR!

I would not be surprised one bit if she hasn't done worse than that.
DC's reluctance to be deposed, the def objections to DC's deposition, DC's search of the area where Caylee was later discovered, Hoover's testimony that something mysterious was going on during that search, the "psychic" on the phone with DC directing his search, Hoover's claim about Cindy and DC's relationship...
Yeah, I think that DC may have spilled the beans and all of the Anthony's may all be in deep trouble. :ohmy:

I wonder what Cindy thinks of "her rock" now?

JMHO of course.

[cuddlyrunner]

We should be hearing something from the defense pretty soon in regard to this latest Motion. It's going to be interesting!
Yes, I wondered why we haven't heard from the defence yet

[sydney]

We should be hearing something from the defense pretty soon in regard to this latest Motion. It's going to be interesting!

i predict the defense will say that the prosecution is just trying to hinder their attempt to exonerate kc and will have a lot of mumbo-jumbo in it that the state will easily counter.

after reading some of the defense's motions and responses, i think they could all have been done using the same phrase by the defense: "no fair no fair"

[TisMeAgain]

bbm


hmmmm could be is this sweeps week yet?

Hey, they are this month but I have no idea which week...or is it all month? Megyn Kelly has a new show on Fox, but we know Cindy will not go there. LOL, I seen a tape I have never seen before with Martha Macallen <spelling> on another board when this was closed yesterday. Man oh man Cindy told them if Caylee was dead, it would be their fault. It was crazy. I have no idea how I never seen that video. I was here faithfully when all this broke. Let me go see if I can find it.

[Scampi]

We should be hearing something from the defense pretty soon in regard to this latest Motion. It's going to be interesting!

I guess before Judge Stan makes his decision on this, he may invite the defense to submit their whiney fest motion opposing the Prosecutor's motion. :wink:

[BettyC]

i predict the defense will say that the prosecution is just trying to hinder their attempt to exonerate kc and will have a lot of mumbo-jumbo in it that the state will easily counter.

after reading some of the defense's motions and responses, i think they could all have been done using the same phrase by the defense: "no fair no fair"

I agree and Casey's "so called apology to Amy" could be summarized as -

my bad

[Tia]

Tia - sorry I was surfing away and just saw your question.

Just go to

www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk

on the left - click on my clerk records search"

Just type in her name - last, first middle

The case and all info comes up then.

Ahhh!
Thank you!!

[really3997]

I guess before Judge Stan makes his decision on this, he may invite the defense to submit their whiney fest motion opposing the Prosecutor's motion. :wink:

do you find it odd that the Judge would have to tell him to submit a motion...:wink:

[Scampi]

Remember Cindy going to the tow yard and trying to influence their interviews with LE?
There was no odor, NO ODOR!

I would not be surprised one bit if she hasn't done worse than that.
DC's reluctance to be deposed, the def objections to DC's deposition, DC's search of the area where Caylee was later discovered, Hoover's testimony that something mysterious was going on during that search, the "psychic" on the phone with DC directing his search, Hoover's claim about Cindy and DC's relationship...
Yeah, I think that DC may have spilled the beans and all of the Anthony's may all be in deep trouble. :ohmy:

I wonder what Cindy thinks of "her rock" now?

JMHO of course.

cynthia may be thinking her rock has been lifted, exposing all the slime underneath.

IMO

[sydney]

I agree and Casey's "so called apology to Amy" could be summarized as -

my bad

i disagree. it could be summarized as

"you moron. it's really your fault and you know it."

[SandyO]

Hey, they are this month but I have no idea which week...or is it all month? Megyn Kelly has a new show on Fox, but we know Cindy will not go there. LOL, I seen a tape I have never seen before with Martha Macallen <spelling> on another board when this was closed yesterday. Man oh man Cindy told them if Caylee was dead, it would be their fault. It was crazy. I have no idea how I never seen that video. I was here faithfully when all this broke. Let me go see if I can find it.

I remember seeing that interview on television and being aghast. Cindy has certainly been known to say the most outrageous things!

[Scampi]

do you find it odd that the Judge would have to tell him to submit a motion...:wink:

LOL................no.

Hard for him to argue the motion tho, when he does not know what the new information and evidence is, he may have to rely on submitting authority and points of law to substantiate his motion......uh, oh. :lol:

[TisMeAgain]

I remember seeing that interview on television and being aghast. Cindy has certainly been known to say the most outrageous things!

here it is...Liar liar pants on firah! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZvEhnzlobA

[SandyO]

I guess before Judge Stan makes his decision on this, he may invite the defense to submit their whiney fest motion opposing the Prosecutor's motion. :wink:

He won't have to invite them, Scamp! I'm sure it's the first thing on their agenda as soon as they can meet and begin scribbling!

[bluwaters]

A girl can dream can't she. :biggrin: I honestly believe that they all knew that Caylee was deceased early on, yet continued to go on their media tour to look for an "alive Caylee" while they had their tip jar in hand.

Cindy in particular did everything in her power to direct the investigation away from seaching for Caylee's body.
In that early LE interview, the one that she was unhappy about swearing to at the end, she asked Yuri if LE was looking for an "alive" Caylee and not Caylee's body.
According to Cindy,Caylee was sighted in Texas, Georgia, Puerto Rico, Orlando's Florida Mall, and LE was negligent in not following up on those tips.
Her claim that Tim Miller had misrepresented himself and had told her that TES would only search for an "alive" Caylee.
Her public request to potential TES volunteers to not take part in the search.

Oh,oh - what about the Milsteads?
They seem to have gone underground.

What about illegal handling of donations?

My overactive imagination can go on and on...

JMHO, of course...

[KatieLady]

i predict the defense will say that the prosecution is just trying to hinder their attempt to exonerate kc and will have a lot of mumbo-jumbo in it that the state will easily counter.

after reading some of the defense's motions and responses, i think they could all have been done using the same phrase by the defense: "no fair no fair"

And all because she isn't popular :lol:

Never a dull moment in Caseyville!

[SandyO]

LOL................no.

Hard for him to argue the motion tho, when he does not know what the new information and evidence is, he may have to rely on submitting authority and points of law to substantiate his motion......uh, oh. :lol:

I think all they will argue against is the EX PARTE Hearing. THAT is a real kick in the teeth, and frankly, I'd be surprised (mildly) if Judge Strickland even grants the Motion.

[cuddlyrunner]

here it is...Liar liar pants on firah! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZvEhnzlobA


First time I've seen this clip- I miss so much over here! My goodness-how deluded is she???

[Tia]

First time I've seen this clip- I miss so much over here! My goodness-how deluded is she???

I never saw it either!

I love the part where she said Casey was giving her "clues" as to where Caylee is:lol:

[bluwaters]

I think all they will argue against is the EX PARTE Hearing. THAT is a real kick in the teeth, and frankly, I'd be surprised (mildly) if Judge Strickland even grants the Motion.
It is such an unusual request that it must be very serious.
I think that Judge S will grant it.
If he does, and then decides that can be disclosed, the def will be informed.

I can't recall, darn that CRS, but was the pros present when Baez had his confidential meeting with Judge S and disclosed his source of income on this case?

Oh,oh - what if he lied to the judge?

Really and truly - JMHO - nothing more - move along...

[SandyO]

First time I've seen this clip- I miss so much over here! My goodness-how deluded is she???

It's a really old clip, Cuddly, but nothing much has changed with Cindy.

[TisMeAgain]

First time I've seen this clip- I miss so much over here! My goodness-how deluded is she???

I seen it for the first time yesterday...I have no idea how I missed it as well. IMO, she knew Caylee was dead.

[Lavenia]

Anyone know how long D. Casey has been "relocating"?

http://dgator.com/contactus.aspx

"To better serve our Client's D&A is currently relocating its office. Our Telephone/Fax services are being transferred/changed they will be down during this period, please use email or our temporary number, we apologize for any inconvenience . . .!"

[SandyO]

It is such an unusual request that it must be very serious.
I think that Judge S will grant it.
If he does, and then decides that can be disclosed, the def will be informed.

Honestly, it really is a VERY unusual request ---- almost unheard of. Your suggestions sound reasonable, and hopefully that's the way it will be handled.

[TisMeAgain]

I never saw it either!

I love the part where she said Casey was giving her "clues" as to where Caylee is:lol:

Also the part where she says "I talked to Casey everyday" then why did she write that on her my space page?

[Lavenia]

Cindy in particular did everything in her power to direct the investigation away from seaching for Caylee's body.
In that early LE interview, the one that she was unhappy about swearing to at the end, she asked Yuri if LE was looking for an "alive" Caylee and not Caylee's body.
According to Cindy,Caylee was sighted in Texas, Georgia, Puerto Rico, Orlando's Florida Mall, and LE was negligent in not following up on those tips.
Her claim that Tim Miller had misrepresented himself and had told her that TES would only search for an "alive" Caylee.
Her public request to potential TES volunteers to not take part in the search.

Oh,oh - what about the Milsteads?
They seem to have gone underground.

What about illegal handling of donations?

My overactive imagination can go on and on...

JMHO, of course...


BBM. Hmmm, another possibility...

[really3997]

Anyone know how long D. Casey has been "relocating"?

http://dgator.com/contactus.aspx

"To better serve our Client's D&A is currently relocating its office. Our Telephone/Fax services are being transferred/changed they will be down during this period, please use email or our temporary number, we apologize for any inconvenience . . .!"

oh I was on there just a few weeks ago and it was ok...

[TisMeAgain]

Anyone know how long D. Casey has been "relocating"?

http://dgator.com/contactus.aspx

"To better serve our Client's D&A is currently relocating its office. Our Telephone/Fax services are being transferred/changed they will be down during this period, please use email or our temporary number, we apologize for any inconvenience . . .!"

Woah! Goog catch Lav! :thumbsup:

[cuddlyrunner]

I was just watching this on youtube and it made me get choked up-within 24 hours this little life was over :-(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T613YgLw_HE&feature=related


can someone give me the link to the jailhouse video where Casey got annoyed please?

[Lavenia]

Casey news breaking on IS, right now.

[really3997]

Casey news breaking on IS, right now.

please report can't get that at work

[Lavenia]

oh I was on there just a few weeks ago and it was ok...

I wonder if that number works? I bet it's his personal cell.

[cuddlyrunner]

what what?????

[Lavenia]

please report can't get that at work

Ahh, just about the proposed trial schedule of May 2, 2011. :thumbdown:

[really3997]

I wonder if that number works? I bet it's his personal cell.

soooo we are thinking more like this is the reason for all the hush hush:unsure:

[marinewife5]

what what?????

they were announcing the proposed trial date of May 2, 2011

[kakax]

Good morning. Didn't mean to yell that loud LOL. While I do think that George knows a whole lot more than he is saying, I don't think he will ever do the right thing. That would require strength of character, of which he possesses none.

JMO

It's ok...it woke me up!! I need it. And I completely agree with you!

[really3997]

Ahh, just about the proposed trial schedule of May 2, 2011. :thumbdown:

their bombshells are more like bumshells.:angry:

[kakax]

Tim Miller's Wife, Georgeann, diagnosed with bone cancer


Please keep the Miller's in your prayers..

http://texasequusearch.org/

Oh man. Prayers for the Miller family.:crying:

[kakax]

What about the DNA that was collected from out new Felon Casey could that have triggered something. Could Casey have contacted someone via Jose mail service...or sent something out without Jose's knowledged....


Didn't think about that! Although didn't they collect Casey's dna earlier?

[Lavenia]

soooo we are thinking more like this is the reason for all the hush hush:unsure:

I'm really wondering...

I lost the email addy I had for Cindy that was associated with D.Casey. Anyone else have it? Anakerie? I would like to see if it bounces back now.

[BettyC]

Anyone know how long D. Casey has been "relocating"?

http://dgator.com/contactus.aspx

"To better serve our Client's D&A is currently relocating its office. Our Telephone/Fax services are being transferred/changed they will be down during this period, please use email or our temporary number, we apologize for any inconvenience . . .!"

I can't give you a date, but I saw that notice quite a while ago.

[marinewife5]

their bombshells are more like bumshells.:angry:

they seem to be a day late and a dollar short.

well, no one responded to my other post and i've been here a full three minutes, so i'll go back to lurking. :tonguewag:

j/k....gotta go be a grown up. will check back later for any more breaking developments!

jmo

[BettyC]

I'm really wondering...

I lost the email addy I had for Cindy that was associated with D.Casey. Anyone else have it? Anakerie? I would like to see if it bounces back now.

something like Cindy@dgator.com ?

[Lavenia]

something like Cindy@dgator.com ?

I think that's it! Let me see what I get.

[caphill]

I think all they will argue against is the EX PARTE Hearing. THAT is a real kick in the teeth, and frankly, I'd be surprised (mildly) if Judge Strickland even grants the Motion.

ITA. I am placing my bet for new evidence as the FBI latent fingerprints that were discussed in the check fraud hearing. What was always a question for me was the foreign DNA on the duct tape. What was the source of the DNA? We were informed the lab tech had in someway mishanded the tape and her DNA was on the tape. The second foreign DNA could have come from a finger print. Since the FBA determined the foreign DNA was not Casey's the LE may have not requested the FBI to do a written report or a fingerprint database search. If so, they would not have had the fingerprint reort in their possesion.

If I am correct, the prosecution knows it just a matter of time until the defense would get their hands on the info on the latent prints. Maybe the LE has been prodded into getting the FBI to report on the prints and they are not Casey's or any other close associate of Casey's. Could be the prosecution would like to keep this info under wraps until they can fully investigate these prints and the source of the prints.

[really3997]

I think that's it! Let me see what I get.

should be wait the full 31 days or go earlier

[Lavenia]

should be wait the full 31 days or go earlier

Pretend it's been 31 days. :wink:

[bluwaters]

I wonder how long it will take Judge S to answer the pros motion? :confused:

[really3997]

ITA. I am placing my bet for new evidence as the FBI latent fingerprints that were discussed in the check fraud hearing. What was always a question for me was the foreign DNA on the duct tape. What was the source of the DNA? We were informed the lab tech had in someway mishanded the tape and her DNA was on the tape. The second foreign DNA could have come from a finger print. Since the FBA determined the foreign DNA was not Casey's the LE may have not requested the FBI to do a written report or a fingerprint database search. If so, they would not have had the fingerprint reort in their possesion.

If I am correct, the prosecution knows it just a matter of time until the defense would get their hands on the info on the latent prints. Maybe the LE has been prodded into getting the FBI to report on the prints and they are not Casey's or any other close associate of Casey's. Could be the prosecution would like to keep this info under wraps until they can fully investigate these prints and the source of the prints.

See thats what I was hoping was not the case yesterday as I was reporting the news. "my concern" :angry:

[Lavenia]

ITA. I am placing my bet for new evidence as the FBI latent fingerprints that were discussed in the check fraud hearing. What was always a question for me was the foreign DNA on the duct tape. What was the source of the DNA? We were informed the lab tech had in someway mishanded the tape and her DNA was on the tape. The second foreign DNA could have come from a finger print. Since the FBA determined the foreign DNA was not Casey's the LE may have not requested the FBI to do a written report or a fingerprint database search. If so, they would not have had the fingerprint reort in their possesion.

If I am correct, the prosecution knows it just a matter of time until the defense would get their hands on the info on the latent prints. Maybe the LE has been prodded into getting the FBI to report on the prints and they are not Casey's or any other close associate of Casey's. Could be the prosecution would like to keep this info under wraps until they can fully investigate these prints and the source of the prints.

If it's something like that Cap, why would the pros. be leery of the defense bullying a LE source?

[oswald]

I posted this to the other thread, didn't know a new one was started - sorry:

Any more analysis anywhere on this latest development?

Could be Lee - he has been absent and it's noticeable

Could be DC - as he was supposed to be depoed and as puzzler says above the defense wasn't invited

Could be a friend who knew something and came forward

Could be a person already on the witness list who has been harrassed by the defense - aka Amy, Jesse, TonE - the defense has been trying to get phone records and other information that is out of the scope of the timeline

Or it's something to make the defense quake in thier boots without them knowing - and with really no defense maybe Casey will end up taking a plea deal

Just a few ideas

[Lavenia]

I can't give you a date, but I saw that notice quite a while ago.

I notice he's even left his P.O. Box blank...

[bluwaters]

ITA. I am placing my bet for new evidence as the FBI latent fingerprints that were discussed in the check fraud hearing. What was always a question for me was the foreign DNA on the duct tape. What was the source of the DNA? We were informed the lab tech had in someway mishanded the tape and her DNA was on the tape. The second foreign DNA could have come from a finger print. Since the FBA determined the foreign DNA was not Casey's the LE may have not requested the FBI to do a written report or a fingerprint database search. If so, they would not have had the fingerprint reort in their possesion.

If I am correct, the prosecution knows it just a matter of time until the defense would get their hands on the info on the latent prints. Maybe the LE has been prodded into getting the FBI to report on the prints and they are not Casey's or any other close associate of Casey's. Could be the prosecution would like to keep this info under wraps until they can fully investigate these prints and the source of the prints.
And - Ashton mentioned latent fingerprints when Baez was complaining that the pros was withholding discovery...

[bluwaters]

IS reporting the Judge S has not signed the order setting the trail date on May 2, 2011.

[oswald]

If it's something like that Cap, why would the pros. be leery of the defense bullying a LE source?

Wouldn't that be something on the lines of railroading someone? I think if the state had evidence it was someone else, they would - as wrong as Casey is in actions, lying, theiving, etc. IF she didn't murder Caylee the state would be the first to get the person who did

I really feel it has to do with someone coming forward - and with the way the defense has been acting trying to get information that has nothing to do with the timeline

[LadyHam]

Tim Miller's Wife, Georgeann, diagnosed with bone cancer


Please keep the Miller's in your prayers..

http://texasequusearch.org/

Oh, that's so sad. They will be in my thoughts and prayers. TM certainly does not need all the extra heartache that he has gotten since he's been involved in this whole mess of the Casey Anthony case.

[caphill]

If it's something like that Cap, why would the pros. be leery of the defense bullying a LE source?

Was that a quote from the prosecution? Or was that just a speculation from someone trying to understand why the prosecution wants the in camera ex parte hearing?

[kakax]

Yeah well I am up for the challange to make sure that doesn't happen. I think we will all still be blogging for that reason alone.:cool:

Well you better be! You have work to do princess!:sneaky: rofl

[really3997]

Well you better be! You have work to do princess!:sneaky: rofl

:cuss::cuss:

[SandyO]

ITA. I am placing my bet for new evidence as the FBI latent fingerprints that were discussed in the check fraud hearing. What was always a question for me was the foreign DNA on the duct tape. What was the source of the DNA? We were informed the lab tech had in someway mishanded the tape and her DNA was on the tape. The second foreign DNA could have come from a finger print. Since the FBA determined the foreign DNA was not Casey's the LE may have not requested the FBI to do a written report or a fingerprint database search. If so, they would not have had the fingerprint reort in their possesion.

If I am correct, the prosecution knows it just a matter of time until the defense would get their hands on the info on the latent prints. Maybe the LE has been prodded into getting the FBI to report on the prints and they are not Casey's or any other close associate of Casey's. Could be the prosecution would like to keep this info under wraps until they can fully investigate these prints and the source of the prints.


Oh Lord, I hope it's not that, but just like everything else we've discussed, it's a possibility. I can think of about a hundred things I'd rather have it be.

[Lavenia]

Was that a quote from the prosecution? Or was that just a speculation from someone trying to understand why the prosecution wants the in camera ex parte hearing?

Well, heck. Let me check. :unsure:

[LadyHam]

"Casey who?" is fine by me, so long as it never is "Caylee who?". MUO

I agree w/you. The evidence in this case is both overwhelming and despicable. Even if people forget the whole Casey case, they will then be completely and totally shocked and outraged once reminded of some of the facts of the case: 31 days w/out reporting her daughter missing, the lies, the 31 days of partying, the tattoo. Sometimes I think it is almost better for people to forget the horrific details of this case because after a while people may become immune to them.

[BettyC]

Was that a quote from the prosecution? Or was that just a speculation from someone trying to understand why the prosecution wants the in camera ex parte hearing?

That was one of Richard Hornsby's speculations.

[BettyC]

IS reporting the Judge S has not signed the order setting the trail date on May 2, 2011.

That's right and until I see it on myorangeclerk, I'm going to hold out hope that it's not set in stone.

[bluwaters]

Orlando Sentinel:
Casey Anthony murder trial could start in May 2011 (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-date-20100204,0,917467.story)

[Lavenia]

Was that a quote from the prosecution? Or was that just a speculation from someone trying to understand why the prosecution wants the in camera ex parte hearing?

You're right Cap This is what the motion states in part: "There is good cause to delay disclosure of these materials and information," the one-page motion states." I think a legal talking head is where I got my idea, now that you bring it up. Sorry if I mislead anyone.

[cuddlyrunner]

I'm on a youtube fest-listening to the tapes after Universal studios where Casey says not everything she says is a lie and then goes onto say several times she does not know where Caylee is right now, I'm swaying more to to someone helping dispose of her body.

[sydney]

I'm on a youtube fest-listening to the tapes after Universal studios where Casey says not everything she says is a lie and then goes onto say several times she does not know where Caylee is right now, I'm swaying more to to someone helping dispose of her body.

i'm leaning more towards cindy in light of the "looking under the playhouse" thing and explaining caylee's scent could have been the result of her peeing in the back yard.

[Dtviewer3]

ITA. I am placing my bet for new evidence as the FBI latent fingerprints that were discussed in the check fraud hearing. What was always a question for me was the foreign DNA on the duct tape. What was the source of the DNA? We were informed the lab tech had in someway mishanded the tape and her DNA was on the tape. The second foreign DNA could have come from a finger print. Since the FBA determined the foreign DNA was not Casey's the LE may have not requested the FBI to do a written report or a fingerprint database search. If so, they would not have had the fingerprint reort in their possesion.

If I am correct, the prosecution knows it just a matter of time until the defense would get their hands on the info on the latent prints. Maybe the LE has been prodded into getting the FBI to report on the prints and they are not Casey's or any other close associate of Casey's. Could be the prosecution would like to keep this info under wraps until they can fully investigate these prints and the source of the prints.


There was only DNA found from the lab tech. The media 'misspoke' about there being 'second, unidentified' DNA.
All the dna found has been accounted for. It was only the one sample, from the lab tech.

[cassidy]

IS reporting the Judge S has not signed the order setting the trail date on May 2, 2011.

Maybe he thinks it's a typo and it's really May 2, 2010 :wink:

[oswald]

I'm on a youtube fest-listening to the tapes after Universal studios where Casey says not everything she says is a lie and then goes onto say several times she does not know where Caylee is right now, I'm swaying more to to someone helping dispose of her body.

But with DP on the table - Casey can get the needle and she knows that - why would she not say who disposed of the body if that were the case? I seriously doubt Casey would not tell LE someone else disposed of the body, to keep DP off the table - Casey would save Casey

this is why I think she did everything on her own but someone knew about it - I'm thinking DCasey or Lee - they are both very noticeable absent and both were digging in their heels to get total immunity

If it were Lee, then we all know that the A's would disown him completely - so he has to be careful about it

DCasey, all he would do is lose his license in FL - he can get work elsewhere

Just a thought

[caphill]

And - Ashton mentioned latent fingerprints when Baez was complaining that the pros was withholding discovery...

Yes, it was Ashton that first mentioned the latent prints. He also let it be known that there was some info from FBI that was not in his possession. At that time it seemed Ashton was leaving the burden of getting the FBI reports to the defense. There are legal hurdles the defense would face to be able to obtain these reports directly from the FBI.

The LE requested the lab work from the FBI and the obligation of the FBI for release of the their reports/files is only to the LE. LE could requested all analysis of evidence from FBI and it would be released to them pronto. I believe LE knew from verbal communication the latent prints were not Casey's and therefore, did not want the written report from FBI.

I can't recall from the FBI report that was released if there was any mention of any latent fingerprints that may have triggered the defense into knowing there were latents but no analysis of the prints.

[Ladygator]

I'm on a youtube fest-listening to the tapes after Universal studios where Casey says not everything she says is a lie and then goes onto say several times she does not know where Caylee is right now, I'm swaying more to to someone helping dispose of her body.

It's a play on words, IMO.

She knows who the last person was she seen with her Daughter.

LE tells her she knows where her Daughter is.

No, she tells them, she doesn't. She doesn't know, right now, where Zanny took Caylee. I mean, the girls been all over town, Blockbuster, Fusion, tat parlor, and she hasn't been able to find her.

That's something at that moment, LE couldn't prove she was lying about. Like they cornered her on her lies about her job, and the vacant apartment.

[SandyO]

There was only DNA found from the lab tech. The media 'misspoke' about there being 'second, unidentified' DNA.
All the dna found has been accounted for. It was only the one sample, from the lab tech.

THANK YOU, Dtviewer! I was feeling a little sick there for a minute.

[SandyO]

Maybe he thinks it's a typo and it's really May 2, 2010 :wink:

Now that would really be NICE, but 'fraid not.

[caphill]

There was only DNA found from the lab tech. The media 'misspoke' about there being 'second, unidentified' DNA.
All the dna found has been accounted for. It was only the one sample, from the lab tech.


IIRC, my source of information about the secord foreign DNA was directly from the FBI report that was released in one of the document dumps.

There was enough of the foreign DNA to determine it was not Casey's. The DNA specimen from the lab tech was clearly identified, therefore, not considered foreign.

Maybe someone wants to do a quick review of the FBI report to check my memory.

[Dtviewer3]

THANK YOU, Dtviewer! I was feeling a little sick there for a minute.

Sadly there is ZERO chance that any DNA found with the remains would be from whoever dumped Caylee there.
Between the storms and animal and bug activity, no DNA would be recoverable.

[Darcy]

ITA. I am placing my bet for new evidence as the FBI latent fingerprints that were discussed in the check fraud hearing. What was always a question for me was the foreign DNA on the duct tape. What was the source of the DNA? We were informed the lab tech had in someway mishanded the tape and her DNA was on the tape. The second foreign DNA could have come from a finger print. Since the FBA determined the foreign DNA was not Casey's the LE may have not requested the FBI to do a written report or a fingerprint database search. If so, they would not have had the fingerprint reort in their possesion.

If I am correct, the prosecution knows it just a matter of time until the defense would get their hands on the info on the latent prints. Maybe the LE has been prodded into getting the FBI to report on the prints and they are not Casey's or any other close associate of Casey's. Could be the prosecution would like to keep this info under wraps until they can fully investigate these prints and the source of the prints.



caphill,
I also think that the new evidence is related to the tape and fingerprints. Apart from evidence of Casey's latent prints, the horrible thought I had was, that Caylee's prints might be on the tape. If she struggled while the tape was being applied. They have her DNA but would they necessarily have her finger prints? Would they be able to retrieve them from a toy or something that Caylee touched like a DVD cover or a sippy cup? The mystery of Caylee's last hours is too horrendous to imagine. George and Cindy don't seem to have any questions or concerns regarding how Caylee spent her final hours. I find that strangely very sad. It would torment me every day to wonder how, why and what terrible fear Caylee suffered at her mothers hand.

[Dtviewer3]

IIRC, my source of information about the secord foreign DNA was directly from the FBI report that was released in one of the document dumps.

There was enough of the foreign DNA to determine it was not Casey's. The DNA specimen from the lab tech was clearly identified, therefore, not considered foreign.

Maybe someone wants to do a quick review of the FBI report to check my memory.


Not correct.
Go back and read the report. It is worded in a way that first glance would lead some to believe that. But go back and carefully follow the specimen numbers and what is said and you will see it was one sample, and it was determined to come from the lab tech.

[trich]

I never saw it either!

I love the part where she said Casey was giving her "clues" as to where Caylee is:lol:

What did she think it was a "treasure hunt" where you follow the clues
to the treasure.
Give me a break......when your child is "missing" you don't leave clues to where she is you tell someone where she is and to go get her.
That is how things are done in real life.:mad:

[bluwaters]

i'm leaning more towards cindy in light of the "looking under the playhouse" thing and explaining caylee's scent could have been the result of her peeing in the back yard.
Do you mean the cadaver dogs?
It is my understanding that cadaver dogs do not hit on urine or sweat.

[puzzler]

Yes, it was Ashton that first mentioned the latent prints. He also let it be known that there was some info from FBI that was not in his possession. At that time it seemed Ashton was leaving the burden of getting the FBI reports to the defense. There are legal hurdles the defense would face to be able to obtain these reports directly from the FBI.

The LE requested the lab work from the FBI and the obligation of the FBI for release of the their reports/files is only to the LE. LE could requested all analysis of evidence from FBI and it would be released to them pronto. I believe LE knew from verbal communication the latent prints were not Casey's and therefore, did not want the written report from FBI.

I can't recall from the FBI report that was released if there was any mention of any latent fingerprints that may have triggered the defense into knowing there were latents but no analysis of the prints.

I really don't think this is about any fingerprints.

If you read the Florida law posted upthread about what COULD be legally withheld, I don't think fingerprint evidence would fit.

JMO

ETA Of course, I am no lawyer and very well could be wrong about this.

[minimarshm]

There was only DNA found from the lab tech. The media 'misspoke' about there being 'second, unidentified' DNA.
All the dna found has been accounted for. It was only the one sample, from the lab tech.

what I got from the results was there was DNA that was too degraded to be proven from Casey. It didn't include or exclude her, it just wasn't good enough to be properly tested.

[Sun]

I'm wondering how the defense and those on the side of the defense are feeling today, after reading the news about this latest Motion by the State?

Motion for In Camera Ex Parte Hearing
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/020310%20Casey%20Case%20Motion%20For%20Incamera%20 Ex%20Parte%20Hearing.pdf

[sydney]

Do you mean the cadaver dogs?
It is my understanding that cadaver dogs do not hit on urine or sweat.

that was my understanding, too

[sydney]

What did she think it was a "treasure hunt" where you follow the clues
to the treasure.
Give me a break......when your child is "missing" you don't leave clues to where she is you tell someone where she is and to go get her.
That is how things are done in real life.:mad:

besides that, if kc had originally said she didn't know where caylee was (right now), why didn't she continue to maintain that, instead of giving "clues" and indicating that she did, indeed, know where caylee was at.....

[Sun]

http://www.wesh.com/index.html

Here is the link for Wesh you can see the 12:00 news streamed live.

It's almost time for the Live at Noon WESH streamed live on the internet. Who is going to watch and report back here?

[kakax]

There was only DNA found from the lab tech. The media 'misspoke' about there being 'second, unidentified' DNA.
All the dna found has been accounted for. It was only the one sample, from the lab tech.

Well hello stranger!!!

Was just getting ready to address this one myself! The way I remember it, there were 2 samples but one didn't have enough in the sample to be tested but it was similar to the other dna.

I agree though, I don't think it has to do with DNA or fingerprints. These are all things that would have come back months ago. I believe it is something that has just come up.

Don't be a stranger any longer :smile:

[Scampi]

they seem to be a day late and a dollar short.

well, no one responded to my other post and i've been here a full three minutes, so i'll go back to lurking. :tonguewag:

j/k....gotta go be a grown up. will check back later for any more breaking developments!

jmo

:lol: I love you, Marine!!!!



Odd that Mr. Hoover has completely gone off of the radar screen too. I wonder if Dominic Casey's information, now jives with what Hoover told the FBI?

[5swab5]

caphill,
I also think that the new evidence is related to the tape and fingerprints. Apart from evidence of Casey's latent prints, the horrible thought I had was, that Caylee's prints might be on the tape. If she struggled while the tape was being applied. They have her DNA but would they necessarily have her finger prints? Would they be able to retrieve them from a toy or something that Caylee touched like a DVD cover or a sippy cup? The mystery of Caylee's last hours is too horrendous to imagine. George and Cindy don't seem to have any questions or concerns regarding how Caylee spent her final hours. I find that strangely very sad. It would torment me every day to wonder how, why and what terrible fear Caylee suffered at her mothers hand.

The State shouldn't have any trouble getting Caylee's fingerprints....IF Cindy told the truth in that TV interview. The one where she showed the death certificate. She showed the mirror in Caylee's room and said she hadn't cleaned it, because it had her fingerprints all over it. MOO

[Scampi]

Do you mean the cadaver dogs?
It is my understanding that cadaver dogs do not hit on urine or sweat.


Remember that LE took many soil samples from these areas and I do not believe we have all those results back. If they find the presence of cadaverine and putrecine in the soil, in high ratios, that rules out urine and sweat, imo.

[bluwaters]

that was my understanding, too
Oh, ok - I follow you now, I think.
Are you saying that the states new info is regarding the cadaver dogs' hit in the A's backyard?
If so, then Cindy was deliberately misleading LE?
She also said that the dogs could have hit on GA's sweat.

Do you think that there may now be proof that Caylee's body was in the backyard at one time?

One thing that keeps bothering me is that both Cindy and George, while insisting that Caylee was alive, kept saying that she had been moved several times.

I don't believe that she was placed where she was found after Casey was in jail.
I believe the UF experts findings that she had been there for months.
However, I think it is possible that Caylee was moved at least once after her death.

How else to explain the cadaver dogs' hits in the A's backyard? :confused:

[Dtviewer3]

Well hello stranger!!!

Was just getting ready to address this one myself! The way I remember it, there were 2 samples but one didn't have enough in the sample to be tested but it was similar to the other dna.

I agree though, I don't think it has to do with DNA or fingerprints. These are all things that would have come back months ago. I believe it is something that has just come up.

Don't be a stranger any longer :smile:


I dont believe that to be the case. I think there was one sample, but the confusing way the summary was written made it sound like there were 2. (but I havent read it in a long time....doing this from memory)
If someone could post a link to the report we could go through it.

[cassidy]

It's almost time for the Live at Noon WESH streamed live on the internet. Who is going to watch and report back here?

Just clicked it on. Ironically the ad is for Amscot.

[puzzler]

Remember that LE took many soil samples from these areas and I do not believe we have all those results back. If they find the presence of cadaverine and putrecine in the soil, in high ratios, that rules out urine and sweat, imo.

It was Cindy that tried to say that urine and sweat could cause the dogs to hit as if it was decomp. An expert on tv told her "no way", and of course she argued with him. LOL Cindy is, after all, a nurse of decomposition.:laugh:

The soil samples coming back showing decomp would not be something they would want to withhold, would it? :confused:

[bluwaters]

besides that, if kc had originally said she didn't know where caylee was (right now), why didn't she continue to maintain that, instead of giving "clues" and indicating that she did, indeed, know where caylee was at.....

Cindy kept saying that Casey couldn't just blurt out where Caylee was or what had happened.
She said that like it was perfectly normal.
She could not understand why everyone kept asking questions about Casey.
It made her angry if anyone suggested that it would be easier to find Caylee if Casey would talk and cooperate with LE.
Why were people wasting valuable time picking on poor Casey when they could be looking for Caylee?!?

[puzzler]

I dont believe that to be the case. I think there was one sample, but the confusing way the summary was written made it sound like there were 2. (but I havent read it in a long time....doing this from memory)
If someone could post a link to the report we could go through it.

I am with Kakax on this one. There were two samples. One was very small and they could not identify it, but it was consistent with being the same lab tech that left the other sample. JMO

[Tia]

besides that, if kc had originally said she didn't know where caylee was (right now), why didn't she continue to maintain that, instead of giving "clues" and indicating that she did, indeed, know where caylee was at.....

Cindy hung them all with her giant mouth.

She was Casey's biggest downfall.

IMP

[cuddlyrunner]

Has anyone got a link for the jailhouse video where Casey gets angry?

[Dtviewer3]

I am with Kakax on this one. There were two samples. One was very small and they could not identify it, but it was consistent with being the same lab tech that left the other sample. JMO

I still believe there was one. :tongueside:

Like I said, we'll have to go through the report again.

[Dtviewer3]

Has anyone got a link for the jailhouse video where Casey gets angry?


Which one? :biggrin:
Fisties?
Mad because 'all anyone cares about is Caylee'?
'Big waste'?
'I just want Tone's number'?

(Too be fair some of those were from the same video)

[Lavenia]

Just clicked it on. Ironically the ad is for Amscot.
I can't get it to play. :confused:

[caphill]

caphill,
I also think that the new evidence is related to the tape and fingerprints. Apart from evidence of Casey's latent prints, the horrible thought I had was, that Caylee's prints might be on the tape. If she struggled while the tape was being applied. They have her DNA but would they necessarily have her finger prints? Would they be able to retrieve them from a toy or something that Caylee touched like a DVD cover or a sippy cup? The mystery of Caylee's last hours is too horrendous to imagine. George and Cindy don't seem to have any questions or concerns regarding how Caylee spent her final hours. I find that strangely very sad. It would torment me every day to wonder how, why and what terrible fear Caylee suffered at her mothers hand.


If Caylee's fingerprints were found on the tape it could indicate she was possibily alive when the tape was applied. I was surprised there was not Caylee's DNA on the stickly side of the tape that placed over her face.

Either way, any of Caylee's DNA or fingerprints on the tape or bags that surrounded her would not give a clue to who handled the materials. Any foreign or indentified DNA or fingerprints on these materials has huge evidentiary value.

If there were latent prints from Casey and/or family there would be no reason for the prosecution to be asking for an in camera ex parte hearing on the material and would need no further investigation of the prints. IMO

[cuddlyrunner]

All of those please :-)

[cassidy]

I can't get it to play. :confused:

I've got it but so far nothing on this case?

[Lavenia]

Has anyone got a link for the jailhouse video where Casey gets angry?

The one where she gets frushtrated? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li4MCED--no

[Scampi]

It was Cindy that tried to say that urine and sweat could cause the dogs to hit as if it was decomp. An expert on tv told her "no way", and of course she argued with him. LOL Cindy is, after all, a nurse of decomposition.:laugh:

The soil samples coming back showing decomp would not be something they would want to withhold, would it? :confused:

I don't know Puzzler. Remember, all the while the anthonys are trying to prove the cadaver dog hits incredible, they themselves searched for Caylee UNDER the playhouse and in the sheds. Why?

I can't wait for them to be asked this question under oath during the trial.

[Dtviewer3]

If you believe the prosecution is attempting to hold back evidence of Casey's innocence... you're going to be sadly mistaken.
Why?

Because there is no evidence of Casey's innocence.

What the prosecution is doing here has nothing to do with an innocent Casey.

I personally guarantee it. :)

Agreed.

But if you notice that poster is so anti - LE in every case and every post she writes that she always insinuates LE is wrong/lying/holding back/mishandling/nefarious/crooked/etc etc.

[bluwaters]

I have WESH live stream...
Stories so far:

Misty Croslin
Toyota recall
weather
shooting of convenience store clerk
OC development plans, citizen's complaints.
murder by girlfriend
nun that kidnapped child
Haiti
shark attack
NASA
space shuttle launch
swearing in of MA senator
Tiger woods
Mel Gibson

Did I miss it? :confused:
It took me a couple of minutes to connect...

[puzzler]

Has anyone got a link for the jailhouse video where Casey gets angry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li4MCED--no

Here you go.:biggrin:

[cassidy]

I have WESH live stream...
Stories so far:

Misty Croslin
Toyota recall
weather
shooting of convenience store clerk
OC development plans, citizen's complaints.
murder by girlfriend
nun that kidnapped child
Haiti
shark attack
NASA
space shuttle launch
swearing in of MA senator
Tiger woods
Mel Gibson

Did I miss it? :confused:
It took me a couple of minutes to connect...

If you missed it I did too. That's what I saw.

[cuddlyrunner]

thanks for links

[Dtviewer3]

If Caylee's fingerprints were found on the tape it could indicate she was possibily alive when the tape was applied. I was surprised there was not Caylee's DNA on the stickly side of the tape that placed over her face.

Either way, any of Caylee's DNA or fingerprints on the tape or bags that surrounded her would not give a clue to who handled the materials. Any foreign or indentified DNA or fingerprints on these materials has huge evidentiary value.

If there were latent prints from Casey and/or family there would be no reason for the prosecution to be asking for an in camera ex parte hearing on the material and would need no further investigation of the prints. IMO


Do we even know what the hearing is about yet?

[Lavenia]

thanks for links

While you're on a YouTube marathon, you might search out Joy Wray's video titled "Off her rocker" (or something similar). I can't link it here due to the language but it's interesting to see what kind of peeps the defense has in their arsenal.:scared:

[TBO]

Just clicked it on. Ironically the ad is for Amscot.

now there doing weather, how depressing.,...it's freezing here in CT and there talking about FL being muggy!!:crying:

[kakax]

IIRC, my source of information about the secord foreign DNA was directly from the FBI report that was released in one of the document dumps.

There was enough of the foreign DNA to determine it was not Casey's. The DNA specimen from the lab tech was clearly identified, therefore, not considered foreign.

Maybe someone wants to do a quick review of the FBI report to check my memory.

Just one other point. We keep saying it was a lab tech...but wasn't actually a field FBI worker? Or am I completely mistaken? IIRC, they ruled out all lab techs and ended up having to get dna from all the people on scene.

[bluwaters]

Do we even know what the hearing is about yet?
NO - no one knows - that's the whole point - and it's driving us crazy...

[Scampi]

Do we even know what the hearing is about yet?

It's about NEW DISCOVERABLE information and evidence, that LE has come upon, that the prosecution wants kept from the defense.

We do not know why they want the info kept out of baez's hands, there's the mystery.

[kakax]

I dont believe that to be the case. I think there was one sample, but the confusing way the summary was written made it sound like there were 2. (but I havent read it in a long time....doing this from memory)
If someone could post a link to the report we could go through it.

I don't know if anyone has found it...had to run out for a few, but I'll look. Either way, I really think it has nothing to do with this. This has been known information for a long time.

[cassidy]

now there doing weather, how depressing.,...it's freezing here in CT and there talking about FL being muggy!!:crying:

On to the Olympics. Ummmm..REALLY???????????????? Where'd you get your info? Nothing on Casey.

[bluwaters]

It's about NEW DISCOVERABLE information and evidence, that LE has come upon, that the prosecution wants kept from the defense.

We do not know why they want the info kept out of baez's hands, there's the mystery.

Thanks Scampi-
Much better answer than mine - LOL!

[cuddlyrunner]

It's about NEW DISCOVERABLE information and evidence, that LE has come upon, that the prosecution wants kept from the defense.

We do not know why they want the info kept out of baez's hands, there's the mystery.

I want to know why Baez hasn't made a statement yet! Has LKB forbidden him to speak?

[puzzler]

I don't know Puzzler. Remember, all the while the anthonys are trying to prove the cadaver dog hits incredible, they themselves searched for Caylee UNDER the playhouse and in the sheds. Why?

I can't wait for them to be asked this question under oath during the trial.

I can't wait, either, but looks like we may have to wait quite a while.:cursing:

Yeah, as usual, Cindy was spinning her "Caylee is alive and my daughter is innocent" and sweat and urine causes dogs to alert to decomp (and in the next breath, "but one dog hit inconsistently and the other dog didn't hit at all").

I would like to know what prompted Cindy and George to search the back yard? Was there a place that Casey had tried to start digging a grave and figured out it was too hard to do?

Too bad that Cindy (and the rest of the family) decided to lie, lie, lie. I am pretty sure we would have already seen Casey tried and convicted if not for all of the A's lies. Funny thing is, in the long run, those lies will HELP CONVICT CASEY. IMO

[TBO]

On to the Olympics. Ummmm..REALLY???????????????? Where'd you get your info? Nothing on Casey.

my info?:scared:

[bluwaters]

Still nothing on WESH -
I can't believe it!
They are the ones that broke the story yesterday...:confused:

[kakax]

If you believe the prosecution is attempting to hold back evidence of Casey's innocence... you're going to be sadly mistaken.

Why?

Because there is no evidence of Casey's innocence.

What the prosecution is doing here has nothing to do with an innocent Casey.

I personally guarantee it. :)

I will gladly guarantee it too. If it could exonerate her, the prosecution wouldn't even ask the judge to withhold it from the defense. Just isn't done. MOO, MVHO, IMO, all that stuff!

[Scampi]

Thanks Scampi-
Much better answer than mine - LOL!

I liked yours Blu!! What's interesting to me in the State's motion, is that they admit that this new stuff is DISCOVERABLE, in other words that the defense is entitled to it. Then, they go on to say there is a critical reason they feel the defense should not get the new stuff.

This is rare, imo, and allowed by law only in limited situations. One being an ongoing investigation.

[Bala]

I don't think that it's physical evidence the State wants to withhold. I think it's more likely someone coming forward with new evidence and maybe trying to make a deal to protect themselves from prosecution.

[bluwaters]

I can't wait, either, but looks like we may have to wait quite a while.:cursing:

Yeah, as usual, Cindy was spinning her "Caylee is alive and my daughter is innocent" and sweat and urine causes dogs to alert to decomp (and in the next breath, "but one dog hit inconsistently and the other dog didn't hit at all".

I would like to know what prompted Cindy and George to search the back yard? Was there a place that Casey had tried to start digging a grave and figured out it was too hard to do?

Too bad that Cindy (and the rest of the family) decided to lie, lie, lie. I am pretty sure we would have already seen Casey tried and convicted if not for all of the A's lies. Funny thing is, in the long run, those lies will HELP CONVICT CASEY. IMO

BBM
Anthony speak - inconsistent hit :confused:
The operative word is hit.

Cindy kept saying that LE had totally cleared the yard -
LE had NOT cleared the yard, in fact they have doubts about it still,
AFAIK...

[puzzler]

BBM
Anthony speak - inconsistent hit :confused:
The operative work is hit.

Cindy kept saying that LE had totally cleared the yard -
LE had NOT cleared the yard, in fact they have doubts about it still,
AFAIK...

I am still amazed at the gall with which Cindy makes statements as facts, and will argue with experts and anyone else. She knows all and is smarter than everyone. NOT!:lol:

[bluwaters]

I liked yours Blu!! What's interesting to me in the State's motion, is that they admit that this new stuff is DISCOVERABLE, in other words that the defense is entitled to it. Then, they go on to say there is a critical reason they feel the defense should not get the new stuff.

This is rare, imo, and allowed by law only in limited situations. One being an ongoing investigation.
It sounds so contradictory.
Someone has been up to something...
Still no statement from Baez...
or the court... :unsure: